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Q. Good Morning
A. Good Morning
Q. I am de;lective Ibarra, I am the police detective. Sit down please; are you all right? Do you want a glass of water?
Q. Ok, lei me make mmm ... sit down here and ('ntake here on this.·~areful the foot.
A. Thank'You
Q. Do you want coffee? A gl~ss of wOter?·Do you wont something to eat? "
A. Thanks
Q. Coffee?
A. Yes thanks
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Q. With sugar?
A. Thank'yo,u . ,.
Q. Is ever;ything OK?
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Q. Does yC?ur foot Jiurt?
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A, What?
Q. Yes, elevate it
A. Il is like it is too tight and it is hurting more and more
Q. Ok., let me ... well sit down. Can you s~nd up? I'll grab your hand
Q. I am detective Ibarra. I work for the poli~e and tHey only asked me to talk to you about what happened
A. Let's see
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Q. How did get up to this point? Ok?
Q_ Before we start with this I need 10 get your lnfomlBtion, Ok? And then we Will continue
Q. Ok., what is your last name?
A. me, Jose
A. Rang~l
A. ATTez
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Q. Arrez? Howdo you spellh?
Q. Your Fathers
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A. That is Rangel
Q. Rangel and your mother's?
A. Arrez "
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Q. Arre2.? 9k and your name is Jose?
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A. When were you born Jose?· •
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A. The lOiI> of April 1975
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Q.757
A.mmm, Yes
A. I live in MichoacAn ,
Q. Michoacan, Ok
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A. And [don't know ~nybody here; I had nevercomeup here-ol' anything.. .
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Q. SO it is your firsHime here in Ihe U.nilcd.States. in Texas, in DaliasT ", .
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Q. What brought you over hct:C?
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Q. What bl~Ught'~Oll here? ;. ,
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,Q. ~'reiis;ration; a. a; voting ~a.l'd to v~te, a privers licen"se?
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A. Yes 1 lost it there
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Q, Do'¥ou know'la telephon~'numbe,r ofa fam'ily or sO,meMe, who \'{e can c,all to t~ll.them that you are a~i right?"
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A, I only had one Oflh1 fDtftiJ), that r have in Houston but tile wallet J had IIi:)' took. it in the. hospital and they did
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Q.,QIC, sO l~ t~e hospital they took the wallet? ';' "."
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Q. Ok, lo.ok Jose the reason we are doing an investigation for \~hat hE\ppe,ned,tbis morning and want to Ncriry some
things. Yo", ~ow thilt here'in the United States we'-have a p'rocess that we.follow ok, and 1 would like tp continue.~ot
talk a~oul wblit happened-and tr:y to figure out what exactly happened butTbifore we,stqrt to talk abo,at the" inCIdent
this afih•..There are some Fights that bas to be read;lfyou understand me: All(;f Pm gOing to dQ it right n,ow, while·to
start to'taJ~ ho\v did they com"e to ,hurt YQU this way?'
·lA. Uh·huh:
A. Yes
A. Of school? .
A. OillY'.\ike up to second
A, Ji.\St'll'1ittle
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A. Only my mother
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Q. Gil what?
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A . Oil Sanchez
A. Yes
Q. What other part of the United States do you have family?,
A. Well a daughter of his in Houston
A: Maria
A. Sanchez
Q. $anchez
A: Yes she is daug.hter 0(.•• Ihe olher last name I don'l know
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Q. When was the last time you saw her?
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A. mmm.•. II lot they came wh'en they were just little g.irls. and they haven't ever returned down there it's been many
years.
Q. When did you say caR'!c here?
Q. Three days?
A. About that
A. Yes
Q. who was with you? ..
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A, Other guys but th'cy where: fomt otht;:r parts I don't know where they ere froll).,lhey were, I don't know where
they were from. Veracruz, J don't know. - .
A. J don't nOl know th~!r names; we just gOI together at the river that's all.
A. Yes
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Q. And how did you gel to Dallas? Because it is alleast 8 to 10 hours
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A, Yes what happened thaI there from Laredo I came by asking for a ride (hitchhiked) and then I got 10 Houston and.
then from there J Cllmc with another man that J asked for a ride to come here.
