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Sam Shamoun

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The following is a continuation of our rebuttal series to the claims of Nisar Muhammad. We again would like to reiterate that Nisars arguments are some of the worst ever and as such are not worth refuting. Yet since he has repeatedly claimed that I have been unable to refute his arguments, I have chosen to publicly respond to him in order to silence this lie once and for all. We respond to Nisars article regarding the deity of Christ found here:

We begin, by the grace of our risen Lord and eternal Savior Jesus Christ. NISAR: Jesus Is Not God The Qur'an denies the deity of Christ: Surah Al-Maeda: 17: In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things." 72: They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. 75: Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! Islam, only accepts Jesus as a Prophet. He is joined with Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and Moses (Peace Be Upon Them All) as simply one of the Prophets (an-nabiyyin) between whom no distinction of any kind is made: Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." Qur'an Surah Al-Baqara 136 He is no more than a servant. He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel. Qur'an Al-Zukhruf 59 And nothing more than a messenger. Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses. Qur'an Surah Al-Maeda 78 The Qur'an states that Jesus was the Messiah. He is called Al-Masihu Isa - "the Messiah Jesus" (Surah 4.157, 171). The title Al-Masih (the Messiah) sometimes appears by itself as in Surah 4:172 and on other occasions he is called Al-Masihubnu Maryam - "the Messiah, son of Mary" (Surah 9.31), but on each of the eleven occasions where it appears the title AlMasih it is applied specifically to Jesus alone. When the Angel Gabriel first appeared to Mary he stated that the name of her son was to be Al-Masihu Isa (Surah 3.45). The Qur'an declares Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. (Qur'an Surah Al-Maeda 78)

RESPONSE: Nisar appeals to the Quran in order to prove that Jesus is not God. Yet Nisar fails to give us any reason for accepting the Quran as a reliable source of information on the life and mission of Jesus. For instance, as Nisar himself noted, Jesus is called the Messiah eleven times in the Quran. Yet the Quran fails to explain the significance the title Messiah has in our understanding of Jesus. What exactly is a Messiah? What is the Messiah suppose to do? Why is Jesus called the Messiah? How do we know that he is the Messiah? The Quran fails to answer these questions and as such is an incomplete and unreliable record. For the answer to these pertinent questions we need to turn our attention to the word of God, the Holy Bible. It is here that we discover that prophets, priests and kings were generally consecrated to their respective positions by being anointed with Gods special oil prepared by the priests. This anointing symbolized the persons divine commission, that the individual had been set apart and empowered by God to assume a specific role or function. This made them Messiahs, or anointed ones. (Cf. Exodus 30:22-31; 1 Samuel 10:1, 16:12-13; Psalm 105:15; Isaiah 45:1; Jeremiah 1:5; Lamentations 4:20) At the same time, the Hebrew Bible singles out one person in particular who would be greater than all the others and who would reign on the throne of King David forever. This is the One whom the Jews eagerly awaited, and whom they called THE Messiah. Seeing that prophets, priests and kings were anointed figures, this indicates that this specific Messiah would also function as a prophet, priest and king. Several OT passages serve to clarify this point: The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die. The LORD said to me: What they say is good. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account . Deuteronomy 18:15-18 Both the NT and Rabbinic tradition viewed this passage as a reference to the Messiah: He said to them, How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory? And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. Luke 24:25-27 He said to them, This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. Luke 24:44-45 Philip found Nathanael and told him, We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote-Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. John 1:45 But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?" John 5:4547 Some time after this, Jesus crossed to the far shore of the Sea of Galilee (that is, the Sea of Tiberias), and a great crowd of people followed him because they saw the miraculous signs he had performed on the sick. Then Jesus went up on a mountainside and sat down with his

disciples. The Jewish Passover Feast was near. When Jesus looked up and saw a great crowd coming toward him, he said to Philip, Where shall we buy bread for these people to eat? He asked this only to test him, for he already had in mind what he was going to do. Philip answered him, Eight months wages would not buy enough bread for each one to have a bite! Another of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, spoke up, Here is a boy with five small barley loaves and two small fish, but how far will they go among so many? Jesus said, Have the people sit down. There was plenty of grass in that place, and the men sat down, about five thousand of them. Jesus then took the loaves, gave thanks, and distributed to those who were seated as much as they wanted. He did the same with the fish. When they had all had enough to eat, he said to his disciples, Gather the pieces that are left over. Let nothing be wasted. So they gathered them and filled twelve baskets with the pieces of the five barley loaves left over by those who had eaten. After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to say, Surely this is THE PROPHET who is to come into the world . Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself So they asked him, What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: He gave them bread from heaven to eat. Jesus said to them, I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you th e bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven . For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world . John 6:1-14, 30-33 On hearing his words, some of the people said, Surely this man is the Prophet. John 7:40 Now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Christ would suffer. Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for youeven Jesus. He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets . For Moses said, The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from among his people. Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, HAVE FORETOLD THESE DAYS . Acts 3:17-24 The King Messiah shall be exalted above Abraham, be high ABOVE MOSES . Neve Shalom In fact MESSIAH IS SUCH A PROPHET as it is stated in the Midrash on the verse, Behold my servant shall propser Moses by the miracles he wrought drew but a single nation to the worship of God, but MESSIAH will draw ALL NATIONS to the worship of God . Rabbi Levi ben Gershom Many Muslim scholars also believed that Moses prophesied the coming of Jesus in the Torah. One such scholar was Ibn Kathir. In his comments on S. 61:6 Ibn Kathir states: Isa said, The Tawrah CONVEYED THE GLAD TIDINGS OF MY COMING, and my coming CONFIRMS THE TRUTH OF THE TAWRAH . I convey the glad tidings of the Prophet who will come after me. He is the unlettered, Makkan, Arab Prophet and Messenger, Ahmad. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 9, Surat Al-Jathiyah to the end of Surat Al-Munafiqun, abridged under a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur -Rahman AlMubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors Riyadh, Houston, New York, London, Lahore; First Edition: September 2000], p. 617; bold and capital emphasis ours) Muslim biographer Ibn Ishaq wrote in his biography Sirat Rasulullah: When the Christians of Najran came to the apostle the Jewish rabbis came also and they disputed one with the other before the apostle. Rafi said, You have no standing, and he denied Jesus and the Gospel; and a Christian said to the Jews, You have no standing and

he denied that Moses was a prophet and denied the Torah. So God sent down concerning them: The Jews say the Christians have no standing; and the Christians say that the Jews have no standing, and yet they read the scriptures. They do not know what they are talking about. God will judge between them on the day of resurrection concerning their controversy, i.e. each one reads IN HIS BOOK THE CONFIRMATION OF WHAT HE DENIES , so that the Jews deny Jesus though THEY HAVE THE TORAH in which God requ ired them BY THE WORD OF MOSES TO HOLD JESUS TRUE; while IN THE GOSPEL IS WHAT JESUS BROUGHT IN CONFIRMATION OF MOSES AND THE TORAH HE BROUGHT FROM GOD: so each one denies WHAT IS IN THE HAND OF THE OTHER . (Alfred Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad [Oxford University Press Karachi], p. 258; bold and capital emphasis ours) Interestingly, this tradition shows that copies of the Torah of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus were available during Muhammads time, being in the possession of the Jews and Christians. So much for Bible corruption! The following comments from Ar-Razi are taken from Mahmoud M Ayoubs book, The Quran and Its Interpreters, Volume II, The House of Imran, State University of New York Press, Albany 1992. p. 150: Razi then raises the following question: It may be argued that latter statement contradicts the one before it. This is because it clearly indicates that he came to make lawful some of the things which were unlawful in the Torah. This would mean that his legislation was contrary to that of the Torah, which would contradict his saying, I shall confirm the Torah which was before me. Razi, however, holds that there is actually no contradiction between the two statements because confirming the Torah can only signify the belief that all that is in it is true and right. If, moreover, the second purpose [of Jesus apostleship] is not mentioned in the Torah, his making lawful some of the things which are unlawful in it would not contradict his having confirmed the Torah. Furthermore, SINCE THE TORAH CONTAINS PROPHECIES CONCERNING THE COMING OF JESUS , then neither his coming nor his law would be contrary to the Torah. (bold and capital emphasis ours) Since Deuteronomy 18:15-19 is the only clear-cut prophecy about a prophetic figure to come after Moses, the Muslim claim that this prophecy refers to Muhammad cannot be sustained. This becomes even more evident when we take into consideration that this Prophet had to be like Moses in two respects, as the following citations indicate: The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend . Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent. Exodus 33:11 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, who did all those miraculous signs and wonders the Lord sent him to do in Egypt -to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel. Deuteronomy 34:10-12 This Prophet had to perform miracles similar to those performed by Moses, and had to know God face to face, i.e. have direct contact with God. Interestingly, the Quran also confirms that God spoke directly to Moses: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. Of some messengers We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;- S. 4:163-164 The following citations demonstrate that Muhammad was quite unlike Moses in these areas:

