2011.10.28 To What Extent Should Lessons Be Planned or Spontaneous

@stefras #mathchat NOW! To what extent should lessons be planned or spontaneous?
Fri Oct 28 00:01:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129709227215294465 - #4
@stefras Hmmm! #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:02:19 +0000 - tweet id 129709543776190464 - #5
@republicofmath @stefras So far as possible, teachers should plan, plan, plan IMO (then
be spontaneous) #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:02:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129709661283827712 - #8
@mathfour Hmm... so "To what extent should lessons be planned or

spontaneous?"#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:02:52 +0000 - tweet id 129709682515378176 - #9
@davidwees RT @stefras: #mathchat NOW! To what extent should lessons be planned

plan
or spontaneous?
Fri Oct 28 00:02:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129709696306257920 - #12
@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, not #mathchat ing yet? ;-)

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:03:18 +0000 - tweet id 129709791286276097 - #13
@ColinTGraham Today's topic: To what extent should lessons be planned or

spontaneous? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:03:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129709887461670912
129709887461 - #16
@davidwees #mathchat We need more lessons

lessons in math that start with questions students
have about the world.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:03:44 +0000 - tweet id 129709900564660224 - #17
@dweksler @ColinTGraham Hey, Colin. How's the weather? Dreary in NJ. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:03:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129709928985276416 - #20
@mathfour @ColinTGraham Nope - we seem to just be all repeating the topic.#mathchat

topic.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:04:01 +0000 - tweet id 129709971221921792 - #21
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham We're like students - lost without

hout our leader. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:04:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129709973902073856 - #24
@stefras @republicofmath I agree. Goals need to be set and processes of how to teach
decided upon. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:04:07 +0000 - tweet id 129709993669832704 - #25
@ColinTGraham For newcomers, sometimes things can move fast... so just interact with
one or two people. Don't forget the --> #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:04:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129710091749425152 - #28
Friday, 28th October 2011 To what extent should lessons be planned or spontaneous?
@stefras @ColinTGraham @davidwees @republicofmath Hi folks. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:04:33 +0000 - tweet id 129710106517577728
1297101065175 - #29
@mathfour @davidwees Would be fun to go into a math class cold. I did that with the
@literacyadvance students. Wass very neat. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:04:33 +0000 - tweet id 129710103652876288 - #30
@stefras @ColinTGraham @davidwees @republicofmath Hi folks. #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:04:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129710106517577728 - #32
@davidwees #mathchat It is impossible to script authentic questions

questions from students about
life.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:04:39 +0000 - tweet id 129710128516694016 - #33
@stefras @davidwees ANd which

which reflect what they see out of the window. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:05:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129710235588898816 - #36
@delta_dc We've been talking about thinking about the pivotal points necessary to make
progress toward goal #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:05:14 +0000 - tweet id 129710276651126785 - #37
@mathfour @republicofmath @stefras I think teachers should

should learn, learn, learn, then
spontaneously teach. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:05:20 +0000 - tweet id 129710302982971392 - #39
@MrWejr RT @davidwees: #mathchat We need more lessons in math that start with
questions students have aboutt the world.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:05:20 +0000 - tweet id 129710302219608065 - #40
@republicofmath @mathfour Oh, I agree. But still

still prepare, prepare - of which learning,
learning is part and parcel #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:06:23 +0000 - tweet id 129710565026299904 - #43
@ColinTGraham I thought I'd throw this topic in this week... it comes up in discussions
every now and then, and not often asked/explored! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:06:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129710695745982464 - #46
@davidwees #mathchat While there are important mathematical facts students should
know, we also need space for free exploration.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:06:56 +0000 - tweet id 129710702846935040
1297107028 - #47
@delta_dc I think we need learning plans not lesson plans. How are we going to support
learning? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:07:04 +0000 - tweet id 129710737743560704 - #49
@padgets #mathchat Hi everybody! My name is Sharon and I am a HS science teacher
from Iowa lurking and a learning
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:07:05 +0000 - tweet id 129710744206970881
129710744206970 - #51
@stefras @mathfour @davidwees I do this everytime. SO long as I know what the

purpose of the class is, I can take iti from there. (sub) #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:07:17 +0000 - tweet id 129710792143683584 - #55
@ColinTGraham @stefras @davidwees @republicofmath @padgets Hi all!#mathchat

all!
Fri Oct 28 00:07:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129710851069452288 - #58
@davidwees #mathchat The math facts which I'm most

most proud of knowing came from my
own explorations.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:07:48 +0000 - tweet id 129710921445670912 - #59
@gaw101 “@davidwees: #mathchat We need more lessons in math that start with
questions students have about the world.” would increase engagement
Fri Oct 28 00:07:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129710941146320896
12971 - #62
@stefras @davidwees SO are you asking if students can create authentic

questions?#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:07:57 +0000 - tweet id 129710960305905664 - #63
@mathfour @padgets Hey there! #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:08:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129710976718209024 - #66
@RiazAbdulla RT @davidwees: #mathchat The math facts which I'm most proud of
knowing came from my own explorations.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:08:29 +0000 - tweet id 129711093542158337 - #67
@RiazAbdulla RT @davidwees: #mathchat The math facts which I'm most proud of
Fri Oct 28 00:08:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711093542158337 - #68
@republicofmath BTW log(x^2)=2log(x)+2*i*pi*floor(1/2-arg(x0/Pi)

log(x^2)=2log(x)+2*i*pi*floor(1/2 arg(x0/Pi) in general @mathfour
#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:08:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711101490376704 - #70
@mathfour @republicofmath Perhaps. But prepare and learn tend to look differently to
many. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:08:43 +0000 - tweet id 129711151742332928 - #71
@stefras @mathfour Spontaneous teaching is fine, but a well planned and executed class
can be spectacular. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:09:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711292129873920 - #74
@padgets @mathfour @ColinTGraham #mathchat hey there :0)
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:09:21 +0000 - tweet id 129711312191238144 - #75
@mathfour @delta_dc Aren't

Aren't you just getting into semantics now? I appreciate it, but
many won't get it. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:09:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711317211815936 - #78
@ColinTGraham Two questions/points... plans should not always be set in concrete; they
often go wrong. Lack of structure can be disconcerting. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:09:28 +0000 - tweet id 129711341714948098 - #79
@stefras @ColinTGraham Good choice. Love the topic. #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:09:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711421113110528 - #82
@mathfour For sure! RT @davidwees: #mathchat The math facts which I'm most proud of
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:09:49 +0000 - tweet id 129711431477248000 - #83
@republicofmath @mathfour Hmm! I wasn't prepared for that distinction. Something to

learn? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:09:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711434664914945 - #86
@davidwees @stefras No, I know they can. My son asked me recently why 1 followed by
a 2 is twelve. Answering this leads to place value. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:09:56 +0000 - tweet id 129711457762942976 - #87
@LinaSouid @stefras @davidwees I'm afraid that students can't create authentic
questions like a teacher can. They can make suggestions. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:09:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711464125710336
29711464125710336 - #90
@delta_dc @mathfour Wouldn't be the first time I'd been accused of semantics - put
sometimes splitting hairs matters. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:10:15 +0000 - tweet id 129711540046790656 - #91
@mathheadinc @LinaSouid Authentic student questions here:

www.mathman.biz#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:10:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711600209895424
12971160020989542 - #94
@stefras Like this concept. RT @delta_dc: I think we need learning plans not lesson
plans. How are we going to support
suppor learning? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:10:40 +0000 - tweet id 129711644690493441 - #95
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham I always start out with a 'plan' or road-map

road of what is
possible. Rarely is followed to the letter. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:10:48 +0000 - tweet id 129711678731460608 - #97
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc Ah, who decides the 'learning plan'... usually
usuall too many are
based around content/product rather than process #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:10:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711703205228545 - #100
@mathfour @republicofmath You always know the right thing to say to a girl (re: log(x^2))
#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:11:14 +0000 - tweet id 129711787795955712 - #101
@davidwees @ColinTGraham I agree. An inflexible plan

plan is often a disaster in the
classroom. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:11:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711851897491456 - #104
@ColinTGraham Pride from your sense of achievement? RT @davidwees: #mathchatThe

math facts which I'm most proud of knowing
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:11:35 +0000 - tweet id 129711875930865665 - #105
@LinaSouid @stefras @delta_dc

delta_dc Agreed! RT Like this concept. RT @delta_dc: I think we
need learning plans not lesson plans. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:11:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711924664471552 - #108
@mathfour @stefras My spontaneous teaching is much more spectacular (and

sometimes spectacularly disastrous :D) #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:12:01 +0000 - tweet id 129711984588492801 - #109
@stefras @padgets Hi Sharon #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:12:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129711991332945920 - #112
@Mr_Brett_Clark RT @davidwees: #mathchat We need more lessons in math that start

with questions students have about the world.
wo
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:12:13 +0000 - tweet id 129712032298696704 - #113
@delta_dc What do we do about it? >> MT @ColinTGraham:

