@ColinTGraham Hello everyone and welcome to today's #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 19:30:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77819639056449536 - #1

@stefras Hi #mathchat.. Great sessiontoday (part 2) about creative play in math class.
What is it & how do we facilitate it?
Mon Jun 06 19:31:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77819878412787712 - #2

@ColinTGraham If it's your first time, don't try

try to keep up with everyone, just interact with
one or two people. Don't forget the hashtag --> #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:31:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77819922222288896 - #3

@ColinTGraham If you have to tweet over 140 characters, try to put the #mathchat near
the start!
Mon Jun 06 19:31:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77820038077353984 - #4

@ColinTGraham Today's topic is the follow-on

on from last time: "How do I promote deep,
creative and productive mathematical play?" #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:32:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77820129743876096 - #6

@stefras #mathchat starts right now. Join us to discuss creative play in math class. What
is it & how do we facilitate it?
Mon Jun 06 19:32:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77820211742507009 - #7

@ColinTGraham We mostly agreed that play was an important part of learning, last time,
but didn't get far with defining mathematical play #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:33:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77820511828193280 - #8

@Samuel_Hansen I like to promote mathematical play by interview people about how

they first got into math which is almost always through play #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:34:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77820561220313089 - #10

@Flocabulary Interesting topic! RT @stefras: #mathchat starts now. Join us to discuss

creative play in math class. What is it & how do we facilitate it?
Mon Jun 06 19:34:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77820565095854080 - #11

@stefras @ColinTGraham #mathchat I have ben thinking about this. When it comes down
to it, to facilitate play, we need to ask why we play?
Mon Jun 06 19:34:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77820664333082624 - #12

@ColinTGraham @Samuel_Hansen And the people you interview are mostly

mathematicians...? How about non-mathematics,
non Sam? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:34:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77820771703070720 - #13

@ColinTGraham @stefras We need to think about different kinds of play too, not all play
goes the same way or has the same function each time #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:36:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821127040315392 - #14

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
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 @Samuel_Hansen @ColinTGraham Well my show is about mathematicians, but I have
interviewed
viewed people who are not mathematicians #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:36:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821233344937984 - #15

@Samuel_Hansen @ColinTGraham They just have to have a career about mathematics,

but the audience is aimed a lot broader #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:37:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821339536338945 - #16

@stefras @ColinTGraham #mathchat I think we need to provide curiosity, challenge and

unexpected cognitive reward -- depth, connections.
Mon Jun 06 19:37:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821417181298688 - #17

@NatBanting @stefras @ColinTGraham || Do you guys think the process of

Mathematical Induction is considered "play" #mathchat #maths #edchat
Mon Jun 06 19:37:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821482549526528 - #18

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Is math play different from other kinds of play? Or is it just
playing w/ concepts usually considered
considere mathematical? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:37:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821488337661952 - #19

@ColinTGraham @Samuel_Hansen Do you find one type of interviewee tends to be

more playful than others, or is play a common element with them all #mathchat
athchat
Mon Jun 06 19:37:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821524316397568 - #20

@davidwees @Samuel_Hansen That is a neat idea. Find out how people who enjoy
mathematics got there. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:38:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821633632534528 - #21

@stefras @ColinTGraham #mathchat True. Each "play" opportunity is different depending

on circumstance and player(s).
Mon Jun 06 19:38:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821737575784449 - #22

@Flocabulary @stefras Kids use play to creatively work out

out problems. Substitute the
word "math" for "play" and the sentence still works. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:38:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821776121434112 - #23

@davidwees @gamesbygord has some great ideas on www.mathpickle.com on

"mathematical play." #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:38:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821802335838208 - #24

@NatBanting @ColinTGraham @Samuel_Hansen || How to you "interview" someone

about play? Previous examples? isn't is spontaneous? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:39:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821837555417088 - #25

@Samuel_Hansen @ColinTGraham Play, especially play as spurred on by Martin

Gardner, is a very common thread. #mathchat
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Mon Jun 06 19:39:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821888700760064 - #26

@Samuel_Hansen @ColinTGraham I did find that it is even more important for people
who come to math later on #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:39:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821909764550657 - #27

@MrViscidi @ColinTGraham look up the game "High Seas Deception" Great game that
truly involves mathematical thinking! #probability #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:39:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77821962906378240 - #28

@davidwees Play is spontaneous, isn't it? Very rarely organized? #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 19:39:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822035031621632 - #29

@ColinTGraham @NatBanting #mathchat Not sure how the induction would be play, as
such, maybe it comes from playing with something to see where it leads
Mon Jun 06 19:39:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822053926969344 - #30

@Samuel_Hansen @NatBanting I have a show called Strongly Connected Components,

and one of the things I ask my guests are how they came to math #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:40:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822093345046528 - #31

@stefras @ColinTGraham #mathchat I'm at a school, so I am using Twitter. It is much

slower than using TweetDeck; also won't update if I'm typing.
Mon Jun 06 19:40:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822142019936256
77822 - #32

@Samuel_Hansen @NatBanting One of the most common threads is through forms of

math play such as puzzles or stumbling onto a Martin Gardner book #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:40:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822217697755136 - #33