Q. And whr didn't you stay in Houston ifyou have family there?
A. Wrn;t hapPens is that I didn't know where they are and for that reason 1didn't stay in Houston and I had the
ad.dress of's boy that told moe he was going to offer me a job and so
Q. Juan what?
A. Juan .•. what is his name? Juan.
Q. How long have you know him?
'A. I've know him for 0. while, he livedoin another pan, he lived far fron; my town and he, ..
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A. not right know it had been quite a while like somt six years, six or seven that I hadn', seen him
Q. And how did you get to communicate to each other? Ifit's been 6 to 7 ~ears how had "you co,mmunicate w~lh him'
to lell him you were going to be.here?
A. By telephone, he gave me the phone nu~ber
Q. Is it in the wallet?
Q. Yes?
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A. I believe so
Q. Ok, when crossed the river did you have a suitcase?
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A, A suitcase? J h~d a small bag bUI we left it on the Olher side. •
Q. SO thaI is the same clothes you had on when you crossed over here?
A. No it was some other when I crossed I had 51,800 pesos •
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Q. Mexicans?
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Q. American?
A. Yes and we change them with a guy on Ihis side and we.boughl some other clothes.
Q. Who was with you when you did that transaction?
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Q. Yes
A. l.wouldn't know how to tell you I don't know ~r9und here
Q. A wbat?
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Q. Around where were you a do you know. What part of the city' OfDalllls were you
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A," 1don't what happ~ns. weill don't. He told me I'll d~op.yoti orr and wh,?" I ,van'ted the address to speak with th~t
boy and then I did not have it, so that's why I·did not find him and that's why I w~ wondering around that way 10
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Q. And TaJk to me about what happened today, when you got there 3 days a~o ~here did you go? When the man left
you where did you go?
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A. Well I slept there close by in same apartments where there arc some cars and that way I get between them close
together and that's how I did it.
A. Oh, about this? What happens is that was walking like this around there close to the street where that happened
when lsaw lhe people.shooting there and then I feU and I got up and I walked away an~ then was when the police
saw me.
Q, Where did they hit you?
A, I was close to a J it'tle hill down thc're is wl!ere I was ~: ", ~ .'. , '
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Q. Ok, we~ you the only one walking around there?
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'A. Well po, I wnsn'f.sp close to's"ee:wha they wero shooting (Tlrando: CC?~ld mea'n throWing'or sh;otillg)' '. \
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A. No, well bullets they were l!ke bullets
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Q: en'theoStreet?Orwere you',i!l·the <\parttnimts?;C3n you say no area,patt of~e building?·
Q. Wcre-y.ou.,the pa~king ,lot of~'building? bn't~e street? ,In 'a par~ing lQt of'a r~taurant? l~ a parking lot~ of? Were
OJ! t1~e ~ss? fn th'e parking lot Qf ~e apartments? Where were you?' _ .
A.''Mhat happe'n~d is-I- was on this siae looking in ~ ~tore and I c~me walking from this 'side and where they were·
shooting\was like. furthe~ ~p.
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Q. 0k this is tp:e restiu,Il1lQt that here in the.comer, tlds is the other building that fof, BlockbusfeLVideo and then here
afe SOme ap'artroentSJilld these,~eapartn'1ents too, bJ1t lJ~r~. bere;t1)ere is' aMexic~n res.ta~rant, yes ~o you' .
un"~~tancj'mC?; An th~n I~e're ~OiJ h~v'e' the renq,e'tQ enter the p',arld~g'lot.,and~her~ 'are,th-e,p,arking lots"where ,it like'
it'so~? AndJ~'~h ~ belje'le.her.e,thcy ~aye one'too.,~irelw.ere'.)'ou. wh.en·tl:ie,sh90ting happ,en~d? ,
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Q. HQ,yI} :y,ou.were·\;yslking h'ow?
Q:Whefe? Put an .X. You ~ere h~re? And-where wer:e the-y shooting
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Q. Let's see make's circle to indicate from where they were shooting. Circles.
A. Well somc, I really don't know many wert shooting, but you could hear ~he shots here in this area, so it must
Have been here in lhis pare.
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A. Like-about here
Q. Ok, how many people or many. did you.sec were there? Where were they?
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A. Well, I really didn't see them, they duck down close to the floor and I was walking and well the shots were here
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Q. What Truck?