@ColinTGraham: who decides the 'learning
plan' too many based around product rather than process #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:12:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712059427467266 - #116
@davidwees @LinaSouid @stefras I'm not saying there isn't space for questions
suggested by the teacher. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:12:24 +0000 - tweet id 129712079874695169 - #117
@dborkovitz @davidwees
vidwees Surprised/delighted -- matrices as understanding how
computer graphics works, student said always wondered that. Yay! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:12:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712102033211393
129712 - #120
@ColinTGraham @LinaSouid Presumably the 'road map' idea has a specific (single?)
destination in mind, though... #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:12:32 +0000 - tweet id 129712115593392128 - #121
@mathfour @LinaSouid @stefras @davidwees Students have the MOST authentic
questions. A teacher contrives them, only! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:13:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712282434404352 - #124
@mathfour @delta_dc Yeah - for sure. But I'm kinda into the wingin' it way. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:13:38 +0000 - tweet id 129712391549231104 - #125
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc You can adjust 'planning' to understand/explore why

particular end-points
points are seen as being necessary. Introduce process #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:14:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712499523194880 - #128
@midhamohit RT @gaw101: “@davidwees: #mathchat We need more lessons in math

that start with questions students have about the world.” would increase engagement
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:14:13 +0000 - tweet id 129712535808122880 - #129
@padgets #mathchat ok I am lost still checking labs now they are new ones but must
have missed something in this chat........
Fri Oct 28 00:14:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712577885384704 - #132
@mathfour @stefras @delta_dc Technically you can't plan learning. You can plan what to
start with, but real learning takes following. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:14:24 +0000 - tweet id 129712584327827458
29712584327827458 - #133
@davidwees When we let students do some of the questioning, we reinforce the idea that
math is fundamentally
mentally about questions. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:14:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712586525655040 - #136
@republicofmath Not in my experience. @mathfour Students have the MOST authentic

questions. A teacher contrives them, only! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:14:33 +0000 - tweet id 129712622986723328 - #137
@delta_dc @mathfour Winging it with a purpose, improv, or total chaos? #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:14:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712698043797504 - #140
@dborkovitz @davidwees @stefras student asked why 1/3+1/3+1/3=1

and .33..+.33...+.33...=.99.... that was a great one, but not everyday thing #mathchat
#ma
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:15:03 +0000 - tweet id 129712747477860353 - #141
@ddubs08 anyone ever done an inquire based approach

approach to teaching 2D shapes for
Gr.9's? #mathchat #edchat
Fri Oct 28 00:15:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712757049266177
1297127570492661 - #144
@padgets #mathchat I say CHAOS!!!

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:15:08 +0000 - tweet id 129712769053360130 - #145
@ColinTGraham Plan diversions...RT @LinaSouid: Nope. Actually has multiple
destinations. Like if this comes up, we do this. If that, we do that. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:15:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712777169354755 - #148
@republicofmath In my experience students have difficulty formulating

questions.#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:15:17 +0000 - tweet id 129712804109361152 - #149
@stefras @ColinTGraham I think pride from his sense of exploration leading to discovery.
Curiosity fed. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:15:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712821981286400 - #152
@delta_dc @mathfour @stefras But you can plan to create a space for
learning.#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:15:27 +0000 - tweet id 129712847109369856 - #153
@LinaSouid @mathfour @stefras @davidwees Why do you think all teacher questions
are contrived? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:15:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129712905754124288 - #156
@LinaSouid I can create authentic questions that create authentic learning #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:15:51 +0000 - tweet id 129712949303582720
12971 - #157
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham Exactly! Plan diversions! #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:16:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129713023555346432 - #160
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Yes! The purpose of the 'plan' is important. #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:16:31 +0000 - tweet id 129713116530491392 - #161
@dweksler RT @LinaSouid: @ColinTGraham Exactly! Plan diversions! #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:16:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129713135815888896 - #164
@LinaSouid @stefras @ColinTGraham I think that exploration is great. But teachers

need to be a guide. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:16:50 +0000 - tweet id 129713196104826882 - #165
@mathfour @ColinTGraham @LinaSouid Unless we want to say "today we'll talk about
functions" and leave it at that. That planning's okay. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:16:50 +0000 - tweet id 129713194842341377 - #166
@LinaSouid @stefras @ColinTGraham I think that exploration is great.

gre But teachers
need to be a guide. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:16:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129713196104826882 - #168
@anotherschwab RT @davidwees: When we let students do some of the questioning,
we reinforce the idea that math is fundamentally about questions.#mathchat
questions.#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:17:28 +0000 - tweet id 129713355249295361 - #169
@dborkovitz @padgets welcome....

wel I'm new too #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:17:29 +0000 - tweet id 129713361125523456 - #171
@ColinTGraham @stefras @mathfour Does age play a factor in the degree of

spontaneity that is 'allowable'? Do teens expect more plan/structure? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:17:29 +0000 - tweet id 129713358134976512 - #172
@mathfour @padgets Don't worry. You're not

not missing much. Same thing as always - I'm
winning. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:17:32 +0000 - tweet id 129713372580151296 - #175
@stefras @mathfour I think the idea of a learning plan is that the emphasis is placed on
thought and process rather than content & product #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:17:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129713416431607808 - #178
@davidwees @republicofmath
epublicofmath They have difficulty formulating questions into the
language of math. Why? They get no practice doing it. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:17:45 +0000 - tweet id 129713425281581056
12971342528 - #179
@delta_dc Why we need a plan to model this process >> RT @republicofmath: In my

experience students have difficulty
culty formulating questions. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:17:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129713441186385920 - #182
@LinaSouid @mathfour @ColinTGraham I can give the students the general formula for
a quadratic and see what they do with it. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:17:54 +0000 - tweet id 129713465161027584 - #183
@padgets @mathfour #mathchat oh well then that is what I wanted to hear! :0) you go
sister!
Fri Oct 28 00:18:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129713538137718784 - #186
@mathfour @davidwees Do you have a book of these fabulous retweetables or what?

David Wees, Math Retweetable (your new title) #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:18:17 +0000 - tweet id 129713560518529025 - #187
@Peter_J_King RT @gaw101: “@davidwees: #mathchat We need more lessons in math

that start with questions students have about the world.” would increase ...
Fri Oct 28 00:18:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129713574695272448 - #190
@davidwees @republicofmath They have lots of questions, they just can't translate them.
#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:18:22 +0000 - tweet id 129713582056292352 - #191
@LinaSouid RT @stefras: as: @mathfour I think the idea of a learning plan is that the
emphasis is placed on thought and process rather than content & product #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:18:25 +0000 - tweet id 129713595146706944 - #193
@Turkeydoodles @mathfour "Real learning takes following." I beg to differ, Bon: real
learning takes
kes leading yourself down roads of your choosing! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:18:36 +0000 - tweet id 129713639732150274 - #194
@LinaSouid @stefras @mathfour I love this. #mathchat I want to see what students are
doing not what they did.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:18:48 +0000 - tweet id 129713691687010304 - #196
@mathfour @republicofmath It might be up to the grownup

grownup to tease the full ponderance
out of the student, but "authentic" is just that...real #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:19:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129713787531038720 - #199
@davidwees @LinaSouid @mathfour @stefras They aren't contrived if the teacher starts
from exploration, rather than prescribed curriculum. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:19:31 +0000 - tweet id 129713872415375360 - #200
@mathfour @delta_dc I had total chaos in the literacy class. I'm not sure how that would
work among youngsters, though. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:19:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129713913800556544 - #203
@ColinTGraham @mathfour @LinaSouid @stefras @davidwees Don't always agree.

Some student questions
stions are contrived because of 'expectations'... #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:19:44 +0000 - tweet id 129713926203129857 - #204
@ColinTGraham @padgets Too spontaneous for you Sharon? ;-)

; #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:20:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129714013474013184 - #207
@mathfour @ddubs08 Nope - but it sounds cool. Are you doing it? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:20:20 +0000 - tweet id 129714077093216256 - #208
@Turkeydoodles RT @stefras: @mathfour I think the idea of a learning plan is that the
emphasis is placed on thought and process rather than content & product#mathchat
product#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:20:21 +0000 - tweet id 129714080859693057 - #210
@LinaSouid @davidwees @mathfour @stefras #mathchat I think that is a good point.

