Casey Anthony - Casey Anthony 7-16-08 Transcript

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TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED INTERVIEW CASEY ANTHONY CONDUCTED BY DETECTIVE MELICH CASE NUMBER 08-069208 July 23, 2008
Um, the date right now is July 16th, 2008, its about 1320 hours. Were at Universal Studios Im here with Sergeant Allen, um, Im here with Detective Appie Wells, um, also here with Casey Anthony. Q And Casey, we talked earlier this morning and were working a case looking for your daughter Caylee, is that correct? A Q Yes. Okay. We came here to Universal Studios, were sitting in little conference room. Obviously the doors unlocked. We just closed it so we could have a little privacy and talk to you. A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) And ah, couple more questions came up I need to ask you about. Remember our, how I opened this whole thing in the morning? A Q Yeah. About saying that you know we need to get complete truth and the snowball effect and.. and.,.. Absolutely. Q ...how it goes? Okay. Um, were about half way down that hill, three quarters down that hill and its a pretty big snow ball. Which means that theres a lot of stuff going on right now. A Uh-huh. (Affirmative)
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And I can tell you just for certainty everything youve told me so far has been a lie. I can tell you with certainty and let me explain why. Since I left you this morning.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Ive gone to every address that youve told me. Ive looked up every name, Ive talked every person that you.. you wanted me to talk or try to.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Ive reached out Ive talked to your ex-boyfriend, Ive talked to Amy. Ah, I talked to Tony. Um, I came over here Ive already talked to all the employees.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) And found out all these names youre giving me are people that either never worked her or been fired a long time ago okay. So, where we are right now is in a position that doesnt look very good for you.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) And this is gonna be your.. your escape hatch so to speak. This is gonna be the point where you stop all lies and you stop all the fibs and you tell us exactly whats going on.
A Q A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Im just being you know being straight with you. Yeah. Cause obviously I know and you know that everything youve told me is a lie, correct?
Not everything that I told you.
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Okay. Ah, pretty much everything that youve told me. Including where Caylee is right now.
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That I still, I dont know where she is. Sure you do. And heres... I absolutely do not. Listen to me let.. ....know where she is. ...me, let me.. let me explain something. Together with combined experience in this room we all have bout 30 years of doing this.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay both myself and Sergeant John Allen worked for homicide division for several years. Weve dealt with several people, weve conducted thousands of interviews between the three of us. And Appies 20 years so just between the three of us weve got several years. And I can tell you for certainty that right now looking at you I know that everything that youve told me is a lie. Including the fact that you know youre child was last seen about a month ago. And that you dont know where she is. Yeah I.. Im very confident just by having talked to you the short period of time that you know where she is.
A Q
I dont. You... you do. And heres the thing, we need to get past that because we could sit here and go back and forth all day long about I dont, I do, I dont, I do. Its pretty obvious that with everything that youve told us. Nothing had been true. You know where she is. Now my question to you is, is this. We need to find
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Caylee. I understand that right now Caylee may not be in very good shape. You understand what Im saying? A Q (No verbal response). She may not be the way we or the way your family last remembers her. We need to find out from you where Caylee is. This.. this.. this right now is just.. this had gone so far down hill and this had become such a mess. A Q A Q A Q A Q A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) We need to end it. Its very simple we just need to end it. I agree with you. I have no clue where she is. Sure you do. If I knew in any sense where she was this wouldnt have happened at all. You know.. listen. It wouldnt have happened whatsoever. This stuff about Zenaida the care taker or the nanny taking care of .. Its the truth. Its not the truth. Because we went to the apartment complex theres no person that ever lived there by that name. The apartments been vacant since March. That same apartment. Now the apartment that you pointed out to me the two story apartment. Thats an old folks home. Its right across the street from your ex-boyfriends house, who you never mentioned. And you said you wrote the address down because it was across the street. Thats a lie because Ive already talked to him and weve already been by the house and weve already you know looked at everything we need to look at over there. A Uh-huh. (Affirmative)
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Everything youve told us is a lie. Well, now theres a couple of ways that this goes. Right now we can you know we.. Ive never met you before. So, I can look at you in a couple of ways.
A Q
Hm. I can look at you as a person, whos scared. Whos concerned and whos kind of afraid of whats gonna happen because of something bad that happened before. Or we can look at you as cold, callous and a monster, who doesnt care. Whos just trying to get away with something that.. that something bad had happened and trying to cover it up.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Its gonna be one of those two options. Now as for much what Ive already talked to you. Okay you seem like a very bright young lady. You dont seem like someone who had no education.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Alright. Now what we would have to do is we have to determine which way is this gonna go. Are you.. are you a person whos scared about the consequences of what happened? Or are you scared about something that happened? Or are you, are you really this cold callus person, who doesnt care about what happened? Its one of these two options.
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Im scared that... I dont know where my daughter is. So... I would not have put my entire family...
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A Hold.. hold on I want to ask you something. Yes sir.
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Like he said you, you seem like a pretty bright person okay. Youre here willingly, right?
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Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Youre here cause you want, youre here to try help, right? Oh absolutely. Your whole reason for talking to us is, is to try to help, right? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Nobodys forced you to talk to us, right? No. You, you want us, you want us to... youre here because you called, you want us to help find your daughter, right?
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Now let me, let me ask you something. I want you to put yourself in, put yourself in some... put yourself in my shoes for a minute okay. Since youve talked to him this morning. In an attempt to try and help find your daughter, youve given him bad addresses okay.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) You drove me all the way out here. We walked from the gate back here all the way to your office, right?
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay. To the, to an office that you dont have. We got all the way to the building into the hallway out here before you finally says, well I really dont have an office here. But (Inaudible)... we were walking to your office, right?
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay so I mean does any of this make sense to you?
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A Q
I understand how all that sounds. I.. No, no, no, no, no, heres the problem with that though. Heres the problem with that okay. Um, you can carry the weight of this room for a long time its not gonna get any easier okay. What hes trying to tell you right now. Im gonna tell you, you know and in the amount of time that Ive done this, almost 30 years okay.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Ive learned this, people make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. We, every.. all the three of us have all made some mistake.. mistakes in our lives.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Weve done some things were not proud of okay. But then there comes a point in time you either own up to it, you say youre sorry, you try to get past it. Or you lie about it, you bury it, you lie about it, and you bury it and you buy it and it just never, ever, ever, ever, ever goes away.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay. Thats it okay. Now you know.. you know I want you to stop and think about whats going on here okay.
A Q
(No verbal response). At this point we can explain that youre afraid. You know that you were ashamed of maybe something bad that happened. You were afraid that maybe what happened. But now were giving you this opportunity and you continue to lie and you continue to lie. Then what happens at some point it becomes theres no excuse, theres no reason, theres no reasonable, a reasonable person can look at this and go wow, this is a person who really just doesnt care, okay. I mean, I mean think about what would go so far okay. You say you called us because
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you want our help. You want us to find your daughter okay. Im calling you and Im asking you for help. Im asking you to help me find my child. A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Thats been gone now for a month okay. And to help you, help me find the child, what Ive done to this point. Is Ive given you a bunch of bad addressed to go look at. Addresses and people that dont exist okay. Then I take you to a place where I tell you that I work okay. And I walk you past the security gate okay. All the way to my office that I dont have. A Q A Q A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay. You sort of get the picture? (No verbal response). Is this, is this, do you understand where were headed here? I understand. Okay. Now you know youre.. by hiding this. By burying this okay, you are not going to get yourself to a better place okay. What youre going to do is youre going to cause everybody else around you to suffer okay. And at some point this is going to come out, it always does. A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) It always comes out okay. Now your best bet is to try to put this behind you as quickly as you can. Go to your parents and tell em you know some horrible accident, whatever happened, happened. Get it out in the open now okay. Instead of letting them worry, and worry, and worry, and worry okay. How old are you? A Q Twenty-two. At some point okay, youre gonna want to.. to mend things with your family.
