Andrla Manukh

AMdrlw mnu`K
(Sbd ic`qr)
LyKk: rGbIr isMG qIr
mwJw pMjwbI s`Q qrn qwrn
iesy klm qoN :1. pRvwz (kwiv sMgRih) 2007 2. drdW dy kwi&ly (kwiv sMgRih) 2007 3. myrI pwiksqwn PyrI (suic`qr sPrnwmw) 2008 4. swihq swZr dy moqI (sMpwdnw sWJw kwiv sMgRih) 2008 5. iqMn rMg nhIN l`Bxy (sMpwdnw sWJw kwiv sMgRih) 2008 6. mwJw drSn (mwJy dw bhu p`KI srvyKx) 2010 7. sdwko ( kwiv sMgRih) 2010 8. qRYbYxI (qRYBwSI coxvW khwxI sMgRih) 2011
AMdrlw mnu`K
(Sbd ic`qr)
rGbIr isMG qIr pusqk pRwpq krn leI pqw: # 5/174, muh`lw rofUpurw, qrn qwrn-143401 (pMjwb) Bwrq + 91-98151- 45564(M) EMail-raghbirsingh42@gmail.com
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kOx hY AMdrlw mnu`K ?
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ie`k kwlm nvIs :
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SRImqI PUlW rwxI ieh g`l sMn 1969 dI hY jdoN mYN bqOr ieMspYktr PUf AYNf splweIz izlHw gurdwspur dI mMfI sRI hrgoibMdpur ivKy inXukq sI qW aus smyN hI pMjwb rwj ibjlI borf dy AYs.fI.E sR. gurnwm isMG jI ivrdI vI au~Qy inXukq sn[ sRI hrgoibMdpur koeI v`fw Sihr nhIN hY sgoN ie`k ksbw hI hY ij`Qy srkwrI mulwzm vI koeI izAwdw nhIN sn[ myrI mulwkwq audoN hI sR. gurnwm isMG jI ivrdI nwl hoeI sI[ ieh mulwkwq holI hOlI dosqI Aqy iPr GrylU sWJ iv`c qbdIl ho geI sI[ AsIN Awm krky dovyN izAwdw smW iek`Ty hI rihMdy sW[ ies dosqI dI kVI iv`c ie`k hor s`jx vI Swml sI ijhVw ik srkwrI mulwzm qW nhIN sI sgoN ie`k suliJAw hoieAw ikrswn sI[ auh nyVly ipMf rwmpurw dw rihx vwlw sI Aqy aus dw nW sI sR. Drm isMG pM[ dPqrI kMm kwj inptwaux auprMq swfI iqMnW dI bYTk Aksr huMdI rihMdI sI[ myrI Aqy ivrdI swihb dI nyVqw qW eynIN izAwdw sI ik lok ikhw krdy sn ik jy kr ivrdI swihb imlxw hY qW rGbIr isMG l`B lvo[ sRI hrgoibMdpur rihMidAW hoieAW hI ivrdI swihb dI mMgxI dI g`l c`lI sI Aqy aunHW dy kihx qy hI mYN aunHW dI hox vwlI pqnI vyKx jwx leI aunHW dy nwl AMimRqsr igAw sW[ ijs lVkI vyKx vwsqy AsIN gey sW auh mShUr ic`qrkwr srdwrnI PUlW rwxI jI dI bytI sI[ ies qrHW aus pirvwr nwl myrI ieh pihlI mulwkwq sI[ ivrdI swihb dI SwdI iv`c SrIk hox dw vI mY Avsr imilAw sI[ ivrdI swihb nwl ieh sWJ A`j q`k vI auvyN hI kwiem hY[ hux jdoN ik AsIN dovyN hI syvw mukq ho c`ky hW, ieh ipAwr Aqy siqkwr kwiem hY[ myrw mihkmw hI kuJ Aijhw sI ik lMmy smyN q`k mY AwpxI swihqk m`s dbweI r`Kxw ipAw sI[ swihqk ^yqr iv`c AwpxIAW rIJW pUrIAW krn dw mOkw syvw mukqI auprMq hI iml sikAw hY[ mYN ie`k idn iksy swihqk kMm leI s. gurnwm isMG jI ivrdI ijhVy ik ibjlI borf iv`coN bqOr suprfYNt ieMnjInIAr syvw mukq hoey sn dy Gr phuMc igAw[ mYN jdoN aunHW Awpxy Awaux dw sb`b dìsAw ik mYN ie`k ikqwb ilK irhw hW aus vwsqy mYN mwsI jI (srdwrnI PUlW rwxI) dw ieMtrivaU lYxw cwhuMdw hW,qW auh h`s ky boilAw,"qUM is`Dw hI clw jWdw[ qY vI qW mMmI jI jwxdy hI hn[" Awi^r AsIN dovyN hI PUlW rwxI jI dI koTI phuMc gey[ jdoN AsIN aunHW dI koTI phuMcy qW auh Gr iv`c hI swfw ieMqzwr kr rhy sn[ jwx qoN pihlW ivrdI jI ny aunHW Pon kr id`qw sI ik AsIN Aw rhy hW[ siq sRI Akwl bulwaux ip`CoN AsIN swry Awrwm nwl frwieMg rUm iv`c bYT gey[ mYN jdoN aunHW Awpxy Awaux dw pRXojn dìsAw qW auh h`s ky boly,"qusIN myry b`cy ho[ koeI Epry QoVHy eI E[ g`lW bwqW qW huMdIAW hI rihxgIAW[ pihlW AwpW grmw-grm cwh Aqy pkOVy KweIey[ bwkI dy kMm bwAd 'c pihlW pyt-pUrqI zrUrI hY[ KwlI iF`f kwhdI ieMtrivaU?" AsW
swirAW ny grmw-grm cwh pkOiVAW dw AwnMd mwixAw qy iPr SurU hoieAw islislw suAwlW juAwbW dw jo hyT Anuswr hY[ suAwl: kI qusIN Awpxy jnm Aqy pirvwr sbMDI cwnxw pwEgy ? jvwb: myrw jnm imqI 12-12-1923 fwktr sR. rwm isMG jI jo aus smyN dy mMnyNpRmMny fwktr sn dy gRih ivKy Sihr AMimRqsr dy muh`lw bMby vwlw KUh ivKy hoieAw[ myrI mwqw jI dw nwm srdwrnI srsvqI sI[ pirvwr iv`c myry cwr Brw Aqy AsIN iqMn BYxW hW[ suAwl: qusIN AwpxI ivìdAk Xogqw ik`QoN q`k Aqy iks QW qoN pRwpq kIqI hY ? jvwb: vwihgurU dI ikrpw nwl swfw pirvwr ie`k ûShwl pirvwr sI ijs krky myry mwpy ies g`l dy smr`Q sn ik auh Asw cMgI qwlIm dy skdy[ mYN dsvIN q`k dI ivìdAw AMimRqsr Sihr iv`c hI ie`k kOnvYNt skUl iv`c pRwpq kIqI hY[ ies qoN A` gy dI ivìdAw bI.ey. q`k mYN AMimRqsr dy kwlj iv`c pRwpq kIqI sI[ suAwl: kI qusIN Awpxy gRihsQI jIvn bwry myrw Bwv hY AwpxI SwdI bwry vI kuJ d`sxw munwsb smJogy ? jvwb: qusIN myry b`cy ho Aqy jdoN bìcAW nwl Awpxy jIvn dIAW purwxIAW XwdW iv`c Jwkx dw mOkw imldw hY qW mn bhuq hI skUn imldw hY[jIvn dI iPlm ijhI A`KW A`gy c`l jWdI hY[ myrI SwdI sMn 1944 iv`c sR. SmSyr isMG jI spu`qr sR. krqwr isMG jI nwl hoeI sI,ijhVy aus smyN dy AYm.ey. pws sn Aqy AMgryz hkUmq dy smyN ieMjInAr vjoN inXukq sn[ myry shurw swihb sR. krqwr isMG jI vI mShUr ieMjInIAr sn ijnHW ny s`^r dirAw qy pul bMinHAw sI[ myry pirvwr iv`c myry b`cy bhuq hI hoxhwr hn Aqy mYN pUrI qrHW Awpxy jIvn iv`c sMquSt hW[ suAwl: qusIN koml klw dI dunIAW myrw Bwv hY ic`qrkwrI jgq iv`c ie`k pRis`DI Aqy Sohrq dy AsQwn qy ho[ ies bulMdI q`k phuMcx leI quhwfy jIvn swQI dw quhwfy leI kI Xogdwn irhw hY? kuJ ies bwry vI d`so[ jvwb: qusI jwxdy hI ik jIvn dI g`fI dy do phIey huMdy hn[ jykr ieh rl ky nhIN c`ldy qW jIvn pMD muSklW BirAw ho jWdw hY[ c`ldI hoeI g`fI ruk jWdI hY pr mYN ies p`KoN ûSiksmq hW ik myry pqI jI bhuq hI AgWh vDU ivcwrw dy sn[ myry ies kwrz ^yqr iv`c aunHW dw Xogdwn SlwGwXog irhw hY[ auh Awp vI Dwrimk ibrqI dy mwlk sn Aqy aunHW dw ies klw nwl bhuq hI lgwE sI[ aunHW koloN mY hmySw A`gy v`Dx dw bl hI imilAw sI[ auh myry p`Q drSk bx ky jIvy hn[ suAwl:quhwfw ic`qr klw v`l ruJwn ikvyN bixAw ? kI quhwfw mn iksy sroq qoN pRBwivq ho ky ies jgq v`l AwieAw sI ? jvwb: mYN jdoN Ajy pRwiemrI jmwq iv`c (myrw iKAwl hY Swied pMjvIN jmwq iv`c sW) qW aus smyN mYN rMgdwr pYnislW lY ky aunHW nwl qsvIrW bxwieAw krdI sI[ mY AwpxI aus AMgryz tIcr dw nwm qW hux Xwd nhI, auh myrIAW bxweIAW hoeIAW qsvIrW vyK ky bhuq ûS hoieAw krdI sI Aqy SwbwS idAw krdI sI[ Swied aus dI kIqI hoeI pRSMsw hI myrw ies klw v`l vDx dw sroq sI ijs ny mY A`j ies mukwm qy ilAw KVw kIqw hY[ ies iv`c myry ipqw jI dw vI Xogdwn ikhw jw skdw hY ijhVy myrIAW mu`F mu`F iv`c ivMgIAW tyFIAW vwhIAW lkIrW vwh vwh dy ky myrw mnobl vDwieAw krdy sn[ suAwl: hux jdoN qusI AwpxI klw dy isKr qy ho qW kI d`sogy ik iesy ^yqr dy Swh Asvwr sR. soBw isMG jI dw quhwfy Aqy quhwfIAW klw ikrqw qy kI pRBwv irhw hY? jvwb: srdwr soBw isMG jI myry pUjxXog hn[ myry mn iv`c aunHW leI bhuq hI siqkwr hY[ aunHW dI ic`qrklw vyK ky mn iv`c hor krn dw auqSwh pRbl huMdw sI[ mYN aunHW dy ic`qr ies qrHW vyKdI huMdI sW ijvyN koeI bwl klwkwr Awpxy gurU dIAW krwmwqI ikrqW vyK ky aunHW iv`c guAwc jWdw hY[
suAwl: jdoN qusI iksy ivAkqI dw ic`qr bxwauNdy ho qW aus smyN quhwfy mn dI ikho ijhI AvsQw huMdI hY ? jvwb: s`c qW ieh hY ik iksy S^sIAq ic`qrx qoN pihlW aus dw jIvn, suBwA, Aqy aus AMdr swrIAW ÛbIAW jW aUxqweIAW qoN quhwfw jwxU hoxw bhuq hI zrUrI huMdw hY[ ic`qr iv`c vI auh mnu`K jIaUNdw jwpy[jy kr qusIN ienHW cIjW Awpxy mn dy kYnvs qy auqwry ibnW hI koiSS krogy qW auh quhwfI ikrq inrjIv jwpygI[ quhwfI muhwrq iesy iv`c hY ik qusIN bxweI hoeI mUrq nwl g`lW kr sko[ jdoN qusIN aus iv`c fu`b ky ic`qr aulIkogy qW qusIN aus dIAW A`KW iv`c cmk Br skogy[ A`KW hI iksy mnu`K dy AMdr jwx dw rsqw huMdIAW hn[ jy kr qusI ies qrHW nhIN krdy qW quhwfI klw inrjIv,boJl Aqy byloVI bx ky rih jwvygI[ suAwl: jdoN qusIN Pu`l bUty ic`qr rhy huMdy ho qW AwpxI mwnisk hwlq dy iks ql qy ivcr rhy huMdy ho ? jvwb: kudrq quhw glvkVI iv`c lY ky mW vWg ipAwr krnw locdI hY pr AsIN ABwgy ienswn pdwrQvwdI soc iv`c ieMnyN ilbV gey hW ik kudrq dIAW iK`cW qoN Awpxy Awp hI dUurI Aqy ip`T krI bYTy hW[ qusIN iksy Pu`l dy nyVy jwvo[ AwpxIAW A`KW aus iv`c g`f idE[ auh quhw ipAwrw ipAwrw l`gygw[ auh quhwfy nwl g`lW krdw AnuBv hovygw[ qusIN pdwrQvwdI dunIAW Bu`l ky s`c dI vwdI iv`c hovogy[ jdoN qusIN AijhI AvsQw dy Drwql qy huMdy ho qW qusI smwDI dI AvsQw iv`c huMdy ho[ies AvsQw iv`c jw ky burS Awpxy Awp aus myrI kYnvs qy auqr jwx leI mzbUr kr idMdy hn[ qusIN myrI pyNitMg "klw Aqy ikRSmw" vyKI hovygI[ ie`k klwkwr AOrq Prym iv`c ic`qr irhw hY pr aus AOrq dw K`bw pYr Prym qoN bwhr drswieAw hY[ ArQ spSt hn ik ic`qrkwr dI rcnw ieMnIN ijMdw hY ik auh Prym qoN bwhr ie`k jIaUNdy hoey ienswn vWg bwhr AwauNdI hoeI AnuBv huMdI hY[ suAwl: qusIN AwpxIAW bxweIAW hoeIAW qsvIrW bwry d`so ik iks iks qrHW dIAW qsvIrW qusI A`j q`k ic`qrIAW hn? jvwb: hr qrHW dIAW qsvIrW mYN ic`qrIAW hn[ rwDw-ikRSn,is`K gurUAW dy ic`qr,pIrWPkIrW dy ic`qr, BgqW, XoiDAW Aqy ShIdW dy ic`qr vI ic`qry hn[ ies qoN ielwvw rwg-rwgnIAW,imrzw-sihbW,suhxI-mhIvwl,rumkdI pvn, gopIAW Aqy aUDv, klw Aqy ikRSmw,bu`D Aqy sujwqw,smW Aqy ijMdgI, XwdW, mIrW bweI,smwDI, mmqw Aqy bhuq swry ic`qrW myry rMgW Aqy burSW dI Coh pRwpq hoeI hY[ ies qoN ielwvw mYN sInrIAW, kWgVw vYlI dy idRS,iKVdy hoey Pu`lW dy ic`qr,Aqy portryt vI ic`qry hn[ s`c khW mYN kudrq Aqy kwdr dI aupwSk hW[ kudrq 'coN kwdr mY nzrIN pYNdw hY[ ijhVI cIz vI mY suhxI l`gdI hY auh myry AMdr dIAW qwrW CyV idMdI hY Aqy jdoN q`k mYN aus Awpxy kYnvs qy auqwr nw lvW myry AMdr ie`k qU&wn ijhw mìcAw rihMdw hY[ au~TidAW bihMidAW myry AMdr auh hI ic`qr GuMmdw rihMdw hY[ ie`Qy ieh vI d`sdI jwvW ik mYN SRI gurU nwnk dyv jI dIAW audwsIAW dy ic`qr vI bxwey hn[ suAwl: ic`qrkwrI jgq iv`c suMdrqw dy qusIN kI ArQ lYNdy ho ? jvwb: mYN ies g`l sOKI qrHW kihx leI quhw rwibMdr nwQ tYgor jI dy bcn d`sdI hW[ auh kihMdy hn "jd mnu`K suMdrqw AnuBv krdw hY qW auh Awpxy AMdr ie`k AnMq SkqI pYdw hoeI mihsUs krdw hY[ jo bwhrlI srb ivAwpI SkqI dw hI pRqIibMb huMdI hY[ pRmwqmw suMdrqw dI bolI iv`c mnu`K nwl g`l krdw hY Aqy mnu`K au~qr idMdw hY, "hW, mYN smJ igAw hW[" ies qrHW kih lvo ik Awqmw Aqy pRmwqmw dy sumyl dw mwiDAm hI suMdrqw hY[ mYN qW ies ies qrHW vI ikhw krdI hW "suMdrqw pRymI dw AwpxI pRymkw qoh&w hY[" jdoN vI koeI Awritst koeI AnuBv AwpxI AMqr Awqmw iv`c ic`qvdw hY qW suMdrqw dw pRkwS Awpxy Awp hI itmitmwaux l`gdw hY[iesy leI qW kihMdy hn:sqXm,iSvm,suMdrm[