Exploration can help a teacher create authentic questions.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:20:24 +0000 - tweet id 129714092532445184 - #211
@mathfour @padgets And you would be spot on. We should start a school - Chaos
School of Learning Stuff #mathchat
chat
Fri Oct 28 00:20:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129714170810740737 - #214
@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat nope my lesson plan book is a calender that is
never right :0)
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:20:43 +0000 - tweet id 129714174598189056 - #215
@tweedcap RT @ColinTGraham: Two questions/points... plans should not always be set

in concrete; they often go wrong. Lack of structure can be disconcerting. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:20:48 +0000 - tweet id 129714195234164739 - #217
@padgets @mathfour #mathchat oh YEA! the more the merrier! :0)

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:21:06 +0000 - tweet id 129714268722577409 - #218
@mathfour @ColinTGraham @LinaSouid Like a "create your own adventure" book - but
with math lesson plans? I love it! #mathchat
#m
Fri Oct 28 00:21:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129714341934141440 - #221
@stefras @davidwees @davidwees Many questions followfollow from situation. The situation
may develop or be proposed by teacher or student. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:21:27 +0000 - tweet id 129714357864103936 - #222
@mathfour @republicofmath That doesn't mean they don't wonder. It's our job to help
formulate the Q base on their curiosity. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:21:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129714488860618752 - #225
@ColinTGraham @dborkovitz Hi Debra. Yes that type of "why?" can be very productive,
but only if teacher is confident about allowing a discussion #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:22:01 +0000 - tweet id 129714498788536320 - #226
@dweksler Does project-based/problem

based/problem-based
based learning (PBL) address the issue of
"authentic"
authentic" questions? The math topics will always be there #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:22:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129714534616272896 - #229
@mathfour @LinaSouid @stefras @davidwees How do you make questions? Do you

create them at the gas station and think, "What's...?" or at desk #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:22:41 +0000 - tweet id 129714666652962816 - #230
@davidwees #mathchat Doesn't contrived mean something like: "planned in advance." By

this definition, all prepared questions are necessarily contrived.
Fri Oct 28 00:22:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129714730888732672 - #233
@padgets @dweksler #mathchat

#mat yes, as a PBL person we have a question and then do
several activities and labs
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:23:01 +0000 - tweet id 129714753248571393 - #234
@stefras @dborkovitz Hi Debra. #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:23:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129714788937895936 - #237
@delta_dc We also put more stock in lesson recounts - reflecting on what happened -
than lesson plans. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:23:21 +0000 - tweet id 129714835192676352 - #240
@mathfour @LinaSouid What is your definition

definition of authentic? My def is "grown from pure
curiosity." #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:23:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129714841710641152 - #243
@ColinTGraham @dweksler Maybe, David, but how far do you 'plan' or pre-design
pre a
project? Some projects may feel 'contrived' to 'teach' a point. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:23:34 +0000 - tweet id 129714890922405889 - #244
@LinaSouid @mathfour @ColinTGraham Exactly what I was thinking! #mathchat Like

students choose to open door A, or B, or C.
Fri Oct 28 00:23:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129714911709368320 - #247
@LinaSouid RT @stefras: @davidwees @davidwees Many questions follow from

situation. The situation may develop or be proposed
proposed by teacher or student. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:23:48 +0000 - tweet id 129714950401830912 - #248
@mathfour I'm getting behind. Wondering if this TweetGrid was a good idea.#mathchat
idea.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:23:57 +0000 - tweet id 129714986607054848
1297 - #249
@dborkovitz @stefras Hi Shawn #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:24:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715044022890496 - #252
@mathfour Big question for y'all - what do you use

se for these chats? TweetGrid, Tweetchat,
hootsuite? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:24:34 +0000 - tweet id 129715141645303808 - #253
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc But, as a pre-service/trainee

pre service/trainee teacher you have to plan your
50-minute
minute lesson to the nearest 5 minutes... in my memory! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:24:36 +0000 - tweet id 129715149564166146 - #255
@LinaSouid @mathfour My def is does it resemble what someone might be doing in the
real world to solve a real world problem. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:24:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715193495306240
129715193495306 - #258
@mathfour @ColinTGraham @stefras If we raise teens to expect structure, then they will.
If raised to wonder, they will. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:25:09 +0000 - tweet id 129715287145721858 - #259
@LinaSouid @mathfour It may be my engineering background but I imagine my students

as mini-engineers :) #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:25:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715306489839617 - #262
@mathfour @dborkovitz Love the bio! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:25:37 +0000 - tweet id 129715406486241280 - #263
@dweksler St. Louis 2 Texas 1 (World

(World Series) bottom of 1st inning #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:25:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715412727382016 - #266
@Turkeydoodles Don''t faint, but I think this is where teaching algoritms comes in - tools
for the toolbox, ready for students to build with! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:25:42 +0000 - tweet id 129715425314476032 - #267
@stefras @mathfour But why are structure and wonder exclusive here? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:25:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715445677826049 - #270
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @delta_dc Yes, that is true. Some schools want that on the
board as well. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:25:48 +0000 - tweet id 129715452556488704 - #271
@j_lanier When I plan a bunch, centered on *my* goals, my lessons often

of fall flat. When I
plan based upon my students' prompts, sweet! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:25:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715479869788160 - #274
@LinaSouid RT @mathfour: @ColinTGraham @stefras If we raise teens to expect

structure, then they will. If raised to wonder, they will. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:26:02 +0000 - tweet id 129715510442065921 - #275
@davidwees #mathchat We've talked a lot about the benefits of exploration. What are the
benefits of a more planned lesson?
Fri Oct 28 00:26:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715513197740032 - #278
@ColinTGraham @davidwees I'd say, in this context, contrivance is more about guiding
towards a specific goal which is not really 'authentic'. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:26:08 +0000 - tweet id 129715537629552640 - #279
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Depends on who's doing the observing. We've come a long
way baby! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:26:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715553190424576 - #282
@AnnaColley @davidwees #mathchat "contrived adjective 1. obviously planned or

forced; artificial; strained: a contrived story."
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:26:13 +0000 - tweet id 129715555161751553 - #283
@mathfour @LinaSouid @ColinTGraham Why not give Ss a quadratic and see if they
can derive the quadratic formula? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:26:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715648111722497 - #286
@dborkovitz @LinaSouid @mathfour but so many of the best problems are
ar not real
world .... mathland can be fun, look at sudoku's popularity #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:26:42 +0000 - tweet id 129715680164593666 - #287
@Turkeydoodles I like constructivist explorations, myself, but get the tools

built!#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:26:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715700242726912 - #290
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @dweksler I like real life questions #mathchat Like

population growth, business, or architecture.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:26:55 +0000 - tweet id 129715734719889408 - #291
@mathfour Going back to tweetchat to catch up. #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:27:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715782723702785 - #294
@ColinTGraham @mathfour @LinaSouid Or give them the formula and get them to
graph it and see if they notice anything... #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:27:14 +0000 - tweet id 129715814675918848 - #295
@EDUCATIONCEO RT @davidwees: When we let students do some of the questioning,

we reinforce the idea that math is fundamentally about questions.#mathchat
questions.#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:27:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715828273840128 - #298
@dweksler @ColinTGraham Well, W ell, it depends. Real "projects" may take 6 months to
complete but really engage the students in various subjects #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:27:19 +0000 - tweet id 129715833403490306
12971583340349030 - #299
@padgets #mathchat I am so sorry my friends but I am loosing to the sandman, take care
stay safe and tweet you all later :0) ZZZZZZZZZZZ
Fri Oct 28 00:27:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715866899197952 - #302
@LinaSouid @davidwees I don't agree with that. I think contrived is cookie cutter
questions with one correct answer. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:27:34 +0000 - tweet id 129715896020246529 - #303
@delta_dc You beat me to it, Shawn >> RT @stefras: @mathfour But why are structure
and wonder exclusive here? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:27:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129715899841265665
1297158998412656 - #306
@dborkovitz @mathfour thanks! #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:27:45 +0000 - tweet id 129715943273283586 - #307
@j_lanier Planning can bring resources and depth to a classroom. And that's
great.#mathchat @davidwees
Fri Oct 28 00:27:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129716003264413697 - #310
@LinaSouid @mathfour @stefras
@s @davidwees Both! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:28:04 +0000 - tweet id 129716021551575041 - #311
@ColinTGraham @dweksler An actual project, such as designing and building a log

cabin, say, where the maths comes out of it as required... yes. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:28:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129716039066976259 - #314
@dweksler RT @ColinTGraham: @dweksler An actual project, project, such as designing and

building a log cabin, say, where the maths comes out of it as required... yes. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:28:19 +0000 - tweet id 129716087557332992 - #315
@delta_dc @LinaSouid @colintgraham I would call that an agenda not a plan (again
semantics, I know). #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:28:35 +0000 - tweet id 129716154263535617 - #316
@stefras @mathfour Sometimes I dream questions. Like stories, those are the best kind.
Often simple but open and many-answered.
answered. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:28:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129716177294462978 - #319
@LinaSouid @dweksler @ColinTGraham Like an IB extended essay or IA (internal