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A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay. You let this drag out for another three days, another week, another two weeks okay. You make us solve this some other way. Well solve it, we always do okay. Okay, I mean it.. it... theres no point in coming forward to say, oh my God this is what really happened, once we figured it out okay.
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Uh-huh. (Affirmative) You ever had anybody do anything wrong to you? Did anybody hurt... Of course. ... you in any way okay. Let me ask you a question. When somebodys hurt you in the past. And theyve come to you and said Im sorry okay. I really am, from the bottom of my heart sorry for what happened. Do you forgive em?
A Q
Yes. What about somebody that does something to you and lies, lies, lies, lies, lies. You forgive them?
A Q
Its a lot harder to sometimes. A lot hard to. Tell me the last time somebody hurt you over and over and then let you suffer for a period of time. And then lied about it then you caught em okay, well what.. when you caught em that apology didnt mean a hell of a lot did it?
A Q A Q
No. Okay. No. Alright. Right now your best bet is to just get it out in the open whatever happened, and tell us now okay. So, we can, we can kind of start getting past this. Try to help you explain okay. Cause keep in mind youre talking to people.
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Theres nothing youre gonna tell any of the three of us thats gonna surprise us okay. A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Ive had to sit down with.. with mothers who rolled over their babies accidentally. Ive had to sit down with mothers whose kids have drowned in swimming pools. Ive had to sit down with mothers who had boyfriends who beat their kids to death. Ah, you know who.. who felt horrible about what happened. And then try, and I had to go to them and help them try to explain to their families okay. And then Ive also had to deal with people who have done horrible, unspeakable things to children. And then lied about it and lied about it and lied about it okay. And Ill bet you somewhere near I probably dealt with somebody who maybe made a mistake, but continued to lie about it. Maybe they werent such a bad person. But maybe the whole world didnt see it that way. Maybe their family didnt see it the way cause they kept lying, lying, lying and lying about it. And then when it finally.. and then months down the road or days down the road when they finally decided to come forward okay. People were past it, you told me that you lied to me for the last time. I.. I wouldve listen to what you had to say. Dont talk to me anymore okay. A Q Yeah. Yeah we.,. weve had to you know weve had to go into court and try to help people explain situations. Weve had to go in court at times and say, you know the person just never said they kept lying to us and kept lying to us and lying to us and lying to us okay. Were all human beings.. A Uh-huh. (Affirmative)
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..okay. You tell me I mean youre...youre ... you know youre smart person, figure it out okay. So far the only thing that we can say for sure at this point okay. Is that you have lied to him about all these things.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) You brought us here okay. Alright, I want you to look at this from an outsiders perspective. Somebody somewhere down the road and we have to decide you know how this all plays out.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) What would you do? How would you see that person? How would you see that person different? You might see somebody, maybe a young mother who made a mistake and you know maybe initially was afraid to tell the truth. But at some point came forward and said, a horrible thing happened. Im sorry I feel terrible about it, but I have to tell you.
The horrible thing that happened is, this is the honest to Gods truth. Of everything that Ive said I do not know where she is. The last person that I saw her with is Zenaida. Shes the last person that I seen my daughter with.
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q A Q Um, see heres the problem and I.. Yes. ....think Sergeant Allen, Sergeant Allen is trying to get to this. Is we.. we know thats not the truth. We know.. A Q A (Inaudible)... Listen, listen... Absolutely is.
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...listen, we know that thats not true that cant be the truth. Because if that were the truth, everything you wouldve told us wouldve been on the money. The addresses you wouldve taken us wouldve been on the money. Everything else wouldve matched. If you had told us the truth, we wouldnt be here at Universal Studios at a place that youve been fired since 2006. With you trying to explain to us you know you got an office and all that stuff.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) We wouldnt be here. So, we know and this is the part we need to get past. We already know that youre not telling us the truth. That you know what happened to Caylee and you know where Caylee is.
A Q
No. But heres.. heres.. heres what were trying to get by is that theres... youre.. youre you fall under one or two categories. And Im sure he explained it and I explained it. Is that if this is something that an accident happened and, and no matter how you think people are gonna look at you. Theyre gonna look at you a lot worse if they show... it you continue to show that youre callous or not caring and that you just show complete dispassion and disregard for human life.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Or they can look at you as someone that, you know what, I can understand Im a young mother. Or shes a young mother, first child, something horrible happened. Shes thinking oh my God my life isnt going good right now. I already know my life is struggling. People dont see me in that great of a light, I know I got problems at home, Ive got problems with friends. I know I got problems at work, or lack of work.
Uh-huh. (Affirmative)
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All of a sudden something bad happens to my child, people are gonna think Im just the devil. See theres a difference between this person who makes a mistake and says, listen Im sorry this is the reason that I lied to you. This is the reason I was scared. Compared to the person who might sit here and say, I have no idea what youre talking about.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Theres a big difference there. And I can tell you now that everything youve told me is a lie. Everything that youve told me this morning from.. from.. from Zani from the addresses, from Universal, from all these people that youve talked to including people that you never told me their names. I found them and talked to them.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) You know everything that youve told me this morning is a lie. Every single thing. That theres one or two options right now. You need to tell me the truth and we can work with that.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Or if you continue down this path and continue lying I can tell that when this snow ball gets to the bottom of the hill. The only person whos gonna get hurt is you.
Uh-huh. (Affirmative)
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q Thats not true, a lot of people around you get hurt.
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q A Your parents. A lot of people are hurting right now. And ...
(SERGEANT ALLEN)
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Q A
And you know what, one person could put a stop to that. I been trying.
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q You havent been trying.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A Q A Q Wait a minute, wait a minute okay. Lets go through this again. Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay. Stop me at the part that I say its not true okay. Uh-huh. (Affirmative) I want to go through this and I want you to stop me at the part that isnt the truth okay. A Q A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) You take your daughter and you drop her off on June the 9th.. Uh-huh. (Affirmative) .. okay. At somebody, at a baby sitters house okay. Now this is a baby sitters that lives at this apartment okay. Thats been vacant... A Q A Q A I dropped her off at that apartment. Okay. At those stairs. Oh you just walked her.. you dropped her off... Walked her to the stairs thats where Ive dropped her off a bunch of other times. Besides.. Q A And.. ,.,just that day.
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Okay and when you dropped her off who.. who took her at that point? Zani did she took her at that point. You left her, you left her in Zanis care? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) On June the 9th? Okay, so far thats right? Yes. Okay. You first called the police about this when your mother and father okay. Ah, actually you dont call the police to report your daughter missing. What happens is your parents find their car has been towed
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) from Amscot and your parents ask you where your daughter is. And you tell your daughter.. or your parents that you havent seen your daughter for over a month, right?
A Q
(No verbal response). Thats true okay. So, I haven told anything... So, so far I havent said anything thats not true okay.
A Q A Q
Thats all true. Okay, sounds.. true sounds reasonable to you correct? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay. When the police do get involved okay, when youre, when youre parents involve the police in an attempt to locate your child because theyre worried.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) The first thing you do okay, is you lie to the detective whos job it is to try to find your daughter and get her back into safe hands okay. You give him all kinds of bad addresses to look at right, okay?
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(No verbal response). So, far Im on track right? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay. Then you bring out to Universal where you say you work in an office. Uh-huh. (Affirmative) To try to help find stuff that will help us find your daughter. Im on track so far okay.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) And we get here, we walk all the way down the hall to where you tell us, you dont really work here. You dont have an office here okay.