suAwl: kI qusIN klw Aqy klwkwr dI shI pRIBwSw d`s ky aunHW dy AwpsI sbMDW qy vI cwnxw pwEgy? juAwb: klwkwr ny iksy Gtnw,iKAwl jW AgMmI soc iv`c vyKy hoey AnuBv ic`qrnw huMdw hY[ iksy vI Gtnw dy XQwrQk ic`qrx kwrIgrI jW iSlp dw nW qW id`qw jw skdw hY pr klw dw nhIN[ kwrIgrI jW iSlp iv`c bwhrI rUp pRDwn huMdw hY[ aus iv`c klwkwr dI SKsIAq dI eynIN QW nhIN huMdI[ pr ie`k klwqimk rcnw iv`coN klwkwr dI S^sIAq aumf aumf ky bwhr AwauNdI hY[ kvI rwibMdr nwQ jI ilKdy hn ik jwpwn dI ie`k Xwqrw dy dOrwn aunHW dI ie`k jwpwnI ic`qrkwr nwl mulwkwq hoeI[ auh AwpxI hr svyr mhwqmw bu`D dI pUjw nwl AwrMB krdw sI Aqy au~QoN hI auh AwpxI klw leI SkqI pRwpq krdw sI[ aus dI pRwQnw sdw ie`k hI huMdI sI: 'hy isRStI dy rcxhwr! mY rUpW Aqy q`QW dI nwSvwnqw dy jwl iv`coN k`F ky AnMqqw Aqy sdIvqw dy rwh pw[ hy pRBU! mYN qY pRxwm krdw hW ikauNik quMU hI sB pRyrnwvW dw somw hY[" swrI g`l dw incoV ieh hY ik hr s`cy klwkwr AwpxI Awqmw qoN pRyrnw lYxI cwhIdI hY[ aus AlockW Aqy isDWqkwrW dI pRvwh nhIN krnI cwhIdI Aqy nw hI pbilk dI mMg jW aus v`loN pRSMsw dw iKAwl krnw cwhIdw hY[ auh kyvl Aqy kyvl AwpxI Awqmw dI Awvwz suxnw cwhIdw hY[ klw leI do pRkwr dI sm`grI dI loV huMdI hY[ ie`k bwhrlI Aqy dUjI AMdrlI[ bwhrlI sm`grI rMg,burS,kwgz Awid[ AMdrlI sm`grI hY Bwvkqw,qus`vr Aqy aus qs`vr iv`c pUrn ivSvwS[ suAwl: quhwfI jwcy ies koml klw Bwv ic`qr klw dw Biv`K ikho ijhw hY? juAwb: ieh koml klw rUh dI bolI hY, rUh dI Kurwk hY,pRmwqmw dw dUsrw nW hY koml klw[ ieh kdI vI mr nhIN skdI[ jdoN jdoN vI ies dy dIvwny ies bwry socxgy ieh v`DdI Pu`ldI hI rhygI[ Aijhw myrw mMnxw hY[ suAwl: jdoN kdy qusIN koeI klw ikrq isrjdy ho,aus smyN dy qknIkI Aml bwry d`so? jvwb: jd koeI suMdr ivcwr mn iv`c Awvy, suMdr idRS dyK ky myrI Bwvnw tuMby mYN aus 'qy bVI gMBIrqw nwl ivcwr krdI hW[ vwr vwr mn dI rucI aus 'qy kyNdirq krdI hW[ Awi^r auh ivcwr myry mn dy prdy 'qy ie`k qs`vr dy rUp iv`c auzwgr huMdw hY, jo rMg Aqy ryKw dI h`dbMdI iv`c sMpUrn huMdw hY[ iPr mYN ies klipq qs`vr burS Aqy rMgW duAwrw kwgz jW kYnvs 'qy ic`qrdI hW[ pr mn auNglW q`k,auNglW qoN burS q`k Aqy burS qoN kYnvs q`k phuMcwauNidAW q`k aus dw kw&I ih`sw guAwc jWdw hY[ aus qs`vr(Idea) pUrnqw dy rUp iv`c ic`qrnw klwkwr dI iebwdq Aqy AiBAws 'qy inrBr krdw hY[ suAwl: quhw quhwfIAW klw ikrqW leI snmwn vI qW imly hoxgy[kI qusIN aunHW bwry koeI crcw krnw cwhogy ? jvwb: s`cy idloN kIqI hoeI ikrq ivArQ nhIN jWdI[ aus dw Pl zrUr hI imldw hY[ myrIAW klw ikrqW vI slwhIAW Aqy snmwnIAW geIAW hn[ ies nwl klwkwr A`goN kuJ nvW krn leI pRyrnw vI imldI hY Aqy idRVqw vI[ mYN pRmwqmw koloN hmySW ieh mMg krdI hW ik pRBU mwx siqkwr dyvIN pr mn iv`c haUmw Aqy hMkwr nw dyvIN ikauNik ieh klwkwr ivnwS v`l lY jWdy hn[ suAwl: hux jdoN ik qusIN ies ^yqr dIAW pRwpqIAW dI bulMdI 'qy ho[ kI Ajy vI quhwfw koeI supnw ADUrw hY ijs dI pUrqI dI qusIN lwlsw krdy ho? juAwb: mYN cwhuMdI hW ik pRmwqmw mY hmdrdI,ipAwr,sihj Aqy suMdrqw dw ^jwnw bKSy[ dUsirAW ûS krn dI smr`Qw dyvy[ mY muAw& krn Aqy iksy dI glqI ivswr dyx dw bl (Gorget & forgiveness) b^Sy[ suAwl: ienswn dy AMqly pVwA Bwv mOq bwry quhwfy kI ivcwr hn?
juAwb: mOq ie`k At`l scweI hY,hkIkq hY Aqy ies Gtnw ny ie`k nw ie`k idn vwprnw hI hY[ A`j nhIN qW k`lH ies ny Awauxw hI hY[ Awpxw srIr C`fx qoN pihlW myrI ie`k qmMnw hY ik mYN Awly-duAwly ibhqr bxw ky jwvW[ klwqimk Aqy auswrU kMm kridAW sihj AvsQw iv`c Awqmw pRvwz kr jwvy bhuq cMgI g`l hY[ ies qrHW ieh jIvn Xwqrw bVI AwnMdmeI Aqy ÛbsUrq l`gygI[ suAwl: quhwfI koeI ie`Cw hY? juAwb: jIvn Xwqrw bVI sMquSt rhI hY[ ies jIvn Xwqrw dw koeI vI pVwA BwvyN auh ûSI dw sI jW Zm dw, s`c jwixAw jy mYN bVy hI sbr sMqoK nwl jIivAw hY[ aus dy Bwxy iv`c rihx dI Ardws kIqI hY[ kmweI ikrq kridAW bzurgW dw siqkwr, bìcAW ipAwr kIqw hY Aqy kMm vI pUrI qndyhI nwl kIqw hY[ kIqI hoeI ikrq kmweI vwsqy ienwm Aqy r`j ky siqkwr vI imilAw hY[ eyQoN q`k ik Awritst dw mwx pRwpq krky pYnSn nwl vI invwizAw igAw hY[ suAwl: qusIN ie`k Awritst ho[ ijs koml klw dy qusIN vxzwry ho,myrI smJ Anuswr aus dw rsIAw, pRmwqmw dy bhuq nyVy huMdw hY[ pRmwqmw dI hoNd bwry kuJ khogy? juAwb: pRmwqmw dw dUsrw nW s`c hY,suMdrqw hY Aqy ies dw rUp vI suMdrqw hY[ swfI brûrdwrI iesy g`l iv`c hY ik aus dI rcI hoeI kwienwq AwpxI klw jW ikrq duAwrw ibhqr C`f ky jweIey[ ie`k mn ho ky kIqI hoeI cwh sdw swkwr hoeI hY[ ies leI koiSS kro,imhnq kro Aqy ju`ty rho[ hox vwlI g`l zrUr hovygI,auh ibhqr jwxdw hY[ suAwl: kMm kridAW qusI kdy AkyvW(boredom) susqI(dulness) jW Qkwvt vI mihsUs kIqI hY jW nhIN? juAwb: kdy nhIN[ mn iv`c jd ivcwr AwieAw clo kMm krIey, SurU kr id`qw Aqy iPr bor ikauN? "swihb myrw nIq nvw sdw sdw dwqwru]" ikauNik jd AwpW kMm leI iqAwr br iqAwr ho ky jUJdy hW qW mUf(mood), bor(bore) jW fl(dull) mihsUs krnw ikauN? s`c qW ieh hY ik jykr qusIN mihsUs krogy qW ieh sB mihsUs hovygw[ jd qusIN h`Qly kMm C`f ky dUsrw kMm pkV lvogy qW aus kMm nw cwhuMidAW vI qbdIlI pRdwn krdw hY[ Qkwvt AwauNdI hI nhIN[ jdoN Swm AwauNdI hY qW kIqy hoey kMm dI Qkwvt quhw auqnI hI suMdr nINd pRdwn krdI hY[ qusIN bYTy bYTy hI sON jWdy ho[ jykr koeI hor qklIP(problem) hY qW aus dw POrn h`l kro Aqy iPr Bulw idau[ suAwl: quhwfI ishq dw rwz[ quhwfI ûrwk Aqy quhwfy kI SONk hn? juAwb: jo iml jwvy, vwihgurU dw nwm lY ky Cko,sB AMimRq hY[ Awpxy Awp ivhly nw r`Ko, kMm 'qy l`gy rho[ klwqimk rucIAW ûd SkqI pYdw krdIAW hn[ ûSI Aqy SwqI idMdIAW hn[ iksy du`K nw idE[ Zlq bol nw bolo, dUsry dI mdd kro, hmdrdI Aqy ipAwr kro[ Simple living and high thinking dy AwsUl Awpxw jIvn isDWq bx lvo[ ishq vI TIk Aqy Aqy qusIN vI ûS[ suAwl:ieh jIvn soc quhw ik`QoN imlI hY? juAwb: mY Xwd nhIN[ CotI aumr iv`c mW mr geI sI[ v`fy swry hI ipAwr vwly sn[ koeI kmI mihsUs nhIN hoeI[ sBnW dw ipAwr,Xog vrqwE,cMgI sMgq, sMquilq ûrwk, aus dy hukm iv`c rihxw, AwKy l`gxw[ mY qW pRmwqmw Aqy vìfAW qoN ipAwr Aqy siqkwr hI imilAw hY[ suAwl: qusIN ie`k ivl`Kx S^sIAq dw rUp id`sdy ho[ qusIN Awpxy jIvn iv`c Awpxy GrylU kwrzW dy nwl nwl AwpxI klw ikrq dy kMm ikvNy inBwieAw hY? myrw Bwv hY bìcAW dI sWB sMBwl, Gr dI szwvt, smwijk kwrvweIAW, bìcAW dIAW SwdIAW dy Jmyly Awid ikvyN sMBwilAw hY?
juAwb: mYN ijs vI kMm h`Q pwieAw hY aus kdy ADvwty nhIN CìfAw,pUrw kIqw hY[ bìcAW dy vMn-suvMny svYtr Awp bxwey,Gr dI sUeI slweI vgYrw vgYrw[ b`s, vkq sI aus dI pUrI pUrI Xog vrqoN kIqI, ivhlw nhIN bYTxw[ myrw ieh isDWq sI, "Change of work is the best rest." suAwl: qusIN ie`k AOrq ho[ AOrq hox dy nwqy klw dy ^yqr iv`c ivcridAW hoieAW quhw kdy koeI AOkV AweI hovy? juAwb: mY kdy koeI AOkV nhIN AweI[ mYN AOkV koeI cIz smJdI hI nhIN[ mYN hmySW nvyN rwh bxwaux iv`c ivSvws r`KdI hW[ vgdy pwxI A`gy koeI rok lw ky aus rokx dw auprwlw kro,auh kuJ smyN leI qW bySk ruk igAw huMdw hY pr jdoN auh rok dUr ho jWdI hY qW pwxI pihly vyg nwloN vI qyz gqI nwl vih qurdw hY[ mnu`KI Awqmw dw ipAwr hI ie`ko ie`k Aijhw swDn hY jo haUmY dy pVdy htw ky mnu`KI Awqmw srvivAwpI bxw idMdw hY[ iksy vI ivSy 'qy, ik`qy jW iSlpkwrI dw kMm hovy, ijMnW icr aus pRqI ipAwr dI Bwvnw nw hovy AsIN aus gRihx nhIN kr skdy jW Apxw nhIN skdy[ ipAwr BwvyN AwpxI klw nwl hovy, vsqU nwl hovy jW ivAkqI nwl hovy g`l ie`ko hY[ suAwl: bhuq kuJ jwx ilAw hY pr ie`k hor suAwl ijhVw myry izhn iv`c hY aus bwry vI jwxn dI qlb hY[ auh ieh ik ic`qr klw Aqy sMgIq klw dw AwpsI sbMD kI hY? jvwb: klw dw ieiqhws mu`F-kdIm qoN hI svdySI sMgIq pRMprw Aqy sMgIq igAwn dw ieiqhws hY[BwrqI sMgIq mnu`KI Awqmw dw prm Awqmw nwl sMprk krn dw sB qoN is`Dw Aqy sOKw rwh hY[ ieh mnu`K dy gu`Jy ArmwnW Aqy pRwpqIAW dI,ijnHW Sbd prgt krn qoN Asmr`Q huMdy hn,qrzmwnI krdw hY[ BwrqI sMgIq pRnwlI iv`c hr rwg dIAW ivSyS surW huMdIAW hn, jo idn dIAW bdldIAW GVIAW,pihrW Aqy bdldIAW ru`qW nwl sbMD r`KdIAW hn[ rwgW Aqy ru`qW dy AwpsI sbMDW bwry pihlI vwrI nwrd dy 'sMgIq mwrkMf' iv`c izkr AieAw hY[ ieh rwg bdldy mOsmW,idn dIAW GVIAW, pihrW dy dOrwn mnu`KI mn iv`c jwigRq hoey BwvW Aqy ivRqIAW rUpmwn krdy hn Aqy ic`qRkwr leI klwqimkqw dw pRgtwvw krn leI ie`k ivSwl ^yqr pRdwn krdy hn[ rwg ic`qr Aiq Bwvuk Aqy klwqimk huMdy hn[ auh rMg Aqy ryKw duAwrw BwrqI klwsIkI rIq dIAW Anyk pRkwr dIAW ivRqIAW Aqy ivDIAW rUpmwn krdy hn[ sB koml klwvW dw ie`k dUsry nwl fUMGw sbMD hY[ ikauNik aunHW qoN auqpn hoieAw rcnwimkqw Aqy ivcwrSIlqw dw AwnMd sw jIvn dI AgMmI Aiq Akih suMdrqw dI Jlk idMdw hY[ s`cmu`c sMgIq Aqy ic`qr klw do AYsIAW klwvW hn jo BwvW dI is`DI swdI pr Aiq pRBwivk bolI duAwrw mnu`K,nsl,mzhb Aqy dyS-dySWqrW dIAW h`dW pwr krky ie`k mn dw dUsry mn nwl sumyl krdIAW hoeIAW Anykqw iv`c eykqw dw sunyhw idMdIAW hn[ ieh mnu`Kqw dy eykIkrn dy mhwn sqMb hn[ suAwl: quhwfy A`j k`lH ruJyvyN kI hn? jvwb: aumr dy ihswb nwl qW mYN 88 swlW dw lMmW pYNfw qih kr cu`kI hW Aqy AwpxI GrylU &ulvwVI (pirvwr) dy Pu`lW iv`c msq Aqy mgn hW pr iPr vI ikauNik mYN ie`k Awritst hW[ mn CUh jwx vwlI iksy vI Gtnw jW idRS qoN AxiB`g nhIN rih skdI[ iesy krky Ajy vI burS pkVn leI myrIAW auNglW lpk hI pYNdIAW hn[ ieh klw,ijs koml klw ikhw jWdw hY A`gy vDwaux leI mYN "pMjwb mwfrn AkYfmI AwP PweIn Awrt" KoilHAw hoieAw hY ijs iv`c puMgrdy hoey klwkwrW dw mwrg drSn krn dw auprwlw kr rhI hW[ suAwl: puMgr rhI ic`qrkwrW dI pnIrI qusIN koeI sunyhw dyxw cwhogy? juAwb: myrw isDWq hY krm kro Pl dI lwlsw nw kro[ cMgw krm kdy vI ivArQ nhIN jWdw[ AwpxI Awqmw dI Awvwz suxo[ ijs kwrj Kyqr iv`c qusIN ho auh quhwfw krm^yqr hY[ qusIN pUrn ivSvwS Aqy inscy nwl imhnq kro[ gurU dI iezq kro[ auh quhwfw rwh dsyrw hY[ auh Awpy hI quhw mMizl qy lY jwvygw[
igAwn Aqy soJI nwl JolI Br ky mY srSwr ho igAw sW[ ies qrHW AnuBv ho irhw sI ijvyN mYN iksy klw mMidr dy bUhy qy bYTw iksy AgMmI lOA iv`c nhw ky hOlw Pu`l ho igAw hovW[ jdoN mYN iPr ausy pdwrQvwdI dunIAW iv`c muiVAw qW vyiKAw ik Swm dw vylw ho cu`kw sI[ vwips muVn dI soc ny myrw p`lw iKìcAw Aqy mYN sB dw DMnvwd krky aunHW qoN ru^sq lY Awpxy AwlHxy v`l prq AwieAw sW[ r`b kry ieho ijhIAW klwqimk Aqy r`bI nUr iv`c rOSn rUhW hmySw hI mnu`Kqw dy Bly leI v`sdIAW rihx[ AwmIn! ***
ie`k rMgmMc klwkwr:
pMjwbI rMgmMc dI kwml rUh
SRImqI jiqMdr kOr sYkSpIAr dy kQn Anuswr ieh sMswr ie`k styj hY[ ies sMswr iv`c ivcrn vwly swry hI pRwxI ies styz dy pwqr hn[ auh AwpxI AwpxI BUimkw inBwauNdy hn Aqy jdoN aunHW dI BUimkw ^qm ho jWdI hY auh styj qoN au~qr jWdy hn[ styj qoN au~qr jwx AsIN duinAwvI BwSw iv`c mOq dw nW vI idMdy hW[ ie`k ienswn dw smu`cw jIvn vI ie`k frwmw hY[ ies jIvn iv`c auh v`K v`K simAW 'qy v`K v`K BUimkwvW inBwauNdw hY Aqy jdoN aus dI Buuimkw ^qm ho jWdI hY qW prdw if`g pYNdw hY Aqy auh jIvn styj qoN Alop ho jWdw hY[ ieh qW jIvn dw frwmw hY,jdoN ik swfIAW rcIAW hoeIAW styjW 'qy vI AsIN frwmy Kyfdy hW,lIlwvW rcdy hW Aqy rwsW vI pwauNdy hW[ Asl iv`c ieh sB kuJ AsIN Awpxy jIvn rMgInIAW pRdwn krn leI hI krdy hW[ jykr AsIN Aijhw nw krdy huMdy qW swfw jIvn nIrs Aqy bu`sw-bu`sw bx ky rih jWdw[ jIvn sMGrS iv`c qwzgI Aqy ûShwlI sw hor krn dw bl idMdI hY[ ieh hI kwrn hY jdoN AsIN styj 'qy koeI frwmw vyKdy hW qW aus iv`c ikrdwr inBw rhy pwqr sw swfy jIvn dI qrzmwnI krdy nzr AwauNdy hn Aqy aus dI inBweI hoeI BUimkw swfy mn dIAW AMqr-qrMgW tuMbdI mihsUs huMdI hY[ qusW keI vyrW AnuBv kIqw hovygw,frwmy dy c`l rhy duKWiqk sIn dw eynW fUMGw Asr swfy mn 'qy huMdw hY ik AsIN Acyq rUp iv`c aus AMdr ieqnw fu`b gey huMdy hW ik swfw rox inkl jWdw hY[ styj au~qy Kyfy jw rhy nwtk iv`c pwqr ijhVI BUimkw inBw rhy huMdy hn, aus dI for nwtk dy ivSw vsqU nwl b`JI huMdI hY Aqy nwtk dw sMcwlk ies for Awpxy h`QW iv`c r`K ky pwqrW kTpu`qlI dy qmwSy vWg inBw irhw huMdw hY[ frwimAW dy do hI ivSw vsqU huMdy hn-suKWiqk Aqy duKWiqk[ suKWiqk frwmy dI Dwrw qW Afol c`ldI rihMdI hY jdoN ik duKWiqk frwmy iv`c pwqrW Awpxy ikrdwr inBwauNx leI nMgI qlvwr 'qy qurnw pYNdw hY[ frwmy iv`c hws-pwqr dI BUimkw AwpxI invyklI hI QW r`KdI hY[ A`j AsIN ijs ivSy dI crcw krn jw rhy hW auh hY pMjwbI rMgmMc dI klwkwrw,ijs rMgmMc dI kwml rUh kihxw vI koeI AiqkQnI nhIN hovygI[ myry v`loN srdwrnI jiqMdr kOr nwl kIqI geI ieMtrivaU smyN pu`Cy gey suAwlW-juAwbW dw swrAMS ies qrHW hY: suAwl: BYx jI, kI qusIN Awpxy bcpn Aqy pirvwrk jIvn bwry swfy nwl crcw krnI psMd krogy? juAwb: myrw jnm sR. mMgl isMG jI dy gRih ivKy 9AprYl,1941 AMimRqsr Sihr iv`c mwqw juigMdr kOr jI dI ku`KoN hoieAw[ myrIAW cwr BYxW Aqy cwr Brw hn[ myry jnm smyN AswfI AwriQk hwlq koeI izAwdw cMgI nhIN sI[ ie`fy v`fy t`br pwlx dI swrI ijMmyNvwrI myry ipqw jI dy isr 'qy hI sI[ suAwl: kI qusIN AwpxI ivìdAk Xogqw bwry vI kuJ d`sogy?