@ColinTGraham @MrViscidi We made a distinction last time between playing games

with mathematical content vs. playing mathematically... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:41:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822314800099328 - #34

@AshleyWalther Maybe it could be more likelike discovery? give them a set of materials, a
theme, and say "go"...and just see what happens #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:41:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822519649898496 - #35

@NatBanting I think play begins with a big problem, and lets students work within it.
http://bit.ly/k2YBlz #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:41:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822556303917056 - #36

@ColinTGraham @stefras Try #mathchat in TweetChat or TwitterFall... might speed

things up a bit! There is a TweetDeck for Chrome too...
Mon Jun 06 19:42:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822574846939138 - #37

@davidwees I think mathematical play could be encouraged by giving kids

kid objects with
mathematical properties, and time to use them. #mathchat
Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
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Mon Jun 06 19:42:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822649308422144 - #38

@Janshs ( @delta_dc ) #mathchat like the idea of playing w/ concepts - - is it about trying
to encourage
rage the confidence to be speculative?
Mon Jun 06 19:42:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822710322966528 - #39

@stefras @ColinTGraham m #mathchat I think any play should be exploratory. Some can
be teacher assigned, others student supplied. Learning moments.
Mon Jun 06 19:42:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822743260823552 - #40

@davidwees @AshleyWalther I agree. We need more unguided discovery in

mathematics. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:42:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822746674995201 - #41

@mathhombre Some me play is spontaneous. Some takes a lot of effort. All of my favorite
games had many hours - or centuries - of design. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:42:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822774223179776
778227742231 - #42

@ColinTGraham @AshleyWalther That's one approach. Key point which came out last
time was that play should be personally
perso directed, for one thing #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:43:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822838689628162 - #43

@MrViscidi @davidwees I agree. But I think, if structured correctly (fun,

rewarding,enjoyable) math play can be be organized #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:43:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822882432040960 - #44

@Samuel_Hansen @davidwees What sort of objects come to mind

mind for this sort of play
#mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:43:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822904661852160 - #45

@Janshs @davidwees and maybe trying to find math properties where they didn't think
they'd find them? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:43:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822952179113984 - #46

@NatBanting @davidwees @AshleyWalther Kaplan's "math circle" looks great, but how
can we justify "unguided" in schools? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:43:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77822958306992130 - #47

@davidwees I think Vi Hart's work (see http://bit.ly/mqOYyo has some great examples of
mathematical play IMHO. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:43:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823000564604929 - #48

@ColinTGraham @NatBanting
tBanting Kind of like: there's a field, go play in it/find something to
do... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:43:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823035683508224 - #49

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
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 @NatBanting Unguided math format: see "Out of the Labrynth" - Kaplan and Kaplan.
Middle part is a little dry, but begining and end are great!! #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:44:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823136443277313 - #50

@stefras @davidwees #mathchat Along with math objects, students can also create or
analyze math draws (drawings, sketches).
Mon Jun 06 19:44:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823207347986432
778232073 - #51

@davidwees @NatBanting @AshleyWalther Lots of learning in schools is relatively

unguided already. Not everything
g needs to be structured. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:44:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823214755119104 - #52

@ColinTGraham @davidwees The decision to play may be spontaneous, but... are you
saying there is nothing organized about playing chess? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:44:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823312201383937 - #53

@delta_dc @Janshs Play certainly allows learners to

to be imaginative. This is a quality
lacking in many math students. #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:45:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823352005345280 - #54

@NatBanting #mathchat || A HUGE part of mathematical play is haveing students take a

problem and
d POSE new problems. Problem solving meet problem POSING
Mon Jun 06 19:45:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823467365478400 - #55

@davidwees @ColinTGraham Hrmm. So we have 2 types of play we need to discuss

then, structured and unstructured. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:45:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823535527112704 - #56

@ColinTGraham @davidwees Or we need to look at the purpose behind a play session

and then decide about how the session runs (before
( structure) #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:46:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823764758413313 - #57

@Janshs now, developing a maths imagination - I *do* like that idea @delta_dc#mathchat
@delta_dc
- spose it's all about exploring the world around them?
Mon Jun 06 19:46:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823806181347328 - #58

@Flocabulary @colintgraham Even spontaneous play is often guided

guided by rules. And when
kids develop the rules, they're using mathematical thinking #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:47:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823854365515778 - #59

@stefras #mathchat I can also provide resources: http://bit.ly/stefmathlabs,

http://bit.ly/stefmathlabs
http://bit.ly/stefmath and exercises like @thescamdog's Radical Ruler.
Mon Jun 06 19:47:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823858039734272 - #60

@NatBanting @AshleyWalther Opening could have a theme or guiding question, but

allows students the immediate control over it. #mathchat
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Mon Jun 06 19:47:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823903505985536 - #61

@delta_dc @NatBanting: I thought "Out of the Labrynth" was worthwhile, as well

#mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:47:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77823980957995009 - #62

@Janshs IMO just having fun and then realsiing that Maths can be fun is quite important
#mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:48:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824083097690112 - #63