A Q A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) So, far everything Ive said is true correct? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay. Now that sounds reasonable to you okay. Im telling you this story, Im saying to you listen, I drop my child off five weeks ago at the baby sitters house. And shes just disappeared.
A Q
Hm. Now I didnt call the police and tell them. Matter of fact I made some attempts to locate her on my own. But I didnt really get the police involved or you know do anything like that okay. And oh by the way um, I got my mom and dads car towed and then when my parents asked me what happened to my daughter I told em I hadnt seen her in five weeks. So, they call the police okay. Now what I did is I lied to the police when they got there okay. I told em a whole bunch of crap that isnt true. Gave em a bunch of bad addresses to go look at, where I know
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my daughters not there. And I did all this to try to help find my daughter. Make sense to you right? A Q A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) That makes sense to you? (No verbal response). It makes sense to you that Im trying to help the police find my daughter. By giving em a bunch of bad addresses. That makes sense to you? A Q A Q Thats what I said, yes. No, no Im asking you, that makes sense to you. My ... That part of it, no not at all. My attempt to help him find my child okay. What Ive done to try to help him find my child. Is Ive given him a whole bunch of addresses to go to that are bad addresses. Thats what I did to help him try to find my child. That makes sense to you? A I took him to the last place that I seen my daughter. Besides that I took them to other places that I.. Q A Q Okay when you.. ...seen Zenaida. ...when you brought us here, when you brought us here to go look in your office. That was suppose to help us how? A Q (No verbal response). Cause everything were doing here is about finding your daughter okay. So, I want you okay, to explain to me how coming here to come to an office that you dont have I want you to tell me how thats helping us find your daughter. Because everything.. every bit of focus right now okay. You got three people
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here to try to help you, thats what were here to try to help you find your daughter okay. A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Alright. We came here to look for clues to look for evidence that will help us find your daughter okay. A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Now I want you to tell me how thats helping find your daughter. Were here to go.. to come search your office for anything that will help us okay. Were here cause you brought us here right? A Q A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Now I want you to tell me how thats helping us find your daughter. Its not. But.. but everything were doing is to find your daughter. Thats the most important thing in the world to you right now, right? A Caylees been up here maybe we could talk to security see if shes come through the front. I know shes come to the park. Shes gone to Disney. Shes been at Sea World. Q A Q A Q A Q A Whoa, ho-hold on Shes been to other places. Lets go back to, lets.. lets... Its... Were here. ...backwards way of... No its you know it... ... of looking.
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Why do you think its backwards? Its backwards cause you havent been truthful with us okay.
A Q A Q
Cause Ive been reaching. Youve been reaching, huh? Ive been reaching to try to figure out a place where she actually is. So, once again okay cause you never did answer my question. Your reaching and helping find her by bringing us here to this office that you dont have. Its helping us find her how?
A Q
Its... Because what youre doing right now, is youre doing everything you can to find your daughter. You have three experienced detectives right now, whose sole focus is here to help you find your daughter okay. And were here cause you brought us here, correct?
A Q A Q
Absolutely. You directed us here because were going to your office to find evidence. Hm. That will help us find her okay. Now that were here I want you to tell me how thats helping. What is it were doing here, whats helping us right now okay.
A Q A
(No verbal response). Well coming to an office doesnt exist. Its not helping.
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q A So, whyd you do it? Honestly I wanted to come up and try to talk to security. Maybe pass around a picture of Caylee. I legitimately have not seen my daughter in five weeks. I dont
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want anything happen to her. Except I trusted her with somebody. Somebody that had been taking care of her. That had been taking good care of her. Someone that she was comfortable with, that I was comfortable with. Q What about, what about Jeff you said Jeff worked here about ah, about two months ago? A Q A Q A Q A Q A Q No he hasnt worked here for quite a while. Ten months? How long? Its been at least ten months. Okay, he got fired in... (Inaudible)... ...2002. He hasnt been employed here since 2002. What about ah, the girl? Juliette? Yeah what about her? She left two months ago thats exactly what she had told me. Juliette Lewis never worked at Universal Studios.
(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q Yuri. Im sorry. Is the babys daddy actually dead?
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q Thats a good question. (Inaudible)...
(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q A Q A Q Would you... I... How do you.. how do... ... I still have a copy of the obituary at home. Alright, well youve told us some many untruths right now Im confused.
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A Q
Thats... Would your parents be upset if you had given the baby back to the daddy to take back for his grandparents.. for his parents to take care of?
He passed away last year. We hadnt even talked much before that. She....
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A Let me ask you this. Is the obituary in your office? No, I think I have a copy of the obituary at home. Theres no office so theres no anything anywhere weve made that clear already. Q A Right. So, if I have a copy of it still it would be on my computer at home. Im pretty sure I kept that. I dont think thats something I wouldve gotten rid of. (DETECTIVE MELICH) Q A Q A Q A Zanis never worked here. How do you explain that? She has an I.D, She has an I.D with her name on it. Just like you have.. Ive seen it. ...just like you have an I.D.? I do have an I.D., somewhere at my house. Both of my parents have seen it. Both of my parents know.. Q A Q A Q Just like you have an office. ....that I worked here. I used to have an office. Now, just like you have an office? No I dont have an office now. Okay.
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Q A Q
And were here to, to go to what, to do what? Were here because, why? Try and put things together. Well, were here in this building because.. weve put a lot more together then I think you realized weve put together. My question to you is, were in this office because.. we got here because.. we got here how, to do what?
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(No verbal response). Our purpose of coming here was to do what? Go where? I guess there wasnt a purpose. There wasnt purpose whatsoever to come up here.
So, were wasting time valuable time which ought to be spent looking for your daughter.
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Im trying to think of places... No, I... ....I know shes been. Youre not answering my question. Help me. You want us to help... Yes. ...help find your daughter? I do want you to help. Well then you need to help.. then... what.. a good starting point would be to answer the questions okay.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) If I say you were here because and then you just ignore that like as if I never asked it and go off on some other direction. Is that answering the question?
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A Q
No. Okay. Alright, lets go through this again. Were here because? We got here how? To do what?
Because I lied, because I brought you up here. And honestly I was reaching for...
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Now stop right there. ...another avenue. I want you to tell me how lying to us is going to help us find your daughter. Its not going to. Huh? Its not going to. Well then if.. if youre... if the main thing you want to do is find your daughter. And you dont think lying to us is gonna help us find her, why would you do that?
Because Im scared and I.. I know Im running out of options, its been a month.
(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q A What are you scared of? Im scared of not seeing my daughter ever again.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A Q A Q Okay and if youre scared... And Im honestly petrified ... ...if youre scared of not.. ....of not seeing her again. ...seeing your daughter again okay. I want you to tell me how lying to us is going to solve that problem and help find your daughter quicker. A Its not.
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Cause if thats what you want okay, obviously youre doing things to help us find your daughter, right. And I want you to tell me how lying to us is getting to that end. How is lying to us helping find your daughter faster?
A Q A
It isnt. Then why would you do that? See I dont know. Im telling you that I just dropped her off and that was the last time that I seen her. Even starting with that everybody else is like, well and what happened after that?
(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q A Q A Q A Q A Q A Q A Q A Q You ... That cant just be it. You remember the phone call you were telling us about? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Is that true? Yes. Did you actually talk with.. what day was it you talked to her? Yesterday. You remember what time of day? Around noon. It was from a private number. Okay whatd she tell you? Whatd your daughter say to you? She said, hi mommy. And thats it? And she started to tell me a story talking to me about her shoes and books and... Its important that you tell me. I mean maybe theres something in what she said that can help us figure out where she is. What did she say?
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A Q A
I tried to ask her where she was... Okay. ...and she just kept talking about the book that shes...