juAwb: mYN AwpxI mu`FlI pVHweI AMimRqsr Sihr dy gurU nwnk skUl iv`c kIqI hY jdoN ik kuJ pVHweI pRweIvyt qOr 'qy kIqI hY[ mYN bI.ey. q`k dI pVHweI kIqI hY[ suAwl: mYN cwhuMdw hW ik qusIN Awpxy ivAwhuqw jIvn bwry vI kuJ g`lW swfy nwl sWJIAW kro? kI qusIN ies jIvn bwry d`sxw psMd krogy? juAwb: SwdI ivAwh dw mslw koeI gu`fI gu`fy dI Kyf nhIN huMdI[ do izMdgIAW dw suAwl huMdw hY[ jykr dovW dy ivcwr imldy hox qW jIvn svrg huMdw hY nhIN qW ies nwloN v`fw koeI nrk vI nhIN[ mYN mu`F qoN hI kuJ AgWh vDU ivcwrW dI sW Aqy cwhuMdI sW ik ijhVw vI myrw jIvn swQI bxy auh rUVIvwdI iÂwlW dw nhIN sgoN KulHy idl vwlw hovy ijhVw in`kI in`kI g`l 'qy hI S`k dI pMf Awpxy isr nw cu`kI iPrdw hovy[ s`cI g`l qW ieh hY ik mYN hmiÂwl swQI cwhuMdI sW[ myrI SwdI 23 AkqUbr,1966 sR. suirMdr isMG jI nwl hoeI hY[ swfw ivAwh bySk mwVy hwlwqW iv`c hoieAw sI pr ies g`loN mYN ûSiksmq hW ik myrw jIvn swQI bhuq hI suliJAw hoieAw ienswn hY[ auh imlxswr Aqy Ku`lHy idl dw mwilk hY[ swfy ivAwhuqw jIvn 'coN swfy do b`cy hn-ie`k bytw hY Aqy ie`k bytI hY[ bytw hux ivAwihAw hoieAw hY Aqy swfI pirvwrk PulvwVI iv`c myrI h,myrw bytw,do poqrIAW Aqy ie`k poqrw hY[ bytI dI vI SwdI ho cu`kI hY Aqy auh ieMglYNf iv`c iksy kwlj iv`c pRoPYsr hY[ aus pwisEN vI ie`k dohqrw Aqy ie`k dohqrI hY[ g`l kI hux mYN pirvwrk jIvn iv`c pUrn qOr qy ûS hW[ suAwl: rMgmMc v`l quhwfw JukwE iks qrHW hoieAw? kI ieh quhwfw SONk sI jW qusIN iksy qoN pRBwivq ho ky ies ^yqr iv`c Awaux dw mn bxwieAw sI? juAwb: jykr mYN ieh khW ik koml klw dw bIz myry AMdr pirvwrk hY qW koeI AiqkQnI nhIN hovygI[ myrI mW purwxy lMmy ZIq gwieAw krdI sI[ Swied myry Acyq mn iv`c AwpxI mW vyK ky hI ies rIJ dw bIz PuìtAw hovy[ Awpxy hwxidAW iv`c(ieh Xwd DuMdlI hY pr ho skdw hY ik myrw vI aus vyK ky jIA krdw hovy) bYT mYN vI mu`F mu`F iv`c gwauxw SurU kIqw sI[ rMgmMc v`l Awaux qoN pihlW mYN gwauxw hI SurU kIqw sI[ swfy Gr jdoN ryfIE AwieAw sI qW myrw jIA kirAw krdw sI ik ies qoV ky mYN vI ies dy AMdr bYT jwvW Aqy kuJ bolW[ mY dUsirAW qoN zrw ht ky AwpxI v`^rI pihcwx bxwaux dI bVI qWG sI[ suAwl: A`j qoN pMj dhwky ipCWh v`l jykr nzr mwrIey qW pqw l`gdw hY ik lVkIAW audoN A`j vrgI KulH nhIN sI huMdI[ quhwfy AMdr auh ikhVI AijhI SkqI sI ijs ny smwj inkwr ky quhw Aijhw kRWqIkwrI kdm cu`kx dw bl id`qw sI? juAwb: ieh TIk hY ik A`j qoN pMjwh swl pihlW AOrq zwq A`j vrgI AwzwdI nhIN sI[ iek`lI lVkI bzwr iv`c vI jwxw mnHW huMdw sI[ bzwr jwxw qW dUr dI g`l jykr ik`Dry auh Gr dI bwrI 'coN bwhr vI JwkdI, Gr dy aus dI jo lwh-pwh krdy sn,auh auh hI jwxdI sI[ mYN aus smyN BoigAw hY[ ijvyN ik mYN pihlW hI dìsAw hY ik myry AMdr kuJ bxn dI icxg sI ijhVI mY svY-bl pRdwn krdI sI[ auh mY hr vMgwr dw mukwblw krn leI cyqnw idMdI sI[ ieh hI kwrn sI ik Awpxy skUl twiem iv`c hI,skUl iv`c Coty-moty frwmy krky jW gurU goibMd isMG jI dy jnm idhwVy skUl dy gru`p nwl jw ky Akwl q^q swihb 'qy Sbd pVH ky AwpxI v`KrI pihcwx bxwauxI SurU kr id`qI sI[ ie`QoN imlI vwh vwh ny myry mnobl hor hONslw bKiSAw sI[ myrw iÂwl hY ik aus vkq hI myry AMdr v`fI vwh vwh lYx dw bIz puMgr ipAw sI Aqy mYN v`fw mMc Bwlx l`g peI sW[ kuJ krn dI SkqI qW myry AMdr Aw geI sI pr aus vkq Ajy kRWqI nhIN sI AweI,ikauNik Ajy smwj nwl myrw swhmxw nhIN sI hoieAw[ suAwl: qusIN smwj dI soc dy ivrùD jw ky ieh &Yslw ilAw sI[ AwpxI imQI hoeI mMizl v`l v`Dx leI muSklW qW AweIAW hI hoxgIAW? kI qusIN auh muSklW swfy nwl sWJIAW krnIAW psMd krogy?
juAwb: mYN ijhVw rwh cuixAw sI mYN jwxdI sW ies rwh 'qy Pu`l nhIN mY pYr pYr 'qy kM fy hI imlxgy[ mYN ies bwry pihlW hI jwxdI sW Aqy ies leI iqAwr vI sW[ jdoN mY v`fw mMc imilAw Aqy AwpxI klw dI Jlk ivKwaux dw mOkw qW mY smwj dy TykydwrW ny Awx GyirAw[ ies sMGrS iv`coN hI AslI ArQW iv`c aus kRWqI dw jnm hoieAw sI ijs dI qusIN g`l krdy ho[ Gr iv`c grIbI dw bolbwlw sI Aqy isr 'qy ipqw jI dw swieAw vI nw hox krky mYN vI Awpxy BrwvW vWg kuJ kmweI krky aunHW dw h`Q vtwaux dw inscw kr ilAw sI[ myrI Awvwz cMgI sI[ mYN styjW 'qy gwaux l`g peI sW[ myry pRqI lokW dI nzr hI bdl geI Aqy bolI vI bdl geI ikauNik auh ies kMm ie`zq vwlw kMm nhIN sn smJdy[ jy s`c khW qW auh ie`QoN q`k kihx l`g pey sn ik ieh qW kMzrW vwlw kMm hY[ ies kMm nwl swfI rotI sOKI c`lx l`g peI sI[ myry vwsqy aus smyN smwj dI soc nwloN rotI dI soc v`fI sI[ ieh TIk hY ik ieh kMm AwrzI kMm sI Aqy nw hI mYN Awpxy Awp ies iv`c p`ky qOr 'qy Afzst(Adjust) krnw cwhuMdI sW[ mYN do-cwr ivAwhvW dy pRogrwmW iv`c gwieAw sI ik lokW dIAW g`lW sux sux myry AMdr A`g BVkxI SurU ho geI sI[ myrw jIA krdw sI ik lokW dy iek`T iv`c jw ky aunHW ^rIAW ^rIAW suxwvW ik qusIN kOx huMdy ho myrI izMdgI iv`c d^l dyx vwly? mY jW myry t`br kI cwhIdw hY aus dw swhmxw mYN krnw hY qusIN kOx huMdy ho mY rokx vwly? kuJ smyN ip`CoN myry Brw Awswm iv`c sY~t ho gey sn Aqy Gr dy hwlwq vI kuJ ibhqr ho gey sn[ ies leI mYN ivAwhvW iv`c gwauxw bMd kr id`qw sI[ ieh nw smJxw ik mYN lokW dy fr qoN gwauxw CìfAw sI sgoN mY l`gdw sI ik ivAwhvW-SWdIAW iv`c gw ky mYN Awpxy AMdrlI pRiqBw nwl pUrw pUrw ienswP nhIN sW kr rhI[ myry AMdr lokW pRqI ros dI jvwlw dw qwA hux pihlW nwloN vI izAwdw mG ipAw sI[ kuJ smyN bwAd durSrn isMG BwA jI (ijs qusIN swry BweI mMnw isMG dy nW nwl vI jwxdo ho) dw frwmw vyKx dw mY mOkw imilAw[ ieh frwmw vyK ky mY ieMJ lìgAw sI ik mY shI rsqw iml igAw hY, AwpxI mMizl v`l jwx dw[ lokW ny rsqy iv`c myrI ie`zq leI kI kI l&j nhIN boly[ aunHW dy ieh bol myry AMdr cIrdy rihMdy sn[ mYN cu`p krky suxdI rihMdI sW ikauNik mYN kuJ nhIN sW kr skdI[ ie`k pwsy smwj huMdw sI Aqy ie`k pwsy mYN iek`lI huMdI sW,ijs smwj Ablw nwrI kihMdw hY[ mYN iek`lI hI smwj ivruD ftI rhI[ mYN lokW dIAW g`lW suxIAW AxsuxIAW kr ky AWpxy p`Q qy qurdI rhI[ jdoN mYN styj qy kMm krdI huMdI sW qW mYN lokW dw boilAw sB kuJ Bu`l jWdI huMdI sW[ jykr styz qy Awpxy ikrdwr rwhIN mYN koeI smwijk burweI pyS kr rhI huMdI, styj qoN mwVy lokW dy iKlw& bolx dw mOkw bxdw jW AMdroN Awpxw roh k`F ky boldI qW mY l`gdw ik mYN vI A`j Awpxw bdlw lY ilAw hY[ lokW swhmxy AwpxI g`l kihx dw mMc bhuq hI vDIAw swDn hY[ mY KuSI hY ik mYN lokW dI GtIAw soc A`gy gofy nhIN tyky[ suAwl: quhwfy ies cuxy hoey rsqy kI quhwfy shurw pirvwr ny pRvwn kr ilAw sI jW koeI AOkV pyS AweI sI? juAwb: mYN pihlW vI ikhw hY ik myrw pqI sR. suirMdr isMG bhuq hI suliJAw hoieAw Aqy imlxswr ienswn hY[ ieh SwdI swfI dohW dI sihmqI nwl hI hoeI sI[ myry pqI styz qy myrw kMm krn burw nhIN sI l`gdw[ myrI SwdI qoN pihlW mYN ie`k frwmw styz kr rhI sI ijs dw nW sI mws lY lvo mws[ myry kuJ hmdrdW dw ivcwr sI ik myry hox vwly pqI (suirMdr jI) ieh frwmwzrUr ivKwieAw jwvy[ ieh frwmw vyK ky aus dIAW mno BwvnwvW dw vI pqw l` g jwvygw ik aunHW dy mn iv`c myrI AdwkwrI bwry ikho ijhy ivcwr hn[ ies frwmy iv`c mYN ie`k vysvw dI BUimkw inBw rhI sW[ ienHW hmdrdW iv`c BwA jI s. gurSrn isMG jI vI sn[ suirMdr jI pihlI kqwr iv`c bYTw id`qw igAw sI[ myrI inBweI hoeI BUimkw
qoN auh ieMny pRBwivq hoey sn ik frwmw ^qm hox qy auh styj au~pr Aw gey sn Aqy aunHW ny KuSI nwl myrw h`Q cuMm ilAw sI[shurw pirvwr dy dUsry mYNbrW ny mY kdy vI pRvwn nhIN sI kIqw[ aunHW myrw styj qy kMm krnw Pu`tI A`K vI nhI sI BwauNdw[ SwdI TIk FMg nwl nypry cwVHn leI myrI SwdI hox qoN pMj-Cy mhIny pihlW myry pqI dy kihx qy mYN SwdI hox q`k styj qy jwxw bMd kr id`qw sI[ pr auh lok (shurw pirvwr) myrI SwdI iv`c nhIN Awey[ aunHW koloN mY kuJ lYx dI lwlsw vI nhIN sI,isr& aunHW dw ipAwr Aqy SmUlIAq hI cwhuMdI sW[ auh vI nsIb nw hoeI[ aunHW dy nw Awaux krky myry Aqy myry pqI dy AMdr bhuq gu`sw sI[ kuJ irSqydwr myrI folI aunHW dy bUhy 'qy vI lY ky gey sn pr auh AMdroN bwhr vI nhIN sn Awey[ aunHW dy bUhy 'qoN myrI folI vwips ho geI sI[ Sihr iv`c myry shury pirvwr dw ie`k hor Gr vI sI[ myrI folI au~Qy lY gey sn[ qusIN soc skdy ho audoN myry idl 'qy kI bIqI hovygI[ smW bVw blvwn hY[ hOlI hOlI myry pYr ies ^yqr iv`c jMmxy SurU ho gey sn[ jdoN mYN tI.vI. 'qy Awauxw SurU kIqw Aqy myrI pihcwx bxn l`gI qW auhI lok ijhVy mY AwpxI h pRvwn krn leI vI iqAwr nhIN sn, ieh kihMdy suxy gey sn ik jiqMdr kOr swfI h hY[ smW bIq cukw sI Aqy audoN q`k ieh g`lW myry leI bymqlb ho geIAW sn[ mYN lokW dI klwkwr bx cu`kI sW[ lokW ny mY Awpxy idl dy q^q 'qy ibTw ilAw sI[ A`j mYN ijs mukwm au~pr hW ieh lokW dy ipAwr dw hI sdkw hY[ mY lokW ny hI BMifAw sI Aqy lokW ny hI isr 'qy bYTwieAw hY[ lokW Swied ies g`l dw Aihsws ho igAw sI ik jiqMdr kOr bhuq isrVI hY Aqy auh ijhVw kMm krn dw mn bxw lYNdI hY aus leI izMd jwn lw idMdI hY[ Asl iv`c mYN Awpxy Awp rMgmMc leI smripq hI kr cu`kI hW[ suAwl: quhwfy pqI dI ies klw bwry ikho ijhI soc hY? juAwb: ies bwry qW mYN pihlW d`s cu`kI hW ik myrw pqI myrI klw dw kdrdwn hY[ aus ny mY ikhw sI ik qUM ie`k Awm AOrq nhIN hYN[ kuJ kr skx dw jzbw qyry AMdr hY[ qUM jo kuJ krnw cwhuMdI hY aus KulH ky kr[ ijnHW lokW ny qyry kMm sihXog nhIN id`qw aunHW kuJ bx ky ivKw[ myry ies ^yqr pRqI aunHW dw huMgwrw hW p`KI hY[ suAwl: kI qusIN tYlIvIXn 'qy hI frwmy Kyfy hn jW ik styj (Epn QIeytr) 'qy vI AwpxI klw dy zOhr idKwey hn? juAwb: mYN tI.vI. 'qy Awaux qoN pihlW styj 'qy hI kMm krdI sW[ Pyr T.V. Radio,i&lmW 'qy 20 swl q`k kMm kIqw hY[ T.V. qoN ip`CoN mYN iPr styj 'qy hI kMm kr rhI hW[ styj mYN kdy vI nhIN C`fI[ mMc myrI jwn hY Aqy myrI rUh dI ûrwk hY[ kdy kdy l`gdw hY ik mYN Gr iv`c Gr leI, Awpxy pirvwr leI,dunIAWdwrI leI Aqy Awpxy &rjW leI hW pr styj 'qy mYN Awpxy vwsqy jIA rhI hW[ suAwl: qusIN ijhVy frwmy Kyfy hn Aqy ijnHW i&lmW iv`c qusIN kMm kIqw hY QoVHw aunHW 'qy vI cwnxw pwE? juAwb: frwimAW dI sUcI qW bhuq lMmI hY pr kuJ XwdgwrI frwimAW iv`c Awpxy inBwey ikrdwrW dw izkr zrUr krnw cwhuMdI hW[ aunHW 'coN 'lohw ku`t', 'kxk dI b`lI' vwlI qwbW, 'ieh lhU iks dw hY', 'ie`k mW ie`k bMb', 'ie`k mW do mul^', 'lohy dI B`TI', 'lUxw', 'du`lw B`tI', 'mws lY lvo mws' Aqy hor bhuq swry frwmy hn[ vYsy qW mW swry hI b`cy ipAwry huMdy hn[ij`QoN q`k i&lmW iv`c kMm krn dw suAwl hY,mYN purzw purzw k`t mrY(1998),mhOl TIk hY(1999-2000),idldwrw,jI AwieAW (2003),AsW mwx vqnw dw(2004),nlwiek(2006)Aqy ie`k izMd ie`k zwn(2006)iv`c kMm kIqw hY[ ieh d`sidAW hoieAW mY mwx mihsUs huMdw hY ik myrI AdwkwrI leI pMjwbI AkwdmI id`lI v`loN 'srvau~qm AiBnyqrI' dy snmwn nwl snmwinAw igAw hY[