@ColinTGraham @Samuel_Hansen For the latecomerslatecomers to mathematics, was it play that

drew them to explore further, do you think, more than anything? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:48:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824104912257024 - #64

@NatBanting @davidwees Agreed. No one says we have to follow the book, but we do
need to cover the curriculum. So we do need themes
th #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:48:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824314874937345 - #65

@delta_dc @Janshs My wife wrote a nice post about her efforts to foster
imagination.http://t.co/lInHDvh #Mathchat
#Mathc
Mon Jun 06 19:49:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824336744030208 - #66

@ColinTGraham @Janshs Anything can be made fun... according

according to gamers anyway.
Play and fun are related, but I think play is much more meaningful #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:49:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824347116535808 - #67

@mathhombre #mathchat Objects that fit together in interesting ways, puzzles,

puz ...
Mon Jun 06 19:49:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824356499202048 - #68

@stefras @davidwees @ColinTGraham #mathchat Structured or unstructured. Play it by

ere? Like a learning moment. Let the students lead?
Mon Jun 06 19:49:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824384148062208 - #69

@Samuel_Hansen @ColinTGraham I do, especially when I was talking to say Ivars

Peterson. Not a mathematician by training, but play drew him in #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:49:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824493455814656 - #70

@NatBanting @delta_dc How much interest is there for "Math circles' or math clubs tho?
Kids dont wanna be mathletes...haha #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:49:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824513890459648
7782 - #71

@davidwees @NatBanting Personally, I hate the "need to cover the curriculum" problem
when discussing ideas about math. Always closes doors. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:49:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824530546032640 - #72

@Janshs @delta_dc thanks will take a good look at that #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 19:49:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824566457667584 - #73

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
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 @delta_dc @NatBanting @davidwees Don't we want learners to be able to access the
curriculum on their own? We "cover" dead things
t ;-) #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:50:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824679099899904 - #74

@Janshs @ColinTGraham agree, not always linked but one can sometimes engender the
other #mathchat (fun/play)
Mon Jun 06 19:50:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824745986469888
7 - #75

@NatBanting @davidwees I hear ya... but aren't our hands tied. That is why I love
prompts that are specifically
ifically themed, but openely solved... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:50:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824828446490624 - #76

@ColinTGraham @Flocabulary The thing about 'rules' for games/play is who decides
them and how they are enforced... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:51:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824946100899840 - #77

@delta_dc Whose fault is that? :-)

: @NatBanting:Kids dont wanna
anna be
mathletes...#mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:51:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824949015941120 - #78

@stefras @NatBanting @davidwees #mathchat Themes are doable. Create puzzles or let
students create then play each other's or your puzzles on a theme.
Mon Jun 06 19:51:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77824994259902464 - #79

@NatBanting @delta_dc Sure, they can access whateve rthey want. But my job is to
open it for them. What they "access" outside is great... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:51:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825030880378880 - #80

@davidwees @dgburris Maria Montessori created a bunch, as I understand it. Vi Hart

might suggest you can use anything... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:52:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825140125220864 - #81

@Samuel_Hansen @delta_dc @NatBanting Honestly I wish that the answer was wasn't
that math is not cool, but that is really the problem sometimes #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:52:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825280881864704 - #82

@ColinTGraham Play, to me, is personally directed and intrinsically motivated... once

external 'direction' appears, the nature of play changes #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:53:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825362372984833 - #83

@stefras @ColinTGraham @Janshs #mathchat Play makes learning informal. It allows

students engage into flow. The math
ma needs to be essential.
Mon Jun 06 19:53:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825360707850240 - #84

@delta_dc @NatBanting So do we open

open what we want, what we think they need, what
will help them later to open more? #Mathchat
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Mon Jun 06 19:53:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825409739268096 - #85

@NatBanting @stefras Puzzles... labs... tasks... they get a problem, and need to decide
how to solve. ie. http://bit.ly/m4zsuX #mathchat still open
Mon Jun 06 19:53:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825456480583680 - #87

@davidwees One game my colleague @djmiles like to play with students is a counting
game. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:54:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825699116879872 - #88

@NatBanting @davidwees I thought this book is bang on on the nature of math, but didn't
allow
llow room for teh framework of our schools. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:54:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825734164496384 - #89

@ColinTGraham I'll ask what I did last time: "Do we play enough ourselves in maths
lessons and model behaviour for our students enough?" #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:54:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825736215506944 - #90

@NatBanting @davidwees @djmiles Any details on this counting game?? #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 19:55:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825882529599488 - #91

@acmescience @ColinTGraham I think you are right with play being intrinsically
motivated, but I don't think external direction violates that #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:55:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825955913138177 - #92

@delta_dc I think of play as being related to engagement. Cambourne's research about

language acquisition can be applied. #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:55:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77825980588240896 - #93

@stefras #mathchat Well, I'm sorry. This is a topic I dearly would love to explore some
more with you, but my time is up and I have to mark. Enjoy.
Mon Jun 06 19:55:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826075681505280 - #94