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A Right. ...reading. We have videos of her reading the story and shes telling me the story. Q A Q A Q A Q A Q So, she seemed happy and... (Inaudible)... a thousand times. Shes... ....she seem happy and... ...fine. Shes fine, shes happy? She seemed perfectly fine. She was telling... There was nothing in the background.. ...telling you about a book, that would seem not.,. no sign of any type of stress at all? A Q Not at all. Great thats wonderful. Let me ask you a question. Your daughter hasnt seen you in over a month and shes not, she... A She was excited, she was excited, sorry, to talk to me. But at the same time its crazy that she didnt get upset when she talked to me. Which... Q A Q Yeah. ..had it been my mom. Is that another thing...
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A Q A Q A
I know it would have been... ... is that another thing ... ...totally different. ....that makes sense to you? She never gets upset when she talks to me. Whether I havent seen her for an entire day or if I had to work late at night I didnt see her almost an entire day until the next one.
The last time, the last time somebody took her and you didnt see her for five weeks was when?
A Q
Never. Okay. Now you havent seen her in five weeks. She has not seen you in five weeks.
A Q
No. Okay. Shes been with this woman for... or somebody for five weeks. Hasnt been in her own home, hasnt seen her mother in five weeks.
A Q A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) That didnt upset her. She was fine. She was fine she talked about the, yall talked about the book. I mean is all that stuff youre saying true, right?
A Q A Q A
Shes always been like that though. Oh.. I dont understand.. Okay. ...how, but shes always been like that.
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Okay but Im getting that, but lets get back to, you say this had never happened before.
A Q A Q A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Shes never not seen you for five weeks. Huh. But now she... now after five weeks of not seeing her mother. Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Not talking to her mother okay. She finally talks to her mother after five weeks. Youre... you ask her where she is. You begin asking her these questions and she just wants to talk about the book, shes happy, shes not worried, doesnt seem upset.
A Q
Shes always like that. You can even ask my mom shes the same way. Okay, let me go back to the,, when was the last time you didnt see her for five weeks? When was the last time something like this happened where she was gone and you didnt see her for five weeks? The last time this happened when?
A Q A Q
Never. Okay so this is the first time Okay. This is the first time Ive been away from her for more then a day. Okay. The first time you ever been away from her for more then a day and she wasnt the least bit upset?
A Q A Q
No. When you talked to her on the phone that day? She wasnt the least bit upset when I talked to her. She went on about, you know I miss you mommy none of that I just.. she talked like you said she talked about that book and all that stuff right thats it?
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And when I asked her to give the phone to another adult to somebody else she was fine, she was willing to do it, but the phone hung up. She doesnt hang up phones. I know ...
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q A Q And thats the phone she called you on your cell phone? Yes. Can I see that real quick while you guys are ...
(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q Now if this is the first time shes ever been gone for.. away from you for more a day. Im a parent too. A Q A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) I wouldve been, I wouldve been just beside myself. I have been. I wouldve called the police immediately and thats the part that I just dont understand. We got.. A Q A Q I didnt know.. ...so many resources ... ...what to do. .. out there that we could help on day one.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A You didnt know what to do? I didnt know what to do. At that point Im thinking, okay they havent been gone that long. Maybe I can find them. Maybe I can track them down. Q A They havent been gone.. That first day...
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Q A Q A
...they havent been gone that long. That first day... (Inaudible)... right. No that very first day that all of this happened. That I went to pick up Caylee and she wasnt there.
Q A
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Initially my thought is that they went out to do something for a little bit. Maybe I just missed a phone call.
Q A
Right. Maybe I didnt get the call or the text message. Maybe something fell through the crack. Its happened before.
Q A Q
But now after ... (Inaudible)... Right I understand all that okay. I want you to focus on what were doing here okay.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Alright. Because I want to make sure we get this right. After, after having, after having not seen your daughter for five... or heard from or not knowing where your daughter was at for five weeks. She calls you on the phone. You have a conversation with her where she talks about the books and this other stuff.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) But then you ask her to speak to an adult and then she hangs up. Or the phone hangs up okay. Correct?
A Q
She cant ... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa hold on, hold on let me finish.
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A Q
Go ahead. Okay. You have this conversation with her after not seeing her or hearing from her for five weeks. The phone calls terminated. You dont get a change to talk to an adult okay.
A Q
Uh-huh. (affirmative) The very next thing you do after that is what? Call the police because now something really strange has happened so you mustve called the police right after that. Did you call the city police or do you remember who you called? Which police agency did you call yesterday?
A Q A Q A
I didnt call anybody at noon after I got that phone call. I sat down You... whoa. You didnt think that was odd? This con... you didnt think this.. I thought it was extremely odd. But not odd enough to call the police and try to get help. (No verbal response)
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q Let me, let me throw something in if you dont mind.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q Sure.
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q Um, Rick is in the office and Ricks finishing up the interview and that was actually Rick calling me. You know Ricardo right obviously your ex-boyfriend? A Q Uh-huh. (affirmative) We brought him down to the office and hes been talking to a couple of our detectives down there. And he was able to help us because hes telling us something obviously completely different then what youre telling us. And I was
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just able to tell him that pull the surveillance camera from the video across the street at the old folks home that you drove me by. A Q Uh-huh. (Affirmative) And ah, were gonna get it enhance to see if we an actually get some good detail on pictures and faces. But Ricardo was saying that you spend the night with him on the 9th and left on the 10th. And this is being, this is being corroborated right now, which again shows that youre continuously lying about the 9th being the day that ... A Q A Q A Q A Q I stayed over at... ....(inaudible).. ...at his house... And... ...on the 9th of this month. No. Not of last month. I was not at his place the 9th of that month. So, you stayed at your ex-boyfriends the 9th of this month when youre staying at your other boyfriends house, Tony the rest of the month? A Hed been out of town so I was staying over at another friends place while he was gone. I wasnt staying in his apartment. I was staying with Amy and Ricardo and JP. JP and Ricardo own the house. Q So, why didnt, why didnt you tell us you were staying there. We drove right by the house this morning didnt we when we went to,... A Q A (No verbal response). Okay and youre at this old folks home, which is another lie, right? Uh-huh. (Affirmative)
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Q A Q
Cause Amy never lived there. Am I correct? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay, why were you pointing at this old folks home and saying Zani lived there at one point when she didnt?
A Q A Q
Because she had gone there before I seen her there. She went to the old folks home? Yes. But you never dropped your kid off to her at an old folks home. You never went into the old folks home you went to an apartment with her.
A Q
No. Yet across the street from this old folks home right there on Glenwood is where Ricardo lives.