suAwl: vyKx iv`c AwieAw hY ik i&lm jgq dy v`fy v`fy klwkwrW dw ruJwn tI.vI. Bwv Coty prdy v`l huMdw jw irhw hY[ kI qusIN i&lm jgq dI ckwcOND kr dyx vwlI dunIAW iv`c p`ky qOr 'qy jwx bwry vI kdy soicAw hY jW nhIN? juAwb: mY i&lmI dunIAW dI ckwcOND ny kdy vI Awpxy v`l nhIN iKìcAw[ mYN i&lmW iv`c kMm kr ky Awpxw cwA hI pUrw kIqw hY[ hW, ie`k vyrW Aijhw smW AwieAw sI jdoN blrwj swhnI jI ny styj qy myrI AdwkwrI vyK ky ikhw sI "jiqMdr jykr qUM cwhvyN qW mYN qY i&lmW iv`c kMm dvwaux leI sihXog kr skdw hW[ qY Afzst krvwaux dI koiSS vI krWgw[" myry svY-AiBmwn ny Sbd Afzst ie`k BIK vrgw smiJAw sI Aqy mYN aus ^yqr iv`c jwx leI hW nhIN sI kIqI[ tI.vI. ny mY pRis`DI id`qI hY Aqy styz ny rUh dI ûrwk[ "jInw XhW mrnw XhW ies ky isvw jwxw khW[" suAwl: quhw AwpxIAW inBweIAW hoeIAW BUimkwvW 'coN ikhVI izAwdw cMgI l`gdI hY? juAwb: swrIAW hI inBweIAW hoeIAW BUimkwvW iv`c mYN pUrI qrHW fu`b ky kMm kIqw hY Aqy myry leI swrIAW hI vDIAw hn[ suAwl: iksy pwqr dw ikrdwr inBwauNdy hoey qusIN aus kRYktr iv`c ik`QoN q`k fu`b ky aus dI BUimkw inBwauNdy ho? juAwb: mYN hr rol iv`c jiqMdr kOr Bu`l ky aus pwqr dw ikrdwr inBwauNdI hW[ aus smyN ieh jiqMdr kOr styj 'qy nhIN huMdI[ aus dI hoNd myry nyVy vI nhIN Fu`kdI[ suAwl: myrI jwcy iksy hswauxw Swied sB qoN AOKw huMdw hY[ hwsklwkwr BwvyN AMdroN ro irhw hovy dUsry hswauNdw hY["Apny py h`s ky jg ko hswieAw[ bx ky qmwSw myly myN AwieAw[" AijhI siQ`qI iv`c klwkwr dI mnodSw ikho ijhI huMdI hY? myrw Bwv hY klwkwr dy AMdrly klwkwr 'qy kI vwpr rhI huMdI hY? juAwb: ie`k klwkwr vwsqy drSk aus dy duinAwvI JmyilAW dy Kol 'coN bwhr k`Fxw Aqy iPr aus hswauNxw bVw hI kiTn kMm huMdw hY[ pr jdoN aunHW dI bolI (vwrqwlwp) bol ky aunHW vWg bx ky koeI klwkwr styj 'qy ivcrdw hY qW ieh kMm sihj ho jWdw hY[ klwkwr izAwdw AOKw audoN huMdw hY jdoN iksy g`loN AMdroN Awp du`KI huMdw hY pr styz au~pr drSkW hsw irhw huMdw hY[ auh AwpxI soc dy ql 'qy ie`k qrHW nwl do jIvn ijaU irhw huMdw hY[ Swied ieh hI auh GVI huMdI hY jdoN iksy klwkwr dI klw dI pRIiKAw ho rhI huMdI hY[ auh AwpxI klw dw ies mjHb smJ irhw huMdw hY[ ies g`l dI shI qrzmwnI i&lm 'myrw nwm jokr' dw ieh gwxw krdw hY: "Apny py h`s ky jg ko hswieAw[ bx ky qmwSw myly myN AwieAw[ ihMdU nw musilm pUrb nw p`Cm, mzhb hY Apnw h`sxw hswxw[" suAwl: j`bl jI Aqy quhwfI joVI frwimAW dI jwn huMdI sI[ aunHW dy cly jwx ip`CoN kI qusIN smJdy ho ik klwkwrI dy ^yqr iv`c j`bl jI dy myc dw koeI hor klwkwr quhwfy nwl kMm krn vwlw hY? juAwb: j`bl jI qoN au~pr vI klwkwr hoxgy pr lokIN mY iksy hor nwl kMm kridAW vyK ky svIkwr nhIN krngy[ suAwl: quhwfy AdwkwrI jIvn dI koeI ABu`l Xwd? juAwb: ie`k vyrW myrI BYx frwmw kr rhI sI, ijs dw nW sI 'qwr qu`pkw'[ ie`k idn auh iksy zrUrI kMm leI bwhr geI hoeI sI Aqy SoA vI ausy idn sI[ auh Aw nhIN sI skI[ ieh frwmw aus idn mY krnw ipAw sI[ mzy dI g`l hY ik ieh frwmw kivqw iv`c sI Aqy mYN ies piVHAw vI nhIN sI[ jdoN aus idn bwry socdI hW qW hYrwn rih jWdI hW ik mYN ies frwmy iv`c ikrdwr iks qrHW inBw ilAw sI[ ieh ie`k ikRSmy vrgI g`l l`gdI hY ijhVI Xwd Awaux 'qy mYN A`j vI hYrwn ho jWdI hW[ suAwl: quhw AwpxI klw leI mwx snmwn vI imly hoxgy? kuJ aunHW bwry vI d`so?
juAwb: sB qoN v`fw snmwn mY lokW dw ipAwr imilAw hY[ pMjwbI rMgmMc dy klwkwr mY pMjwbI rMgmMc dI mW AiBnyqrI kih ky snmwndy hn[ auh kihMdy hI nhIN smJdy vI ny[ ijs mW dw i^qwb iml igAw hovy aus dy swhmxy dUusry snmwn bOxy ho jWdy hn Coty pY jWdy hn[ iPr vI mYN d`sxw cwhuMdI hW ik PrvrI,2009 iv`c AMimRqsr dIAW pMj klwkwr AOrqW,ijnHW BwrqI isMG(Laughter Channel Fame),gurmIq bwvw(Punjabi Folk Song Singer),svrgI mnvIn sMDU mrn auprMq(ieh snmwn lYx leI spirMgfylz skUl dI bljIq kOr hwzr sI) Aqy myry smyq,pMjvIAW kOmnvYlQ KyfW (jUfo) dI cYNpIAn rxjIq kOr AGA,Heritage Club,Amritsar ivKy, PECOBA v`loN ie`k snmwn smwroh iv`c "Kalpana Chawla Excellence,Award-2009 nwl smwinAw igAw sI[ienHW pMjW iv`c mY bqOr Stage,TV & Film Awrtist ieh snmwn dy ky snmwinAw igAw sI[ ieho ijhy snmwn smwrohW iv`c ienswn Aksr hI Bwvuk ho jWdw hY Aqy ie`k klwkwr dw Bwivk ho jwxw qW suBwivk g`l hY[ ieh snmwn pRwpq kridAW hoieAW jzbwqI rOA iv`c mYN ikhw sI,"mYN ies smyN dI Xwd Awpxy idl iv`c sWB ky r`KWgI ijs dI aufIk iv`c dhwikAW qoN myrIAW A`KW aufIk iv`c sn[ Awm krky vyi KAw igAw hY ik kuJ smwijk Aqy siBAwcwrk sMsQwvW klwkwrW ieh lwrw lw ky aunHW styz 'qy kMm krn leI pRyrdIAW hn ik aunHW aunHW dy kMm leI AYvwrf dy ky snmwinAw jwvygw Aqy iesy AwV iv`c aunHW koloN mu&q kMm krvwieAw jWdw hY[ ij`QoN q`k "klpnw cwvlw AYvwrf dw sbMD hY, ies sMsQw dy pRbMDkW ny gurmIq bwvw,Amr nUrI Aqy BwrqI isMG vrgIAW byjoV styjI klwkwrW Aijhw krn leI kdy nhIN ikhw[ A`j swry hI snmwn pRwpq krn vwilAW vwsqy ieh snmwn lYxw ie`k mwx hY Aqy piv`qr siqkwr dI g`l ho inbVI hY[ mYN pihlI PrvrI 2009 cMfIgVH iv`c hoey snmwn smwroh iv`c vI Swml hoeI sW Aqy mYN smJdI hW ik auh smwgm vI au~c drzy dw smwgm sI[" suAwl: rMgmMc v`l Jwk rhI nvIN pnIrI koeI sMdyS dyxw cwhvogy? juAwb: nvIN pnIrI dy nwl kMm kr rhI hW[ mYN sB ieh khWgI ik AwpxI g`l kihx leI mMc sB qoN vDIAw swDn hY[ rwqo rwq stwr bxn dI koiSS nw krn[ imhnq Aqy lgn nwl kIqy kMm dw Pl bhuq im`Tw huMdw hY[ ies iv`c pYsy bhuqy nhIN imldy pr lokW dw ipAwr bhuq hY ijhVw izMdgI srUr idMdw hY Aqy mn skUn vI[ BYx jiqMdr kOr jI nwl izMdgI dy v`K v`K rMgW dIAW g`lW kr ky l`g irhw sI ijvyN mYN ie`k jIvn hI jIaU ilAw hovy[ ijMdgI dw frwmw hI A`KW AìgEN lMG igAw sI[ ijMdgI dw kOVw s`c aus dI zbwnIN sux ky smwz dy TykydwrW dI koJI soc dw prdw &wS ho igAw sI[ smwj dIAW sOVIAW socW bwry smwz nwl iGrxw hor gUVHI ho geI sI[ jiqMdr jI dw sMGrSmeI jIvn smwz dy mUMh 'qy mwrI hoeI cpyV vrgw sI[ jiqMdr kOr ny Awpxy jIvn dy ipCly 49 swl ies klw Byt kr id`qy hn[ aus ny ies smyN iv`c au~c kotI dy fwierYktrW Aqy pRoifaUsrW qoN ielwvw blrwj swhnI,gurSrn isMG(BweI mMnw isMG) Aqy kyvl DwlIvwl vrgy klwkwrW nwl kMm kr ky AwpxI klw dI DWk vI jmweI hY[ styjI gru`p "mMc rMgmMc" v`loN qW jiqMdr kOr jI "pMjwbI rMgmMc dI mW"dw nW dy ky snmwinAw igAw hY Aqy hux q`k auh Bwrq,ieMglYNf,knyfw Aqy pwiksqwn iv`c 150 qoN v`D frwimAW iv`c AdwkwrI kr cu`kI hY[ mYN smJdw hW ik AijhIAW kRWqIkwrI AOrqW hI smwj dw muhWdrw bdl skdIAW hn[ ies imlxI ny mY nwrI dI SkqI dw Aihsws krvw id`qw sI[ r`b kry AijhIAW S^sIAqW sdw nwrI vrg dw mwrg drSn krdIAW rihx[ AwmIn! ***
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jvwnI 'coN Cwl mwr ky ienswnI jIvn AMqly pVwA dI dihlIz qy jw KloNdw hY[ iPr buFypw ies mOq dI bu`kl iv`c lY vVHdw hY[ Awpxy ipAwry dw ivCoVw A`KW iv`coN A`QrU bx vihMdw hY Aqy bolW iv`coN gIq bx 'AlwhuxIAW' dw drd iPzw iv`c sihkx l`gdw hY[ g`l kI swfy pMjwbI sìBAwcwr iv`c AsIN gIqW iv`c hI jMmdy hW Aqy gIqW dI lYA iv`c hI ies sMswr qoN qur jWdy hW[ A`j AsIN lok gIqW dI aus rwxI dy nwl do cwr g`lW kr rhy hW ijhVI iksy vI jwx pihcwx dI muQwz nhIN[ auh hY gurmIq bwvw, ijs ny ienHW lok gIqW AwpxI Awvwz dy ky Amr qW kr hI id`qw hY,nwl nwl pMjwbIAW dw mwx vI vDwieAw hY[ pMjwbI sdw gurmIq bwvw dy irxI rihxgy[ AwE hux quhwfy nwl vI sWJIAW krIey gumIq bwvw nwl hoeIAW kuJ g`lW[ AsIN swry gurmIq bwvw jI dy dOlq^wny iv`c bYTy sW[ myry nwl myrw dosq DrivMdr AOlK vI sI[ gurmIq bwvw jI dy nwl dI kursI qy aunHW dy pqI s. ikrpwl isMG bwvw jI vI ibrwjmwn sn[ ijs kmry iv`c AsIN swry bYTy hoey sW aus dIAW kMDW qy cwry pwsy snmwn p`qr,dyS ivdySW qoN imly mOmYNto Aqy dunIAW Br dy vìfAW vìfAW nyqwvW nwl iKcvweIAW hoeIAW qsvIrW vyK ky mYN gd gd ho irhw sW[ mY ieMJ mihsUs ho irhw sI ijvyN ieh snmwn iek`lI gurmIq bwvw dw hI nhIN sgoN smu`cI pMjwbI kOm dw hoieAw hovy[ mYN ies iv`c &Kr mihsUs kr irhw sW[ g`lW g`lW iv`c hI mYN gurmIq bwvw jI aunHW dI aumr pu`C bYTw sW[ ies qoN pihlW ik auh AwpxI aumr d`sdy iv`coN hI aunHW dy pqI bol pey, qIr jI,AOrqW koloN aunHW dI aumr nhIN pu`CIdI huMdI[ AOrqW s`c nhIN boldIAW huMdIAW aumr bwry[ gurmIq bwvw jI J`t bol pey, qIr jI, aumr qW pRmwqmw dI b^SI hoeI hY[ ies bwry mYN kdy JUT nhIN boilAw[ iPr islislw SurU ho igAw myry suAwlW Aqy aunHW dy juAwbW dw[ suAwl: gurmIq bwvw jI,ies qoN pihlW ik mYN quhwfy nwl quhwfy gwiekI dy ^yqr bwry crcw krW,mYN cwhuMdw hW kuJ g`lW quhwfy pirvwrk jIvn Aqy quhwfy bcpn bwry vI krW[ kI qusIN Awpxy jnm Aqy pirvwr bwry cwnxw pwvogy? juAwb: myrw jnm 18 PrvrI,1944 qihsIl btwlw izlHw gurdwspur dy ipMf koTy (nzdIk AlIvwl) ivKy sR. au~qm