(interna
assessment) #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:28:55 +0000 - tweet id 129716237214298112 - #320
@Turkeydoodles What about setting up an experimental situation where they are likely to
hit on key content during their explorations? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:29:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129716275629928449 - #323
@ColinTGraham @dweksler A project, wherewhere 'project' = 'exploration' which is to be

marked as coursework towards a final grade/exam, much less so! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:29:29 +0000 - tweet id 129716380315549696 - #324
@j_lanier #mathchat When my plans are about what *I'm* going to do, I do too much and
my students don't. When I plan many things for them to try, yay!
Fri Oct 28 00:29:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129716416789233665 - #327
@mathfour @stefras That's very cool! #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:29:46 +0000 - tweet id 129716452482752512 - #328
@delta_dc My worst year of teaching was when I had all my plans set for the year. I could
tell you exactly what I was doing Oct 27. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:30:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129716518165561344 - #331
@LinaSouid @mathfour @ColinTGraham Yeah, that's good. #mathchat Give ax^2+bx+c

and see if they can figure out the shape. I love when they c it
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:30:31 +0000 - tweet id 129716639150243844 - #332
@mathfour @delta_dc
delta_dc @stefras They aren't, if a grownup knows how to stay out of the
way. usually we don't. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:30:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129716692900261889 - #335
@dweksler @ColinTGraham An actual project (in my understanding of PBL) PRODUCES

something. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:30:45 +0000 - tweet id 129716700093489154 - #336
@Turkeydoodles I think of planning

planning like weather forcasting, snow in winter, but not on
which days. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:30:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129716729382309888 - #339
@brianwfrank RT @delta_dc: My worst year of teaching was when I had all my plans set
for the year. I could tell you exactly what I was doing Oct 27. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:31:11 +0000 - tweet id 129716808667250688 - #340
@LinaSouid @delta_dc Seems like a good way to have the class go to hell after a snow
day! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:31:13 +0000 - tweet id 129716815638175744 - #341
@mathfour @LinaSouid There's where we separate. I'm a pure mathematician, no

engineering or real world “dark side
de of the force” here. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:31:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129716960899506176 - #344
@Turkeydoodles @mathfour As Alfie Kohn says, "the best teachers have teeth marks in
their tongues." #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:31:55 +0000 - tweet id 129716990142189569 - #345
@delta_dc @j_lanier It's a good distinction. I also want to invite my learners into
in the
planning process. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:32:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717127782469632 - #348
@LinaSouid @delta_dc @colintgraham I called it an agenda. But it's part of the 'system'
of perfect lesson plans, objective statements. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:32:34 +0000 - tweet id 129717155565543424 - #349
@davidwees @delta_dc Yeah, I agree. I planned an entire unit once. Very soon, my
students were out-of-sync
sync w/ my plan. Ditched the plan. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:32:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717168383344640 - #352
@mathfour Beautiful RT @Turkeydoodles: @mathfour As Alfie Kohn says, "the

"th best
teachers have teeth marks in their tongues." #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:32:38 +0000 - tweet id 129717171004776451 - #353
@ColinTGraham @j_lanier Hi Justin, first #mathchat for you? Welcome! Resources are a
good point... sometimes spontaneous exploration requires more of them
Fri Oct 28 00:32:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717180441952256 - #356
@dweksler @mathfour No "dark side of the force?" - How is that possible?!? ;-)#mathchat
;
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:32:41 +0000 - tweet id 129717183000481794 - #357
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @mathfour Exactly what I was thinking! See the

amazement in their ideas when it is a U shape! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:33:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717378555707392 - #360
@ColinTGraham @LinaSouid @delta_dc Agenda suggests a list of items you need to/are
going to get through... whether anyone likes it or not! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:33:37 +0000 - tweet id 129717419567620097 - #361
@JackieLamarche @davidwees I love the idea of promoting

promoting student questioning, I find
this engages my Ss the most #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:33:37 +0000 - tweet id 129717418946854914 - #362
@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham Hard for me to see how one could teach effectively w/out
being confident allowing discussion #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:33:37 +0000 - tweet id 129717418019913729 - #363
@davidwees @delta_dc A plan for the year forgets the learner in the teaching-learning
teaching
equation.
ion. Can't adjust to them when following a script. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:33:38 +0000 - tweet id 129717424122634240 - #367
@stefras @davidwees A planned lesson gives learning a direction and even an under
layer: think Lakatos. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:33:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717432309923840 - #370
@Turkeydoodles Unschooling has a 'strewing' premise - put interesting things in kids way,
and see how they explore them. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:33:43 +0000 - tweet id 129717442682425344 - #371
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @mathfour I always do that with sin x, cos x and tan x.
Very fun! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:33:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717482234724353 - #374
@davidwees RT @delta_dc: My worst year of teaching was when I had all my plans set
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:33:56 +0000 - tweet id 129717499997585409 - #375
@mathfour @dweksler K8 is dragging me into it. I'm only looking at the real world
because she's in it. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:34:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717593471852544 - #379
@BethAnneEretto Thursdays at 8 are hard I have two chats at the same time :(#u30pro
:(
#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:34:29 +0000 - tweet id 129717637616906240 - #380
@ColinTGraham @dborkovitz I know a lot of elementary/primary teachers have *huge*

problems 'planning' appropriate content/lessons for maths #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:34:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717642977214465 - #383
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @delta_dc You can't have an agenda without a lesson plan
down to 5 minute increments. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:34:35 +0000 - tweet id 129717663109890048 - #384
@dweksler @BethAnneEretto
eEretto Multi-tasking?
Multi tasking? Watching the World Series, eating dinner
1+1+1....= #u30pro #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:35:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717818936672256 - #387
@mariposajanine #mathchat It is hard to plan when teachers are wobbly mathematically

RT @ColinTGraham: @dborkovitz I know a lo… (cont)http://t.co/594cLtmZ
(cont)http://t.co/594cLtmZ
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:35:21 +0000 - tweet id 129717856148525057
129717856148525 - #388
@stefras @padgets ZZZZ. Bye/ #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:35:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717887656144896 - #391
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc I may be wrong, but but I believe the French system works on
the basis that every school is on the same page of the textbook #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:35:33 +0000 - tweet id 129717906979295232 - #392
@jakehitchner RT @delta_dc: My worst year of teaching was when I had all my plans set
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:35:38 +0000 - tweet id 129717925421662208 - #394
@mathfour @BethAnneEretto What's that one about? #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:35:45 +0000 - tweet id 129717955251552257 - #395
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @linasouid Interesting - but the meetings I attend to at

university rarely get through all the items ;-)
; #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:35:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129717997064556544 - #398
@j_lanier @ColinTGraham first one in real time! #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:35:57 +0000 - tweet id 129718008678580225 - #399
@monsoon0 Lovely RT @stefras: Sometimes

Sometimes I dream questions. Like stories, those are
the best kind. Often simple but open and many-answered.
many #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:36:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718124265222145 - #402
@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham Yes, I mostly teach future elem teachers, so I know, very
hard to undo years of bad experiences but we
w persevere #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:36:39 +0000 - tweet id 129718184512196608 - #403
@delta_dc @davidwees I agree. And it makes formative assessment completely
'unnecessary' - I've never done it again. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:36:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718189968986112 - #406
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @LinaSouid

@LinaSouid I'll bet the missed items get regurgitated at
future meetings until discussed, though... like curriculum? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:36:54 +0000 - tweet id 129718247699394560
129718247699394 - #407
@LinaSouid @delta_dc @ColinTGraham That's true! #mathchat Perhaps too many

donuts/coffee during the meeting!
Fri Oct 28 00:37:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718308776853504 - #410
@mathfour @dborkovitz Do you know @mathhombre? He teaches teachers

too.#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:37:16 +0000 - tweet id 129718336647999488
129718336647999 - #411
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @delta_dc Unless they are no longer relevant.#mathchat

relevant.
Like the Xmas party!
Fri Oct 28 00:37:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718425135218688 - #414
@mariposajanine #mathchat I work with teachers and pre-service

service teachers. They need
alot of hand-holding
holding to start to find the maths in open ended questions
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:37:40 +0000 - tweet id 129718437428727808 - #415
@ColinTGraham @mathfour @LinaSouid Authentic Authentic is tricky... some work is authentic (&
needed) in a classroom, but not necessarily 'real world'... #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:37:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718501190537216 - #418
@stefras @j_lanier I think your take on planning for them vs you also goes to learning
plan vs lesson plan. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:37:59 +0000 - tweet id 129718520484347904 - #419
@Brunsmk #mathchat you have to be confident and skilled in your content to allow
student questions to guide a lesson.
Fri Oct 28 00:38:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718561764687873
12971856 - #422
@LinaSouid @mathfour I think students enjoy the dark side! #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:38:10 +0000 - tweet id 129718563677274112 - #423
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Some in US would like this approach as well. More script
scr
than plan #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:38:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718568404262912 - #426
@mariposajanine mathchat @colinTGraham It is not always possible to contextualise the

maths in a school setting
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:38:54 +0000 - tweet id 129718750009241600 - #427
@dborkovitz @mathfour @mathhombre IDK in real life, but here, I am just meeting
people, thanks for the intro #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:39:02 +0000 - tweet id 129718782120824832 - #428
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @mathfour Yeah, I don't think real world=authentic. Just a

good indicator of going in the right direction. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:39:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718793755828224 - #431
@j_lanier #mathchat Plan not what *will* happen, but what *can* happen.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:39:09 +0000 - tweet id 129718811543863296 - #432
@ColinTGraham @dborkovitz Yes, persevere is definitely better than preserve... in

relation to training new teachers! Get things progressing... #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:39:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718819819229185 - #435
@dweksler The geometry of a 5-6-4

5 4 double play as seen from the overhead camera in the
blimp
mp makes me think how mathematical baseball can be #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:39:13 +0000 - tweet id 129718830191747072 - #436
@mathfour @LinaSouid Students enjoy what they enjoy. We (including me) have to
follow them - not the other way around. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:39:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718871220436994 - #439
@Turkeydoodles I see a lot of homeschoolers jump math curricula; I think most parents
don't know how to bring math out of the book. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:39:29 +0000 - tweet id 129718897007009792 - #440
@stefras @dweksler
ksler I don't think projects necessarily need to produce something, other
than learning. Project = deep exploration/considera #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:39:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129718927348596736
129718 - #443
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @linasouid Sure, but isn't that allowing the learners to dictate
the pacing if not the content? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:39:40 +0000 - tweet id 129718940690694144 - #444
@mathfour @dborkovitz He often will have #mathchat up during his class on Mondays.
@mathhombre #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:39:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719014560776192 - #447
@JackieLamarche @stefras @j_lanier I agree, planning needs to be ongoing based on