But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, "Why are not (Signs) sent to him, LIKE THOSE WHICH WERE SENT TO MOSES?" Do they not then reject (the Signs) which were formerly sent to Moses? They say: "Two kinds of sorcery, each assisting the other!" And they say: "For us, we reject all (such things)!" S. 28:48 Narrated Masruq: I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse: 'No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.' (6.103) 'It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.' (42.51) 'Aisha further said, "And whoever tells you that the Prophet KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW, is a liar ." She then recited: 'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.' (31.34) She added: "And whoever tell you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: 'O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord..' (5.67) 'Aisha added. "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 378) Narrated Masruq: 'Aisha said, "If anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen his Lord, he is a liar , for Allah says: 'No vision can grasp Him.' (6.103) And if anyone tells you that MUHAMMAD HAS SEEN THE UNSEEN, he is a liar , for Allah says: "None has the knowledge of the Unseen but Allah." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 477) Returning to the OT portrait of the Messiah, we are told: Listen, O high priest Joshua and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come : I am going to bring my servant, the Branch . See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will engrave an inscription on it,' says the Lord Almighty, 'and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day. Zechariah 3:8-9 The word of the Lord came to me: Take silver and gold from the exiles Heldai, Tobijah and Jedaiah, who have arrived from Babylon. Go the same day to the house of Josiah son of Zephaniah. Take the silver and gold and make a crown, and set it on the head of the high priest, Joshua son of Jehozadak. Tell him this is what the Lord Almighty says: 'Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the Lord. It is he who will build the temple of the Lord, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.' Zechariah 6:9-13 Rabbinic Judaism universally viewed the title Branch as a name of the King Messiah, the son of David, something which the OT affirms: A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him-the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord - and he will delight in the fear of the Lord. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist. The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will

feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious. In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth. Isaiah 11:1-12 And there shall go forth a King from the Sons of Jesse, and the MESSIAH shall be ANOINTED from his childrens children Targum Jonathan When the KING MESSIAH shall be revealed all the nations of all the world shall be gathered to Him. Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai The Messiah had one spirit which was equal to all the others put together according to Isaiah 11:1-10. Yalkut, Volume 1, p. 247d (Alfred Edersheim) The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land . In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: Yahweh Our Righteousness. Jeremiah 23:5-6 Notice that in this passage God states that the Messiahs name is Yahweh our Righteousness, implying that the Messiah is God. Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise up to David the MESSIAH, who is righteous, and He shall reign a King, and shall prosper, and execute the judgment of truth and justice in the earth. Targum Jonathan R. Joshua son of Levi, said: Branch is the name of the MESSIAH, for it is written, Behold the man whose name is the Branch, and he shall grow up out of his place. Midrash (Ezek. 48:35) What is the name of the KING MESSIAH? R. Abba, son of Kohana said JEHOVAH, for it is written, This is HIS name whereby HE shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Midrash (Ezekiel 48:35) Interestingly, Davids sons were also called priests: Benaiah son of Jehoiada was over the Kerethites and Pelethites; and David's sons were priests (cohanim). 2 Samuel 8:18 Since the Messiah is to be Davids greater Son it is little wonder that the OT indicates that he too would perform priestly duties. Being a royal priest, the Messiah would reign and intercede forever: Why do the nations conspire, and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the Earth set themselves, and the rulers take council together, against the LORD and His Anointed (Messiah), saying, Let us burst their bonds asunder, and cast their cords from us. He who sits in the heavens laughs; The LORD has them in derision, then He will speak to them in his wrath, and terrify them in His fury, saying, I have set MY KING on Zion, my holy hill . I will tell of the decree of the LORD; He said to me, You are MY SON, today I have begotten you. Ask of me and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Now therefore, O kings, be wise, be warned o rulers of the earth. Serve the

LORD with fear, with trembling kiss HIS SON, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way; For his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in HIM. Psalm 2:1-11 There are some who expounded this Psalm as referring to God and Magog: and that the ANOINTED KING is the MESSIAH. Rabbi David Kimchi It is a tradition of the Rabbis that MESSIAH, THE SON OF DAVID , who is to be revealed speedily the Holy One said unto HIM Ask of me anything and I will give it to thee, for it is said, I will declare the decree, etc. Today have I begotten thee. Talmud Babylon, Succah fol. 52 And: The Lord says to my Lord: Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, you are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:1, 4 Finally: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever . The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this. Isaiah 9:6-7 For to us a SON is born , to us a Son is given: and He shall receive the Law upon HIM to keep it; and HIS name is called from Old, Wonderful, Counsellor, ELOHA, THE MIGHTY , Abiding to Eternity, THE MESSIAH, because peace shall be multiplied on us in HIS days. Targum Jonathan Rabbi Samuel, the son of Nachman, said, When Esau met Jacob he said unto him, My brother Jacob, let us walk together in this world. Jacob replied: Let my Lord, I pray thee, pass over before his servant (Gen. 33:14). What is the meaning of, I pray thee, pass over? Jacob said to him: I have yet to supply the MESSIAH, of whom it is said: Unto us a child is born. Midrash (Deuteronomy 2:4) The OT also teaches that the Messiah would usher in everlasting righteousness and that through his death sin would be eradicated once and for all. The scriptures indicate that this was to take place before the destruction of the second temple: Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth . By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? FOR HE WAS CUT OFF FROM THE LAND OF THE LIVING; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth . Yet it was the LORDs will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life

a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light [of life] and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 53:1-12 Seventy sevens are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy . Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One (the Messiah), the ruler, comes, there will be seven sevens, and sixty-two sevens. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two sevens, the Anointed One WILL BE CUT OFF and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. Daniel 9:24-26 These passages proclaim that this specific Messiah is the Mighty God, the Son of God, the King of all nations, sits on Gods right hand forever, the Eternal Priest of God, and Gods prophet/spokesperson to the people. That Jesus is the one spoken of in these passages becomes quite clear when reading the New Testament: In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And he came to her and said, 'Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!' But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, 'Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High ; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his Father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of His kingdom there will be no end. Luke 1:26-33 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. Sovereign Lord, they said, you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David: Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his Anointed One. Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentil es and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed . They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. Acts 4:24-28 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished-he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus . Romans 3:21-26 Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was. So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, You are my Son; today I have become your Father. And he says in another place, You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up

prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek. Hebrews 5:1-10 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah , and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. For it is declared: You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: You are a priest forever. Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God throug h him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest meets our need-one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all WHEN HE OFFERED HIMSELF . For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. Hebrews 7:13-17, 20-28 When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all BY HIS OWN BLOOD, having obtained eternal redemption For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF . Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, SO CHRIST WAS SACRIFICED ONCE to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. Hebrews 9:11-12, 24-28 And by that will, we have been made holy THROUGH THE SACRIFICE OF THE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST once for all . Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, HE SAT AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD. Since that time he waits FOR HIS ENEMIES TO BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. Hebrews 10:10-14, 18 Seeing that the Quran teaches that Jesus is the Messiah and yet denies Christs divine nature and his role as priest and king strongly indicates that the author(s) of the Quran had no clue what the title Messiah implied. Had the author(s) known then he(they) may have hesitated in applying a title to Jesus which clearly demonstrates Christs uniqueness and preeminence over all creation. NISAR: Islamic Viewpoint Discussed The Christian Gilchrist writes: "The ultimate cause for the relative paucity of conversions from Islam is the Qur'ans vehement rejection of the Christian belief that Jesus is the Son of

God such as we find in the following verse: They say, "God hath begotten a son!" - Glory be to Him! He is Self-Sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! Say ye about God what ye know not? Surah 10.68 The Qur'an states that there is only one sin that God will not forgive, namely the associating of a partner with God. From this comes the belief that shirk, "associating", is the only unforgivable sin in Islam: God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin most heinous indeed. Surah 4.48 "I believe that this verse is probably the greatest barrier in the way of conversion from Islam to Christianity. The very word "partner" comes from the same root letters as the word shirk, namely yushraku, and in Surah 10.66 we read likewise of shurakaa, "partners", who are worshipped other than God. As it is only two verses lower down that we find the rejection of a son to God in such vehement language (Surah 10.68 quoted above), it is to be presumed that the Christian belief in Jesus as the Son of God is one of the express acts of shirk that the Qur'an sets out to denounce as the greatest of all sins. In Surah 2.105 the Qur'an expressly speaks of mushrikeen (associaters) among the Ahlal-Kitaab (People of the Book), a common title for Jews and Christians, and in Surah 9.31 both groups, especially the Christians who take the Messiah to be ibnullaah (the Son of God) and their rabb (Lord), are said to be those above whom Allah is glorified from their yushriknun - what they "associate" with him The only conclusion that can be drawn is that the Qur'an teaches that among the acts of shirk, the unforgivable sin, is the belief that Jesus is the Son of God. " Abdullah Araby, a Christian who wrote "A Christian Reads The Qur'an" states that Islam cannot accept the role of Jesus as the Son of God. This destroys the idea that the alleged eternal Son of God, one with the Father from all eternity who allegedly "became flesh and became a man". Looking at the Qur'anic verse below and his statement*: O People of the book! Commit no excess in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth, Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not 'Trinity': desist! It will be better for you. For Allah is One Allah. Glory be to Him: (Far exalted is He) above having a son." Surah 4:171 * "In this Qur'anic verse Jesus bears the highly-charged names the "Word of God" and "a Spirit proceeding from him". Both expressions refer to when Mary became pregnant through a miracle of God. But so that there will be no misunderstanding of the Qur'ans teaching on Jesus, the statement is preceded by an assurance that Jesus is merely the apostle of God, like Muhammad and many others. Besides this, the verse continues with an attack against the Trinity and an assertion that God does not have a son". One wonders why Christians play gymnast ics and word games with the references to Jesus as "his word" and "a spirit proceeding from him." Hence there is no Logos but rather a servant of Allah and Prophet. RESPONSE: One wonders why Nisar plays gymnastics and word games with the Quranic references to Jesus being Gods Word and a spirit proceeding from God. Since Nisar has evidently read the works of Gilchrist and Araby, then he is surely aware of the arguments set forth by these men in relation to the significance these titles have on the person of Christ.