@acmescience @ColinTGraham I don't, and I feel terrible about it. #mathchat

#neverenoughplayintheclassroom
everenoughplayintheclassroom
Mon Jun 06 19:56:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826127581806592 - #95

@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham #mathchat take a leaf out of EYFS. Play is maths based
and is personal but guided by theme from curriculum.
Mon Jun 06 19:56:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826137031589889 - #96

@davidwees His idea? Give students a LOT of things to count (like beans) but no paper,
no writing utensils, and 5 or 6 paper cups. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:56:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826181805772801 - #97

@ColinTGraham @stefras Thanks for dropping by, Shawn! Enjoy the marking ;-)
;
#mathchat
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Mon Jun 06 19:56:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826210687750145 - #98

@davidwees The students work in teams and spend hours trying to count the beans, but
struggle to keep track of how many they have. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:57:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826340589535234 - #99

@ColinTGraham RT @AshleyWalther: I have said "hum, let's find out!" and then chased
a rabbit...but not often enough in front of the students #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:57:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826389499326464 - #100

@AshleyWalther @ColinTGraham I have said "hum, let's find out!" and then chased a
rabbit...but
bit...but not often enough in front of the students #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:57:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826457358962688 - #102

@davidwees Eventually they develop a base system for counting using the paper cups.
Cup 1 = ones place, cup 2 = tens place, etc... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:57:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826458776649728 - #103

@ColinTGraham @cherrylkd Everything

Everything in early years tends to be play-based
play though,
doesn't it? When does the play disappear? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:58:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826603756949506 - #104

@NatBanting @ColinTGraham Exactly my point as well... http://bit.ly/jsJBng #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 19:58:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826643456049152 - #105

@Janshs RT @delta_dc: I think of play as being related to engagement. Cambourne's

research about language acquisition can be applied. #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:58:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826694001598464 - #106

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Modeling behavior like play has become easier since using
Think-Alouds #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:58:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826724393517056 - #107

@davidwees So through "play" and counting, they discover the base system and place
value. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:58:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826729359589377
778267293595 - #108

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @cherrylkd Play disappears when some secondary teachers

get involved. "We must prepare you
yo for next level!" #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:59:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77826997975400448 - #110

@NatBanting @davidwees Does play have to be fun then? Maybe it is hard? Answering
"Why" is harder that "how" after all... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 19:59:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827052547473408 - #111

@Janshs so play is about intrinsic & internalised motivation & engagement

engage #mathchat
what (if anything) make Maths play different? ...
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Mon Jun 06 19:59:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827080926134272 - #112

@CutTheKnotMath #mathchat @davidwees I think mathematical play could be

encouraged by giving kids objects with
with mathematical properties: ~paper & pencil?
Mon Jun 06 20:00:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827115663360000 - #113

@bcphysics Some
me thoughts on math education: http://bit.ly/jBqjMH #mathchat #edchat
Mon Jun 06 20:00:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827112848990209 - #114

@Flocabulary @delta_dc We definitely believe that play and fun learning create
engagement #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:00:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827157300224000 - #115

@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham #mathchat true. I think its unfortunate that it disappears too
early. I'd extend to KS 2. Good way of
o learning
Mon Jun 06 20:00:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827223058526208 - #116

@davidwees @NatBanting Lots of play is hard AND fun. #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 20:00:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827243673518080 - #117

@Janshs .... #mathchat is it more difficult to encourage? is that because there is a

perception that Maths must be 'useful'?
Mon Jun 06 20:00:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827244038422528 - #118

@NatBanting Sorry about the abbrev. #mathchat.. I have to go. Period 5 is starting. Such
a good topic, I had to come twice... haha Good luck all...
Mon Jun 06 20:00:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827298153332736 - #119

@ColinTGraham So, one element of mathematical play seems to be: explore within a
guided scenario. Play is connected to engagement... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:01:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827356894560257 - #120

@davidwees @CutTheKnotMath PaperPaper and pencil useful but not sufficient unless you've
added some framework for discussion/ideas. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:01:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827373868924928 - #121

@natfantastic @ColinTGraham @cherrylkd it shouldn't disappear. We have maths 'tool'

boxes. This allows child to access equipment when playing.
pl #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:01:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827408799076352 - #122

@ColinTGraham @NatBanting Thanks Nat, catch you next time. #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 20:01:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827431804846080 - #123

@delta_dc @Flocabulary Play allows learners the space to approximate. A key ingredient
to learning. #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:01:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827454886088705 - #124

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 @NatBanting @davidwees
@davidwees I play with math a lot myself, and the reward is great. It often
is frustrating while I a doign it tho...haha...#mathchat
tho...haha...
Mon Jun 06 20:01:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827554173652993 - #125

@Janshs @delta_dc @ColinTGraham I sort of think we need to rethink approach to a lot

of the curriculum to encourage learning
lea thro play #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:02:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827617448927233 - #126

@ColinTGraham What no-one

no one has mentioned so far, or last time either, is that it's ok to
mess things up when you're playing -- it's not 'serious' #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:02:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827720263909378 - #127