Ss needs, but sometimes this can make teacher more hectic #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:40:02 +0000 - tweet id 129719035473571841 - #448
@LinaSouid @mathfour True. Ss are in control. But they still need to learn what they
need to learn. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:40:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719070277906432 - #451
@Turkeydoodles RT @j_lanier: #mathchat Plan not what *will*
ill* happen, but what *can*
happen.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:40:18 +0000 - tweet id 129719100053270528 - #452
@BethAnneEretto @mathfour its for professionals under age 30 pretty

pret
interesting#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:40:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719128922652672 - #455
@ColinTGraham And there is a danger of contriving too RT @mariposajanine#mathchat

@mariposajanine
It's not always possible to contextualise the maths in a school setting
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:40:38 +0000 - tweet id 129719183817703424 - #456
@mathfour @Turkeydoodles But we're working on helping

h them! #homeschool#mathchat
#homeschool
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:40:38 +0000 - tweet id 129719183247286273 - #457
@ColinTGraham And there is a danger of contriving too RT @mariposajanine#mathchat

@mariposajanine
It's not always possible to contextualise the maths in a school setting
Fri Oct 28 00:40:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719183817703424 - #458
@mathfour @Turkeydoodles But we're working on helping them! #homeschool#mathchat

#homeschool
Fri Oct 28 00:40:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719183247286273 - #459
@LinaSouid @delta_dc @ColinTGraham Hmmmm, good point.

po #mathchat Not sure...
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:40:42 +0000 - tweet id 129719200611708929 - #460
@monsoon0 Sad that RT @mariposajanine: #mathchat It is hard to plan when teachers

are wobbly mathematically ...
Fri Oct 28 00:40:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719206466961408 - #463
@mathfour @LinaSouid Be careful not to let @Turkeydoodles hear you say

that.#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:40:58 +0000 - tweet id 129719269926780928 - #464
@dborkovitz @mariposajanine I know.... I frame as pushing intellectually while supporting

emotionally... math comfort zone needs expansion #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:41:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719363552026624
1297 - #467
@LinaSouid @mathfour @Turkeydoodles

@Turkeydood he he he #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:41:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719399547539456 - #469
@Turkeydoodles @LinaSouid Students are most likely to learn when they can be shown
how learning content aligns with their personal goals. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:41:42 +0000 - tweet id 129719454325145601 - #470
@mariposajanine #mathchat Kids pick it up immediately if contrived - they are not silly RT
@ColinTGraham: And there is a dang… (cont) http://t.co/N1VTsK53
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:41:42 +0000 - tweet id 129719452873928704 - #471
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @linasouid Ah... wondered who'd mention pacing first David!
I was waiting for that! How fast should you 'push' a plan? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:41:53 +0000 - tweet id 129719498554085377 - #474
@delta_dc @techsavvyed I agree. And I think you are going to like when I post the
'transcript' of my latest talk. It's on Signposts #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:41:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719522881048577 - #477
@LinaSouid By the way, wrote two college recommendations today! #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:42:06 +0000 - tweet id 129719556385161216 - #478
@delta_dc @mariposajanine I often find it hard for kids

kids to follow the script. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:42:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719618527969280 - #481
@mathfour @LinaSouid They need to learn what they WANT to learn. Really, what they
NEED, they get automatically. @turkeydoodles #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:42:45 +0000 - tweet id 129719716473352192 - #482
@stefras @davidwees I consider plans as away to organize my thoughts, not a schedule

nor a guideline. Make, check, and ignore. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:42:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719739525234688
1297197 - #485
@dborkovitz @mathfour @mathhombre how does this work? I stumbled in during this
chat, is it every night or what? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:42:56 +0000 - tweet id 129719762530996224 - #486
@ColinTGraham @Turkeydoodles @LinaSouid IF you have taken the trouble to discuss

realistic personal (learning) goals... not often/always so. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:43:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719791442333696 - #489
@mariposajanine Script is for the teacher, learning intentions clear for the students RT
@delta_dc I often find it hard for kids to followscript. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:43:17 +0000 - tweet id 129719851991314433 - #490
@Turkeydoodles @delta_dc Well, yeah - it isn't their script!

t! Parroting lines isn't learning!
#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:43:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129719867967422464 - #493
@LinaSouid @mathfour @turkeydoodles I don't agree with that. They do not get what
they need automatically. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:43:31 +0000 - tweet id 129719910350852097 - #494
@mathfour @dborkovitz Look at http://t.co/wy4ULWSR #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:43:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720004781412354 - #497
@Turkeydoodles @LinaSouid Sorry - you don't agree with what? #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:44:10 +0000 - tweet id 129720074020978689
129720 - #498
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @Turkeydoodles I always talk about student goals. best

part of my class. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:44:10 +0000 - tweet id 129720072414576640 - #499
@ColinTGraham @dborkovitz What’s

Wh it all about #mathchat? http://t.co/fRNB6yPsshould
http://t.co/fRNB6yPs
help explain #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:44:29 +0000 - tweet id 129720154719391744 - #502
@Turkeydoodles @LinaSouid You are talking about their goals, or your students
are?#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:44:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720201238413312 - #505
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @delta_dc #mathchat Fast enough to make the kids cry! :)
That was a joke.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:44:50 +0000 - tweet id 129720241008812033 - #506
@mathfour @dborkovitz Lots of details there. @ColinTGraham is the police, I'm the
comic relief and @stefras is the deputy. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:44:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720246901800960 - #509
@dborkovitz @stefras @davidwees I write a lot of my own materials, so can plan based
b
on last class, modify as necessary, tricky balance though #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:45:06 +0000 - tweet id 129720311120793600 - #510
@mathfour @LinaSouid I met a guy the other day that couldn't read, write nor even add
(really) - guess what? He's alive, fed w/ clothes. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:45:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720419749085185 - #513
@LinaSouid @Turkeydoodles Students tell me their goals, put them on the wall.
Reassess, change goals, reflect during portfolio assign. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:45:52 +0000 - tweet id 129720501168898049 - #514
@mathfour @LinaSouid With just a tiny bit of encouragement and cheerleading, they do
SO much better. They WILL get what they need. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:46:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720553333473281 - #517
@BMPM1 RT @delta_dc: My worst year of teaching was when I had all

al my plans set for
the year. I could tell you exactly what I was doing Oct 27. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:46:09 +0000 - tweet id 129720573499686912 - #518
@mariposajanine Like! #mathchat RT @LinaSouid: Students tell me their goals, put
pu them
on the wall. Reassess, change goals, reflect during portfolio assign.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:46:20 +0000 - tweet id 129720618869473281 - #519
@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham thanks! #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:46:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720643750072320 - #522
@stefras @dborkovitz @mathfour As does @delta_dc #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:46:28 +0000 - tweet id 129720652289675264 - #523
@LinaSouid @mathfour I don't think that should be our goal as educators.

#mathchatBeing
eing uneducated won't kill you, but that's not great.
Fri Oct 28 00:46:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720696728330240 - #526
@Turkeydoodles @LinaSouid I don't mean goals for math class, I mean goals for life -
not usually assessable until long after graduation day. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:46:44 +0000 - tweet id 129720721495703552 - #527
@ColinTGraham Is the general feeling that too much 'planning' is done based on a
curriculum focused on product, rather than using it as a guide? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:46:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720755884789760 - #530
@mathfour @dborkovitz @stefras @davidwees That's a nice way to work, eh?#mathchat

eh?
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:46:59 +0000 - tweet id 129720785324617730 - #531
@dborkovitz @mathfour @ColinTGraham @stefras

@stefras so are there other positions still
open? :-) #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:47:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720892342284288 - #534
@ColinTGraham @LinaSouid @mathfour Do you mean 'uneducated' Lina, or isn't it

rather 'unschooled'? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:47:35 +0000 - tweet id 129720936306974720 - #535
@mathfour @LinaSouid Then again, I don't

don't believe in setting goals. I believe in following
the passion driving you right now. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:47:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129720994221924352 - #538
@Turkeydoodles Is anyone else getting MIGHTILY PISSED OFF at @eduware_inc for

hogging a line in our chat stream?? #PRFAIL #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:47:53 +0000 - tweet id 129721009866670080 - #539
@LinaSouid @Turkeydoodles Yes,Lifetime/professional goals. I'm a psychologist,

psych after all.
#mathchat Sometimes, small goals are included
Fri Oct 28 00:48:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721125956632577 - #542
@mathfour @dborkovitz What are you good at? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:48:28 +0000 - tweet id 129721158361812992
129721 - #543
@ColinTGraham @dborkovitz @mathfour @stefras We're always looking for people to

ask 'dumb' questions... ;-) #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:48:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721176351191040 - #546
@Turkeydoodles @mathfour I believe in goal setting, but think one can change ones
mind. :) #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:48:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721194327965696 - #549
@mariposajanine #mathchat I believe in setting goals. Some students can set their own
goals, some can't and need us as teacher… (cont) http://t.co/W2YNzzDz
Fri Oct 28 00:48:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721194709655553 - #550
@mathfour @LinaSouid I'm not in it for the educators, I'm in it for the kids. If kids are left
alone, they'll find theirr passion and follow. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:49:08 +0000 - tweet id 129721324275896321 - #551
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @mathfour I guess unschooled, but uneducated is also

bad. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:49:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721333901836289 - #554
@mathfour @LinaSouid Furthermore, they'll feel calm and comfortable asking for the
th
things they want - like more math! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:49:44 +0000 - tweet id 129721475753189376 - #555
@ColinTGraham So wean away from curric-dependence...