For instance, to say that Jesus is Gods Word implies that Jesus is Gods self-statement, his selfrevelation. In other words, Jesus is Gods eternal and perfect statement that became flesh. Cf. John 1:1-14 The common Muslim explanation that Jesus is called Gods Word solely because he was created by Gods command makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Since if this were the reason then we would expect the Quran to call Adam the Word of God since he is said to have been created by God's command also. (Cf. S. 3:59) Yet, neither Adam nor anyone else is ever called the Word of God. Second, that Jesus is a spirit proceeding from God implies that Christ preexisted as a Divine Spirit. This becomes more evident in light of the fact that the same statement, a spirit proceeding from him, is elsewhere used in reference to Gods omnipresent Spirit: Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Success. S. 58:22 That this Spirit is able to strengthen a group of believers at the same time implies his omnipresence and omnipotence. This is perhaps why Abdullah Yusuf Ali can say that the Spirit is divine: Cf. ii 87 and 253, where it is said that God strengthened the Prophet Jesus with the holy spirit. Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by God with the holy spirit. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, `a spirit from Himself'. Whenever any one offers his heart in faith and purity to God, God accepts it, engraves that faith on the seeker's heart, and further fortifies him with the Divine Spir it, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human language the nature of God ." (Ali, The Meaning of the Holy Quran, p. 1518, f. 5365; bold and capital emphasis ours) Since Christ alone is said to be a spirit from God, this therefore implies that Christ is the Divine Spirit, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human language the nature of God. This is perhaps the closest the Quran comes in affirming the deity of Christ. These titles demonstrate the inconsistent and contradictory picture that the Quran presents of Christ. In one breath, the Quran vehemently denies the divinity of Jesus, going so far as to accuse those who would believe that Jesus is Gods divine Son of blasphemy. Yet at the same time the Quran attributes titles and qualities to Jesus that exalt him far above humanity. This conclusively demonstrates that the Quran is not from God, since God wouldnt give two conflicting and contradictory views of Jesus Christ. Nisar needs to face the music and deal with the fact that these Quranic titles pose major problems for the Muslim seeking to refute Christian beliefs. For instance, one such Muslim who evidently struggled with refuting the Christian assertions in regards to the divine implications of these titles was Ibn Kathir. In his commentary on S. 3:7, he notes: <So far those in whose hearts there is a deviation> meaning, those who are misguided and deviate from truth to falsehood <they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof> meaning, they refer to the Mutashabih, because they are able to alter its meanings to conform with their false interpretation since the wordings of the Mutashabihat encompass such a wide area of meanings. As for the Muhkam Ayat, they cannot be altered because they are clear and, thus, constitute unequivocal proof against the misguided people. This is why Allah said <seeking Al-Fitnah> meaning, they seek to misguide their following by pretending to prove their innovation by relying on the Quran- the Mutashabih of it- but, this is proof against and

not for them. For instance, Christians might claim that [Isa is divine because] the Quran states that he is Ruhullah [Sam- Spirit of God] and His Word, which He gave to Mary , all the while ignoring Allahs statements <He [Isa] was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.> [43:59], and <Verily, the likeness of Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: Be! and he was.> [3:59]. There are other Ayat that clearly assert that Isa is but one of Allahs creatures and that he is the servant and Messenger of Allah, among other Messengers. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 2, Parts 3, 4 & 5 (Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 253, to Surat An-Nisa, Verse 147), First Edition: March 2000, pp. 112-113; bold emphasis ours) Ibn Kathirs comments only highlight the major confusion and difficulty the Quranic picture of Jesus posed for Muslims in their encounters with Christians. Add to this list the following factors, and the Quranic confusion becomes more compounded: 1. Jesus is the only human to be conceived of and born to a virgin. Cf. 3:45-47; 19:16-20; 66:12 The common Muslim arguments used to explain away the significance of Jesus virgin birth are thoroughly inadequate. For instance, many Muslims claim that God caused Mary to conceive as a virgin in order to demonstrate his ability to create human beings in different ways. God created Adam without a father and a mother. God created Eve without a mother. God created Jesus without a father. And God creates everyone else from a father and a mother. This explanation fails to explain why God chose Jesus to be born of a virgin, and not someone else like Moses or Muhammad. Furthermore, seeing that Adam was the first human being it was not possible for him to be born from either a father or a mother. Likewise, since Eve was the first woman she could not have been conceived from a mother. Yet this was not the case with Jesus since God could have caused him to be born from a father and a mother. This makes Jesus virginal conception much more astonishing and utterly unique. In light of these considerations, we can see why the Muslim explanation thoroughly fails to adequately deal with this fact. 2. Jesus mother is the only woman mentioned by name in the entire Quran. 3. Jesus mother is the only woman to have an entire chapter named in her honor. 4. Jesus mother is preferred above all women. Cf. S. 3:42 5. Jesus and his mother are said to be a sign for mankind. Cf. 19:21; 21:91; 23:50 6. Jesus and his mother are protected from the touch of Satan. Cf. S. 3:36 The Hadith expounds on the meaning of this passage: Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab: Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 641) Muslim historian al-Tabari cites Qatadah as saying:

"Jesus and his mother did not commit any of the sins which the rest of the children of Adam commit." (Ayoub, The Quran and Its Interpreters, Vol. II, p. 94; bold emphasis ours) 7. Jesus alone is explicitly said to be honored or illustrious in the hereafter. Cf. 3:45 8. Jesus alone is said to be strengthened with the Holy Spirit. Cf. 2:87, 253; 5:110 9. Jesus alone is said to have created clay birds and breathed life into them, much like Allah breathed life into Adam. Cf. 3:49; 5:110 Instead of evading these points, Nisar needs to address each of them one by one. NISAR: Samuel Zweier writes "The Koran denies the Divinity and the eternal Sonship of Christ. He is a creature like Adam. God could destroy Jesus and his mother without loss to himself. Surah Maryam Ayat 35 & 36: "God could not take to himself any son.... When He decrees a matter He only says to it 'Be,' and it is." Surah Al-Imraan Ayat 51: "Verily, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created hint from the earth, then He said to him Be, and he was". Surah At-Tawba Ayat 30: "The Jews say Ezra is the son of God and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son God; that is what they say with their mouths imitating the sayings of those who misbelieved before. God fight them! How they lie". Surah Al-Maeda Ayat 19: "Infidels are they who say, Verily, God is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, who has any hold on God if He wished to destroy the Messiah, the son of Mary, and his mother and those who are on the earth together?" God has no son... "Say: 'If (Allah) Most Gracious had a son, I would be the first to worship." Al Zukhruf 43:81 It is completely unthinkable for God to have a son and therefore puts himself forward as the first worshipper of this son, who according to the Qur'an cannot exist. Jesus denies he told anyone to worship him... "And behold! Allah will say: 'O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, "Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say)." Al Maeda Ayat 116. RESPONSE: It is true that the Quran may say that Jesus is not Gods divine Son and that he is not to be worshiped, yet the Holy Bible affirms both these truths as we shall show. Nisars citations simply reinforce the contradictory and confusing picture the Quran paints of Jesus. NISAR: Jesus (PBUH) is merely human... "Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger..." Surah Al Maeda Ayat 75 "And behold! Allah will say: 'O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, "Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say)...'" Al Maeda Ayat 116 "Say: 'If (Allah) Most Gracious had a son, I would be the first to worship.'" Surah Al Zukhruf Ayat 81 "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He

begetteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him." Surah Al-Ikhlas 112:2-4 Allah does not "beget" meaning that Allah has no children either in a spiritual or carnal sense. Thus, Allah can never be the Father. Nor does he allow himself to be "begotten", i.e. does not take on human nature such as God the Son did when he became man for our salvation.

The term "begotten" was applied to the Son by the early Church Fathers. The Christian creed says: the only begotten son of God The Qur'an teaches that Jesus, who was certainly born of a virgin, was only human. The Qur'an also categorically denies that God revealed himself in Jesus and that Jesus was the Son of God. God has never begotten anyone "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten, and there is none like unto Him." Surah Al-Ikhlas Ayats 1-4 RESPONSE: Before responding to Nisars false claims, we would like to mention Nisars consistent plagiarizing of sources. For instance, Nisars comments regarding Allah not begetting is taken from my response to Akbarally Meherally which is found here: http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Meherally/mehB12_0.htm This is not the only time that Nisar has stolen citations from other authors without giving credit where credit is due, or asking permission. It is one thing to take citations from authors and reword them in order to adopt them into ones argument. It is quite another thing altogether to simply quote verbatim and give the misleading impression that the arguments are ones own. Second, to be more precise, the early Church Fathers applied the term monogenes to the Son, a term also applied to Jesus in the New Testament. (Cf. John 1:14, 18; 3:16; 1 John 4:9) Some English translators have translated monogenes as begotten, while others translate it differently. J.N.D. Kelly for example, whom we will be quoting, translates monogenes as unique Son. Third, it may be true that certain verses of the Quran emphatically deny Jesus divine Sonship and preexistence, yet it is equally true that other Quranic passages affirm his divine preexistence as we have already demonstrated. This concludes this section. Part two to follow shortly, Lord Jesus willing.