@cherrylkd @natfantastic @ColinTGraham #mathchat yes but it generally does. Targets

take over and not enough time allowed for self discovery
Mon Jun 06 20:02:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827786135441408 - #128

@CutTheKnotMath E.Kasner and J.Newman wrote: "Learning to compare is learning to

count. Numbers come much later; they are an artificiality" #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:02:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827790363299840 - #129

@delta_dc @cherrylkd @colintgraham Cambourne says engagement requires potential (I

can), purpose (I want to), & protection (It's safe to) #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:03:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77827880406630401 - #130

@CutTheKnotMath @davidwees you've added some framework for discussion/ideas

~same with
ith all other objects with math properties, no? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:04:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828106488000512 - #131

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @cherrylkd Before that, is the enabling (I'm allowed to...)
that's where most classes fail, I think. #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:04:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828136649232384 - #132

@delta_dc @Janshs @colintgraham We need need to convince "math expert" teachers to care
more about the learners than the content. #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:04:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828153199964161 - #133

@cherrylkd @delta_dc @colintgraham #Mathchat Excellent theory. But do we stick to it?

Mon Jun 06 20:04:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828213547601920 - #134

@delta_dc Isn't that our choice? >> RT @cherrylkd:

@cherrylkd: @delta_dc @colintgraham#Mathchat
@colintgraham
Excellent theory. But do we stick to it?
Mon Jun 06 20:05:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828486315782144 - #135

@AshleyWalther dang...i keep forgetting #mathchat tag...

Mon Jun 06 20:05:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828535087153153 - #137

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
 @CutTheKnotMath @davidwees Paper and pencil useful but not sufficient ~paper is
good for origami, is rect, has right angles, diagonals,symmetry. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:05:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828535259119617 - #138

@ColinTGraham @natfantastic
@natfantastic @cherrylkd The challenge for teachers later on, though,
is trying not to restrict access to avenues of play #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:05:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828601059348480 - #139

@Janshs @delta_dc I think we/they do care about the learners/learning but don't always
remember about this when under pressure
press #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:06:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828649839116288 - #140

@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham @delta_dc #Mathchat This seems to happen in mid ks 1

when ch stop being 'allowed' to play and learn
Mon Jun 06 20:06:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828675617300481 - #141

@natfantastic @cherrylkd @colintgraham #mathchat we are developing creative

curriculum which will address this. Will be based on EYFS principles.
Mon Jun 06 20:06:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828717858136064 - #142

@delta_dc I brought up approximation >> MT @ColinTGraham: What no-one

no has
mentioned so far is that it's ok to mess things up #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:06:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828766612733953 - #143

@CutTheKnotMath @CutTheKnotMath @davidwees

@davidwees Pencils have length, cross section,
pointed end and a butt #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:06:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828818957639680 - #144

@ColinTGraham Play is 'safer' that way, tho' RT @AshleyWalther: that's true, but you
don't have to be playing in order for mistakes to be "okay" #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:07:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828862507089920 - #145

@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham @natfantastic #mathchat That's true. Need to build this in to

maths learning to cont enjoyment
Mon Jun 06 20:07:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77828929121042432 - #147

@mathhombre #mathchat Not to Cambourne-out

out here, but approximation is another
condition of learning.
Mon Jun 06 20:07:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829100684849152 - #148

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc Approximation is not quite the same as a "Game Over"

though... ;-) #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:08:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829123036286978 - #149

@delta_dc @Janshs That's sad, because it is when we are stressed that we should focus
on relationships not content. #Mathchat
Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
Mon Jun 06 20:08:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829157437976576
77 - #150

@delta_dc @Janshs That's sad, because it is when we are stressed that we should focus
on relationships not content. #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:08:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829157437976576 - #151

@cherrylkd @natfantastic @colintgraham #mathchat Brilliant. We do our best to do that.

Wish more schools had confidence to try
Mon Jun 06 20:08:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829168959721472 - #152

@Janshs @delta_dc of course you're quite right :-)

: #mathchat and of course
cours I might be
completely wrong anyway ...
Mon Jun 06 20:09:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829386405027840 - #154

@mathhombre I should ld know I don't have to bring it up if @delta_dc is in #mathchat! I

think play contibutes to purpose, also, which helps engagement.
Mon Jun 06 20:09:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829413110169602
7782941311 - #155

@ColinTGraham @natfantastic @cherrylkd It's probably easier to do this in a primary

environment. Much more challenge
lenge for secondary though... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:09:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829437466488832 - #156

@natfantastic @cherrylkd @colintgraham #mathchat that is where open ended

curriculum opportunities are so important.
Mon Jun 06 20:09:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829453639729152 - #157

@dmarain 20 min unstruct play w/pattern blocks, tangrams,etc: "Look what I made!" Then
guided play:"Make diff squares,trace on grid paper." #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:09:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829531322433536 - #158

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Cambourne says "mistakes are essential for learning to

occur." What he calls approximation. http://t.co/y7lxZFj #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:10:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829751548542976 - #159

