Fwd: [SEFI] Re: Query on dynamic load as per IS 1893

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---------- Forwarded message ---------From: ishacon <forum@sefindia.org> Date: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:34 AM Subject: [SEFI] Re: Query on dynamic load as per IS 1893 To: general@sefindia.org Dear All, This query was posted as early as March 2003 by me and it was suitably replied by Mr. Rajeev Sharma of CSI on 16 March 2003, Ms Alpa after due discussions with Dr A.S. Arya on 16 March 2003 also , who all agreed as under : The specific issue to be noted is that research has shown that appendages do attract very high seismic shear whuich can not be computed by conventional Equivalent lateral load methods since the buiklding part above terrace level has much smaller stiffness than that of the base which gives rise to vertical irregularity. Remember that only the support system of the appendages needs to be analysed & designed for stability for 5 times the seismic coefficient.However the main building it is sufficient to model the weight of appendage at roof level and take height only upto terrace level. However there was one dissenting statement from Prof. A.R. Chandrasekaran who opined on 18 march 2003 that this punitive clause was introduced in earlier codes to discourage such projections. He poiinted out that since most MS buildings are now analysed using sophisticated computer models, these appendages should be modelled with the main building and then no additional forces are needed to be considered. My take is that if the appendage constitutes only 10 to 15% of the roof area, create a separate model for this above roof level and design the columns or stub columns alongwith connecting beams above terrace for 5 times the lumped mass. Ensure that main building columhns reinf required extends up to

midheight of the floor below roof. I also agree with Vipul Ahuja about UBC and present IBC requiremennts are identical : "Having said that for high-rise buildings, the base shear coeff turns out to be less than even 0.02; and 5 times that is only 0.1. I know that long back as per UBC the minimum lateral force for non-structural components, the lateral force used to be 0.3."

I hope all respected professors would agree with stetements made above. If not, kindly elucidate. Regards, V.P. Agarwal ISHA CONSULTANTS (P) LTD CHHATTARPUR, NEW DELHI 110 074 PH : 011-26301158 ; 093 1345 2180 ; 098 6826 2759 Quote: -- Original Message -From: Kumar_Abhishek_Singh (forum@sefindia.org) To: general@sefindia.org (general@sefindia.org) Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: [SEFI] Query on dynamic load as per IS 1893

Dear all, As per clause 7.12.2.2 of IS 1893 which says "Tower, tank, parapets, smoke stacks and other vertical cantilever projections attached to buildings and projecting above the roof, shall be designed and checked for stability for five times the design horizontal seismic coefficient Ah specified in 6.4.2. In analysis of the building, the weight of these projecting elements will be lumped with the roof weight." Pertaining to this clause my queries are mentioned below seriatim: 1. How do we interpret and apply this clause to STAAD/ETABs model? 2. If we are modelling the entire building with full accuracy, that is upto terrace as well as all the projecting elements above terrace are exactly modelled in software then do we need to lump the weight of the projecting elements (above terrace), along with the terrace? 3. In case of high rise buildings these projections, inclusive are part of a framed structure in which the columns erect from shear walls coming from the foundation. Since these water tanks, elevation features etc. all are framed and have considerable

stiffness (for eg, water tank walls provide a lot of stiffness) can they actually be considered as "cantilevered" and thereby moving independently and actually "fixed" to the terrace? 4. Suppose that we are somehow able to model the earthquake for this part as 5 times, then what about it's effect onto the building portion below? Suppose we have a 30 storey building, then practically the plans, sections and other drawings of the cantilevered projections above terrace are finalised by the time we reach 25th floor. Now if I increase the earthquake of this part (by exactly modelling it in software), what about it's effect on the lower part of the building, as the lower part has been casted? 5. Suppose, as per cluase, we lump this mass with the terrace floor, then do we need to increase the seismic coefficient by 5 times for terrace only? 6. Finally, for such a clause to apply, what is the height of the building to be taken for calculation of time period- height upto terrace or height upto the top of the cantilevered projection? Kindly advise...

Thank you, Kumar Abhishek Singh Deputy Manager-Structures, DLF Ltd.

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