A. I dorft know what kind, I don't rcmel1!ber it was c1osed'or pic" up what I saw.
Q. What color?
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Q. Ok;~ about 2-or 3 in the morning?,
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A. I came walking down this way. Ihis is ont that is towards Ihis way •
Q. Il's Davis street.
A. Uh·huh. 1came walking ,on this side ofthatsueet, then I look the streellowards this way.
A. The restauranl ... what is the name ofthe restaurant? Well I've never come there
Q.Bul they had told its name? Because there are a a lot offucking Mexican restaurants here in Oak Cliff. There on
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A. What did they tell me the name was? Capital. It seems that whal they said "Capital", It seems thai what they said
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Q. Capital? Or MoreHa's?
A. We.1l [ believe they said Cap-itol, its beca~se Morelia is the capital but that is how they call it.
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Q. SO, Morclia is the Capital ofMichoacan?
Q. Ok, so you were going to go.there to get close to sec if you get a'job
A. yes weill said if there's someone I know weill can see what-yes that's-all.
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Q. And when you got there; where were yqu? Was there anybody there in the restaurant when you were walking by?
A. Was there somebody there?
A. The restaurant,l believe not, weill was still a little far away I couldn't see anything. Who knows if there was
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Q. Ok then you went this way and then you went thai way
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Q: Did you have to climb up over something to get there? Because I beiieve it is closed, all ihafare has '8 fence
A. Me?
Q. Yes
Q. What color'l
A. Blue
Q. Blue?
A. The pants? .
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Q. Blue? Ok I'll be right back Jose Ok? Hey and your name is Jose Rangel Arre~?
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Q. 15 Howald are you right now?
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walking here and' you 'were here where th,e x is, true? Yes or no?
Q. Ok. and ~here was the sho~t.ing? Whe~ did they start to Shoo~?
A: The me;s started about in ihis area 1
Q. Ok the circle that indicates here. Put some circles so I can try to imagine this good
A. All around here, all around here you could you could hear just shots but I couldn't see from where they. were
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A. Yes then here I went here this way and then from here I was going to go that way that is how I came walking
Q. What was there when they were shooting? Were you alone, or what was lhere in this area?
A. Well th.e only thing I can remember is saw there was 8 truck
Q. One truck
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Q. Did you see a car parked in this area in the parking lot?
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A. Parked in the parking lot? Truly I don't relJlember
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Q. Ok but th'j~ restaurant thni'lhey call the capital, is that what they told you?
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Q. Well all right, ok, they hit you on the foot, on what part aflhe fool?
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Q. Yes
A. When they hit me, there I fell this way quickly and I have not even seen it
Q. Is it hard?
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Q. Alone? Of these numbers wh.o is the person ~hat lives in this afea?
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A. Well where the~ live I don't ,know, they in this area
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Q. but who lives here in the city of Dallas or this location?
A. From the,number that I had their not bere anYmore. but this numbeds
Q. Who?
A. This one
Q. Who is this?
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A. With the... the other number only. This one 1never call.
A. II is from Houston .,
Q. It's from Houston?·
A. Yes
Q. Do you have here your (Ibmalc) cousin's number?
A. Of mr cousin?
Q. or Maria, Yes
A. No that one, no
Q.Where?
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Q.AndPolo?
A. Polo? He is in Hou~.ton
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Q. 10 me so~1 ~ t~ t9 figure .our. why this happened. ok? ."'ow 1knqw.,tbat y.~u w~"~atme(L~~}1se ilic gun w~~
pick up..0k-and if,you 'wantme,to tt:US! you I'm gojngto need.yail,to sp~.witn the tryth".QR? Be~us~ ~t'this po)nt
JQse wh!!t yoU; are saying that.you were just-wal~ingby is not trUe. $0 lets sp~ wi!b the tru~ Wt; are both Il!~n
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Q. We'~re ~en.
yo,u knQw ~ery
well wh'a! hl\ppened and; right now Y~\l ;~ .~Hh~ poini that ;,ou can' d,o alf 0r'that, rf
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A. Well, for Ilow;th~t is_'all I ean 'Fell you