@natfantastic @cherrylkd @colintgraham #mathchat headteacher is maths coordinator

and very dynamic. We have also just had v successful ofsted so
s can try.
Mon Jun 06 20:10:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829810545623040 - #160

@cherrylkd @natfantastic @colintgraham #mathchat Agree. That's why creative

curriculum is good
Mon Jun 06 20:10:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829841851920385 - #161

@ColinTGraham @dmarain I would be inclined to have complete disconnects between

the play 'topic' and the guided, ie don't do them on same day... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:11:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77829863565836288 - #162

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
 @ColinTGraham @dmarain If kids kids see the play as always leading to a 'lesson' it can put
them off engaging in the play. Tricky balance. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:11:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77830089135493120 - #163

@cherrylkd @natfantastic @colintgraham #mathchat its a brilliant

rilliant opportunity to change
things for the better
Mon Jun 06 20:12:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77830124803854336 - #164

@davidwees @CutTheKnotMath Hah! Point taken, yes agree, pencil could be sufficient
with the a certain perspective. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:12:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77830155942379520 - #165

@MrHonner Seems to me that often when teachers say "I wish students did X more", the
teachers themselves aren't doing X enough.
enou #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:12:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77830169938759681 - #166

@MrHonner How many #math teachers truly play with math on a regular basis?#mathchat
basis?
Mon Jun 06 20:12:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77830258077859840 - #167

@AshleyWalther maybe you could have stations where one of them is

i just math
puzzles/games either topic related or not? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:14:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77830776179277824 - #168

@ColinTGraham For the benefit of non-UK

non UK teachers would someone like to give a brief
overview of the Creative Curriculum? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:14:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77830816641724417 - #169

@davidwees @MrHonner Good point. I've

I've found myself "playing with math" at least once
or twice a month in various ways. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:14:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77830837437071360 - #170

@natfantastic @ColinTGraham @cherrylkd #mathchat but still doable. Closed off

of
assignments put me off. Rediscovered passion for maths at uni. Through play!
Mon Jun 06 20:15:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77831108955353088 - #171

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner That was the question I raised earlier, too. Do we model
play enough for our students? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:16:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77831201901129728
7 - #172

@cherrylkd @TomSale @natfantastic @colintgraham #mathchat you're welcome. Best

remember!
Mon Jun 06 20:16:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77831315516424193 - #173

@MrHonner @davidwees Important b/c it stokes the teacher's passion, which is one of
the easiest traits to identify in a "good" teacher. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:17:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77831483955478528 - #174

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
 @cherrylkd @natfantastic @ColinTGraham #mathchat how so? Sounds good
Mon Jun 06 20:17:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77831562351230978 - #175

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham
nTGraham And do we model approximating? And do we model making
mistakes and seeing what happens? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:18:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77831693456781312 - #176

@MrHonner Some of the best mathematical "play" comes from making mistakes and
seeing where it goes! #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:18:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77831824180654080 - #177

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner Well, @delta_dc might say those are part of mathematical
play too... ;-) #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:18:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77831860260052992 - #178

@ColinTGraham What areas of your teaching would you find it most difficult to play with?
Why? #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:20:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77832166049984514 - #179

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham @delta_dc @delta_dc Estimating things can be fun! Try exploring the
anchoring principle with a glass of rice! #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:20:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77832193296179200 - #180

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @MrHonner I would. And taking responsibility for making up

the rules... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:20:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77832354256797696 - #181

@ColinTGraham Does 'competitive'

'competitive' play have a role here, or could that disenfranchise
parts of the class? #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:21:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77832544942432256 - #182

@dmarain My experience is that most students get bored after a period of time with too
much freedom They are then ready for some structure #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:21:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77832600651182080 - #183

@ColinTGraham @dmarain Is that more about students not knowing how to play, as
much as anything? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:23:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77832996312457216 - #184

@delta_dc @MrHonner @colintgraham Cambourne's idea of approximating is more like

Vygotsky's idea of ZPD. But I like estimating
estimati too. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:24:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77833194862411776 - #185

@shnology @dmarain Can there be play and structure at the same time? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:24:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77833377591459840 - #186

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
 @MrHonner @ColinTGraham I've always found competition to be an energizer, but I
always like to eventually move it to collaboration. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:25:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77833428615180288 - #187

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @MrHonner If we take approximating as getting closer to

something... then the play becomes more focused... less playful? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:25:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77833506599870464 - #188

@ColinTGraham @shnology @dmarain A game of chess... that's pretty

structured!#mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:25:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77833617878953984 - #189

@cherrylkd @natfantastic @colintgraham #mathchat wish more did that. I was put off by
strict teachers in secondary despite being successful
Mon Jun 06 20:26:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77833743984902144 - #190

@delta_dc Fluency does not necessarily mean the end of play >> @ColinTGraham: As
the play becomes more focused... less playful? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:28:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77834167466999808 - #192

@ColinTGraham @natfantastic @cherrylkd A 'closed' assignment usually has 'an answer'.