A Q A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) With Amy and JP. Uh-huh. (Affirmative) All of whom are at our station talking to our detectives right now. So, obviously you know were... were not stupid okay. And what youre doing right now is youre treating us like were stupid in which I take that you know to be a personal insult. I cant speak for them. Here.. heres where it comes down to. None of us are sitting here believing what youre saying because everything thats coming out of your mouth is a lie. Everything. And unless we start getting the truth, unless we start getting the truth were going to announce two possibilities with Caylee. Either you gave Caylee to someone that you dont want anyone to find out because you think youre a bad mom. Or something happened to Caylee and Caylees buried somewhere or in a trash can somewhere and you had
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something to do with it either way right now its not a very pretty picture to be painting. Either way, either way right now with everything that youre telling us. Youre painting yourself as a very bad person. Your familys gonna suffer for this. Your friends are gonna suffer for this. And remember what I told you about all these people coming? Theyre gonna crucify you for this. Because of all the lies that you been telling us. We need to stop that right now. Everything youve told us is a lie. Youre looking me in the eyes, youre looking at... everything youve told us is a lie. Every single thing. A Q No it isnt. And you cant.. Yes. And you cant keep sitting here and telling us the same thing and getting constantly over and over and over again we disproving everything that youre telling us. Youre telling us that you lied to us. Youre telling us youre giving us misinformation, everything youre telling us. Okay this needs to end. A Q A The truthfull think This needs to end. ...is I have not seen my daughter. The last time that I saw her was on the 9th of June. Q A Q A Q And what happened to Caylee? I dont know. Sure you do. You need... I dont know. Listen, something happened to Caylee. Were not gonna discuss where the last time you saw her. I.. Im guessing something bad happened to her sometime
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ago and you havent seen her. So, that part is true if you say you havent seen her because shes somewhere else right now. A Q Shes with someone else. Shes either... No shes either in a dumpster right now or shes buried somewhere, shes.. shes out there somewhere and her rotting body is starting to decompose because what youre telling us. And heres the problem the longer this goes the worse its gonna be for everyone, everyone. The worse its gonna be for everyone. Right now everything youve told us weve locked you into a lie. Every single thing that youve told us has been a lie. Were proving all that. Now right now its gonna be one of two things. Either we find Caylee alive, which is gonna help you out extremely by telling us the truth. Or we find Caylee not alive, which if you start telling us the truth. Might still paint you in a better picture. But heres where it needs to end. Heres where the truth needs to come out okay. No more lies. No more bull coming out of your mouth. Weve been very respectful, were taking our time and talking to you. But were tired of all the lies. No more lies. What happened to Caylee? A Q A Q A Q A I dont know. You do know. I dont know.... What happened to Caylee? ....where she is. That is the Gods honest truth. Okay, where was she last time that you put her somewhere? Where was she? The last time I saw her was on those steps at that apartment that I took you to this morning. This same apartment that I took the other officers to last night was...
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Q A Q A Q A Q A Q
But you didnt give her to ... ...the last time.. .,..any.. you didnt give her to anyone while you were there. I did. See (Inaudible)... No, cause... No. ...listen, listen... I... .... listen, listen, listen to me. We even pulled a surveillance video from an apartment complex and they have to keep this by law for several days okay. And were not seeing you over there. Were not seeing you there at all that day. You think that were stupid and were not gonna ...
A Q A Q
I know youre not stupid. ...do all this stuff. Okay. Thats.. Were not seeing you there so now if.. if youre not there and youre not being seen there and somebodys already saying that youre not there. And everything else youve told us is a lie. Thats telling me... Remember we had those, remember we had those two people that we were talking about the person who had an accident or made an accident or made a bad decision? And a person whos just a cold blooded callous monster. Thats telling me that youre the second person. This cold blooded callous monster..
A Q
Im not. ....who doesnt care and doesnt want to help because shes afraid that something so heinous happened. That everyones gonna look at her and say,
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shes a monster she deserves to go away, she deserves to never see the light of day this bad thing should happen to her. I dont want to believe that right now, but youre not giving me no choice. You understand youre giving me no choice. This is, listen, this is gonna be the opportunity that you have right now. No matter how heinous you think that what happened was to Caylee. This is your opportunity to tell us. This is gonna be your only opportunity to tell us. Because whats gonna happen, were gonna find out. Theres not gonna be a question were gonna find out okay? Weve got so many resources on this right now just like I told you would happen. That we.. what were trying to do is prove your story, but everything weve done is disproving your story. Every single thing. Everything youve told us weve shown you have lied about it. Casey has lied about it and were looking for your child. We got to throw these lies out okay. All these lies are out. We know that everything you told us is a lie. Tell us what happened to Caylee. Tell us what happened to Caylee. A I dropped off Caylee. And thats the last time that Ive seen her. I dropped her off... Q A Q A Q A Q A Q Where did you drop her off? I dropped her off at that apartment. No you didnt. Thats exactly where I dropped her off . No you didnt. And whod you drop her to? With Zenaida. No you didnt. Shes the last... Cause none of that...
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A Q
...person... No, thats not true.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A Zenaida give you any money that day? No. I would not have sold my daughter. If I wanted to really just get rid of her. I wouldve left her with my parents and I wouldve left. I wouldve moved out. I wouldve given my mom custody. (DETECTIVE WELLS) Q A What about the babys dads parents would you have left her with them too? I havent talked to them since we were probably six or seven years old. Since we were little kids. That was probably the last time I saw .. Q A Q A You dont have a phone... ....or talked to them. ...for em? No I do not. I would not have let anything happen to my daughter. Except I made the mistake of trusting another person with her. Thats it. (DETECTIVE MELICH) Q No, no, no.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q Whoa.
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q A Q A You.. you.. no.. no stop. You, you... That... ...you.. you made,.. Ive mad a lot...
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Q A Q A Q
Stop. ...of mistakes. Youve made a lot more mistakes... Yes. ...then that. Because everything that youve told us, every single thing from the point that you opened you mouth to the police officer this morning to right now. Everything has been a lie. Were sitting at Universal Studios because of a lie. Weve got all these other people in the station right now talking to us, because of a lie. Weve got all these other apartment buildings that weve got people that had to check on, because of a lie. Okay. We need to stop this lie. Your mother has called me countless times today okay. And thats why my phone keeps going off.
A Q
Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Countless times because your mother knows, your father knows, everyone around you know that you have lied completely and absolutely from the get go. Everyone knows. Why youre not coming out with it and why youre not telling us the truth, no one has an answer to. The only person that has an answer to that is you. And this is what were trying to implore upon you. You need to tell us the truth about what happened to Caylee. Its not that shes with someone and you didnt call...
A Q A Q A
Its the truth. Thats not the truth. It is the truth. Thats not the truth. You need to tell... Absolutely the truth.
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No its not the truth. See we cant get past that unless you go ahead and tell us the truth.
Theres nothing to get past because that is the truth. If there was anything...
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A Q Well, lets get past this. ....else something wouldve happened. Lets get past how we got to Universal Studios. Lets get past ah, why you talked to your daughter yesterday on the phone. Ah, having no idea where shes at and havent seen... and having not seen her for five weeks and you didnt call anybody. Did you just think that one day she just gonna show up at your house? A No I sat around yesterday trying to figure out what to do. Im glad that I ended up seeing my mom. That all of that stuff happened, happened for a reason because (Inaudible)... Q Youre glad you saw your mom. Let me ask you this. You couldve saw your mom five weeks ago, said mom I dont know where... You could have called your mom five weeks ago. A Q A I was scared. What does that mean? I saw my moms reaction right off the bat and it wouldve been the same from the get go. Q A Q Well, so youre more afraid... (Inaudible)... So wait a minute. So, youre more afraid of your moms reaction then you are if you ever see your daughter?
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No Im absolutely petrified. Absolutely petrified. I know my mom will never forgive me. Im never gonna forgive myself because theres that chance that I might not see Caylee again and I dont want to think about that.
Well let me ask you, let me ask how,.,. by lying to us and sending us all these goose these while goose chases.
A Q
(Inaudible)... Hold on a minute okay. I want you to tell me okay this is a, um, I mean is it, is there some other thing more important in your life right now that...
A Q
No. ...maybe that... Nah, but you just werent kind of, you just werent really focused on what you were saying when you told us? Yet kind of just accidentally told us you had an office here and we needed to be here cause we might find something would help? Or did you lie to purposely or did you purposely mislead us? Which if those two is it?
A Q
I purposely misled you. Okay so you purposely misled us. This was all an attempt to help find your daughter right?
A Q A Q A
No. That makes sense to you correct? Again and in a backwards sort of way yes. In a backwards sort of way. Im coming back to places that are familiar to me that I know are familiar to her. Familiar situations that maybe...
Q A
What did you think... ...just maybe...