Looking at FALSE Christian beliefs in... Sam Shamoun

Son of God pt. 2

As promised, here is the second part of our response. Nisar claims: This Surah expresses the most important doctrine in the Qur'an, the teaching on God's oneness (tawhid). The Qur'an rejects every notion of trinity as irreconcilable with the doctrine of the one true God. God has never fathered a son. How Was The Son of God Conceived Luke 1:35 explains why Jesus was God at the beginning of His human life. The angel told Mary, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". Jesus was born of a virgin, His conception being effected by the Holy Ghost. Because

of this ("therefore"), He was the Son of God. In other words, Jesus is the Son of God because God, and not a man, caused His conception. God was literally His Father... "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son" (John 3:16). To beget means to father, sire, procreate, or cause. Jesus was begotten by God in the womb of the virgin Mary. Isaiah 7:14 also links the virgin conception with the recognition that the Son thus born would be God. In other words, at the moment of conception, God placed His divine nature in the seed of the woman. The child to be born received its life and the fatherly side of its nature from God at this time. From the mother's side it received the human nature of Mary; from the father's side (God, not Joseph) it received the nature of God. Jesus obtained His divine nature through the conception process; He did not become divine by some later act of God. The virgin birth of Jesus establishes His deity. RESPONSE: Nisar erroneously assumes that Isaiah and Luke place Jesus divine sonship at his virgin conception. Yet, an accurate reading of the texts in question would demonstrate otherwise: Nevertheless,

there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan-The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned For to us a child is

born, to us A SON IS GIVEN, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this. Isaiah 9:1-2, 6-7 Although Isaiah refers to the birth of the Messiah, he clearly states that the Messiah is also a Son that is given who is the Mighty God. This implies the Messiahs preexistence. This point is made explicit by the fact that Isaiah applies the title Mighty God to the true God Yahweh: In that day the remnant of Israel, the survivors of the house of Jacob, will no longer rely on him who struck them down but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob will return to the Mighty God. Isaiah 10:20-21 For Isaiah to call the Messiah Mighty God indicates that Isaiah believed that the Messiah is the eternal God Yahweh. Furthermore, Luke is clearly dependent upon Isaiah 7 and 9 as the following citations show: You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end. How will this be, Mary asked the angel, since I am a virgin? The angel answered, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. Luke 1:31-35 His (John) father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied And you, my child, will be called a prophet of the Most High; for you will go on before the Lord to prepare the way for him, to give his people the knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of their sins, because of the tender mercy of our God, by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven to shine on those living in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the path of peace. Luke 1:67, 76-79

The italicized portions highlight the fact that Jesus birth and ministry were a direct fulfillment of the Isaiah passages. This affirms that Luke did not believe that Jesus became Gods Son at the moment of his virginal conception. Rather, Lukes allusions to Isaiah show that the former believed that Jesus is the divine preexistent Son of God who had now come to deliver his people. Finally, it may be true that some Christians erroneously believe that the virginal conception made Jesus Gods Son. Yet most, if not all, informed Christians do not claim this. Rather, they believe that Jesus is Gods eternal Son and that Gods Holy Spirit miraculously conceived the human nature of Christ from the virgin. NISAR: Sons Of God In The Bible The term 'Son of God' was not solely given to Jesus Christ. As can be seen from the excerpts below this term was used commonly in the Old Testament to describe those who were close to God. Sons of God : Roman Catholic Encyclopedia The title "son of God" is frequent in the Old Testament. The word "son" was employed among the Semites to signify not only filiation, but other close connexion or intimate relationship. Thus "a son of strength" was a hero and a warrior, "son of wickedness" a wicked man, "sons of pride" wild beasts, "son of possession" a possessor, "son of pledging" a hostage, "son of lightning" a swift bird, "son of death" one doomed to death, "son of a bow" an arrow, "son of Belial" a wicked man, "sons of prophets" disciples of prophets etc. The title "son of God" was applied in the Old Testament to persons having any special relationship with God. Angels, just and pious men, the descendants of Seth, were called "sons of God" (Job, i, 6; ii, 1; Ps. lxxxviii, 7; Wisd., ii, 13; etc.) . In a similar manner it was given to Israelites (Deut., xiv, l); and of Israel, as a nation, we read: "And thou shalt say to him: Thus saith the Lord: Israel is my son, my firstborn. I have said to thee: Let my son go, that he may serve me" (Ex., iv, 22 sq.). The leaders of the people, kings, princes, judges, as holding authority from God, were called sons of God. The theocratic King as lieutenant of God, and especially when he was providentially selected to be a type of the Messiahs, was honoured with the title "Son of God".

Sons of God by Brother Mishael al Kandy

Let us begin by asking: How many sons does the Bible tell us that God Almighty has? 1. Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22. 2. Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14. 3. Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?). 4. Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 3:38. 5. Common people (you and me) are the sons of God: "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1. "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7. "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 2:1. "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 1:6. "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 6:4. "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" Genesis 6:2 (David speaking): I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. [Psalm 2: 7] As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people. Sons of God in the Old Testament by F. Rice A clear example of the term "Son of God" being used in Jewish scripture is that Prophet Solomon (peace be with him) is called "Son of God" in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), and is even quoted by God as saying he is His Son, in the book 1 Chronicles. The relevent passages are these: 1 Chronicles, chapter 17: [God is being quoted as speaking to Nathan, telling him to say the following things to David.] 13: I will be his Father, and he shall be my Son; 1 Chronicles, chapter 22: He shall be my Son, and I will be his Father. In the first underlined section, David repeats the words of God (according to the Hebrew Bible), that the person referred to will be the "Son of God". The second underlined part shows that the person who will be the "Son of God" is "you," that is, Solomon, to whom David is speaking. Finally, here is the third and last passage.... 1 Chronicles, chapter 28: [Here, David is being quoted about Solomon.] I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father. Here, again God is quoted as directly saying that Solomon is His "Son". These passages establish that the term "Son of God" is used in Jewish scripture to mean someone who is close to God, and in particular it is used for Jewish kings of the House of David. The term "Son of God" as used in Jewish scripture (such as for Solomon, peace be

with him) has absolutely nothing to do with a person being God, or having any share in divinity. It is a metaphorical term meaning someone who is close to God. Sons of God in Judaism by Shaikh Ahmad Deedat The Bible ascribes sons by the tons to God. (a) 'Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the SON OF GOD." GENESIS 6:2 and 4 (c) " . . Thus- saith the Lord, Israel is MY SON even my FIRSTBORN." EXODUS 4:22 (d) " . . and Ephraim is my FIRSTBORN," JEREMIAH 31:9 (e) " . . Thou (o David) ART MY SON; this day have I (God) BEGOTTEN thee. " PSALMS 2: As a Prophet Ezra was the heavenly Scribe and as a priest and a heavenly scribe like Enoch he would have been anointed like Jesus. Solomon: 1 Kings 1:39 "And Zadok the priest took an horn of oil out of the tabernacle, and anointed Solomon. And they blew the trumpet; and all the people said, God save king Solomon." David: 1 Samuel 16:13 "Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah." Jewish priests: Leviticus 4:3 "If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering." Ezra In Neh 8, Ezra appears again upon the scene at the Feast of Tabernacles as the chief scribe of the law of Moses, the leader of the priests and Levites who read and explained the law to the people.The Jews say "Ezra would have been worthy to have made known the law if Moses had not come before him." THE TERM 'SON OF GOD' IN A MONOTHEISTIC SENSE In the Tenach, the term 'Son of God' does speak of divine son-ship. Usually it is in conjunction with three specific groups of people (1) Angels (cf. Gen6:2; Job 1:6; Dan 3:25) (2) Israel (cf. Ex 4:22,23; Hos 11:1; Mal 2:10) (3) King Sam (cf. 7:14; Ps 2:7; 89:26,27) One of the most famous verses that illustrate this special relationship is "You are the children of the LORD your God" (Deutronomy 14:1). The sonship in reference to Israel means belonging in a special way to the Almighty God. Jewish Tradition refer to God as 'Avinu, Malkanu' meaning 'our father, our king' and such a metaphor describes the close relationship between Israel and God which is akin to how a father loves his son. God loves the just, and his love cannot be destroyed by sin. The King also in his capacity as a Son of God exercises authority over both the people of Israel and the nations and as such is restricted to the descendants of David.

In the Talmud, miracle workers were sometimes described as 'Sons of God'. God in the Old Testament is represented to have used for Solomon, as applicable to Christ: 'I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son'. By these words was meant that God would distinguish Solomon with peculiar favours, would treat him as a father treats a son. Here we have the term son of God being presented as a special relationship between the son and the father. It is a historical fact that the Israelites had borrowed from the Canaanite heathenism the statement 'sons of God' but used it only as a symbolic statement' to denote those qualities which recommend moral beings to the favour of God; those which bear such a likeness to his moral attributes as may be compared with the likeness which a son has to his father' those which constitute one, in the Oriental (Eastern) style, to be of the family of God. The Israelites were created by God and as such symbolically might be called His 'children', not literally. RESPONSE: Nisar basically thinks that by taking lengthy quotations from authors regarding God having many sons he will somehow refute Jesus unique divine eternal Sonship. Nisar is guilty of the fallacy of false analogy and the fallacy of equivocation. Although acknowledging that the term son or sons can have different meanings, he does not allow for the fact that Jesus is Gods Son in a completely different sense from the rest. Since Nisar realizes that terms may have different meanings in different contexts, we present the biblical evidence to demonstrate that unlike the others, Jesus is the divine preexistent Son of God, the One through whom God made all things and for whom all things exist: "All things have been delivered to me by my Father; and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." Luke 10:22 "He went on to tell the people this parable: 'A man planted a vineyard, rented it to some farmers and went away for a long time. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants so they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. He sent another servant, but that one also they beat and treated shamefully and sent away empty-handed. He sent still a third, and they wounded him and threw him out. Then the owner of the vineyard said, "What shall I do? I will send my son, whom I love; perhaps they will respect him." But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. "This is the heir," they said. "Let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours." So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. "What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.' When the people heard this, they said, 'May this never be!'" Luke 20:9-16 In this parable Jesus states that the prophets are the servants God and that Christ is God's beloved Son and the Heir of all the things. Continuing further: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son , that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not SEND his Son INTO the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. John 3:16-18 Yes, Lord, she told him, I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come INTO the world. John 11:27 All that belongs to the Father IS MINE. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you. John 16:15

All I have is yours, and all you ha ve is mine. And glory has come to me through them. John 17:10 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by SENDING his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, Romans 8:3 But when the time had fully come, God SENT his Son, born of a woman , born under law, Galatians 4:4 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of THE SON HE LOVES , in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. HE is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by HIM all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by HIM and for HIM. HE is before all things, and in HIM all things hold together . And HE is the head of the body, the church; HE is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything HE might have the supremacy. Colossians 1:13-18 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by HIS SON, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. THE SON is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. Hebrews 1:1-3 But about THE SON he says In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands . They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end. Hebrews 1:8a, 10-12 This is how God showed his love among us: He SENT his one and only Son INTO the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and SENT his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins And we have seen and testify that the Father has SENT his Son to be the Savior of the world . If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 1 John 4:9-10, 14-15 As the Son, Jesus has all the omni-attributes of God such as self-existence and omnipresence: Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to ] me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. Matthew 28:18-20 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD and those who hear will live . For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear HIS VOICE and come out -those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. John 5:21, 25-26, 28-29 Jesus replied, If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and WE will come to him and make OUR home with him . John 14:23