isMG jI dy Gr mwqw rwm kOr jI dI ku`KoN hoieAw[ myry ipqw jI ie`k srdy-pu`jdy ikrswn pirvwr iv`coN hox krky ipMf iv`c aunHW 'Swh jI' dy nwm nwl jwixAw jWdw hY[ AsIN cwr BYxW hW Aqy swfw ie`k hI Brw hY[mYN sB qoN CotI hW[ suAwl: kI qusIN AwpxI ivìdAk Xogqw bwry vI d`sogy? juAwb: qIr jI, qusIN qW jwxdy hI ho swifAW simAW iv`c DIAW Gr dI cwr dIvwrI qoN bwhr mwpy kd inklx idMdy sn[ swfy ipMf iv`c skUl koeI nhIN sI[ skUl AlIvwl hI sI[ mYN A`TvIN q`k dI ivìdAw Awpxy ipMf koTy dy nyVy AlIvwl skUl qoN pRwpq kIqI hY[ nOvIN jmwq mYN btwlw Sihr qoN kIqI[ ipMfoN sweIkl qy hI roz ds bwrW iklo mItr jwxw Aqy eynW hI pYNfw qih krky ipMf Awauxw pYNdw sI[ie`k lVkI vwsqy bVw muSkl sI pr mYN ihMmq nhIN sI C`fI[ myrw inSwnW qW sI mwstrnI bxn dw[dsvI jmwq mYN AwpxI BYx kol rih ky kIqI[ dsvIN q`k dI pVHweI mukMml krn auprMq mYN jy.bI.tI.kors iv`c dwKlw p`tI izlHw AMimRqsr(hux qrn qwrn) iv`c lY ilAw sI Aqy au~QoN mYN jy.bI.tI. dw kors pUrw krky tIcr bx geI sW[ mwsrtnI bx ky mYN Awpxy Awp iv`c sMquSt sW[ suAwl: kI qusIN Awpxy ivAwhuqw jIvn bwry vI crcw krnw psMd krogy? juAwb: myrI SwdI sMn 1968 iv`c ikRpwl bwvw jI (sR. gurikrpwl isMG jI bydI) vwsI fyrw bwbw nwnk nwl hoeI hY[ mYN ieh d`sx iv`c &Kr mihsUs krdI hW ik auh bydI Kwndwn iv`coN hn Aqy sRI gurU nwnk dyv jI dI solHvIN AMS iv`coN hn[ bySk myry pqI bydI ^wndwn iv`coN hn iPr vI ieh Awpxy nwm nwl 'bwvw' hI ilKdy hn[ ies qrHW aunHW krky myry nwm nwl vI aupnwm 'bwvw' juV igAw hY[ hux mYN gurmIq bwvw dy nW nwl hI jwxI
jWdI hW[ myry pqI ny vI AYm.ey. q`k dI ivìdAw pRwpq kIqI hoeI hY[ sMgIq nwl aunHW dw colI dwmn dw swQ hY[ jW ieMJ kih lvo ik sMgIq hI aunHW dI rUh hY[ aunHW iv`c gwaux dw SONk dIvwngI dI h`d q`k hY[ myrIAW iqMn bytIAW gulyrI bwvw, ielwcI bwvw Aqy popI bwvw hI myrI ies sMswirk bgIcI dI mihk hn[ SwdI vyly dI ie`k hor g`l sWJI krdI jwvW,myrI SwdI bySk ipMf iv`c hI hoeI sI pr myry shurw swihb dI ie`k hI ie`Cw sI ik brwq cMgI rotI id`qI jwvy[ myry ipqw jI ny Sihr qoN bihry mMgvwey hoey sn[ audoN sw pqw hI nhIN sI ik ikho ijhy bMdy Awauxy hn[ sw pqw hI nhIN sI huMdw ik 'bihry' ikh kihMdy hn[ jdoN auh Awey qW auh AwpxI hotl vwlI XUnIPwrm iv`c sn[ isr qy lwl p`gW bMnHIAW hoeIAW sn ijnHW dy qurlHy k`Fy hoey sn[ myry cwcy-qwieAW dy lVky,myry Brw ies g`l qoN nrwz myry ipqw jI ny myrI SwdI AwpxI ivq Anuswr pUrI Swno-SOkq nwl kIqI sI[ suAwl: mYfm jI, quhwfy pirvwrk jIvn sbMDI bhuq kuJ jwx ilAw hY[ hux mYN Awpxy AslI ivSy v`l AwauNdw hW[ ikauNik qusIN lok gwiekI dy Kyqr iv`c jwxy jWdy ho,ies leI mYN jwxnw cwhuMdw hW ik quhw gwaux dI cytk ik`QoN l`gI? kI quhwfy Gr iv`c koeI gwiekI dw SOkIn sI ijs qoN quhw ieh m`s l`gI jW koeI hor kwrn sI ijs ny quhw gwiekI dy ^yqr v`l ilAWdw? juAwb: Gr iv`c qW Aijhw mhOl iblkul nhIN sI ijs qoN mYN pRyirq hoeI hovW pr eynW zrUr sI jdoN kdI skUl iv`c bwl sBw huMdI sI qW aus iv`c ih`sw zrUr lY ilAw krdI sW[ Gr iv`c QwlIAW kOlIAW KVkw ky Aqy AwpxIAW shylIAW nwl gw lYxW hI kMm huMdw sI ieh iek qrHW nwl sMgIq vI sI Aqy bcpn dI Kyf vI sI[ kuJ v`fy hoey qW muMfy kuVIAW dy ivAwhvW qy gIq gw lYxy[ qusIN ies g`l qoN qW BlIBWq jwxU hovogy ik iek Coty b`cy dI mnoivigAwnk dSw ieh huMdI hY ik hr Cotw b`cw kuJ nw kuJ suxwaux vwsqy auqwvlw huMdw hY[ aus AMdr ie`k qrHW dI lYA huMdI hY[ aus dy qurn iv`c vI vKryvW huMdw hY[ ie`k qrHW dI lck Aqy mtk huMdI hY[ ies g`l dI soc myry AMdr zrUr sI ik mYN vI kuJ suxwvW[ gwiekw bxn bwry qW mYN kdy soicAw vI nhIN sI[ mY qW tIcr bxn dw SONk sI[ SWdI qoN pihlW mYN qW ividAk ^yqr iv`c Aw cu`kI sW[ SWdI hox qoN pihlW mY pqw vI nhIN sI ik ienHW ny (pqI) ny myry qoN gvwauxw hY[ gwiekI vwly pwsy qW ienHW ny hI mY lwieAw hY[ suAwl: hux jdoN ik qusIN gwiekI dy ^yqr iv`c Aw hI gey ho,qW jwxnw cwhvWgw ik gwiekI iv`c quhwfw gurU kOx hY? ies g`l iv`c qW koeI dUsrI rwey nhIN ik hr klw ^yqr iv`c iksy nw iksy Awpxw ausqwd Dwrnw pYNdw hY[ qusIN iks Awpxw gurU mMndy ho? juAwb: gwiekI ^yqr dy pihly gurU qW myry pqI jI hn[ ieh pihlW styzW qy gwieAw vI krdy sn[ ivAwhvW SwdIAW iv`c ieh ishry-isìKAw pVHdy huMdy sn Aqy iesy kmweI nwl hI ienHW ny AwpxI AYm.ey. bI AY~f q`k dI pVHweI kIqI[ ieh styzW qy X`mlw j`t jI dI lVkI nwl gwauNdy rhy hn[ ienHW ny qW myrI AiDAwpkw dI p`kI nOkrI vI Cufw id`qI sI Aqy ies pwsy lwieAw sI[ mY kwPI smyN q`k nhIN sI pqw ik ienHW ny myry koloN gvwauxw hY[ soc qW ieh hI sI ik ieh vI tIcr hn Aqy mYN vI tIcr hW[ dovyN kmweI kr ky giRhsq dI g`fI clw lvWgy[ jdoN ienHW ny myrI p`kI nOkrI vI Cfvw id`qI sI qW mYN bhuq roeI sW[ mYN ieh igLw lY ky Awpxy mwipAW kol vI geI sW pr aunHW vI ieh kih ky moV id`qw sI ik hux auh qyrw pqI hY Aqy qY aus Anuswr hI c`lxw pvygw[ (Bry hoey gly nwl)AwKIr mYN Awpxy Awp nwl smJOqw krky gwiekI v`l Aw geI sW[ ies qrHW myry mu`Fly gurU qW ieh hI hoey nw? suAwl: bwvw jI,ieh g`l qW spSt hY ik gwiekI quhwfw SONk nhIN sI sgoN smyN nwl smJwauqw sI[ hux jdoN ik qusIN gwiekI dy ^yqr iv`c jwxy-pihcwxy klwkwr ho,kI quhwfy mn iv`c koeI pCqwvw qW nhIN ik qusIN gLq ^yqr cux ilAw hY?
juAwb: nhIN hux koeI pCqwvw nhIN, koeI igLw nhIN[ mYN ienHW ie`k &kIr vrgw, drvyS vrgw smJdI hW[ ieh hI myry gurU hn[ bwAd iv`c mYN AwpxI gwiekI dw gurU nirMdr cMcl jI Dwr ilAw sI[ ies nwl vI ie`k Gtnw juVI hoeI hY ik mYN cMcl jI gurU ikvyN DwirAw? ieh g`l sMn 1969 dI hY jdoN AsIN bMbeI gey sI[ cMcl jI swfy nwl hI sn[ audoN mY do-cwr hI gIq AwauNdy sn[ mYN ikhw mYN bMbeI nhIN jwxw[ au~Qy mYQoN nhIN gwieAw jwxw[ au~Qy eyfw v`fw mMc hY[ au~Qy qW vìfAW vìfAW dI hUitMg ho jWdI hY mYN iks dy pwxIhwr hW[ ienHW ikhw nhIN mY pqw hY qUM gw skdI eyN[ cMcl jI ny hONslw idMidAW mY smJwieAw sI ik A`j dy pRogrwm suxn vwsqy swry pMjwbI klwkwr hn ijnHW iv`c DrimMdr jI,rwj kpUr jI,prwx jI,jYrwj jI,dwrw isMG jI Awid Awey hoey hn auh quhw zrUr suxngy[ ieh swry pMjwbI klwkwrW hI suxn Awey hn[ mYN hONslw krky iPr ieh gIq lMmI hyk lw ky gwieAw sI: "mYN j`tI pMjwb dI myrIAW rIsW kOx kry" Aqy sroiqAW qoN vwh vwh imlI sI[ pRogrwm qoN bwAd AsIN swry rwj kpUr jI dy d&qr iv`c bYTy hoey sW[ iPlm bObI Ajy nhIN sI bxI[ rwj kpUr jI kihx l`gy cMcl jI, bwvw jI Aqy qusIN (mYN) iqMny hI gwauNdy ho Aqy quhwfI swirAw dI Awvwz vI imldI hY[ ieh d`so ik quhwfw(myry v`l ieSwrw krky) gurU kOx hY? (cMcl jI v`l vyK ky) mYN ikhw sI "myry gurU jI nirMdr cM cl jI hn[" auh mY bMbeI lY ky ju gey sn[ myrI g`l sux ky cMcl jI ny ikhw sI qW iPr gurU Dwrn dI sYrImnI(Ceremony) vI kro[ bwAd iv`c ies dI sYrImnI kIqI vI geI sI[ cMcl jI Awp vI ikhw krdy sn ik BwvyN ies isKwieAw ies dy pqI ny hY pr gurU ies ny mY bxwieAw hY[ ies qrHW mYN cMcl jI Awpxw gurU bxwieAw sI[ suAwl: hux jdoN ik qusIN KulH ky ies ^yqr iv`c Aw hI gey sI qW d`sogy ik qusIN Awpxw pihlw pRogrwm ik`Qy kIqw sI Aqy aus leI quhw ikMnW ku irAwz krnw ipAw sI? ies pihlI styz qy quhw lokW v`loN ikho ijhw huMgwrw imilAw sI Aqy qusIN iks qrHW dw mihsUs kIqw sI? juAwb: pihlI styz ijs qy mY ieh lY ky gey sn auh sI Swied ipMf 'F`fy'[ nhIN ies qoN pihlW AsIN iksy hor QW qy gey sI[ ieh g`l sMn 1968 dI hI hY[ audoN Ajy myrI SwdI nvIN nvIN hI hoeI sI[ ienHW mY ieh nhIN sI dìsAw ik styz qy gwaux jwxw hY[ ienHW ny ikhw sI ik ie`k dosq dy Gr pwrtI qy jwxw hY[ rsqy iv`c ienHW mY ikhw ik gihxy lwh lY[ mYN gihxy qW lwh ley pr AMdroN hYrwn sW ik ienHW ny gihxy lwhux leI ikauN ikhw hY[ QoVHw A`gy gey qW ienHW ny kih id`qw ik mYN Awpxw cUVw vI lwh dyvW[ mYN hYrwn pr h`sidAW hoieAW pu`C hI ilAw sI ik qusIN pihlW myry gihxy luhw id`qy hn hux cUVw vI luhw rhy ho[ ik`Dry mY myry Gr hI qW nhIN C`fx jw rhy? jdoN mY iehnW gwaux leI ikhw sI qW mYN au~Qy gwauxw qW kI sI roNdI hI rhI sW[ s`c qW ieh hY ik mY ivAwhvW-SwdIAW iv`c styzW au~pr gwauxw cMgw nhIN sI l`gdw[ iPr sw PYmlI plYinMg ivBwg iv`c srkwrI pRogrwm imlx l`g pey sn[ ieh mY TIk Aqy imAwrI l`gdy sn[ ienHW dw pirvwr vI KWdw-pINdw pirvwr sI Aqy Aswfw vI ie`jqdwr pirvwr sI[ ienHW dy pirvwr iv`c ienHW dI ie`k BYx kwPI AmIr sI[ aus ny ie`k idn ienHW do-tu`k g`l kridAW hoieAW ikhw sI ik Brw Awpxy kMm iv`c ie`k pwsy l`g jwh[ jW qW ies kMm C`f dy jW iksy pwiedwr p`Dr dw ies kMm bxw lY[ A`D ivcwly hI FIck-FIck ltkxw cMgw nhIN l`gdw[ aus dI ieh g`l swfy vwsqy vMgwr sI, ie`k cYilMz sI[ AsIN ies cYilMz pRvwn kridAW hoieAW ie`k swl ft ky imhnq kIqI[ ienHW ny myrI srkwrI nOkrI vI Cufw id`qI[ izMgdI nwl smJOqw kr ilAw sI ik kuJ bxnw hY[ kuJ kr ky ivKwauxw hY[ mYN idlI tI.vI. qy sIlYkt hoeI, ie`Qy ryfIE qy sIlYkt hoeI[ ienHW ny KUb imhnq krvweI sI[ ies swrI lgn Aqy imhnq dy nwl nwl cMcl jI dw ASIrvwd vI mY imldw rihMdw sI[ auh hI mY tI.vI qy lY ky gey sn[ audoN jlMDr tI.vI. sYNtr nhIN sI