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Q A Q A Q A Q A Q A Q A Q
How old is she? ... would help. Shes almost three. Shes almost three. In a month. What do you think shes gonna take a cab here? I mean... I know shes not. ...how did you think shes gonna get here? Because shes with someone else. If I could find her if... Shes with someone else. .... I could track her down. Wait, shes with .. This wouldnt be happening. Okay hold on a second lets put this together where it makes sense okay. Shes with someone else, whose hid her from you for five weeks.
A Q A Q A Q
Yes, Who let her call you on the phone yesterday, but then hung up. (No verbal response). But you brought us here today cause she might be here. She could be anywhere. Boy. Thats true, but why here? Why would ... let me ask you this okay. Why would a person, why would a person who has hid your daughter from you for five weeks okay. Bring her to the building that you used to work at?
A Q A
(No verbal response). I mean did you think wed walk in here shed be sitting in the lobby or.. No.
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Okay well you brought us here to find her right? (No verbal response). Cause you thought maybe some weird sort of what you said backwards way that we find her here. That this would help. So, Im asking you..
Maybe shes been here within the last five weeks. Maybe they have something from up front her coming through the turnstiles. I dont know.
So, you think that this person whos hid her from you for five weeks. Okay that had her call you on the phone yesterday and tell you about this book she was reading then hung up. Would bring her to Universal Studios? And this office in particular.
A Q A Q A Q
No in this office. Coming to this office... Well this is where you brought us. (Inaudible)... You didnt take us to the turnstiles did you? You brought us here, right? Youre right. Okay. Now when you, when you told him about these other places that were wrong earlier today. That was also an attempt to help us find her right?
A Q A Q A
These were other places that Ive gone to and either seen Caylee. Right. Or I know that her nanny has been too. And youre completely truthful with em about all that? Yes. I was completely truthful about those places that weve been to. Ive been to those steps thats where Ive dropped her...
Q A
Now were not talking about steps okay weve already... Im talking about the other places. The other houses, I know..
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The old folks home? Not the old folks home. Oh so that was not really all the way true? I know Zani has been to the old folks home. So, Ive never..
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q You know you pointed out, you pointed at the 3rd floor window and you said, well thats whats her names bedroom, and Zanis bedroom is right below.. is on the other side. Thats what you told me. So, that was a lie? A That was a lie.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q And that was gonna help find her how? Telling.. lying about, lying about that bedroom, where is Zanis bedroom that was gonna help find her how? Huh? A Q Its not helping. Then why would you do it? Cause we are... I mean thats what were here for right, finding her? A I dont know what else to do anymore. If I knew where she was if something had happened... Q A Q Well let me ask you this. .... I wouldve admitted that a long time ago. Do you think, do you think.. do you believe thinking up more lies to tell us will help us? A No.
(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q A Is your daughter in a better place No shes not.
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Q A
Are you worried about her? Im absolutely petrified. If she was with her family right now shed be in the best place. Shes not. Shes with someone that I absolutely do not trust. And Im absolutely scared that...
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q A That you dont trust yet was baby sitting your daughter for a year? I dont trust her now, because of what happened.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A What point did you stop trusting her? The moment that her phone was cut off and I couldnt get in contact with my daughter. Q A Q So, you thought man something aint right? Somethings wrong. And when you started thinking that something was wrong, which police agency did you call first us or the city police or who did you call first? Who did you go to for help first to help try to find her? A Q No one. No one okay, alright. Okay. Well Im glad we got that straightened out.
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q I cant think of anything else that I can say that.. thats gonna convince you on how to do the right thing... (SERGEANT ALLEN) Q Lets start.. let me talk to you outside about the surveillance tapes and maybe look back and give her a little bit.
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(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q Yeah. Not only that um, you want to turn it off help yourself.
(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q A Q A No thats fine. You want some water or something? No, Im fine. No youre good. My one goal is regardless of how it happened .. the thing is I dont care I will lie, I will steal or do whatever I can to find my daughter. Q A Q A Q A Q Well... I put that in my statement and I mean that with all of my heart. I know, but we dont want you, we dont want you to lie because ... No. ...we work off of truth. I know that. And, and we want to find your daughter as much as you do. And I dont think youre a monster or anything like that. I think you might have some pressures in your life. Who.. who put.. who exerts the most pressure on you? Like my parents used to do me. A Q A Q A Q A Um, my mom does absolutely. She,.. does she not think you care for your daughter good enough or... Its I mean ... My.. ...its kind of rough youre single.. youre a single mom. I live at home with my parents.
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Got to be rough. Got to be rough. Youll never live up to your mothers expectations right?
A Q A
At least not right now. Right. But that no way means that I would ever do anything or let any harm come to that child. Shes the one thing in this world that I love more then anything.
Q A Q
And I understand that and I believe it I see the tears in your eyes. Okay. (No verbal response). My concern is, is I know from my years of experience I know what, I know what young adults and young moms and dads can do when parents exert too much pressure on em. They dont live up to their standards, they dont... so not that you would hurt your child. But you might ah, because you.. if your parent just constantly talks down on you makes you feel like crap Youre not good enough...
Its not constant. I brought that on myself. The stuff that she says, the thing that she said.. shes been right about everything.
Q A Q A Q A
What kind of things did she say? She told me that I took advantage of her and shes right because... And how? ...for a very long time. How did you take advantage of her? By using credit cards. When I had my own money I still used some of her money. I went and bought material things for nothing.
Q A Q
Right. Whether it was things for myself, going out to eat. Right.
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Spend a little bit of times with friends or went and took Caylee shopping. For whatever reason I was extremely selfish.
Q A Q
Right. I was extremely selfish for a few years, quite a few years. What about, I dont know anything about this. Like I told you before I was just sitting at my desk and he said, hey come on. Something about a car at Amscot.
A Q A Q A Q A Q A
My car... What.. whats up with that? My car ran out of gas. I was driving actually to different places... Your car? My car yes. Okay. The car they bought from brother three years ago. Okay. Sucks because I ran out of gas. My gas gauge is obviously reading wrong. The sensor could be wrong.
Q A Q A Q A Q A Q
Right. It showed I had half a tank of gas, but it was empty. When did it run out of gas? Ah... What that before or after your baby was missing? Oh it was definitely after. Yeah. It was definitely after. And it ran out of gas in the parking lot of that check cashing store?
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No it was right at the corner of Goldenrod and 50. As you can turn, you get in that merging lane where Sams is and the Amscot.
Q A
Right, right, right. As youre going to get onto Goldenrod from 50 thats where my car stopped right there. So I had to get out, two guys helped me push it into that parking lot.
Q A
Okay. And I left two notes on the car even saying I was gonna come back and put gas in it.
Q A Q A
Why is your mother saying thats her car? Or is she? Is that what I heard? Its still in my parents name. Oh. It was my brothers car. He ended up that was the car they bought my brother in high school.
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Okay so they bought... He bought the bought the car, he paid off the car and then... And he sold it to you? ...he sold it to me. Yes. But not, not officially ... No. ....with the title transfer? My parents kept the title whether for insurance purposes or whatever else. They still kept it in their name .
Oh, okay. So, the fact that it was at the check cashing place its just coincidental because you ran out of gas?
Cause I ran out of gas.
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Its not like you went there... It wasnt on purpose. ....to cash a check. No I... You didnt go... ...didnt go... ...to the store... ... there to cash a check. No I didnt go into the store. Right. I wasnt abandoning my car. Right. Just happened circumstantially I ran out of gas. Right. I had to call my boyfriend Tony to come and pick me up. Hm. Well, if you were in our shoes what could we do to help you find your child? I dont know. What more can we do? Do you have a computer at home? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Did you ever send ah, whats the nannys name? Zenaida. Did you ever send her any emails or did she... Her email accounts bounce back. Ive tried twice I tried... Does she... ...twice this morning. .. does she... Have you...