My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you . May they also be IN US so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I IN THEM and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I MYSELF MAY BE IN THEM. John 17:20-23, 26 As the Son, Jesus is the object of Gods eternal love: "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:17 "Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: 'This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!' " Mark 9:7 The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. John 3:35 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these. John 5:20 Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me BFEORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. John 17:24 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. ] In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will-to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. Ephesians 1:4-6 As the Son, Jesus claims to exist in the same diving glory of the Father and demands to be glorified by the Father: When he was gone, Jesus said, Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once. John 13:31-32 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: Father, the time has come. Glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him . Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN. John 17:1-5 Furthermore, as the Son Jesus demanded that the same exact honor given to the Father must be also given to him: "The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, EVEN AS they honor the Father . He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father WHO SENT HIM." John 5:22-23 This honor entails worshiping and praying to Jesus:

"Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified IN THE SON; if you ask ME anything in my name, I WILL DO IT ." John 14:13-14 This should sufficiently put to the rest Nisars attempt of using the Holy Bible to undermine Jesus divine eternal Sonship. NISAR: Allah Hath Taken A Son The statement of the fourth gospel that the Logos became flesh is a literal way of speaking. The truth is that the Logos took on flesh so much that it could be said he had become it. This is more like adoptionist thinking. RESPONSE: Nisar has obviously not understood what it means that the Logos became flesh. To become flesh affirms that the Logos took on a true human nature, becoming fully and truly human. Yet, prior to his becoming an actual human being the Logos already was fully and truly God in nature, having all the attributes of true Deity. Therefore, Johns prologue affirms that the eternal Logos who was truly God in essence, took on the additional nature of humanity. Since John teaches that the eternally existing Logos became flesh, indicating that Christ is an eternal Being, Nisars claim that this is adoptionist thinking is incredulous to say the least. Adoptionism teaches that Christ was became the Son of God through adoption at some point in his earthly life, i.e. at the Baptism, the Resurrection etc., something quite foreign to Johns Gospel. NISAR: The Logos became a hypostasis separate from God. Hence, he first came into existence. From the moment when he was begotten the Logos is a being distinct from the Father. (Something different in number, another God, a second God). But his personality only dates from that moment. There was a time when the Father has no Son. Wherefore in rank he is below God in the second place and a second God, the messenger and servant of God. Th e apologists Logos appears as the highest creature, IN SO FAR AS HE IS CONCEIVED AS THE PRODUCTION OF GOD. J. N. D. Kelly That they all (APOLOGISTS), Athenagoras included, dated the generation of the Logos, and so His eligibility for the title "Son", not f rom His origination from within the being of the Godhead, but from His emission or putting forth for the purposes of creation, revelation and redemption. RESPONSE: Nisar quotes sources without giving us a page number to verify the accuracy of his citations. Be that as it may, we reproduce the following lengthy quote from J.N.D. Kelly in order to demonstrate Nisars misquoting: The Apologists were the first to frame an intellectually satisfying explanation of the relation of Christ to God the Father. They were all, as we have seen, ARDENT MONOTHEISTS, determined at all costs NOT TO COMPROMISE THIS FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH . The solution they proposed, reduced to essentials, was that, AS PRE-EXISTENT, Christ was the Fathers THOUGHT OR MIND, and that, as manifested in creation and revelation, He was its EXTRAPOLATION OR statement. In expounding this doctrine they had recourse to the imagery of the divine Logos, or Word, which had been familiar to later Judaism as well as to

Stoicism, and which had become a fashionable clich through the influence of Philo . Others had, of course, anticipated them. In the Fourth Gospel, for example, the Word is declared to have been with God in the beginning and to have become flesh in Christ, while for Ignatius Christ was the Fathers Word issuing from silence. The Apologists originality (their thought was more Philonic than Johannine) lay in drawing out the further implications of the Logos idea in order to make plausible the twofold fact of Christs pre -temporal oneness with the Father and His manifestation in space and time . In so doing, while using such Old Testament texts as Ps. 33, 6 (By the word of the Lord were the heavens made), they did not hesitate to blend with them the Stoic technical distinctions between the immanent word (logos endiathetos) and the word uttered or expressed (logos prophorikos). Their teaching appears most clearly in Justin, although his theology is far from being systematic The Logos, however, had now assumed shape and become a man in Jesus Christ; He had become incarnate in His entirety in Him . The Logos is here conceived of as the Fathers INTELLIGENCE OR RATIONAL THOUGHT ; but Justin argued that He was not only in name distinct from the Father, as the light is from the sun, but was numerically distinct too (kai arithmo heteron). His proof, which he was particularly concerned to develop against Jewish monotheism, was threefold. The Words otherness, he thought was implied (a) by the alleged appearances of God in the Old Testament (e.g. to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre), which suggests, that below the Creator of all things, there is ANOTHER Who is, and is called, GOD AND LORD , since it is inconceivable that the Master and Father of all things should have abandoned all supercelestial affairs and made Himself visible in a minute corner of the world; (b) by the frequent Old Testament passages (e.g. Gen. I, 26: Let us make man etc.) which represent God as conversing with ANOTHER, Who is presumably a rational being like Himself ; and (c) by the great Wisdom texts, such as Prov. 8, 22ff. (The Lord created me a beginning of His ways etc.), since everyone must agree that the offspring is other than the begetter. So the Logos, having been put forth as an offspring from the Father, was with Him BEFORE ALL CREATURES, and the Father had converse with Him. And he is DIVINE: being the Word and first begotten of God, HE IS ALSO GOD . Thus, then, He is adorable, HE IS GOD; and we adore and love, next to God, the Logos derived from the increate and ineffable God, seeing that for our sakes He became man. The incarnation apart, the special functions of the Logos, according to Justin, are two: to be the Fathers agent in creating and ordering the universe, and to reveal truth to men. As regards to His nature, while other beings are things made (poiemata) or creatures (ktismata), the Logos is Gods offspring (gennema), His child (teknon), and UNIQUE SON (ho monogenes); BEFORE ALL CREATURES God begat, in the beginning, a rational power OUT OF HIMSELF. By this generation, Justin means, not the ultimate origin of the Fathers Logos or reason (this he does not discuss), but His putting forth or emission for the purposes of creation and revelation ; and it is conditioned by, and is the result of, an act of the Fathers will. But this generation or emission does not entail ANY SEPARATION BETWEEN THE FATHER AND HIS SON , as the analogy between human reason and its extrapolation in speech makes clear Elsewhere Justin uses the analogy of the impossibility of distinguishing the light from the sun which is its source in order to argue that this Power is indivisible and inseparable from the Father, and that His numerical distinction from the Father does not involve any partition of the latters essence. Tatian was a disciple of Justins, and like his master spoke of the Logos as existing IN THE FATHER as His rationality and then, by an act of His will, being generated . Like Justin, too, he emphasized the Words ESSENTIAL UNITY with the Father , using the same image of light kindled from light. The birth of the Logos involves a distribution ( merismon), but NO SEVERANCE ( apokopen) At the same time Tatian threw into sharper relief than Justin the contrast between the two successive states of the Logos. Before creation God was ALONE, the Logos BEING IMMANENT IN HIM as His potentiality for creating all things; but at the moment of creation HE LEAPED FORTH FROM THE FATHER as His primordial work ( ergon prototokon). Once born, being spirit derived from spirit, rationality from rational power, He served as the Fathers instrument in creating and governing the universe, in particular making men in the divine image .