bixAw[ jdoN ies ^yqr iv`c nW bx igAw qW v`K v`K ilKwrI Awpxy gIq rIkwrf krvwaux leI lY ky Awaux l`g pey sn[ auh kihMdy ik qusIN rIkwrifMg ikauN nhIN krvwauNdy[ AsIN kih C`fdyy ik twiem hI nhIN imldw[ iPr Sugl ny swfI rIkwrifMg krvweI sI Aqy vwihgurU dI ikRpw nwl pihlw hI qvw (rIkwrf) ih`t ho igAw sI[ suAwl: mYfm bwvw jI, jdoN qusIN gwiekI dy ^yqr iv`c Awey bySk ieh quhwfy pqI dI hI dyx sI iPr vI ieh auh smW sI jdoN lVkIAW dw styz qy Aw ky gwauxw cMgw nhIN sI smiJAw jWdw[ quhwfy shurw pirvwr dw ies bwry kI pRqIkrm sI? juAwb: myry shurw pirvwr v`loN qW kI myry pykw pirvwr v`loN vI ies kMm cMgw nhIN sI smiJAw jWdw[ auh kihMdy sn ieh kMm nw kro[ ieh koeI iezq vwlw kMm nhIN[ myry shurw pirvwr iv`coN qW myry pqI v`loN hI mY ies pwsy v`l lwieAw igAw sI Aqy myry pqI hI ies kMm leI myrI Fwl bxdy sn[ jdoN kdy vI Gr iv`c ieho ijhw ivvwd au~Tdw sI qW myry v`loN bwvw jI hI aus g`l dI vkwlq krdy sI[ ijs qrHW mYN pihlW vI ikhw hY ik ienHW dy pirvwr iv`coN ienHW dI BYx ijhVI ik jmnw ngr ivAwhI hoeI sI Aqy bhuq izAwdw AmIr sI aus ny ikhw sI ik ies DMdy jW qW ies p`Dr dw bxw lvo ik AsIN &Kr nwl kih skIey ik ieh swfw vIr hY jW ies kMm C`f idau qW ju sw smwj iv`c SrimMdw nw hoxw pvy ik ieh ikhVw kMm krdy hn[ ies PYsly auprMq AsIN idn rwq imhnq kIqI[ AsIN dovW ny nOkrIAW vI C`f id`qIAW sn[ mY hONslw idMidAW hoieAw ieh ikhw krdy sn ik vyKdy hW, jykr iksmq swQ nw dyvygI AwpW pRweIvyt skUl KolH lvWgy[ qUM jy.bI.tI hY Aqy mYN AYm.ey. bI.AY~f hW[ AsIN jdoN pihlw pRogrwm kIqw sI qW auh swrI rwq cìlAw sI Aqy swfI gwiekI dI g`fI vI c`l inklI sI[ suAwl: hux jdoN ik ies g`l dw koeI ^dSw nhIN ik qusIN ijs lwien qy c`ly sI auh ik`Dry lVKVw nw jwvy[ ies ^yqr iv`c quhwfy pYr jMm cu`ky hn Aqy qusIN bulMdIAW qy ho[ mYN jwxnw cwhuMdw hW ik kI gwiekI dI m`s quhwfIAW bytIAW AMdr vI hY jW nhIN? juAwb: myrI gwiekI dI qwlIm iv`c qW myry pqI dw hI Xogdwn hY jdoN ik myrIAW bytIAW ny ieh qwlIm,sMgIq dI qwlIm XUnIvristI p`Dr qoN pRwpq kIqI hY[ sMgIq is`Kx vwsqy aunHW ny izMdgI dy vIh swl ies pwsy lw ky sMgIq dI qwlIm hwsl kIqI hY[ ivìdAk p`Dr qy myrIAW lVkIAW fbl AYm.ey AYm iPl hn[ lok gwiekI auhnW ny myry koloN is`KI hY[ ieh TIk hY ik auh A`j dI styzI n`c t`p qoN Zuryj krdIAW hn, iPr vI Awpxy qOr qy hI ryfIE/tI.vI. pRgrwm krdIAW hI rihMdIAW hn[ auh Zzl vI gwauNdIAW hn[ qwlIm dy ihswb nwl qW mYN smJdI hW ik auh myry qoN vI A`gy hn[ aurdU aunHW ny Awpxy pwpw jI koloN isìKAw hY,lok gwiekI myry koloN Aqy SwsqrI sMgIq skUl/kwlj/XUnIvristI p`Dr qoN isìKAw hY[ suAwl: quhwfIAW smkwlI gwiekwvW,jdoN qusIN gwiekI dy ^yqr iv`c gwauxw SurU kIqw sI ikhVIAW ikhVIAW sn? aunHW iv`coN ikhVIAW pRis`D vI hoeIAW ijnHW nwl quhwfw ie`k qrHW dw mukwblw vI irhw sI? juAwb: suirMdr kOr jI ijnHW 'pMjwb dI koiel' krky jwixAw jWdw hY myry qoN v`fy sn[ myry siqkwrXog sn[ nirMdr bIbw jI vI myry qoN v`fy sn Aqy aunHW dw mYN bhuq siqkwr krdI sW[ hux vI krdI hW[ rxjIq kOr jI vI bhuq A`Cw gwauNdy sn[ jgmohx jI myry hwx dy Aqy smkwlI sn[ auh vI bhuq vDIAw gwauNdy sn[ ienHW dohW nwl myrw bhuq hI ipAwr sI[ Aksr auh hux vI mY imldy rihMdy hn[ mYN smJdI hW ik hr ^yqr iv`c klwkwr dy nsIb hI kMm AwauNdy hn[ kwmXwbI dI imTws mk`dr nwl hI c`Kx imldI hY[ keIAW dy GrylU hwlwq hI aunHW A`Dvwty C`f jwx leI mzbUr kr idMdy hn Aqy auh AwpxI mMizl qy nhIN phuMc skdy[ hr ie`k dw Awpxw Awpxw nsIb huMdw hY[ ies iv`c SyKI vwlI koeI g`l nhIN[
pihlI p`Dr qy kMm hI kMm krnw huMdw hY pr jdoN QoVHI Sohrq imlx l`gdI hY qW mukblw vI SurU ho jWdw hY[ mYN qW klwkwrW audoN vI ikhw krdI sW ik styzW qy ie`k dUsry qy ktw^S nw kro[ Awpxw Awpxw kMm kro[ Awpxw Awpxw hunr pyS kro ijhVw quhwfy AMdr hY[ kdr hunr dI hI pvygI[ suAwl: gwiekI dy ^yqr iv`c Aw ky qusIN jo kMm kIqw hY Aqy quhw ijhVw mwx-snmwn imilAw hY, kI qusIN aus qoN sMquSt ho jW smJdy ho ik jo kMm qusIN kIqw hY aus Anuswr quhw mwx-snmwn nhIN imilAw? jy smJdy ho nhIN qW auh kI kwrn hn? KulH ky crcw kro[ juAwb: myry qoN pihlW myry pqI ny vI styz qoN do-gwxw gIq(fIaUt) gwey hn[ pr jdoN mYN ies ^yqr iv`c Aw ky lok klw leI kMm kIqw hY mYN smJdI hW aus dw mY pUrw rIvwrf nhIN imilAw[ myrw bxdw snmwn mY nhIN imilAw[ bySk mY bhuq Avwrf imly hn iPr vI pUrn nhIN hn[ mY SRomxI gwiekw dw purskwr dy ky snmwinAw igAw hY[ rwj gwiekw dw styt Avwrf vI mY 1991 iv`c imilAw[ nrkr bwieEgRwPI ienstIicaUt AmrIkw vwilAW v`loN Avwrf lYx leI bulwieAw sI pr iksy kwrn krky mYN jw nhIN sW skI Aqy myrI pRqI bynqI qy aunHW v`loN auh Avwrf ie`Qy hI Byj id`qw igAw sI[ 300 swlw Kwlsw idvs qy vI mY snmwinAw igAw[ sMn 2009 iv`c mY Aqy AMimRqsr dIAW dUsrIAW klwkwr AOrqW AGA, Heritage Club,Amritsar ivKy, PECOBA v`loN ie`k snmwn smwroh iv`c "Kalpana Chawla Excellence,Award-2009 nwl smwinAw igAw sI[ jykr mYN ieh kih lvW ik koeI AYsI sMsQw nhIN rihMdI ijs v`loN mY smnmwinAw nw igAw hovy qW ieh AiqkQnI nhIN hovygI[ m`D pRdyS srkwr v`loN mY 'dyvI AihilAw' purskwr dy ky snmwinAw igAw hY[ ies purskwr dy nwl mY ie`k l`K rupeIAw vI id`qw igAw sI[ ieh swry Avwrf,mwx-snmwn Aqy Dn rwSIAW lY ky vI mYN smJdI hW ik ijhVw sB qoN v`fw ienwm myrI JolI ipAw hY auh hY lokW dw ipAwr[ aunHW ny myrI gwiekI Awpxy isr qy cuìkAw hoieAw hY[ mY zIro qoN hIro bxw id`qw hY[ ies SbdW nwl mwipAw nhIN jw skdw Aqy pYsy nwl qoilAw nhIN jw skdw[(h`sidAW hoieAW) mYN ie`k idn suBwivk hI bwvw jI pu`C ilAw sI ik bwvw jI lokIN eynW ipAwr ikauN krdy hn? ikqy AwpW CyqI hI qW nhIN qur jwxw? s`c jwixE lokW v`loN imilAw ipAwr mn iv`c aulhws pYdw kr idMdw hY[ jykr mwx snmwn dI hI g`l krdy ho qW ieh vI myry mwx iv`c hI Swml hY ik jdoN ihMd-pwk smJOqw b`s c`lI sW qW aus rvwnw krn smyN mYN vI hwzr sW[ aus smyN dI mu`K mMqrI SRImqI rwijMdr kOr B`Tl jI ny b`s hrI JMfI ivKweI sI Aqy myry koloN ie`k gIq vI gvwieAw igAw sI[ mYN ikhw sI ik ieDr vI myry cwcy qwey hn Aqy au~Dr vI myry cwcy-qwey v`sdy hn[ myrI gwiekI dw snmwn kridAW hoieAw ie`k vyrW mY jMifAwlw gurU ivKy isìkAW nwl vI qoilAw igAw sI[ suAwl: iesy suAwl nwl rldw-imldw suAwl hY ik qusIN ikhw sI ik ijMnW qusW kMm kIqw hY aus Anuswr bxdw snmwn quhw nhIN imilAw? auh ikhVI kmIN rih geI hY ijhVI quhw rVkdI hY? juAwb: ijhVw swfw smW sI audoN roz hI styz huMdI sI[ roz hI kMm hI kMm huMdw sI[ mYN socdI hW ik A`j ijs qrHW Avwrf imldy hn jy mYN audoN cwhuMdI qW ijMny mrzI Avwrf lY lYNdI[ pr nhIN aus smyN swfI soc iv`c ie`k hI g`l smweI hoeI sI ik kMm hI pUjw hY[ gwiekI ie`k pUjw hY[ A`j kI ho irhw hY pYsy dy zor nwl Avwrf ley jw rhy hn[ klw ivkwaU ho geI lgdI hY[ klw vrgI piv`qr cIz bzwrU ho geI lgdI hY[ ieh vyK ky du`K huMdw hY[ pr cu`p hI BlI l`gdI hY[
suAwl: gwiekI dy ^yqr iv`c quhw lMmI hyk dI milkw dy nW nwl jwixAW jWdw hY Aqy lok gwiekI dI rUh ikhw jWdw hY[ qusIN ies p`Dr qy phuMcx vwsqy ikMnW ku irAwz krdy ho? kI quhwfw glw pRmwqmw dI dyx hY jW ieh irAwz dw Pl hY? juAwb: sO pRqISq hI ieh TIk hY ik klw pRBU dI dwq hY[ jykr ieh pRBU dI dwq(God gifted) nw huMdI qW hr iksy kol Aijhw glw huMdw[ pRBU dI dwq qW iml geI pr ies sWBxw qW swfw hI &rj hY[ jy BWfw hY qW aus mWjxw vI pvygw qW hI auh sw& rhygw[ rozwnw dw irAwz hI gly mWjxw AKvwauNdw hY[ rozwnw GMtw,A`Dw GMtw ijMnW smW imly irAwz kro[ mYN Ajy vI rozwnw irAwz krdI hW[ ies vwsqy koeI bMdS nhIN ik ikMnW icr irAwz krnw hY[ ijMnW v`D qoN v`D smW iml sky ies ikirAw krdy rho[ muk`dI g`l irAwz hI sPlqw dI kuMjI hY[ ieh g`l vI d`sxw cwhuMdI hW ik lMmI hyk dw pRXog vI pihlI vwr myry v`loN hI kIqw igAw sI[ zwrjIAw mulk iv`c hr swl Independence Day of Culture vjoN ie`k idn mnwieAw jWdw hY[ aus iv`c v`K v`K hor 19 mulkW qoN gwiek bulwey gey sn[ Bwrq v`loN aus iv`c Swml hox leI mY ByijAw igAw sI[ jdoN ATwrW dyS Awpxw Awpxw pRogrwm pyS kr cu`ky sn qW myrI vwrI AweI[ mYN AwpxI lMmI hyk nwl jdoN gIq gwieAw qW sroiqAW qoN vwh vwh K`tI sI[ jdoN mYN Awpxw pRogrwm pyS krky styz qoN hyTW AW rhI sI qW myrI hYrwnI dI koeI h`d nw rhI jdoN mYN Awpxy ip`Cy muV ky vyiKAw ik myry ip`Cy ip`Cy ie`k zwrjIAn AOrq dOVI Aw rhI sI[ aus ny myry nyVy Aw ky ikhw "You are world's big lady" (qUM dunIAW dI mhwn AOrq hY)[ aus dy h`Q iv`c ie`k GVI sI ijs v`l ieSwrw kr ky aus ny mY smJwieAw sI ik mYN 45 sYikMf q`k lMmI hyk lweI hY[ KuS ho ky aus ny auh GVI hI mY dy id`qI sI[ kI ieh iksy snmwn nwloN G`t sI[ ies vI qW ie`k qrHW nwl myrw snmwn hI ikhw jw skdw hY[ suAwl: AsIN vyKdy hW ik quhwfI Awvwz iv`c ijhVw dm-^m jvwnI iv`c sI A`j vI auh kwiem hY[ ies bxweI r`Kx vwsqy kI quhw koeI Kws qrHW dI Kurwk lYxI pYNdI hY jW koeI hor g`l hY? juAwb: iehdy vwsqy koeI ûrwk inscq nhIN ik mYN zrUr ieh hI KwxI hY[ pr pRhyz zrUr krdI hW qW jo gly Krwb hox qoN bcwieAw jw sky[ K`tw im`Tw Aqy izAwdw mswilAW vwlIAW Aqy qlIAW hoeIAW cIjW qoN hmySW hI pRhyz krdI hW[ Swied qusIN ieh g`l nhIN jwxdy ik mYN swrI aumr hI mIt nhIN KwDw[ mYN Awpxy gly TIk r`Kx vwsqy ie`QoN q`k iKAwl r`KdI hW ik jdoN iksy pRogrwm qy bwhr jWdI hW qW Awpxw pIx vwlw pwxI vI nwl lY ky jWdI hW[ b`s hor koeI izAwdw AijhI g`l nhIN ijs bwry mYN kih skW ik myry gly dy dm-^m vwsqy mYN ieh krdI hW, auh krdI hW[ swvIN p`DrI izMdgI jIau rhI hW[ suAwl: A`j dI pIVHI ijho ijhw gw rhI qusIN aus nwl ik`QoN q`k sihmq ho? kI qusIN smJdy ho ik aus qy p`CmI pRBwv pY irhw hY[ kI auh TIk pwsy jw rhy hn jW nhIN? juAwb: mYN nhIN smJdI ik koeI p`CmI pRBwv swfI gwiekI qy pY irhw hY[ jykr p`CmI pRBwv swfI gwiekI qy pvygw qW mYN smJdI hW kuJ vI ivgVygw nhIN sgoN suDrygw hI[ Asl iv`c swfy qy nIgro klcr hwvI hoieAw hY[ AsIN aus klcr dy mgr l`g ky Aqy kuJ pYsy dI hvs krky nIvIN p`Dr dw mhOl rc ilAw hY[ mYN ieh g`l dwAvy nwl kih skdI hW ik ieh sB iCMnBMgr hY[ ieh pwxI dy bulbly vrgw smW hY[ ieh klcr izAwdw smW itk nhIN skygw[ suAwl: ies g`l hor sw& krn vwsqy mYN jwxnw cwhuMdw hW ik A`j k`lH dy gwiek koeI irAwz qW krdy nhIN[ koeI aunHW dw ausqwd nhIN huMdw[ k`dU iv`c fMfw AVwieAw qy Aw gey styz qy gwaux[ kI ieho ijhI gwiekI ijs iv`c A`j k`lH l`cr gIqW dI Brmwr hY swfI siBAqw dI swfI sMsikRqI dI gwiekI Fwh nhIN lw rhI?