Play or open-ended
ended tasks stop when you want to #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:28:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77834221229580289 - #193

@mathhombre #mathchat Variety is an essential part of play. It takes an obsessive type

to play the same kind of thing all the
he time.
Mon Jun 06 20:28:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77834359809388544 - #194

@natfantastic @cherrylkd @colintgraham #mathchat Me too. Maths was very elitist at my

secondary. Uni showed me that everything can be linked to maths!
Mon Jun 06 20:29:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77834399722389504 - #195

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc The nature of the play changes though, if you start to direct
or impose structure on what you are doing... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:29:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77834499743952897 - #196

@ColinTGraham @natfantastic @cherrylkd It's not a case of "can be linked" everything

*is* linked to mathematics in some way... ;-)
; #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:30:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77834692509974529 - #197

@AshleyWalther @ColinTGraham i love using competition but in small doses otherwise

some students give up...team competition is best imo #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:30:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77834880255410176 - #199

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham am I don't disagree. Some coaches take all the fun out of sports.
But structured play can still be play. #Mathchat
Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
Mon Jun 06 20:31:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77834991689666560 - #200

@natfantastic @ColinTGraham @cherrylkd depends how you define closed. EYFS

stretches learning through purposeful play but we often
oft 1/2 #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:31:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77835105388871680 - #201

@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham @natfantastic #mathchat which goes back to the creative

curriculum really. All linked up
Mon Jun 06 20:31:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77835135633981440 - #202

@Flocabulary @colintgraham We've got to run, but great #mathchat on play. A motivated
student is definitely a more successful student.
Mon Jun 06 20:32:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77835389326462977 - #203

@ColinTGraham Thanks for dropping by @Flocabulary #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 20:33:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77835527272923136 - #204

@natfantastic @natfantastic @colintgraham @cherrylkd #mathchat arrive at the same

end having taken different paths.
Mon Jun 06 20:33:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77835581329117185 - #205

@ColinTGraham @natfantastic @cherrylkd That is certainly a big part of mathematical

approaches... there is usually more than one way to do "..." #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:34:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77835847453511680 - #206

@cherrylkd @natfantastic @colintgraham #mathchat good point

Mon Jun 06 20:35:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77835937094176770 - #207

@ColinTGraham What does oes everyone see as being the purpose of play (structured or
unstructured) within the context of your lessons? #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:35:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77836075732709376 - #208

@mathhombre #mathchat a wise elementary teacher taught

ught me to always include
playtime with new manipulatives before planned activities.
Mon Jun 06 20:36:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77836369770201088 - #209

@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham @natfantastic #mathchat left to themselves without too

much structure ch will usually get there and enjoy it
Mon Jun 06 20:36:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77836377454166016 - #210

@ColinTGraham @AshleyWalther One "danger" of competition for me is that the focus

can
an become the winning, rather than the getting better... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:37:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77836510388420608 - #211

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham I use "play" to create context, motivate a result. If S's

uncover the basic ideas, the big idea will be clearer. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:38:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77836700516225024 - #212

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
 @mathhombre #mathchat Purpose of play: capture essence of what mathematicians do.
Mon Jun 06 20:38:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77836711761158145 - #213

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham @AshleyWalther This is why it's important to make sure

competition gets turned into collaboration. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:38:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77836871471865856 - #214

@ColinTGraham @cherrylkd @natfantastic

@natfantastic Maybe ties in to the idea that memorable
activities lead to memorable learning, too... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:39:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77837009682575360 - #215

@Janshs RT @ColinTGraham .. the purpose of play (structured or unstructured) within

the context of ur lessons #Mathchat > to encourage risk taking?
Mon Jun 06 20:39:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77837010676629504 - #216

@MrHonner Also, "competition"s like "Best Solution", "Best Counterexample", "Best Worst
Answer" build competition and respect at same time. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:40:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77837260153827329 - #217

@ColinTGraham I see play as a way of taking a "brain break"...sometimes

break"...sometime something
completely aimless allows the subconscious mind to get to work #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:40:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77837393180360705 - #218

@natfantastic @cherrylkd @colintgraham #mathchat play gives them chance to practise

and
d consolidate learning. 'Pieces together the jigsaw of life'
Mon Jun 06 20:41:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77837419164082176 - #219

@cherrylkd RT @natfantastic: @cherrylkd @colintgraham #mathchat play gives them

chance to practise and consolidate learning. 'Pieces together the j ...
Mon Jun 06 20:42:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77837741139836929 - #220

@ColinTGraham Play can also lead to 'out-of-the-box'

'out box' insights...Haga's theorems for
origami
mi came because he was just playing about with a square #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:42:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77837767085801472 - #221

@Janshs sorry not to join in #mathchat more this eve

Mon Jun 06 20:43:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77837981062397953
7783798106 - #222

@ColinTGraham @Janshs Risk taking within a safe situation, maybe! #Mathchat

Mon Jun 06 20:43:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838003569041408 - #223

@shnology Purpose? Get them to like something that, when you look at it only in a
textbook, is otherwise boring!! #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:43:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838008220516352 - #224

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
 @natfantastic @ColinTGraham @cherrylkd #mathchat Definitely. Remember stuff from
uni 20years ago. Aim to do same for my class. Empower them to tackle life
Mon Jun 06 20:43:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838074750570496 - #225