The teaching of Theophilus of Antioch followed similar lines, although he frankly used Stoic technical terms appropriate to the underlying system of ideas. God, he wrote, having His Word immanent (endiatheton) in His bowels, engendered Him along with His wisdom, emitting Him before the universe . He used this Word as His assistant in His creative work, and by Him He has made all things . This Word is called First Principle because He is the principle and Lord of all things fashioned by Him . Again, dealing with the sonship of the Logos, he wrote: He is NOT the Son in the sense in which poets and romancers RELATE THE BIRTH OF SONS TO GODS , but rather in the sense in which the truth speaks of the Word as ETERNALLY IMMANENT (endiatheton) IN GODS BOSOM. For BEFORE ANYTHING CAME INTO BEING He had Him as His counsellor, HIS OWN INTELLIGENCE AND THOUGHT. But when God willed to create what He had planned, He engendered and brought forth ( egennese prophorikon) this Word, the first -begotten of all creation. He did not thereby empty Himself of His Word, but having begotten Him consorts with Him always. Like Justin, Theophilus regarded the Old Testament theophanies as having been in fact appearances of the Logos. God Himself cannot be contained in space and time, but it was precisely the function of the Word Whom He generated to manifest His mind and will in the created order. A rather fuller account is given by Athenagoras. In a famous passage, after stating that the unoriginate, eternal and invisible God has created and adorned, and actually governs, the universe by His Word, he goes on to identify the Word as the Son of God . Repudiating the objection THAT THERE IS SOMETHING RIDICULOUS IN GODS HAVING A SON , he protests that Gods Son IS NOT LIKE THE CHILDREN OF MEN, but is the Fathers Word IN IDEA AND IN ACTUALIZATION (en idea kai energeia). It was by Him, and through Him, that everything was made, and the Father and the Son FORM A UNITY. The Son being IN the Father and the Father IN the Son by the unity and power of the divine spirit, the Son of God is t he Fathers INTELLIGENCE and Word ( nous kai logos). To make his meaning clearer, Athenagoras then points out that, while He is Gods offspring, HE NEVER ACTUALLY CAME INTO BEING ( ouk hos genomenon), for God from the beginning, being eternal intelligence, had His Word (logon) IN HIMSELF, BEING ETERNALLY RATIONAL ( aidios logikos). A more correct account would be, that He issued forth (proelthon: again the idea of logos prophorikos) into the world of formless matter as the archetypal idea and creative force. In support of this he quotes Prov. 8, 22, The Lord created me as a beginning of His ways for His works, without stressing, however , the verb created. In a later chapter he speaks of the true God and the Logos Who derives from Him, dwelling on the unity and fellowship which exist between Father and Son; and elsewhere he describes the Son as the Fathers intelligence, Word, wisdom . There are two points in the Apologists teaching which, because of their far-reaching importance, must be heavily underlined, viz. (a) that for all of them the description God the Father connoted not the first Person of the Holy Trinity, but the one Godhead considered as author of whatever exists; and (b) that they all, Athenagoras included, dated the generation of the Logos, and so His eligibility for the title Son, not from His origination within the Being of the Godhead, BUT FROM HIS EMISSION OR PUTTING FORTH FOR THE PURPOSES OF CREATION, REVELATION AND REDEMPTION . Unless these points are firmly grasped, and their significance appreciated, A COMPLETELY DISTORTED VIEW OF THE APOLOGISTS THEOLOGY IS LIABLE TO RESULT . Two stock criticisms of it, for example, are that they failed to distinguish the Logos from the Father until He was required for the work of creation, and that, as a corollary, they were guilty of subordinating the Son to the Father. These objections have a superficial validity in the light of post-Nicene orthodoxy, with its doctrine of the Sons eternal generation and its fully worked-out conception of hypostases or Persons; but they make no sense in the thought -atmosphere in which the Apologists moved. It is true that they lacked a technical vocabulary adequate for describing eternal distinctions within the Deity ; but that they apprehended such distinctions ADMITS OF NO DOUBT. Long BEFORE CREATION, FROM ALL ETERNITY, God had His Word or Logos , for God is essentially rational; and if what later theology recognized as the personality of the Word seems ill defined in their eyes, it is plain that they regarded Him AS ONE WITH WHOM THE FATHER COULD COMMUNE AND TAKE COUNSEL. Later orthodox was to describe His eternal relation to the Father as generation; the fact that the Apologists restricted the term to His emission should not lead one to

conclude that they had no awareness of His existence prior to that. Similarly, when Justin spoke of Him as a SECOND GOD worshiped in a secondary rank, and when all the Apologists stressed that His generation or emission resulted from an act of the Fathers will, their object WAS NOT SO MUCH TO SUBORDINATE HIM AS TO SAFEGUARD THE MONOTHEISM WHICH THEY CONSIDERED INDISPENSABLE . The Logos as manifested must necessarily be limited as compared with the Godhead Itself; and it was important to emphasize that there were not two springs of initiative within the Divine Being. That the Logos was ONE IN ESSENCE WITH THE FATHER, inseparable in His fundamental being from Him as much after His generation AS PRIOR TO IT, THE APOLOGISTS WERE NEVER WEARY OF REITERATING . (Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines, revised edition [HarperSan Francisco, 1978], pp. 95-101; bold and capital emphasis ours) The following citations from Athenagoras regarding his views on the deity of the Lord Jesus and the essential Trinity are taken from A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, Hendrickson Publishers, Massachusetts, 1998, edited by David W. Bercot. All bold and capital emphasis ours: What is meant by the Son? I will state briefly that He is the first product of the Father. I DO NOT MEAN THAT HE WAS BROUGHT IN TO EXISTENCE. For, from the beginning, God, who is the eternal Mind, HAD THE LOGOS IN HIMSELF . From ETERNITY, He is instinct with Logos. However, [the Son is begotten] inasmuch as He came forth to be the Idea and energizing Power of all material things , which lay like a nature without attributes The prophetic Spirit also agrees with our statements. The Lord, it says, made me the beginning of His ways to His works. Athenagoras (c. 175, e), 2.133. (p. 104) The universe has been created and set in order through His Logos For we acknowledge also a Son of God . Athenagoras (c. 175, e), 2.133. (p. 113) The Holy Spirit Himself, who operates in the prophets, we assert to be an effluence of God, flowing from Him , and returning back again like a beam of the sun. Athenagoras (c. 175, e), 2.133. (p. 345) Who, then, would not be astonished to hear men called atheists who speak of God the Father, and of GOD THE SON, and of the Holy Spirit , and who declare both their POWER IN UNION and their DISTINCTION in order? Athenagoras (c. 175, e), 2.133. (p. 652) Christians know God and His Logos. They also know what type of ONENESS the Son has with the Father and what type of communion the Father has with the Son. Furthermore, they know what the Spirit is AND WHAT UNITY IS OF THESE THREE : the Spirit, the Son, and the Father. They also know what THEIR DISTINCTION IS IN UNITY . Athenagoras (c. 175, e), 2.134. (Ibid.) We acknowledge a God, and a Son (His Logos) , and a Holy Spirit. These are UNITED IN ESSENCE- the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. Now, the Son is the Intelligence, Reason, and Wisdom of the Father. And the Spirit is an emanation, as light from fire. Athenagoras (c. 175, e), 2.141. (Ibid.) Let us now summarize the testimony of the Apologists: 1. The Apologists all believed that the person of Christ is eternal, uncreated. 2. The Apologists all believed that the person of Christ eternally existed within the eternal Being of God as His Reason, Intelligence, Word, and Wisdom. 3. The Apologists all affirmed the personal distinctions of the Father and His Word, acknowledging that the two were in communion with one another.

4. The Apologists all believed that Gods eternal Word sprang forth from the Father, without severing from the source, to become the Fathers Agent in creation and redemption. It is at this point that the Logos begins to relate to the Father as the Son. These points prove that the Fathers were essentially Trinitarians in their beliefs. This means that Nisar has twisted J.N.D. Kellys statements in order to mislead his readers into thinking that the Apologists denied the eternal existence of Christ. Such shoddy scholarship is inexcusable to say the least, especially for one who constantly claims that such research has refuted my arguments. Nisar concludes: Orthodox Christians Repudiated Parrinder along with Gilchrist, and Cragg says some verses of the Qur'an in references to Jesus as the Son of God is a refutation of Adoptionist and Arians. But passages 169-171 in Surah An-Nisa is more pointed to orthodox Christianity. Some scholars accuse Nestorians of this heresy as well. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. Qur'an Surah Al-Nisa 172 RESPONSE: Nisar ends with a citation from the Quran as if the Quran carries any real weight for the serious historian or Christian. Suffice it to say, Lord Jesus willing, I will follow up this rebuttal with an examination of all the Quranic passages dealing with the deity of Christ and document the author(s) gross misunderstanding of essential Christian doctrine. This concludes this part. More rebuttals to follow shortly, Lord Jesus willing. NOTE TO THE READERS- Nisar has rewritten his article on Paul, which is obviously due to my complete refutation of his arguments. This is an implicit admission on the part of Nisar that he was unable to refute my points, and needed to rework his paper without even attempting to interact with any of my arguments. Yet even in this reworked paper Nisar still failed to establish his case and refute any of my points. He simply repeats the same tired assault on Paul. We leave it to the intelligent readers to read the articles for themselves in order to see who in fact as presented the facts.

Looking at FALSE Christian beliefs in... Jesus


Sam Shamoun

The following article is a response to the claims set forth by Nisar Muhammad which can be found here: http://www.answerchristianity.fsnet.co.uk/JC.htm We will omit material that has already been addressed in our previous rebuttals. All biblical quotations are from the RSV, unless noted otherwise. NISAR: The God of Jesus was a Jew. He was circumcised as a Jew. He lived as a Jew and prayed as a Jew. He performed the Jewish Rites. He was addressed as a Rabbi by the learned. Jesus the pious Jew celebrated Passover, he taught in the temples, he wore tsitsit and the fringe or tassels attached to the four corners of a robe. He showed regard for the temple by paying the half shekel tax. RESPONSE: Since historic Christianity has always taught that Jesus was a Jew, we really do not see the relevance of Nisars statements in relation to Jesus being God? Does Nisar assume that Jesus cannot be God in nature solely because he was also a Jewish man? Then this is his dilemma since the Holy Bible clearly teaches both truths, namely that Jesus is both fully God and fully human. More on this below. NISAR: "The question concerns Jesus a Galilean Jew of the first third of the first century, for whom 'God' would have a meaning specified by his background and the theological language of the time. By way of simplification (and perhaps oversimplification) let me say that I think by a Jew of that period `God' would have been thought of as One dwelling in the heavens - among many attributes. (Brown, Responses to 101 Questions on the Bible [Paulist Press; Mahwah, N.J. 1990) RESPONSE: Let us complete the quote that Nisar borrowed from one of my articles: " I would say that by that time (i.e. the last decade of the first century), under the impact of their quest to understand Jesus, Christians had in a certain sense expanded the meaning of the word 'God.' It no longer for them simply covered the Father in heaven; it covered the Son on earth. They had come to realize that Jesus was so intimately related to God, so filled with God's presence, that the term God was applicable to him as it was to the Father in heaven. May I emphasis that