juAwb: ijs Skl sUrq dI gwiekI dI qusIN g`l krdy ho auh izAwdw icr c`lx vwlI nhIN huMdI[ ieh qW qOVI dy aubwl vrgI huMdI hY[ au~bl ky Awpxy Awp hI bih jwvygI[ ieh vyKx imldw hY ik ie`k mhIny iv`c sq A`T kYstW mwrkIt iv`c AwauNdIAW hn[ aunHW iv`coN ie`k A`Dw hI Aijhw gIq huMdw hY ijhVw lokW dI zbwn qy rih jWdw hY bwkI sB dw CyqI hI Bog pY jWdw hY[ ieh vI Awpy hI ^qm ho jwvygw[ ies dI aumr lMmI nhIN[ iPr vI loV hY Awpxy klcr bcwaux dI ijs sB qoN izAwdw Fwh l`g rhI hY[ suAwl: bwvw jI, A`j dy gIqW iv`c psqOlW,CvHIAW,gMfwisAW, rPlW dI SbdwvlI bhuq izAwdw vrqI jw rhI[ j`tW ies SbdwvlI nwl aukswieAw jWdw hY[ A`j dIAW kYstW dy gIqW ny skUlW kwljW AwSkI dy A`fy bxw ky r`K id`qw hY[ ies iv`c qusIN iks doSI mMndy ho? kI ies vwsqy gIqkwr ksUrvwr hn jW jnqw? ieh vI d`so ik ies ikvyN roikAw jw skdw hY? juAwb: ieh mslw Awvwm dw mslw hY[ jnqw dw mslw hY[ mYN smJdI hW ik ies vwsqy jnqw A`gy Awauxw pvygw[ ie`k vwr jdoN iksy l`cr gIq gwaux vwly jnqw styz qoN ieh kih ky lwh dyvygI ik AsIN ieho ijhw gMd mMd nhIN suxnw[ myrw mMnxw hY ik auh dubwrw Aijhy gIq lY ky styz v`l mUMh vI nhIN krygw[ pihlI g`l qW ieh ik hux bwpUAW kol KUMfy hI nhIN rih gey ijs dw kdy fr huMdw sI[ myrI jwcy kuJ lo&r ijhy nvyN nvyN jvwn hoey muMfy hI ies sux ky auqSwihq kr rhy hn[ ies g`l n`Q pwaux vwsqy isAwxy AwdmIAW A`gy Awauxw cwhIdw hY Aqy styzW qy c`l rhy ieho ijhy l`cr pRogrwmW inrauqSwihq krnw cwhIdw hY[ mYN XkIn nwl kih skdI hW ik jy ies qrHW ho jwvy qW ieh izAwdw smW nhIN k`Fxgy[ suAwl: mYN jwxnw cwhuMdw hW ik qusIN lok gwiekI iv`c gIq dI iks iks vMngI gwieAw hY? ies zrw ivsQwr nwl d`so[ juAwb: swfI lok gwiekI dw Gyrw bhuq ivSwl hY[ ie`k vyrW sw iksy srkwrI AiDkwrI rwhIN ies g`l dI PrmwieS AweI sI ik lok gwiekI dy gIqW rIkwrf krvw ky idau[ ies ivrsy dy rUp iv`c sWB ky r`Kxw hY[ AsIN cMfIgVH iv`c ie`k stUfIE buk krvw ky, pìlauN pYsY lw ky, sB kuJ rIkwrf krvw ky srkwr id`qw sI pr aus bwry sw hux q`k kuJ vI pqw nhIN ik auh swfw kIqw krwieAw ik`Dr igAw hY[ pYsy pìlauN lwey smW v`K nSt kIqw pr aus 'coN inkilAw kuJ vI nhIN[ hW ryfIE stySn jlMDr vìlAW ny ies ivrsy dI v`fmu`lI cIz zrUr sMBwilAw hY[ mYN jnm qoN lY ky mrn q`k dy gIq GoVIAW,suhwg sB gwey hn[ mrn dIAW AlwhuxIAW vI gweIAW hn[ lMmI hyk nwl imrzy dIAW klIAW vI gweIAW hn[ suAwl: gwiekI dy ^yqr iv`c ivcridAW hoieAW kI quhw kdy dyS qoN bwhr jwx dw vI mOkw imilAw hY? juAwb: mYN Awpxy qOr qy dyS qoN bwhr bhuq G`t geI hW[ Bwrq srkwr v`loN mY 25 dySw iv`c gwiekI vwsqy ByijAw igAw hY[ lok hYrwn huMdy sn ik ieh iks qrHW bwhr cly jWdy hn[ mY Kud nhIN sI pqw huMdw ik mYN bwhr jwx vwsqy ikvyN cuxI jWdI sW[ ie`k vyrW jdoN mYN rUs iv`c geI sW qW auQy myry kol iv`c bzurg AwieAw[ aus ny mY ikhw muMnI (audoN CotI hI sW) mYN qyry nwl Poto iKcvwauxI hY[ auh swaUQ ieMfIAn sI[ mYN hYrwn sW ik mYN qW ies nhIN jwxdI, ies nwl Poto dw kI mqlb[ bwvw jI vI aus smyN myry nwl hI sn[ iPr mYN aus bzurg dI v`fI aumr dw mwx kridAW hoieAw Poto iKcvwaux leI hW kr id`qI sI[ bwAd iv`c aus ny mY dìsAw sI ik jdoN cMfIgVH iv`c myrI cox ho rhI sI qW aus ny hI mY pMjwb dy klwkwrW 'coN bwhr jwx vwsqy cuixAw sI[ aus ny ieh vI dìsAw sI ik mYN gweI jw rhI sI Aqy lokIN n`cI jw rhy sn[ lokW ies g`l dI vI pRvwh nhIN sI ik lwietW vwsqy ibjlI dIAW qwrW iv`coN krMt vI pY skdw hY[
mY jwpwn,ilbIAw,sIrIAw,pYrs,mlySIAW,pwiksqwn,QweIlYNf(iqMn vwr) Aqy hor keI dySw iv`c srkwrI tUr qy geI hW[ Awpxy in`jI tUr qy knyfw mYN do vwr geI hW[ ies g`l iv`c mYN &Kr mihsUs krdI hW ik sB qoN izAwdw vyrW mY hI Bwrq srkwr v`loN bwhr ByijAw igAw hY[ suAwl: ijvyN ik qusIN dìsAw hY ik quhwfw izAwdw smW pRogrwm krn iv`c hI bqIq huMdw irhw hY[ ieh jwxnw cwhvWgw ik qusIN qW izAwdw krky bwhr hI rihMdy sI, qW quhwfy bìcAW dw pwlx-poSx iks qrHw huMdw sI Aqy kI qusIN Gr gRihsqI gwiekI dy pySy qoN hI clwauNdy sI? juAwb: bìcAw dI dyKryK vwsqy Gr iv`c nOkr sn Aqy ies dy nwl nwl swfyy irSqydwrW dw vI Xogdwn irhw hY[ ieh g`l vI TIk hY ik swfw swrw inrbwh gwiekI dy pySy qoN hI huMdw sI[ suAwl: mYfm jI, bVw lMmw s&r hY quhwfI gwiekI dw[ ies s&r iv`c keI GtnwvW GtIAW hoxgIAW ijhVIAW Xwd Awaux qy qusIN A`j vI Bwvk ho jWdy hovogy[ iksy AijhI Gtnw bwry d`soN ijhVI quhwfy vwsqy ABu`l Xwd bx ky rih geI hovy? juAwb: hW[ ie`k Gtnw hY ijs Xwd krky A`j vI mYN Bwvuk ho jWdI hW[ AsIN(mYN Aqy myrw pqI) Ajnwlw (izlHw AMimRqsr) ielwky dy ie`k ipMf iv`c pRogrwm krky AwpxI kwr iv`c vwps Aw rhy sI ik rsqy iv`c sVk dy kMFy ie`k bzurg ijs nwl do Coty Coty b`cy sn Kloqw sI[ swfI kwr spIf qy Aw rhI sI[ pqw nhIN aus bzurg ies g`l dw ikvyN Aihsws ho igAw sI ik ieh gurmIq bwvw dI hI g`fI hY ijhVI pRogrwm krky vwips Aw rhI hY[ aus vyK ky AsIN AwpxI g`fI dI spIf ieh soc ky G`t kr leI sI ik ieh vI ho skdw hY auh bImwr hovy Aqy aus hspqwl jwx leI swfI mdd dI loV hovy[ jdoN swfI g`fI aus dy nyVy Aw ky rukI qW aus ny puìCAw,"kI ieh gurmIq bwvw dI g`fI hY?" AsIN ikhw hW[ aus bzurg ny F`Ty ijhy mn nwl ikhw sI "izMdgI dw qW hux koeI Brosw nhIN[mYN soicAw clo, gurmIq bwvw jI dy drSn hI kr leIey[" aus ny AwpxI zyb iv`coN ds, vIh jW Swied qIh rupey ijMny aus dI zyb iv`c sn k`Fy Aqy myry pYrW iv`c r`K idqy sn[ aus bzurg bwby dIAW BwvnwvW vyK ky mYN hYrwn rih geI sW[ AsIN Awpxy Awp Srmswr mihsUs kr rhy sW ik ieh bzurg ijhVw swfy ipqw smwn hY ies ny swfy A`gy isr JukwieAw hoieAw hY[ ij`QoN AsIN pRogrwm krky Aw rhy sW,au~QoN dy pRbMDkW v`loN sw miTAweI dw ie`k f`bw imilAw sI,AsIN auh f`bw aus ipAwr nwl dy id`qw sI[ kuJ idnW bwAd iPr sb`b bx igAw sI ausy pwsy pRogrwm qy jwx dw[ mn iv`c AwieAw clo aus bwby dy drSn hI krdy c`ldy hW[ jdoN AsIN pu`Cdy-puCwauNdy aus dy Gr phuMcy qW swfy pYrW hyToN zmIn inkl geI[ aus dy Gr iv`coN rox dIAW AwvwzW Aw rhIAW sn[ pu`Cx qy pqw l`gw ik auh bzurg ies &wnI dunIAW Alivdw kih aufwrI mwr igAw sI[ ieh bySk cwxc`k Aqy CotI ijhI mulwkwq sI pr ijhVw Asr ieh myry idl qy C`f geI sI auh mY A`j vI nhIN Bu`ldw[ suAwl: bwvw jI, gwiekI dy ^yqr iv`c ijhVI nvIN pnIrI Aw rhI hY, kI qusIN aunHW koeI sunyhw dyxw cwhogy? juAwb: myrw qW ieqnw ku hI sunyhw hY:" ApnI m`tI py clny kw slIkw sIKo[ sMgymrmr pr clogy qo i&sl jwEgy[" ijs kmry iv`c bYT ky mYfm bwvw jI nwl aunHW dI klw Aqy jIvn bwry crcw kIqI jw rhI sI auh kmrw v`K v`K srkwrI Aqy gYr srkwrI sMsQwvW v`loN aunHW imlIAW trOPIAW Aqy SIlfW nwl BirAw ipAw sI, ijhVw ies g`l dI gvwhI Brdw sI ik aunHW dI gwiekI dI klw cwhux vwilAW dI A`j vI koeI kmI nhIN hY[ trOPIAW dI igxqI eynIN izAwdw sI ik r`Kx kmry iv'c QW nhIN sI ijs krky trOPIAW/SIlfW
ie`k dUsry dy ip`Cy r`KIAW hoeIAW sn Aqy keI qW A`j vI QW dI Bwl iv`c myzW qy hI ieMqzwr kr rhIAW sn[ g`lW kridAW kridAw hI mYN bwvw jI bynqI kIqI sI ik gwiekI dy ^yqr bwry qusIN swfy nwloN izAwdw jwxdy ho[ keI vyrW AsIN ivcwry jw rhy ivSy dy aus pihlU AxCUihAw hI C`f jWdy hW ijhVw ivSy dw mu`K Durw huMdw hY[ jykr quhwfy mn iv`c koeI Aijhw p`K kihxw bwkI rih igAw hovy qW qusIN kih skdy ho[ h`sidAw hoieAW bwvw jI ny au~qr id`qw sI ik myrI jwcy gwiekI dw hr pihlU GoiKAw igAw hY[ AMq iv`c mYN qW ieh kih ky smwpq krWgI ik ieh sB myry mwlk (eISvr) dI hI dyx hY[ ijs qy auh imhrbwn huMdw hY aus ieh sB krn dI qO&Ik vI b^S idMdw hY[ myrw muJ my ikCu nhI jo ikC hY so qyrw] qyrw quJ ko saupqy ikAw lwgy myrw] bwvw jI dw ieh kihxw hI aunHW dy AMdr dw pRqIibMb sI ijhVw d`sdw sI aunHW dw AMdrlw mnu`K haUmY qoN kohW dUr hY[ klw dIAW bulMdIAW qy phuMc ky vI auh ie`k &kIr vrgI soc Dwrn krI bYTI klwkwr hY[ r`b kry AijhIAW rUhW Aijhy klwkwr hmySW kwiem rihx qW jo swfw lok gwiekI dw v`fmùlw ivrsw mihbUz h`QW iv`c sWiBAw rih sky[ bYTy bYTy myry izhn iv`c ie`k Swier dy ieh bol Aw rhy sn: ijs myN koeI Aihly &n Aihly klm pYdw hUAw[ swrI sdIAW mr BI jweyN voh sdI mrqI nhIN[ AwmIn! ***
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auqSwihq kIqw jw skdw hY[ swbkw rwStrpqI fw. Abdul klwm ny ies mwfl Bwrq dIAW mhwn pRwpqIAW iv`c igixAw hY[ piv`qr vyeIN dy kMFy sulqwnpur loDI,dsUhw Awid SihrW qoN ielwvw 40 qoN v`D ipMfW iv`c gMdy pwxI dy bdlvyN pRbMD kr ley gey hn Aqy sulqwnpur loDI dw trIt kIqw hoieAw pwxI 500 eykV zmIn dI isMcweI leI Aqy dsUhw dw pwxI 200 eykV zmIn dI isMcweI leI aupl`BD krvwieAw igAw hY[ iesy qrHW kpUrQlw dw trIt kIqw hoieAw pwxI KyqI leI muhèIAw krvwaux leI 8 iklomItr lMbI pwiep lweIn ivCweI jw rhI hY[ ie ivDI dy lwgU krn nwl PslW leI KwdW dI zrUrq bhuq Gt jWdI hY[ pwxI dI vI b`cq huMdI hY[ ijnHW ikswnW ny ies pwxI dI vrqoN AwpxIAW PslW leI kIqI hY auh d`sdy hn ik ies nwl aunHW dIAW PslW dw JwV vI keI guxw v`D igAw hY[ienHW swry auprwilAw nwl ielwky iv`c jwgRqI AweI hY,nvyN Xu`g dw AwrMB hoieAw hY ijs nwl lokW dw jIvn p`Dr au~cw hoieAw hY,ikrswnI dw suDwr hoieAw hY,ivìdAw,smwijk brwbrqw dy nwl nwl ikrswnW dIAW zmInW dI kImq vI vDI hY[ hVH rwhq dy kwrj: hVW dI hwlq iv`c lokW rwhq phuMcwaux leI syvw kIqI jWdI hY[ dirAwvW dI sPweI shI FMg nwl nw hox krky pMjwb iv`c hr swl brswqW dw pwxI bMnH qoV ky vihx qoN bwhr vgx lgdw hY Aqy hzwrW eykV Psl qbwh kr idMdw hY[ lokW dy mkwn Fih jWdy hn Aqy BwrI jwnI qy mwlI nukswn huMdw hY[ sMn 2008 qoN lY ky lgwqwr hr swl (Agsq 2008 iv`c ig`dVipMfI,julweI 2009 iv`c ipMf mdwrpur,izlHw mogw ivKy, sqMbr 2010 iv`c ipMf gdryBofy izlHw jlMDr,AkqUbr 2010 iv`c c`k vfwlw,sqMbr 2011iv` c ipMf bwaUpur(Swhkot nyVy) Aqy hor keI QwvW qy sqluj dw bMnH tu`tx nwl jdoN hVH AauNdy rhy qW AsIN bMnHW dI muV auswrI Aqy hVH pIVqW rwhq phuMcwaux leI kwrj krdy rhy hW[ suAwl: kI qusIN jl-pRdUSx qoN ielwvw dUsry pRdUSxW pRqI vI kwrjSIl ho? juAwb: jl pRdUSx qoN qW ieh kwrj AwrMB hI hoieAw sI ijs dy nwl nwl hvw dw pRdUSx(Air Pollution),ieh PYktrIAW-kwrKwinAW dy pRdUSx rokx leI bxy pRdUSx kMtrol borf dy vI AsIN mYNbr hW[ ies ivruD AsIN Awvwz auTw rhy hW ik ieh swrw pilaUSn(Pollution) bMd hovy[ AsIN DrqI iv`c ijhVI zihr pw rhy hW aus rokx vwsqy vI XqnSIl hW[ QW QW jw ky AvyArnYs(cyqnw) leI skUlW kwljW Aqy sYmInwr AtYNf krdy hW qW ik hr qrHW dw pRdUSx,cwhy auh smwijk pRdUSx hY,cwhy auh Dwrimk rIqI-irvwzW iv`c AwieAw pRdUSx hY,ijMnI ku swfy AMdr smr`Qw hY,ihMmq hY aus rokx dy auprwly kr rhy hW[ suAwl: pMjwb dy pwxIAW pRdUiSq krn iv`c Asl doSI kOx hY? juAwb: Asl iv`c qW AsIN swry hI is`Dy jW Ais`Dy Aqy smu`cw smwj hI ies leI doSI hY[ ^ws krky ieMfstrIilst,kYmIkl vwly Aqy imaUNspl kwrporySnW ijhVy jl sroqW iv`c gMdw pwxI pw rhy hn, mu`K qOr qy doSI hn[ Awm ienswn vI ies pRqI pUrw sucyq nhIN[ izmIdwr vI prwlIAW swVdw hY, DrqI iv`c keI qrHW dIAW zihrW iCVkdw hY[ myrI jwcy hr ienswn iksy nw iksy qrIky nwl vwqwvrx pRdUiSq krn leI ijMmyvwr hY[ vwqwvrx pRdUSx rihq krn leI smu`cy lokW dw jwgrUk hoxw AqI zrUrI hY[ iek`ly dI koiSS nwl ies kwrj dw pUrw hoxw sMBv nhIN[ suAwl: pRdUSx dI lVI jw rhI lVweI iv`c srkwr ikMnIN ku gMBIr hY? juAwb: hux qoN kuJ icr pihlW q`k srkwr AvyslI rhI hY ijs dw îmAwzw pMjwb dy lokW ^ws krky duAwbw Aqy mwlvw qoN ielwvw rwijsQwn dy lokW ny vI BugiqAw hY[ ies ielwky iv`c kYNsr dI Gwqk ibmwrI dI kropI rhI hY[ lokW v`loN srkwr jgwaux dy auprwilAw sdkw hux srkwr QoVHy smy qoN pRdUSx dy msly 'qy gMBIr hoeI hY[