curric dependence... RT @mariposajanine Yes, the
more mathem inexperienced the teacher, the more relian they are #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:50:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721588340899840 - #558
@LinaSouid @mathfour I don't disagree about encouragement. But Ss shouldn't wander

around figuring out what to do. Teachers need to help. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:50:12 +0000 - tweet id 129721593302761472 - #559
@Turkeydoodles @LinaSouid Unschooled is a FABULOUS thing, IMO. Uneducated

depends on whose standards you measure. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:50:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721605399126017 - #562
@1stLadey @Turkeydoodles I have to agree. I have no clue how to introduce more

complicated concepts to my DD so that it's fun & engaging #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:50:18 +0000 - tweet id 129721617399025664 - #563
@mathfour How cool is that? The #MathShack just got too cold - I had to turn off the A/C!
#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:50:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721739340038145 - #566
@LinaSouid @Turkeydoodles I disagree about "Really, what they NEED, they get
automatically. " #mathchat @mathfour
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:51:01 +0000 - tweet id 129721798165143552 - #567
@ColinTGraham @Turkeydoodles @LinaSouid

@LinaSouid I think there is an 'equation' where
schooling = education for too many people, though... #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:51:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721841613942785 - #570
@mariposajanine #mathchat Get teachers comfortable mathematically

mathematical first. Always need
to have one eye on curriculum for consist… (cont) http://t.co/eUXiA17d
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:51:24 +0000 - tweet id 129721894848036864 - #571
@stefras @dborkovitz http://t.co/lWAzZ2ma #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:51:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129721917409202177 - #574
@mathfour @LinaSouid You know @ddmeyer has the "less helpful" tagline - I'm "totally
useless" - and it works! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:51:32 +0000 - tweet id 129721929413312512 - #575
@Turkeydoodles I think part of the problem is how to get tools in place for when kids
decide they want them, but can go fast, I guess. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:51:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722009750994944 - #578
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @Turkeydoodles Perhaps I'm guilty of that. #mathchatBut I

think we are getting lost in semantics today.
Fri Oct 28 00:52:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722111592902656
12972211159290265 - #580
@mathfour @Turkeydoodles I haven't seen that tweetbot show up. I'm useing tweetchat -
what are you using? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:21 +0000 - tweet id 129722134510575616 - #581
@ColinTGraham @mathfour @LinaSouid @ddmeyer I've found: "I don't really know... do
you want to find out?" can work as well. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:52:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722178211028992 - #584
@ekendriss RT @dweksler: The geometry of a 5-6-4

5 4 double play as seen
se from the
overhead camera in the blimp makes me think how mathematical baseball can be#mathchat
be
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:34 +0000 - tweet id 129722189883777024 - #585
@dborkovitz @mathfour I am good at dumb questions, but I do have other skills, just no
admin work, I'm on sabbatical! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:51 +0000 - tweet id 129722261711224832 - #586
@Turkeydoodles @LinaSouid Ah - I didn't say that bit. >;) They can learn it quickly when
motivated, but not same thing. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:52:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722274084433920 - #589
@LinaSouid someone who can't read or write or do math is unschooled and uneducated.
uned
Seems simple to me. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:59 +0000 - tweet id 129722294540046336 - #590
@dweksler RT @LinaSouid: someone who can't read or write or do math is unschooled

and uneducated. Seems simple to me. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:53:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722345253376001 - #593
@ColinTGraham @LinaSouid @Turkeydoodles The

The semantics are important, I think. As
@delta_dc mentioned earlier... #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:26 +0000 - tweet id 129722406125314049 - #594
@LinaSouid RT @ColinTGraham: @mathfour @LinaSouid @ddmeyer I've found: "I don't

really know... do you want to find out?" can work as well. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:53:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722499469541376 - #597
@hughtheteacher RT @delta_dc: My worst year of teaching was when I had all my plans
set for the year. I could tell you exactly what I was doing Oct 27. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:51 +0000 - tweet id 129722511846940672 - #598
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @mathfour

@ma @ddmeyer I like that. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:56 +0000 - tweet id 129722531912491008 - #599
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham @mathfour @ddmeyer I like that. #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 00:53:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722531912491008 - #600
@Limonfrances RT @republicofmath: In my experience students have difficulty

formulating questions. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:54:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722601395326977 - #603
@Turkeydoodles @mathfour Actually, I complained about the tweetbot, and it vanished

instantly. I has majic powerz. >:) #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:54:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722601391132672 - #604
@mathfour @dborkovitz You don't have to be the dumb question asker (I'm also the
mediator to the police). #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:54:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722692428509184 - #606
@stefras Yes! RT @ColinTGraham: Too much 'planning' is done based on a curriculum

focused
sed on product, rather than using it as a guide? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:54:38 +0000 - tweet id 129722709969092610 - #607
@j_lanier There is planning that comes out of fear, like a castle's walls.There is planning
that comes out of joy & vision of what could be. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:54:38 +0000 - tweet id 129722709142810624 - #608
@dweksler Top of 3rd inning 2-2
2 #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:54:41 +0000 - tweet id 129722721876705281 - #611
@Turkeydoodles RT @ColinTGraham: I've found: "I don't really know... do you want to
find out?" can work as well. #mathchat <-- THIS
Fri Oct 28 00:54:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722772455829506 - #614
@LinaSouid @mariposajanine Thank you. #mathchat Nothing glamorous about that

person, sorry @mathfour
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:55:02 +0000 - tweet id 129722807365021696 - #615
@mathfour good one! RT @LinaSouid: RT @ColinTGraham: @LinaSouid "I dont really

know... do you want to find out?" can work as well. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:55:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129722868668960768 - #618
@ColinTGraham @LinaSouid To me, someone who has learned to do something is

educated in that thing, whether or not they went to school... ;-)
; #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:55:20 +0000 - tweet id 129722883390967808
12 - #619
@LinaSouid RT @j_lanier: There is planning that comes out of fear, like a castle's
walls.There is planning that comes out of joy & vision of what could be. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:55:30 +0000 - tweet id 129722924541292545 - #621
@stefras @Turkeydoodles I don't have @eduware_inc tweets on my #mathchatcolumn.

#PRFAIL #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:56:01 +0000 - tweet id 129723056229842944 - #622
@dborkovitz @mathfour duly noted.... of course there are no dumb questions#mathchat

questions
Fri Oct 28 00:56:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129723149611827200 - #625
@Turkeydoodles And... hubris smacks me down. The tweetbot on Tweetdeck

Tweetd is back.
>:( #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:56:29 +0000 - tweet id 129723174777651200 - #626
@mariposajanine #mathchat So many great things to find out about - maths helps you
get there. Maths makes ANY career count! www.mathscareers.org.au
Fri Oct 28 00:56:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129723221992947712 - #629
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham True. But

But @mathfour didn't say what he is educated in.
Just that he is fed. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:56:44 +0000 - tweet id 129723238455590912 - #630
@ColinTGraham @j_lanier Do you think the difference between the two is in the
level/quantity of detail put into each type of plan? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:56:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129723267052355585 - #633
@LinaSouid What I have learned: @mathfour and I are polar opposites. Always makes
for a great #mathchat full of controversy!
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:57:48 +0000 - tweet id 129723504152162304 - #634
@mariposajanine #mathchat We are all (obviously) pretty good at maths. How can we
help teachers who are wobbly mathematically to plan and teach better?
Fri Oct 28 00:58:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129723601250291712 - #637
@mathfour @LinaSouid @mariposajanine Have either of you ever met someone who
couldn't read, write or add? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:58:23 +0000 - tweet id 129723650634031106 - #638
@mathfour @dborkovitz Well, actually, the question, "Does everyone understand?" is

dumb. No one person can answer it. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:58:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129723798655205377 - #641
@ColinTGraham OK, last two minutes or so of today's #mathchat and we've barely
scratched the surface... ;-)) Any final thoughts before the times change?
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:59:00 +0000 - tweet id 129723806905417728 - #642
@mariposajanine #mathchat Yes, and they wished they could and did everything so that
their children were not disadvantaged R… (cont) http://t.co/BnheXtPo
Fri Oct 28 00:59:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129723817135312898 - #645
@Turkeydoodles @mariposajanine I used to think that @mathfour and I were opposites,

but I've
've been winning her over. Give it time. >:) #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:59:24 +0000 - tweet id 129723908042665984 - #646
@mathfour @LinaSouid Indeed. It's always a #mathfight with the two of us. ;-)
; Like an
East Texas Water Tower Meeting, eh, @loving5kids? #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 00:59:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724001672114177 - #649
@ColinTGraham Fear=detail? RT @j_lanier Don't think so. Think it's the

th kind of value
teacher places on structure. Control vs. support/enable. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:00:01 +0000 - tweet id 129724063739420672 - #650
@LinaSouid @mathfour @mariposajanine After living in a third world country for three
years, I can say probably. But didn't have a great life. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:00:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724070769074176 - #653
@mariposajanine :) #mathchat I have a strong constitution. I know what has worked in

my little part of the world. RT @Turkeydo… (cont) http://t.co/P9NIOorn
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:00:16 +0000 - tweet id 129724125257269248 - #654
@malynmawby Looks like I missed a good convo in #mathchat today :(