this does not involve a change in Jesus; it involves a change and growth in the Christian perception of who he was. (Ibid.) And, Did Jesus have an identity which his followers later came to understand in terms of his being God? If he was God (and most Christians do agree on that), did he know who he was? I think the simplest answer to that question is yes. (Ibid. p. 99) It is clear that Raymond Browns statement in context wasnt denying the Deity of Christ, but was simply explaining why Christ never said he was God, or why others never asked him if he were God. Browns answer demonstrates that Christ, the Apostles and the NT wholeheartedly teach that Christ is God. NISAR: The God of Jesus was God (The Father). The God = The Father By God "The Father is understood the creator of the world and the sole reigning deity of the Old Testament as well as the first person of the Holy Trinity." In the New Testament the Jews claim that God is Our Father and Jesus said, it is the father, of whom you say... he is Our God. RESPONSE: Again, let us quote Jesus words in context: Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free. They answered him, We are descendants of Abraham, and have never been in bondage to any one. How is it that you say, You will be made free? Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, every one who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. I know that you are descendants of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me, because my word finds no place in you. I speak of WHAT I HAVE SEEN WITH MY FATHER, and you do what you have heard from your father. They answered him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, If you were Abraham's children, you would do what Abraham did, but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God; this is not what Abraham did. You do what your father did. They said to him, We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said to them, IF God were your Father, you would love me, FOR I PROCEEDED AND CAME FORTH FROM GOD; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? He who is of God

hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God. The Jews answered him, Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon? Jesus answered, I have not a demon; but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it and he will be the judge. Truly, truly, I say to you, if any one keeps my word, HE WILL NEVER SEE DEATH. The Jews said to him, Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, If any one keeps my word, he will never taste death. Jesus answered, If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is MY FATHER who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is your God. But you have not known him; I KNOW HIM. If I said, I do not know him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know him and I keep his word. YOUR FATHER Abraham rejoiced that he was to see MY DAY; he saw IT and was glad. The Jews then said to him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham? Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM. So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple. John 8:3159 In this passage, Jesus makes the following astonishing claims: 1. God is Christs Father, whereas he is not the Father of these unbelieving Jews. 2. God glorifies Christ just as Christ glorifies God. 3. Christ claims that his word has the sovereign power to prevent believers from ever dying (spiritually). 4. Christ existed before Abraham came into being, and came forth from God out of heaven. Compare: He said to them, You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he. John 8:23-24 Jesus then said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven, and gives life to the world Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY. The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. They said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, I have come down from heaven? John 6:32-33, 35, 38-42 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this

bread, HE WILL LIVE FOR EVER; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh. John 6:50-51 Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before? John 6:62 In that day you will ask in my name; and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from the Father. I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and going to the Father . John 16:26-28 5. Interestingly, whereas Jesus calls Abraham the father of these Jews, Jesus never calls Abraham his own father. Rather, Jesus shows that he is greater than Abraham since the latter rejoiced to see Jesus day. NISAR: Jews have worshipped God as a one undivided being; one single person; the father. The Jews believe that the father alone is God. The Jews believe only in one God; The God=The Father. RESPONSE: Typical of anti-Trinitarians, Nisar commits the fallacy of hasty generalization and equivocation, as well as non sequitur. He wrongly assumes that since God is often, but not always, used of the Father this automatically means that the Father alone is God. In so doing Nisar erroneously assumes that God and Father are interchangeable terms. Nisar then begs the question by asserting that since God is only one individual, namely the Father, Jesus therefore cannot be God. Whereas the term Father does refer to a specific person distinct from the Son, as well as the Holy Spirit, this is not the case with the term "God." Although often used of the Father, the term God is also used of the Son, as the following citations demonstrate: Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Imman'u-el. Isaiah 7:14 But there will be no gloom for her that was in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zeb'ulun and the land of Naph'tali, but in the latter time he will make glorious the way of the sea, the land beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations. The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 Fulfillment:

All this took place to fulfil what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel (which means, God [ho theos] with us). Matthew 1:22-23 Now when he heard that John had been arrested, he withdrew into Galilee; and leaving Nazareth he went and dwelt in Caper'na-um by the sea, in the territory of Zeb'ulun and Naph'tali, that what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: The land of Zeb'ulun and the land of Naph'tali, toward the sea, across the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles- the people who sat in darkness have seen a great light, and for those who sat in the region and shadow of death light has dawned. Matthew 4:12-16 And the angel said to her, Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end. And Mary said to the angel, How shall this be, since I have no husband? And the angel said to her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. Luke 1:30-35 And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High; for you will go before the Lord to prepare his ways, to give knowledge of salvation to his people in the forgiveness of their sins, through the tender mercy of our God, when the day shall dawn upon us from on high to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. Luke 1:76-79

A voice cries: In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for OUR GOD. Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of the LORD has spoken Behold, the Lord GOD comes with might, and his arm rules for him; behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him. He will feed his flock like a shepherd, he will gather the lambs in his arms, he will carry them in his bosom, and gently lead those that are with young. Isaiah 40:3-5, 10-11 Fulfillment: For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. Matthew 16:27 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; WE HAVE BEHELD HIS GLORY, glory as of the only Son from the Father. (John bore witness to HIM, and cried, This was he of whom I said, He who comes after me ranks before me, for he was before me.) He (John) said, I am the

voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord,' AS THE PROPHET ISAIAH SAID. John 1:1, 14-15, 23 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber; but he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens; the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out . When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers; but the sheep did not heed them. I am the door; if any one enters by me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. He who is a hireling and not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. He flees because he is a hireling and cares nothing for the sheep. I am the good shepherd; I know my own and my own know me, as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd. John 10:1-5, 7-16 The Jews answered him, It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God. John 10:33 Thomas answered him, My Lord and MY GOD! John 20:28 And to the angel of the church in Thyati'ra write: The words of the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like burnished bronze. I know your works, your love and faith and service and patient endurance, and that your latter works exceed the first And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve. Revelation 2:18-19, 23b For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Revelation 7:17 Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end He who testifies to these things says, Surely I am coming soon. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! Revelation 22:12-13, 20

Behold, a day of the LORD IS COMING, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in the midst of you. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations as when he

fights on a day of battle. On that day HIS FEET shall stand on the MOUNT OF OLIVES which lies before Jerusalem on the east; and the MOUNT OF OLIVES shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley; so that one half of the Mount shall withdraw northward, and the other half southward. And the valley of my mountains shall be stopped up, for the valley of the mountains shall touch the side of it; and you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzzi'ah king of Judah. Then the LORD YOUR GOD WILL COME, and all the holy ones with him And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one . Zechariah 14:1-5, 9 According to the NT, the Lord God that is to descend upon the Mount of Olives is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ!: And when he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come IN THE SAME WAY as you saw him go into heaven. Then they returned to Jerusalem from THE MOUNT CALLED OLIVET, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day's journey away; Acts 1:9-12 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed which no one knows but himself. He is clad in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses . From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords . Revelation 19:11-16 The preceding OT passages and their subsequent fulfillment in Jesus clearly demonstrate that the term God does not always refer to the Father. These examples also demonstrate that the OT prophets were aware that the one true God of Israel is multipersonal, something which we will expound upon shortly. Other passages where God is used in reference to the Son include: But of the Son he says, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades. Hebrews 1:8-9 awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1

Second, since Trinitarians believe that God is one undivided Being, it is therefore apparent that Nisar is attacking a straw man here. Nisar erroneously assumes that an undivided Being cannot exist or subsist in three distinct, yet inseparable Persons. Yet Nisar provides no arguments proving why this cannot be true. Third, it might be true that some (many?) Jews have worshiped God as one single Person, namely the Father, yet it is not true that EVERY Jew believed this way. Nor is it true that the Holy Bible supports the erroneous view that the Father ALONE is God. For instance, it was monotheistic Jews who believed in the absolute Deity of the Son and the Holy Spirit who wrote the NT. This clearly demonstrates that there were many Jews who worshiped God as a Triune Being. Furthermore, as was already mentioned, the OT is replete with passages demonstrating that the one true God exists as a multipersonal Being. For the sake of brevity, we will only highlight a few examples: Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomor'rah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; and he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. Genesis 19:24-25 Here, Yahweh on earth destroys Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from Yahweh in heaven. This is a clear reference to two distinct Persons as God. That one of these Persons is on earth can be seen from this passage: And the LORD APPEARED TO HIM by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men stood in front of him. When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the earth, and said, My lord, if I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant Then he took curds, and milk, and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree WHILE THEY ATE. They said to him, Where is Sarah your wife? And he said, She is in the tent. THE LORD SAID, I will surely return to you in the spring, and Sarah your wife shall have a son. And Sarah was listening at the tent door behind him. Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in age; it had ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. So Sarah laughed to herself, saying, After I have grown old, and my husband is old, shall I have pleasure? THE LORD SAID to Abraham, Why did Sarah laugh, and say, Shall I indeed bear a child, now that I am old? Is anything too hard for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you, in the spring, and Sarah shall have a son. But Sarah denied, saying, I did not laugh; for she was afraid. HE SAID, No, but you did laugh. Then THE MEN set out from there, and they looked toward Sodom; and Abraham went with them to set them ON THEIR WAY. THE LORD SAID, Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, seeing that Abraham shall become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall bless themselves by him? No, for I have chosen him, that he may charge his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing righteousness and justice; so that the LORD may bring to Abraham what he has promised him. Then the LORD SAID, Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomor'rah is great and their sin is very grave, I WILL GO DOWN TO SEE whether they have done according to the outcry which has come to me; and if