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She had email. Even when, even when y all were in good times would she send emails back and forth?
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On occasion we would... Okay. ... talk online. Not usually three in the morning. So, we might be able to track her, we might be able to track her.. If I check my logs we could probably find her through instant messaging... What would be great is if we could have pour forensic computer guy. Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Take your computer with your permission and search it and he can probably track her by her AOL or whatever account and maybe see... cause shes got to set up another account somewhere where she goes.
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Oh yeah. Shes gonna... Would that be something... ...set up (Inaudible)... ... youd be willing to do? Im okay with that. Yeah. Cause I know that I have documentation on my computer somewhere. Okay. I have to. Well he can find it. He, what he does he makes a copy of whats on your computer so you dont lose anything on your computer.
Yes. That way he can just pull it.
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And then he can search through... And go through it. And ah, maybe theres some clues there as far as where this lady has gotten off to. Um, and when she was watching your baby. She helped you for a year and a half?
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Almost two years. Almost two years. Was she always in same building? Shed been at a house over in Andover Lakes for a while. That was one of the main things ...
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Was it her house or was it one she was sharing? No it was a friends house. So, it probably wasnt in her name? No it was not. Is that one of the addresses Yuri had? No. Not that house. Do you know that address? I do not know the address. Andover Lakes, where is that at? Off of Dean and Curryford. Okay. Thats out by, is McDonalds out there? Out towards Waterford. Yeah. (Inaudible)... Do you remember how to get to that house? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) So, we can get the address maybe do a title search or... Ohhh.
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But she was probably just renting a room or... I think shes just renting a room there for a while. She had a couple other roommates. I know the house wasnt in any of their names. I think they were just renting through
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Did you know any of those roommates? I have names I have two names for them. But nothing.. Have you given em to Yuri? Yes. Okay. What were those names? Raquell Ferrell and Jennifer Rosa. Okay. You had any contact with them? No. Have any way of getting a hold of their cell phone numbers? I never really talked to them much anyway. I think I probably saw them maybe a handfull of times.
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Right. Their schedules were completely opposite of mine. They were never really anybody that I met besides just in passing. Even with the boyfriend that Zenaida had last year.
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Right. I saw him maybe twice. Right. They only dated a couple months it was never anything serious. She never had him around Caylee or the other children she baby sat. So, it was never an
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uncomfortable situation. But this is so heart wrenching because there was never a sign. Never a single sign that this was gonna happen. Q A Q A Right. Do you know where she was from? With a name like Zenaida whatever. Zenaida. Zenaida. Shes mixed shes Puerto Rican and her fathers black. Shes from New York from what Ive been told thats where she was born. Q A Q A Q A Q A Q A Q A Right. She moved to Miami, she went to U of F You said you went to Colonial High School. Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Did you go to college afterwards or... Valencia. What.. how many years at Valencia? About a year and a half. Yeah and a half. I got my planning certificate. Yeah. Oh thats when you got hired on here at ah... Well I got that outside of all this. I just wanted do event planning period and working occasional events even before actually coming to the event department. Q A Right. Part-time or as a seasonal employee. Which is something I always wanted to do anyway. Q A Right. So.
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Hm, when you were growing up you take any medicines or anything? No. No. Ah, your baby take any medicines? No. She needed any medicine? Not at all. Shes good health? Shes had one cold and it lasted two days her entire life. Yeah. Wow. Shes been extremely healthy. Hm. Pediatrician? Whos your babys pediatrician? Dr. Silva. Did ah, these chairs arent very comfortable. No. You (Inaudible)... lay way back. Exactly Im not comfortable. I feel like Im gonna.. (laughs) Did the nanny ever take ah... No. ...baby to the doctor? The only people that were on the list was myself and both of my parents. And my dad he come with me to couple visits. My mom I think came to one. It was usually just Caylee and I.
Favorite place to go. Ah, I guess Universals one of em.
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Well as theatrical thing of course. Right. But she liked Jay Blanchard Park. Going to Lake Underhill and walking around the lake.
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Whereabouts in the park did she like the best? The playgrounds. Yeah. She liked to just attempt to run around Lake Underhill. She like to go and walk big trail at Jay Blanchard Park.
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Yeah thats a big trail. She loved that. Oh yeah. Yeah we just finished walking that trail. Thats where ah the jogger was killed I believe.
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Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Its a pretty park. My mom didnt want me going out there to run for that reason. Yeah. She didnt even want me running on the outside running around Chickasaw for the longest time because of that.
Trying to think when you pull into the park is the playground off to the right if youre looking at the creek or the river?
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Theres two playgrounds. Which one did she play at? Shes played at both of them. But usually the bigger one that stops where the Y is.
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Right. Thats the one she liked the most? Yeah. Cause theres more things to climb on and for her to run around theres usually a lot more kids.
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Yeah. So and theres swings. When was the last time she was there? The last time I know that she was there was the end of May. I took her in April a couple of times.
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Okay. Ive taken her a few times myself this year. The lat time that I know that she went with someone other then myself is the end of May.
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The end of May. And she last ... you last saw her June the 9th? Ninth. A Monday. Hmm. Do you remember what yall did on June the 8th? Its a Sunday. I cant think of what I did, but.. Anything significant? I think I mightve been at Tonys. I think my mom took Caylee up to see her parents in Mt. Dora. She either took up there that Sat or that Sunday.
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Whats Tonys... Its my boyfriends apartment. Oh okay. Mt. Dora, Mt. Dora, Mt Dora, Mt. Dora. Its just north of Apopka. Yeah. So, it was like a day visit? For my parents or for my mom, yeah. And...
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And my mom goes up there even just by herself or with my dad or I go up there with her. Its usually just ...
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Your mom will go .. its your.. your current boyfriend right? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) That what you said? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) So, your mom will go up there and she, she likes (Inaudible)... My mom will go up to Mt Dora to see her parents. Oh, okay. And your, your boyfriend (Inaudible)... live up there to. Theyre not.. No he lives off of University. Oh. Okay. I got you. So, your baby went up there with your mom to see... Yeah. ...her parents? See her great grand parents. Yeah. How old are they? Oh my grandfathers I think hes 88 maybe. Wow. And my grandmother is probably 82, 83. Hang on a second. Uh-huh. (Affirmative) (on phone) Im in an interview Mick. (off phone) Thats my partner. Hes going on a cruise to Bahamas I think.
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Nice. What is that three day, four night or.. Usually.
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...or four day three night or something like that. Yeah. Thatd be nice. I guess but I dont like boats. (laugh) So, man I just dont know everything that was asked of you and I just dont know how... Youre... youre our biggest help. Youre gonna be our biggest help in solving this.
I have nothing to go off of thats the problem. I have perspective ideas of maybe where she could go.
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Tell me. At the same time... She couldve gone back up to New York. She couldve gone up to Jacksonville where we have a friend. Couldve gone down to Miami where her mom and her sister live now. She couldve gone anywhere.
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Did she have any children? No. And were talking about the baby sitter right? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) She didnt have any children? No. Could.. could she have children? I... Is this something that she couldve done and... Im pretty sure that she could that was never anything that came up. But I men I...
Did she ever...
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(Inaudible)... ....when she was back did she ever make any funny, oh like I love this child you know and I wish you were mine or anything like that? Or...
Never that I have witnessed or anybody else had ever told me. She used to just say how much she loved Caylee and that she was such a good kid. And you know she was very, very proud of how she was being raised.
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Right. It was always, good praise, but more of things that I heard from other friends. Nothing that sounded out of the ordinary that was ever strange or weird.