@Janshs @ColinTGraham yes can be great! we do this a lot in my classes, students

sometimes find it hard the 1st few times #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:44:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838271304044544 - #226

@shnology And not have math only be associated with the classroom and work.
#mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:44:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838274135203840 - #227

@cherrylkd @natfantastic @colintgraham #mathchat I couldn't agree more. Tried to

retweet but 2 many character. Well said
Mon Jun 06 20:44:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838357375356928
7783835 - #228

@dmarain "You each have 40 ft of fencing. Pose several questions you'd like the answer
to." This is open-ended
ed but structured. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:45:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838450782519297 - #229

@ColinTGraham @shnology By like, do you mean engage with on some emotional level?
Can't say I 'like' calculus, for example ;-)
; #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:45:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838516612116480 - #230

@cherrylkd @natfantastic @ColinTGraham #mathchat I remeber when it stopped being

fun and always aim to keep the fun in maths for class
Mon Jun 06 20:45:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838576628404225 - #231

@Janshs @ColinTGraham yes - perhaps play is about it being OK to be a bit different??

(in a nice mathematical way) #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:45:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838600284282880 - #232

@Janshs I guess I mean ok to have a different view #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 20:46:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838697415974912 - #233

@ColinTGraham Do we need to teach our students how to play? #Mathchat

Mon Jun 06 20:46:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77838915926630402 - #234

@shnology @ColinTGraham Hmm, I guess by like I mean... not hate? #mathchat

Mon Jun 06 20:47:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77839149108957184 - #236

@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham @natfantastic #mathchat this could be y many people have

fond memories of primary sch not 2dry. Less fun equals less learning
Mon Jun 06 20:47:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77839161209524225 - #237

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
 @ColinTGraham @shnology I think engagement is ok, if you are engaged with something
then you aren't bored with it! #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:49:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77839515049410560 - #238

@cherrylkd #mathchat thanks for the learning folks. Got to go. Early start tomorrow.
Mon Jun 06 20:49:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77839585715044353 - #239

@ColinTGraham @cherrylkd Good night Cherryl, thanks for joining us. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:50:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77839706431303680 - #240

@mathhombre #mathchat I use games that gather data to analyze later, that offer a
context to see mathematical structure, or offer engaging practice.
Mon Jun 06 20:51:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77840155154718721 - #242

@dmarain If our goal is to create more creative outside-the-box

outside box thinkers, then "playing
around" is essential. But there are other
othe goals... #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:52:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77840313959456768 - #243

@mathhombre #mathchat If you play enough games in class, it's easier to pose
investigations as playful. "Can we get from here to there?"
Mon Jun 06 20:52:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77840369420734464 - #244

@ColinTGraham @dmarain True, and that comes back to the purpose of the play...
p Tic-
Tac-Toe
Toe is boring once you solve it... so play it on a torus. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:54:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77840717396979712 - #245

@reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham I like Tic-Tac-Toe:

Tic Toe: first to make a line loses. Shakes
things up a bit #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:56:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77841280494878720 - #246

@ColinTGraham OK, last five minutes...

minutes... any final thoughts about promoting deep,
creative and productive mathematical play? #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:56:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77841291530084352 - #247

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths Yes, element of play is changing the rules!#mathchat

rules!
Mon Jun 06 20:57:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77841463727230976 - #249

@reflectivemaths Probability games are my favourite. Play for fun, then look at actually
probabilities. #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:57:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77841617704321024 - #250

@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths Some

So teachers would like to play poker in lessons for
just that reason too! #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 20:59:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77842076137566208 - #251

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
(follow discussion)
 @ColinTGraham OK everyone, that's it for another #mathchat Thank you all for your
contributions.
Mon Jun 06 21:00:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77842397203148801 - #253

@ColinTGraham Don't forget to vote for the next topic. We'll be returning to "How do I..."
in two weeks' time. #Mathchat
Mon Jun 06 21:01:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77842619983601664 - #254

@reflectivemaths @MrHonner I like 'BEST Counterexample': I hate it that Ss think you

can't have an opinion in maths #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 21:02:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77842702917574656 - #255

@reflectivemaths Q:would you be comfortable with students playing poker for fake
money in class? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 21:04:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77843315625693184 - #257

@kittyfisherp @reflectivemaths #mathchat We consulted with head over educational

betting game using horse races and odds, got ok to use
Mon Jun 06 21:06:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77843749870379008 - #258

@reflectivemaths @kittyfisherp cool. How did you play the 'we're not teaching them to
bet - honest!' angle? #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 21:09:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77844506707378176 - #260

@Janshs @ColinTGraham
linTGraham thanks Colin #mathchat
Mon Jun 06 21:10:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77844755035328512 - #261

@mathhombre #mathchat games means something different to students now. Many have
no experience with board and card games. Game= where's the
t controller?
Mon Jun 06 21:11:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 77845165049516032 - #262

Monday, 6th June 2011How do I promote deep, productive and creative mathematical play? (follow-up
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