not, I will know. So the men turned from there, and went toward Sodom; but Abraham still stood BEFORE THE LORD. Then Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou indeed destroy the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; wilt thou then destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous who are in it? Far be it from thee to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from thee! Shall not THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH do right? And the LORD said, If I FIND at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I WILL SPARE the whole place for their sake. Abraham answered, Behold, I have taken upon myself to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes. Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking? Wilt thou destroy the whole city for lack of five? And HE SAID, I WILL NOT DESTROY IT if I FIND forty-five there. Again he spoke to him, and said, Suppose forty are found there. HE ANSWERED, For the sake of forty I WILL NOT DO IT. Then he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak. Suppose thirty are found there. HE ANSWERED, I WILL NOT DO IT, IF I FIND THIRTY THERE. He said, Behold, I have taken upon myself to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there. HE ANSWERED, For the sake of twenty I WILL NOT DESTROY IT. THEN HE SAID, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten are found there. HE ANSWERED, For the sake of ten I WILL NOT DESTROY IT. And the LORD WENT HIS WAY, when he had finished speaking to Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place. Genesis 18:1-3, 8-33 This passage has caused major problems for anti-Trinitarians such as Muslims, Jehovahs Witnesses and even unbelieving Jews. The reason being is that this passage clearly teaches that the true God Yahweh has appeared on earth to his servants in the form of a man, something that the preceding groups vehemently deny. In fact, this passage goes so far as to say that Yahweh actually ate food that was offered to him by Abraham! Furthermore, that Genesis 19:24 unmistakably identifies two distinct Persons as Yahweh God can be seen from the following passage: I sent among you a pestilence after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men with the sword; I carried away your horses; and I made the stench of your camp go up into your nostrils; yet you did not return to me, says the LORD. I overthrew some of you, as WHEN GOD overthrew Sodom and Gomor'rah, and you were as a brand plucked out of the burning; yet you did not return to me, says the LORD. Amos 4:10-11 Here, Yahweh states that Sodom and Gomorrah were overthrown by another entity who is God also.
Ho! ho! Flee from the land of the north, says the LORD; for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heavens, says the LORD. Ho! Escape to Zion, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon. For thus said the LORD of hosts, after his glory SENT ME to the nations who plundered you, for he who touches you touches the apple of his eye: Behold, I will shake my hand over them, and they shall become plunder for those who served them. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts HAS SENT ME. Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion; for lo, I come and I will dwell in the midst of you, says the LORD. And many nations

shall join themselves to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people; and I will dwell in the midst of you, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts HAS SENT ME TO YOU. And the LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem. Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD; for he has roused himself from his holy dwelling. Zechariah 2:7-13

According to this passage, Yahweh God is being sent by Yahweh God to dwell in the midst of his people! Gomer conceived again and gave birth to a daughter. Then the Lord said to Hosea, Call her Lo-Ruhamah, for I will no longer show love to the house of Israel, that I should at all forgive them. Yet I will show love to the house of Judah; and I will save them-not by bow, sword or battle, or by horses and horsemen, but by the Lord their God. Hosea 1:6-7 NIV Yahweh says that he will deliver Judah by Yahweh their God. This refers to Gods miraculous deliverance of Judah from the hands of the Assyrian King Sennacherib. The OT records the fulfillment of Gods promise: Then Isaiah son of Amoz sent a message to Hezekiah: This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: I have heard your prayer concerning Sennacherib king of Assyria. This is the word that the Lord has spoken against him He will not enter this city or shoot an arrow here. He will not come before it with shield or build a siege ramp against it. By the way that he came he will return; he will not enter this city, declares the Lord. I will defend this city and save it, for my sake and for the sake of David my servant. That night THE ANGEL OF THE LORD went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. When the people got up the next morning-there were all the dead bodies! So Sennacherib king of Assyria broke camp and withdrew. He returned to Nineveh and stayed there. One day, while he was worshiping in the temple of his god Nisroch, his sons Adrammelech and Sharezer cut him down with the sword, and they escaped to the land of Ararat. And Esarhaddon his son succeeded him as king. 2 Kings 19:20-21, 32b-37 God sent the Angel of Yahweh to strike down 185,000 Assyrian soldiers. This means that the God whom Yahweh used to deliver the house of Judah was none other than the Angel of Yahweh! We have already written extensively on the Angel, demonstrating from the Old Testament that this particular Angel isnt a creature, but is actually Yahweh God himself functioning in the role of a messenger. Yet at the same time the OT shows that this Angel is sent by another who is called Yahweh God, indicating that the one true God is multipersonal. We also presented evidence that this Angel is none other than OT appearances of the preincarnate Christ! For more information, we recommend the following article: http://answeringislam.org/Responses/Menj/tam1.htm Hearken to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am He, I am the first, and I am the last. My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together. Assemble, all of you, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The LORD loves him; he

shall perform his purpose on Babylon, and his arm shall be against the Chalde'ans. I, even I, have spoken and called him, I have brought him, and he will prosper in his way. Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there. And now THE LORD GOD HAS SENT ME AND HIS SPIRIT. Isaiah 48:12-16 Here, the Creator Yahweh God claims that Yahweh God has sent him and the Spirit, a clear affirmation of Gods Triunity! I will recount the steadfast love of the LORD, the praises of the LORD, according to all that the LORD has granted us, and the great goodness to the house of Israel which he has granted them according to his mercy, according to the abundance of his steadfast love. For he said, Surely they are my people, sons who will not deal falsely; and he became their Savior. In all their affliction he was afflicted, and THE ANGEL OF HIS PRESENCE saved them; in his love and in his pity HE redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled and grieved his holy Spirit; therefore he turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them. Then he remembered the days of old, of Moses his servant. Where is he who brought up out of the sea the shepherds of his flock? Where is he who put in the midst of them his holy Spirit , who caused his glorious arm to go at the right hand of Moses, who divided the waters before them to make for himself an everlasting name, who led them through the depths? Like a horse in the desert, they did not stumble. Like cattle that go down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD gave them rest. So thou didst lead thy people, to make for thyself a glorious name. Look down from heaven and see, from thy holy and glorious habitation. Where are thy zeal and thy might? The yearning of thy heart and thy compassion are withheld from me. For thou art our Father, though Abraham does not know us and Israel does not acknowledge us; thou, O LORD, art our Father, our Redeemer from of old is thy name. Isaiah 63:7-16 The Exodus of Israel is attributed to Yahweh God the Father, the Angel of His Presence (i.e. the Angel of Yahweh) and the Holy Spirit. Notice again that the Angel is given divine attributes and functions, being referred to as Gods personal Presence and the Agent of redemption. This is another clear-cut OT proof of Gods Triunity. NISAR: In the Bible the term God is used primarily as a name for the father. Hence every time that Jesus Christ in the New Testament refers to "the father", "Our Father", "Your Father", "My father", "heavenly father" this is a reference to the Lord God or God Almighty. RESPONSE: Nisar is correct that the Father is the Lord God and God Almighty. Yet the NT clearly teaches that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are also the one true Lord God and God Almighty. NISAR: Jesus himself was a pious Jew who called God "Father".

Father in the New Testament is called 'the God of....Jesus Christ'. The Father was the one to whom Jesus prayed. According to Christian theology, Jesus as the God-Man both prayed to the Father both privately in seclusion and in secret and in public. Father is the one Jesus called "My God." For Jesus God the Father was his "The God" (the deity). As a Jew he (Jesus) said we the Jews worship the father; hence The God (divine being) = The Father! The God of Jesus was not a Trinitarian nor a triune deity. The God of the Jews and Jesus only had a single one person in the GODHEAD; namely the Father. Hence The God of Jesus has become one of three. RESPONSE: Here, Nisar attacks a strawman since no Trinitarian has ever claimed that Jesus God is the Trinity. Nisar commits the fallacy of false dilemma since implicit in his statement is the erroneous assumption that God either refers to the Trinity or to the Father, but it cannot refer to both. Yet, in Trinitarian usage the term God refers to different things in different contexts. For instance, when a Trinitarian refers to the God of Christ, he or she means the Father. When a Trinitarian speaks of God being manifested in the flesh, God here refers to the Lord Jesus Christ becoming man for our salvation. The Trinitarian is not claiming that the Trinity became man, or that the Father or the Holy Spirit became flesh. Similar, the Holy Bible also uses the term God in different senses as we have already shown above and as Nisar himself notes: In the Bible the term God is used PRIMARILY as a name for the father Second, Jesus became a member of creation by partaking of human nature: Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same nature, that through death he might destroy him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage. Hebrews 2:14-15 By becoming man, Jesus relationship with the Father took on a new dimension since the Father now became Jesus God. Since Jesus retains his human nature, the Father will forever remain his God: For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself, and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man. John 5:26-27 Compare: But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; and he said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God . Acts 7:55-56

The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all men everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by A MAN whom he has appointed, and of this he has given assurance to all men by raising him from the dead. Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked; but others said, We will hear you again about this. So Paul went out from among them. Acts 17:30-32 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like A SON OF MAN, clothed with a long robe and with a golden girdle round his breast; his head and his hair were white as white wool, white as snow; his eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined as in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of many waters; in his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth issued a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying, Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one; I died, and behold I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. Revelation 1:12-18 Then I looked, and lo, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like A SON OF MAN, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand. And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat upon the cloud, Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe. So he who sat upon the cloud swung his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. Revelation 14:14-16 Other verses include: Brethren, I may say to you confidently of the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants upon his throne, he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, NOR DID HIS FLESH CORRUPTION. This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Acts 2:29-32 Brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you that fear God, to us has been sent the message of this salvation. For those who live in Jerusalem and their rulers, because they did not recognize him nor understand the utterances of the prophets which are read every sabbath, fulfilled these by condemning him. Though they could charge him with nothing deserving death, yet they asked Pilate to have him killed. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a tomb. But God raised him from the dead; and for many days he appeared to those who came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses to the people. And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers, this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee. And as for the fact that he raised him from the dead, NO MORE TO REUTRN TO CORRUPTION, he spoke in this way, I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David. Therefore he says also in another psalm, Thou wilt not let thy Holy One see corruption. For David, after he had served the counsel

of God in his own generation, fell asleep, and was laid with his fathers, and saw corruption; but he whom God raised up SAW NO CORRUPTION. Acts 13:2637 Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; THE SECOND MAN is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is THE MAN of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of THE MAN of heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:45-49 Indeed I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as refuse, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own, based on law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith; that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead But our commonwealth is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will change our lowly body to be like HIS GLORIOUS BODY, by the power which enables him even to subject all things to himself. Philippians 3:8-11, 20-21 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, the testimony to which was borne at the proper time. 1 Timothy 2:5-6 This concludes this part. Part two follow shortly, Lord Jesus willing.