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Right. But then this just happened. And she was nonchalant with me the morning of. Everything was perfectly fine.
And when you contacted, when you would call.. like you would drop baby off in the morning or for the day or.. was it cause you got to go to work and she was watching.
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Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Would you call during the day? Call her up during the day say... I would always call and check on Caylee or send a text message. Or if I was online just to make sure that everything was okay. She would occasionally call me just to...
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Can you get online here at work? Can you send text messages from work? Ii usually just use my phone. Oh okay. I usually text from.. well use my computer instant message from you know anywhere else where I have access.
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Well once again I mean that phone Im not an electronic geek. But I mean the phone might have some valuable clues in there that could help us try to track down.. maybe that...
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The only bad thing is it only saves 20 calls at a time. Ohhh. And text messages it only saves the messages that I receive it doesnt show anything that I sent. Thats why I pull up a list of stuff for them..
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Is that ah, Boost phone? No... What is that? ... its a Nokia. Its an AT&T phone its probably one of the cheapest.. cheapest , crappyest, simplest phones.
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But the phones.. (Inaudible)... But the phone company your service will have your telephone itemized for (Inaudible)... Right.
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Yeah I have everything. But ... Incoming and outgoing right? Incoming and outgoing. The thing is ... Do you have those itemized bills for ... Uh-huh. (Affirmative) I printed off the ones for July. Did you give em to Yuri? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Okay.
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We did last night. Actually I put them on a zip drive for him. I gave him my zip drive that has pictures.
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Okay. And it has two different word documents one has my text messages, when they sent to what number.
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Uh-huh. (Affirmative) And ones that I received. It didnt show the actually message itself. But at least showed texts were sent at this time to such and such number.
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Right. Um, the same thing with the phone list. I just need to go back through, go back on the Cingular website and find the other months.
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Right. They know shes had at least three different phone numbers in the last almost four years that Ive met her.
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Uh-huh. (Affirmative) And I know that she was on two different phone plans at... That shes lived in.. ...at two different times. ...places since.. Well... ...that you know of? Shes lived at a couple places. Since shes been watching your child? No shes lived just in Orlando since Ive met her. But she had just moved here.. At Andover Lakes. She lived... was she watching your baby there?
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A Q A
Yeah. And then in the ah, whatever this other place is or... Theres another apartment that she had been probably right about the time that I met her.
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Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Its Alafaya Club Apartments. Does Yuri know all that? Uh-huh. (Affirmative) Alafaya Club Apartments? So, she.. Shed only lived there for a few months. I think Caylee probably was only there maybe once or twice.
Did she live in the apartment that you dropped her off at the steps? Was that one of the ones she lived in or was that ah...
That was one of the places where we had met up a couple different times. I actually have a couple of friends that live in that complex so does she.
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Okay. A good friend of mine from high school still lives there. He has a one bedroom apartment.
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Do you know who... Right around (Inaudible)... ...do you know who her friends were in there? Where they lived or names or anything like that?
I do not. She used to talk about people all the time, but would never use specific names or really go into any detail about anything. And it never seemed weird some people are just very particular about giving out details or specific...
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Right. ... details about other people. So, I understood all of that, but looking back at stuff now the privacy, the way she was a little bit changing phones and...
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Uh-huh. (Affirmative) It just, it didnt seem right whatsoever. Right. So, looking back at any place that I know that she had ever gone to or that again would seem familiar for me. That maybe Ive gone to, to meet her to drop off Caylee or to pick up Caylee for that reason. Wed find mutual places sometimes.
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Right. Or Id go and pick her up at a grocery store if thats where they were. To try and make it a little bit easier.
If, if we found the nanny today and we found your baby what.. whats your biggest, whats the next biggest hurdle for you in your life as far as whos it.. maybe explaining something to somebody or who.. who.. whats the next biggest concern? I know your major concerned now is finding your baby.
Honestly thats all I care about at this point. And Ill... Ill take that necessary stuff with whatever with you know..
Who would that be? I mean... who.. whos gonna be the next hurdle in your life as far as trying to explain no Im not a neglectful mother. Im not you know ... is it gonna be your mom?
Myself. No, its gonna be saying that and proving that to myself everyday. My mom flat out told me yesterday she would never be able to forgive me. And I even told her, Im never gonna be able to forgive myself. Everyday Ive been beating myself up about this. Every single day.
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Right. Not knowing where to go, what to do. Running in circles literally cause its all I can do at this point.
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Right. Even if I wouldve had my car in perfect condition you know under perfect conditions. It wouldnt have mattered where would I have gone just... driven around for nothing? Thats what it feels like.
Yeah I just you know I mean I would hope this would never happen to you again. But I think if this ever...
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I would never.. ....happened again. ...let this happen. Ah, the very first.. If I ever (Inaudible)... ...phone call should be to the... Absolutely. ....the police. Be to the police. Cause we got so many resources. I wouldnt hesitate to talk to my parents this time if something happened. Right. I mean I learned the biggest lesson from all this. I made the greatest mistake that I ever couldve made as a parent and I even you know told Yuri that this morning and he said he couldnt disagree.
Right.
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(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q You going out?
(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q No Im just gonna stand up stretch my legs.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q Okay. Alright.
(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q Well I know you been in here a long time. Appreciate your talking to us and whatnot. I mean... A Q A Q Im sorry Ive given you guys the runaround. Were not, were not trying to be scary guys, were just trying to... Oh I know and ... Were just trying to make sure we get accurate information so we have something to work off of. A Q A Oh I understand that. Um... I just wish I honestly had more things to help with. Weve talked about going through my computer maybe trying to find past conversations through instant messenger or through emails, something. (SERGEANT ALLEN) Q A Okay. Ill offer up my computer in a heartbeat. Just like with my phone logs and everything else. Anything that could possibly help thats why we set up websites and have been making phone calls and trying to get a hold of people. I had such a limited number of people that I was actually trusting at that point thinking
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maybe they could help. They theyd have some insight. I didnt want to involve a bunch of people that maybe didnt know the situation. The biggest mistake was not calling you guys right off the bat. I understand all of that. Its the biggest slap in the face and I did that to myself. But the worse is Ive done this to my daughter by allowing her to still be with someone else. Q Yeah thats true. Um, youre right about that. By failing to notify somebody. And Im glad you realize that by.. by failing to notify somebody. Youve put your daughter at greater risks. A Q Even bigger risks. You put your daughter in terrible danger by just letting this drag out five weeks and not telling anybody. Thats ah, youre right Im not gonna argue with you there. A Q No. Okay. Ah you want to head back to the office and...
(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q Yeah.
(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q Yeah outside of ah, I want to bring this Zenaida up on the ah... Im gonna put that name in DAVID and see what we get. Better take a look make sure were... A Both of my parents were even saying to try to figure out all her names. Is she went by something else. (DETECTIVE MELICH) Q Let me, let me just go ahead because this still running I noticed it. Raise your right hand for me. Just like this morning. A Yeah.
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You swear everything youve told me is the truth now about the lies and ... Yes. ...everything else? Okay.
THIS TRANSCRIPT HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR ACCURACY Signed this 12th day of August, 2008.
_________________________________________________ DETECTIVE MELICH OCSO DEPUTY SHERIFF

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Not everything that I told you.

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(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q You havent been trying.

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(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q Yuri. Im sorry. Is the babys daddy actually dead?

(DETECTIVE MELICH) Q Thats a good question. (Inaudible)...

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(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q Sure.

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...person... No, thats not true.

(SERGEANT ALLEN) Q Whoa.

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What did you think... ...just maybe...

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(DETECTIVE WELLS) Q A Is your daughter in a better place No shes not.

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Cause I ran out of gas.

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Yes. That way he can just pull it.

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