Fri Oct 28 01:00:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724152096628736 - #657
@LinaSouid @mathfour @loving5kids He he he. Makes it extra fun! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:00:30 +0000 - tweet id 129724183671345152 - #658
@mariposajanine #mathchat teacher confidence in maths is key

Fri Oct 28 01:00:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724252281782273 - #661
@mariposajanine You did! RT @malynmawby: Looks like I missed a good convo

in#mathchat today :(
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:01:02 +0000 - tweet id 129724320753786880 - #662
@mathfour @LinaSouid @mariposajanine I certainly wouldn't say, "Nothing glamourous"

about them. Very courageous, maybe. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:01:02 +0000 - tweet id 129724319420002304 - #663
@mathhombre #mathchat if we plan for authentic,, rich mathematics, there will be many
possible areas of focus for stus.
Fri Oct 28 01:01:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724381009149952 - #667
@ColinTGraham @mathfour @LinaSouid @mariposajanine I have, he made beautiful

furniture for tourists in Laos... wife was business manager ;-)
; #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:01:29 +0000 - tweet id 129724430313209856 - #668
@mathhombre #mathchat but it takes a lot of planning to create those experiences

Fri Oct 28 01:02:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724560810586112 - #671
@j_lanier @ColinTGraham #mathchat For ex, the projects i create for my geom class (like
http://t.co/PYYqm52H)) take much planning,but not about control
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:02:03 +0000 - tweet id 129724575633252353 - #672
@CallanRG Me too... RT @malynmawby: Looks like I missed

missed a good convo in#mathchat
in
today :( #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:02:04 +0000 - tweet id 129724579261333504 - #674
@mariposajanine agree RT @mathhombre: #mathchat if we plan for authentic, rich

mathematics, there will be many possible areas of focus for stus.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:02:04 +0000 - tweet id 129724577113845760 - #675
@dborkovitz @mathfour good point.... and asking one student "do you understand" is
unskillful, as it's so easy to say yes #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:02:13 +0000 - tweet id 129724617236549632 - #678
@mathfour @LinaSouid Why aren't we on something like @cnn or @foxnews as

opposing sides? We'd be great TV! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:02:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724645120286720 - #681
@LinaSouid @mathfour Quite the opposite. Cowardly.Won't challenge himself to
t improve
and learn. Probably thinks he is incapable of improving. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:02:30 +0000 - tweet id 129724687738601472 - #682
@ColinTGraham @malynmawby Don't miss out next time, Mayln! #mathchat times are
shifting on Monday, for many... beware!
Fri Oct 28 01:02:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724711390281728 - #685
@mariposajanine and some mathemartical expertise on the part of the planner RT

@mathhombre: #mathchat but it takes a lot of planning
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:02:37 +0000 - tweet id 129724718650626050 - #686
@LinaSouid @mathfour #mathchat We would make a fortune!

Fri Oct 28 01:02:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724786355089408 - #689
@mathhombre #mathchat not sustainable to ask teachers to do that everyday x3 or 4

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:03:04 +0000 - tweet id 129724831548702720 - #690
@mathfour @mathhombre You can't plan for authenticity! That's contrary to the definition!
#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:03:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724834585378817 - #693
@malynmawby @ColinTGraham what are the new times Monday and Thursday(my
Friday)? #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:03:12 +0000 - tweet id 129724866139127809 - #694
@stefras @malynmawby :( #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 01:03:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129724955746250752 - #697
@mathfour @ColinTGraham I still don't get the whole time shift. When my time shifts I'll
I
have to go through this all again. #ARG #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:03:38 +0000 - tweet id 129724974062764032 - #698
@dborkovitz Thanks everyone, this is fun.... like an engaging conference on a subway

(quieter)...but I'm exhausted, think it's my stop for now #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:03:55 +0000 - tweet id 129725042807414784 - #700
@ColinTGraham @j_lanier Emphasis between planning a lesson where detail/resources

result in successful learning versus planning control is impt! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:04:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129725130355118083 - #703
@mariposajanine #mathchat Yes you can! I am working with a group next week on
measurement tasks. RT @mathfour: @mathhombre Yo… (cont) http://t.co/SOAdYBQb
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:04:25 +0000 - tweet id 129725171916476416 - #704
@LinaSouid Have you all voted on how you use tech in the classroom at
linasouid.wordpress.com ? Poll is on the sidebar. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:04:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129725231827910656 - #707
@mathfour @dborkovitz Come back next time. And engage in between. It's
less#mathfight-ing
ing and more "Oh, Bon's right"-ing.
right" ;-) #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:04:48 +0000 - tweet id 129725266326069248 - #708
@j_lanier I teach best when I plan rich tasks, rather than trying to plan out a class period.
#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:05:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129725341064372225
1297253 - #711
@ColinTGraham OK, that's it for today! Thanks for your contributions everyone... follow
@mathchat to keep updated on any changes #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:05:08 +0000 - tweet id 129725351961174016 - #712
@LinaSouid @mathfour Not if I have anything to do with it. "Bon's right???!" No

way!#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:05:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129725453152956416 - #715
@ColinTGraham Great to see some new people finding us too! Don't forget to follow them
as well! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:05:43 +0000 - tweet id 129725498380132354 - #716
@Turkeydoodles @j_lanier Yup - when spirited discussion over runs the end of class, I
know I got it right. >:) #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:05:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129725539148763136 - #719
@LinaSouid RT @Turkeydoodles: @j_lanier Yup - when spirited discussion over runs the
end
nd of class, I know I got it right. >:) #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:06:05 +0000 - tweet id 129725588054360064 - #720
@stefras @ColinTGraham The times are changing,

ch but is #mathchat still scheduled at the
same relative time?
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:06:06 +0000 - tweet id 129725595788652544 - #722
@mathfour @LinaSouid Just voted! Y'all do it too: http://t.co/DFYLNx1d #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:06:06 +0000 - tweet id 129725593230118913 - #723
@mariposajanine just like #mathchat RT @Turkeydoodles: @j_lanier Yup - when spirited

discussion over runs the end of class, I know I got it right. >:)
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:06:14 +0000 - tweet id 129725627006844928
12972 - #726
@LinaSouid RT @mathfour: @LinaSouid Just voted! Y'all do it too:http://t.co/swQ35qJV

too:
#mathchat Thanks hon! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:06:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129725687232864256 - #729
@ColinTGraham To explain the time shift... Thu/Fri is fixed at 00:00 GMT whether or not
you have daylight saving... Monday is 20:30 London time #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:06:48 +0000 - tweet id 129725770749837312 - #730
@stefras @dborkovitz Bye #mathchat

Fri Oct 28 01:06:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129725790882500608 - #733
@mathfour @Turkeydoodles
eydoodles @LinaSouid @j_lanier Well, perhaps we need to define
"spirited"... ;-) #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:06:59 +0000 - tweet id 129725815473713152 - #734
@Turkeydoodles @j_lanier Everything with is a joke, even when she's

serious.#mathchat ;)
Fri Oct 28 01:07:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129725842170462209 - #737
@malynmawby @ColinTGraham i just followed @mathchat and happy to see that I am

(still) following you. :)
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:07:10 +0000 - tweet id 129725861963382784 - #738
@mathfour @ColinTGraham Too

Too many words. Can you do a video? I get so
lost.#mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:07:25 +0000 - tweet id 129725926069112833 - #739
@mathfour Did you leave something out RT @Turkeydoodles: @j_lanier Everything with
is a joke, even when shes serious.
erious. #mathchat ;) #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:07:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726004657790976 - #742
@ColinTGraham SO, from Monday, #mathchat may be 1 hour later for many
m of you until
daylight saving ends (if it does) and Thu/Fri may be 1 hour earlier!
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:07:45 +0000 - tweet id 129726008210366464 - #743
@j_lanier #mathchat Please do check out http://t.co/mOnEN6IW I helped to write the

letter, and I think it expresses much of value.
Fri Oct 28 01:08:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726103324598272 - #746
@LinaSouid @mathfour He he he. Well I think spirited means ..... #mathchat Bon then
interjects with a diff definition.
efinition. Colin moderates. Hour is lost.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:08:09 +0000 - tweet id 129726111092449280 - #747
@Turkeydoodles @ColinTGraham Leave it to a mathmatician to make it complicated ! ;)

#mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:08:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726150590205952 - #750
@ColinTGraham You can get your local time from the link on the #mathchat
#mathcha wiki... if you
are a bear of very little brain, like Pooh! http://t.co/0BVcnsmy
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:08:39 +0000 - tweet id 129726234748919809 - #751
@ColinTGraham You can get your local time from the link on the #mathchat wiki... if you
are a bear of very little
ittle brain, like Pooh! http://t.co/0BVcnsmy
Fri Oct 28 01:08:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726234748919809 - #752
@LinaSouid RT @Turkeydoodles: @ColinTGraham Leave it to a mathmatician to make it

complicated ! ;) #mathchat My head hurts!
Fri Oct 28 01:08:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726261131083777 - #754
@mathfour Shoot me. RT @ColinTGraham: #mathchat is 1 hour later until daylight saving
ends (if it does) and Thu/Fri is 1 hour
hou earlier! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:08:56 +0000 - tweet id 129726307142615040 - #755
@stefras @j_lanier Rich tasks have a life of their own. Mix with kids and can get great
math. Lesson is rigid and inhibits. #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:08:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726311848624129 - #758
@LinaSouid RT @j_lanier: #mathchat Please do check out http://t.co/mOnEN6IW I

helped to write the letter, and I think it expresses much of value.
Fri Oct 28 01:09:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726545160970240
29726545160970240 - #762
@ColinTGraham @LinaSouid @Turkeydoodles Blah! it's easy... Friday fixed, Monday

moves... daylight saving
ving messes things up for a few weeks! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:10:01 +0000 - tweet id 129726578556010496 - #763
@malynmawby @ColinTGraham I'd rather be Pooh Bear than Eeyore so I will check the
#mathchat wiki.
Fri Oct 28 01:10:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726588643311616 - #766
@mathfour RT @ColinTGraham: You can get your local time from the link on
the#mathchat wiki... http://t.co/yhUNzF1N #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:10:11 +0000 - tweet id 129726621119815680 - #767
@dweksler RT @malynmawby: @ColinTGraham I'd rather be Pooh Bear than Eeyore so

I will check the #mathchat wiki.
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:10:22 +0000 - tweet id 129726669203320834 - #770
@delta_dc Here's an example of how I planned units: http://t.co/yum95G53

.co/yum95G53 #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:10:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726672651042816 - #773
@stefras @ColinTGraham Write it on the times on the #mathchat site.

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:10:27 +0000 - tweet id 129726688736190464 - #774
@mathfour I gotta go put the girl to bed. Miss me, y'all! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:10:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726699511365632 - #777
@ColinTGraham You can also cut and paste the iCAL link on the #mathchat wiki into your
calendar too if you want ;-)
Fri Oct 28 01:11:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129726891941826561 - #780
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham Head hurts because of mental turmoil over definitions of

agenda,, goals, authentic, spiritual, and something else. #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:11:23 +0000 - tweet id 129726923084537859 - #781
@ColinTGraham They are already there Shawn! I just always need to remind people
around now... RT @stefras:
as: Write it on the times on the #mathchat site.
Fri Oct 28 01:12:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129727094526705665 - #784
@stefras @ColinTGraham :) #mathchat

Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:12:23 +0000 - tweet id 129727175753605121 - #785
@ColinTGraham @LinaSouid Maybe that's because you teach engineers and not
mathematicians, Lina.... ;-)) <does evil laugh> #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:13:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129727392695595011 - #788
@stefras Temper! :) RT @ColinTGraham: Blah! it's easy...

easy... Friday fixed, Monday moves...
daylight saving messes things up for a few weeks! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:13:32 +0000 - tweet id 129727466314010625 - #789
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham Perhaps! #mathchat I'm not cut out to play with the 'big
boys'!
Fri Oct 28 01:14:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129727600259108864 - #792
@ColinTGraham SO, thanks once again everyone, and see you on Monday, if you get the
times straight ;-)) Don't say you haven't been warned...! #mathchat
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:14:30 +0000 - tweet id 129727707184496640 - #797
@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham
ColinTGraham Thanks. I had a great time. Thanks for all the mentions, RT
and follows! #mathchat Vote linasouid.wordpress.com
Fri Oct 28 01:15:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129727886067367936
12972788606736793 - #800
@stefras Thank you everyone for a great #mathchat.. Thanks, Colin, @ColinTGraham, for
the topic and moderating. Did we even address the topic?
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:49 +0000 - tweet id 129728039478235136 - #801
@dweksler @stefras Excellent question about addressing the topic. Several topics WERE
discussed! #mathchat
Fri Oct 28 01:19:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129729059608465408 - #804
@ColinTGraham @stefras Oh I think we addressed it, just didn't hit iti for six...#mathchat
topic, 54 Over Here Street, Maybe Over There Town, In a State!
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:20:56 +0000 - tweet id 129729326773051392 - #805

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@stefras #mathchat NOW! To what extent should lessons be planned or spontaneous?

Fri Oct 28 00:01:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 129709227215294465 - #4

@stefras Hmmm! #mathchat

@mathfour Hmm... so "To what extent should lessons be planned or

@davidwees RT @stefras: #mathchat NOW! To what extent should lessons be planned

@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, not #mathchat ing yet? ;-)

@ColinTGraham Today's topic: To what extent should lessons be planned or

@davidwees #mathchat We need more lessons

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Nope - we seem to just be all repeating the topic.#mathchat

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham We're like students - lost without

@stefras @ColinTGraham @davidwees @republicofmath Hi folks. #mathchat

@davidwees #mathchat It is impossible to script authentic questions

@stefras @davidwees ANd which

@mathfour @republicofmath @stefras I think teachers should

@republicofmath @mathfour Oh, I agree. But still

@stefras @mathfour @davidwees I do this everytime. SO long as I know what the

@ColinTGraham @stefras @davidwees @republicofmath @padgets Hi all!#mathchat

@davidwees #mathchat The math facts which I'm most

@stefras @davidwees SO are you asking if students can create authentic

@mathfour @padgets Hey there! #mathchat

@republicofmath BTW log(x^2)=2log(x)+2*i*pi*floor(1/2-arg(x0/Pi)

@mathfour @delta_dc Aren't

@stefras @ColinTGraham Good choice. Love the topic. #mathchat

@republicofmath @mathfour Hmm! I wasn't prepared for that distinction. Something to

@mathheadinc @LinaSouid Authentic student questions here:

@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham I always start out with a 'plan' or road-map

@davidwees @ColinTGraham I agree. An inflexible plan

@ColinTGraham Pride from your sense of achievement? RT @davidwees: #mathchatThe

@LinaSouid @stefras @delta_dc

@mathfour @stefras My spontaneous teaching is much more spectacular (and

@stefras @padgets Hi Sharon #mathchat

@Mr_Brett_Clark RT @davidwees: #mathchat We need more lessons in math that start

@delta_dc What do we do about it? >> MT @ColinTGraham:

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc You can adjust 'planning' to understand/explore why

@midhamohit RT @gaw101: “@davidwees: #mathchat We need more lessons in math

@republicofmath Not in my experience. @mathfour Students have the MOST authentic

@delta_dc @mathfour Winging it with a purpose, improv, or total chaos? #mathchat

@dborkovitz @davidwees @stefras student asked why 1/3+1/3+1/3=1

@ddubs08 anyone ever done an inquire based approach

@padgets #mathchat I say CHAOS!!!

@republicofmath In my experience students have difficulty formulating

@LinaSouid @ColinTGraham Exactly! Plan diversions! #mathchat

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham Yes! The purpose of the 'plan' is important. #mathchat

@dweksler RT @LinaSouid: @ColinTGraham Exactly! Plan diversions! #mathchat

@LinaSouid @stefras @ColinTGraham I think that exploration is great. But teachers

@LinaSouid @stefras @ColinTGraham I think that exploration is great.

@dborkovitz @padgets welcome....

@ColinTGraham @stefras @mathfour Does age play a factor in the degree of

@mathfour @padgets Don't worry. You're not

@delta_dc Why we need a plan to model this process >> RT @republicofmath: In my

@mathfour @davidwees Do you have a book of these fabulous retweetables or what?

@Peter_J_King RT @gaw101: “@davidwees: #mathchat We need more lessons in math

@mathfour @republicofmath It might be up to the grownup

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @LinaSouid @stefras @davidwees Don't always agree.

@ColinTGraham @padgets Too spontaneous for you Sharon? ;-)

@LinaSouid @davidwees @mathfour @stefras #mathchat I think that is a good point.

@tweedcap RT @ColinTGraham: Two questions/points... plans should not always be set

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat oh YEA! the more the merrier! :0)

@dweksler Does project-based/problem

@mathfour @LinaSouid @stefras @davidwees How do you make questions? Do you

@davidwees #mathchat Doesn't contrived mean something like: "planned in advance." By

@padgets @dweksler #mathchat

@stefras @dborkovitz Hi Debra. #mathchat

@mathfour @LinaSouid What is your definition

@republicofmath BTW log(x^2)=2log(x)+2ipi*floor(1/2-arg(x0/Pi)

@j_lanier When I plan a bunch, centered on my goals, my lessons often

@ColinTGraham @dborkovitz I know a lot of elementary/primary teachers have huge