suAwl: rwjsI lok iks pwsy KVy hn? kI auh Awm lokW v`l hn jW pRdUSx PYlwaux vwly kwrKwnydwrW dy pwly iv`c KVyH hn? juAwb: izAwdwqr rwjsI lok qW pRdUSx PYlwaux vwilAW dy pwsy hI KVy huMdy hn pr hux lok Awvwz ny srkwr Aqy pRSwsn pRdUSx dy msly v`l iDAwn dyx leI mzbUr kr id`qw hY[ ieh cMgI g`l hY[ pRdUSx dw mslw qW smu`cI lokweI dy Bly dw mslw hY[ suAwl: pRdUSx borf iv`c quhwfw Swml hoxw shI kdm sI glq? juAwb: ieh &Yslw shI irhw hY[ pRdUSx borf iv`c Aw ky bhuq g`lW pqw l`gIAW hn[ hux pqw l`gw hY ik borf dy AMdr pihlW qW koeI g`l nhIN sI ho rhI[ hux jdoN dy AsIN ies dy mYNbr bx ky mIitMgW iv`c bYTdy hW qW aunHW qoN kIqI geI kwrvweI bwry pu`Cdy hW ijs nwl auh vI jwgy hn ik kIqy gey kMmW bwry jvwb dyxw pvygw[ ieh hI jwipAw hY ik borf iv`c BwgIdwr hoxw shI &Yslw irhw hY ijs nwl hux borf vI hrkq iv`c AwieAw hY[ suAwl: sRI gurU nwnk dyv jI dI 'dieAw' pRqI soc qusIN Awpxy smwj syvw dy kwrjW iv`c iks qrHW lYNdy ho? myrw Bwv hY "pvxu gurU pwxI ipqw mwqw Driq mhqu" dw AwSw quhwfy pRdUSx kwrjW iv`c mnu`Kqw leI iks qrHW quhwfw mwrg drSn krdw hY? juAwb: pihlw slok hI ijhVw gurbwxI dw hY aus bwry gurU nwnk pwqSwh ny ikhw hY ik AMimRq vyly au~T ky 'jpujI swihb' dw pwT kro[ aunHW ny 'pvxu' gurU, 'pwxI' ipqw Aqy 'Driq' Bwv DrqI mW kih ky siqkwr id`qw hY[ AsIN gurbwxI qW pVHdy hW pr gurbwxI sw jo kih rhI hY aus rwh 'qy nhIN c`ldy[ A`j dI ieh v`fI loV hY ik "pihlW pwxI jIa hY ijqu hirAw sB koie] ieh q`Q ivigAwnk qOr qy vI is`D ho cu`kw hY ik ieh ijhVw swfw pMj q`qW dw srIr hY jykr AsIN ies Su`D nw kIqw, ies pRdUSq kr id`qw qW ies dw pRBwv swfIAW Awaux vwlIAW pIVHIAW q`k jwaUgw Aqy iPr AsIN pCqwaux qoN ibnW hor kuJ nhIN kr skdy[ loV hY sMBlx dI ik ieho ijhy hwlwq nw bx jwx ik AsIN AwpxIAW Awaux vwlIAW nslW Aijhy rog dy jweIey ik auh sw vwr vwr kosx[ ies leI bwxI qoN syD lY ky, bwxI dy sMdrB iv`c hI jo 'dieAw' hY "DOlu Drmu dieAw kw pUq] dw AwSw AîqAwr krIey[ bwxI dw Purmwn hY: ibn dieAw isD ksweI] ieh dieAw hI swry sMswr joVdI hY[ dUsry pRqI hmdrdI dieAw krky hI AwauNdI hY[ pRBU dI dieAw nwl hI mnu`K ieh kwrj kr skdw hY[ gurU dieAw kIqI,gurU ikrpw kIqI[ ausy dI ikrpw,ausy dI dieAw nwl hI swry kwrj c`l rhy hn[ suAwl: quhwfy smwj syvw Aqy lok BlweI dy kwrjW leI kI quhw snmwinAw vI igAw hY? ies qy vI cwnxw pwE jI? juAwb: mwx snmwn dI kI g`l krdy ho[ snmwn qW kuJ smyN leI mn dI iqRpqI dw nW hY[ snmwn qW auh huMdw hY ijs prmwqmw bKSy[ ieh sB aus dy h`Q iv`c hY: "swihb hQ vifAweIAW ijs BwvY iqs dyie]" ienHW kwrjW leI lokW dw Fyr swrw ipAwr imilAw hY[ mwx-snmwn ijhVy imly hn aunHW dI sUcI qW Fyr lMmI hY, ijMny ku Xwd hn quhwfI qs`lI leI d`s idMdw hW: 1. 2 meI,2004 nvwb j`sw isMG AwhlUvwlIAw dy 286vyN jnm idn qy mY sdwcwr isìKAw( Moral Education) dy Kyqr iv`c kIqy kMmW leI snmwinAw igAw sI[ 2. 4 jUn,2004 mnu`Kqw dI BlweI leI kIqy kMmW vwsqy "Awl ieMfIAw ipMglvwVw cYrItybl trst,AMimRqsr vloN snmwinAw igAw[ 3. lok BlweI kwrzW vwsqy hI 26 jUn,2004 nwmDwrI m`q dy rUhwnI gurU, siqgurU jgjIq isMG jI v`loN BYxI swihb ivKy myrw AiBnMdn kIqw igAw sI[ 4. lwielpur Kwlsw kwlj jlMDr dI governing council v`loN 15 jUn,2004 siqkwirAw igAw[ 5. gurU nwnk imSn mYfIkl AYNf AYjUkySn trst,FwhW klyrW izlHw nvW Sihr v`loN 23 julweI,2004 snmwinq kIqw igAw[
6. 3 sqMbr,2004 SRI rwjIv gWDI jI dy jnm idvs dy mOky qy KyfW auqSwihq krn leI kIqy auprwilAW leI snmwinAw igAw sI[ 7. imqI 19-11-2004 ShId mYmorIAl ieMtrnYSnl syvw soswietI v`loN "SRomxI syvw rqn-AYvwrf" nwl snmwinAw igAw[ 8. bwbw jIvn isMG jI dy 300 swlw ieiqhwsk ShIdI smwroh iv`c mukqsr ivKy sMn 2005 snmwn kIqw igAw sI[ 9. 6jUn 2005 World Evironment day (sMswr vwqwvrx idvs) dy mOky qy Punjab Pollution Control Board v`loN vwqwvrx ^yqr iv`c pwey gey Xogdwn leI snmwinAw igAw[ 10. imqI 5 jUn,2006 dUrdrSn jlMDr v`loN "pMj pwxI AYvwrf-2006" nwl snmwinAw igAw[ 11. bwbw bMdw isMG bhwdr dy 290vyN ShIdI idvs dy mOky qy "bYrwgI mhWmMfl luiDAwxw v`loN imqI 0 jUn, 2006 snmwinAw igAw[ 12. Management of Water Resources v`loN Thapar Institute of Engineering Patiala ivKy imqI 18-11-2006 lgweI geI vrkSwp smyN snmwinAw igAw[ 13. imqI 27-11-2006 pMjwb XUnIvristI,swDU AwSrm huiSAwrpur ivKy 'slwnw vrkSwp AwP mhwirSI ivSvw im`qr vyd vydWg(ijhVI ik 27 nvMbr qoN 2 dsMbr 2006 q`k c`lI sI) iv`c snmwinq kIqw igAw sI[ 14. 8 jnvrI,2007 gurU nwnk dyv XUnIvristI,AMimRqsr iv`c do idnw vrkSwp smyN snmwinAw igAw hY[ 15. imqI 4 PrvrI,2007 "ieMtnYSnl BweI mrdwnw soswietI iProjpur" vloN snmwinAw igAw[ 16. kot kpUrw(izlHw PrIdkot) ivKy 7 AprYl,2007 "Living Legend Award" dy ky snmwinAw igAw[ 17. 16 meI,2007 Punjab Global Foundation Patiala v`loN "Global Punjabi Award2006" nwm snmwinAw igAw[ 18. pRis`D Hindi Group of Newspapers "Dainik Bhaskar Jallandhar" v`loN "pMjwb rqn AYvwrf-2007" dy ky jlMDr iv`c snmwinAw igAw sI[ 19. 6 julweI, 2008 US based Social Organigation- SCORE (Sikh Council on Religion and Education,Washington) v`loN "Excellence Among Sikhs" dy AYvwrf nwl snmwinq kIqw igAw sI[ 20. Bwrq dI mwnXog rwStrpqI SRImqI pRiqBw pwitl jI v`loN imqI 17-10-2008 ihswr (hirAwxw) ivKy " inrml gRwm purskwr-2008" dy ky AiBnMdn kIqw sI[ 21. University Law College of G.N.D.U v`loN imqI 17-12-2008 jlMDr ivKy snmwn kIqw igAw sI[ 22. Punjab Academi of Science v`loN imqI17-12-2008 pitAwlw ivKy "PYloiSp" pRdwn kIqI geI sI[ 23. Guru Jambheshawra University of Science and Technology,Hisar v`loN 09-022009 "mDU BsIn AYvwrf"(Madhu Bhasin Award) pRdwn kIqw igAw sI[ 24. sqMbr 2009 iv`c ivMfsr ivKy hoey sMswr dy Dwrimk nyqwvW dy sMmyln iv`c snmwinq kIqw igAw[ 25.bu`D Drm dy pRmu`K nyqw dlweI lwmw v`loN 29-04-2010 DrmSwlw ivKy snmwn kIqw igAw[ 26.swrk dySw dI kwnPrMs iv`c imqI 27-03-2010 nvIN id`lI ivKy swrk ienvwiernmYNt Avwrf nwl snmwinq kIqw igAw[
27. meI 2010 iv`c knyfw dI pwrlImYNt v`loN snmwn kIqw igAw[ies qoN ielwvW hor vI bhuq swry mwx-snmwn v`K v`K sMsQwvW,kwljW,XUnIvristIAW,sMpRdwvW,bwr AYsosIeySnW Aqy pRmu`K hsqIAW qoN imly hn[ suAwl: kI qusIN Ajoky smwj koeI sunyhw dyxw cwhogy? juAwb: myrw qW iehI sunyhw hY ik Awpxy Awly-duAwly sw&-su`Qrw r`Ko[ jl-sroqW pRdUiSq hox qoN bcwE[ ru`K Aqy ku`K pRqI sucyq hovo[ kudrq nwl iKlvwV nw kro[ jykr kudrq dw sMquln ivgwVogy qW AwpxI kbr Awp pu`t rhy hovogy[ sMq bwbw blbIr isMG jI sIcyvwl nwl sulqwnpur loDI ivKy aus piv`qr vyeIN dy kMFy ij`Qy kdy sRI gurU nwnk dyv jI ny ielwhI bwxI dw aucwrx kIqw sI Aqy A`j ijs sIcyvwl jI ny Awpxy isrV Aqy lgn sdkw Pu`lW dI mihk nwl sugMDq kIqw hoieAw sI,AnuBv kr irhw sW ijvyN mYN SWqI inkyqn iv`c bYTw hovW[ ies vwqwvrx pRymI Aqy lok BlweI dy kwrjW iv`c ju`ty hoey ienswn dy m`Qy au~qy dieAw,Drm Aqy smwj syvw dw jlwl mG irhw sI[ ieh g`l vwr vwr myry mn iv`c gyVy lw rhI sI ik jykr iBRStwcwr ivru`D ijs smyN AMnw hzwry lV irhw hY,ausy smyN vwqwvrx dy pRdUSx nwl pMjwb iv`c sMq bwbw blbIr isMG jI sIcyvwl lV rhy hn[ ies qrHW nwl ies bwby pMjwb dw AMnw hzwry kihxw AiqkQnI nhIN hovygw[ mn iv`c soc irhw sW ik jy kr sBnW dI soc kudrq nwl juVn v`l muV jwvy qW svrg aus qoN v`Krw nhIN hovygw[ r`b kry Aijhy haUmY qo Alyp mnu`K hmySw swfw mwrg drSn krdy rihx[ AwmIn! ***
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b^qwvr mIAW sR: b^qwvr isMG jI hurW mYN pihlIvwr 28 PrvrI,2009 imilAw sW[ mwJw pMjwbI s`Q qrn qwrn dw sMcwlk hox dy nwqy ies s`Q v`loN hr swl dI qrHW ies swl vI snmwn smwroh kIqw jwxw sI ijs iv`c ielwky dIAW rol mwfl hsqIAW lokW swhmxy pyS kr ky snmwinAw jwxw sI[ ieh auprwlw hr s`Q v`loN Awpxy ielwky iv`c swl iv`c ie`k vwr kIqw jWdw hY qW jo dUsry lokW aunHW dy jIvn qoN syD iml sky Aqy auh aunHW dw mwrg drSn kr skx[ g`l c`lI sI smwroh iv`c mu`K mihmwn dI cox dI[ Awm krky s`QW dw ieh AwkIdw hY ik auh iksy rwjsI pwrtI dy nyqw mu`K mihmwn bxwaux qoN guryz krdIAW hn[ ies qrHW krky auh Awpxy qy iksy pwrtI nwl juVy hoey hox dw lybl nhIN lvwauxw cwhuMdIAW[ ieh vI vyKx iv`c AwieAw hY ik iksy sMqrI-mMqrI smwgm iv`c bulw lYx nwl sBw dw swrw iDAwn aus dI AwE Bgq iv`c hI l`g jWdw hY Aqy dUsry lok AxgOly AnuBv krdy hn[ sR: jsmyl isMG jI 'cIdw' pRDwn "cMfIgVH-pMjwb XUnIAn AwP jnrilst" p`qrkwr XUnIAn ny suJw idMdy hoey dìsAw sI ik ies smyN qrn qwrn sb fvIXn dy AYs.fI.AYm sR: b^qwvr isMG jI hn aunHW bqOr mu`K mihmwn bulw ilAw jwvy[ auh A&srSwhI dI boA qoN kohW dUr hn Aqy swihqk m`s vI r`Kdy hn[ srb sMmqI nwl aunHW hI mu`K mihmwn vjoN bulwauxw pRvwn kr ilAw igAw sI[ ies qrHW aunHW nwl ieh myrI pihlI mulwkwq sI[jykr jwxnw hovy ik pwxI ikMnW ku fMUGw hY qW aus iv`c au~qrnw pYNdw hY Aqy jykr iksy ienswn bwry jwxn dI lwlsw hovy qW aus dy vI AMdr au~qrnw pYNdw hY[ pihlI imlxI iv`c bySk mYN izAwdw smW sR. b^qwvr isMG jI nwl nhIN sW ibqw sikAw pr aunHW dIAW A`KW iv`c mYN ijhVI cmk vyKI sI aus ny mY ies g`l dI Jlk zrUr idKw id`qI sI ies ienswn iv`c dUsirAW nwloN koeI ivl`Kxqw zrUr hY[ mY auh ijs qrHW dw bwhroN id`s irhw sI aus nwloN AMdroN kuJ v`Krw mihsUs huMdw sI[ aus AMdr koeI AijhI cuMbkI iK`c sI ijhVI myrI AMqr Awqmw iK`c rhI sI[ smyN smyN mY aunHW nwl imlx dw mOkw imldw irhw Aqy hr mulwkwq iv`c aunHW nyiVE vyKx dw suBwg vI[ hr imlxI iv`c aunHW dy v`K v`K rUp Aqy aunHW AMdrlw ienswn myry mn dy kYnvs qy Awpxy rMg ibKyrdw igAw[ aunHW bwry hor hor jwxn dI qlb v`DdI geI[ iPr ie`k idn auh smW Aw hI igAw jdoN myry dosq sR: jsmyl isMG jI 'cIdw' ny aunHW iek`l iv`c swfy nwl bYTx dw smW dyx leI mnw hI ilAw[ aunHW dI vI mzbUrI sI,ijs Ahudy qy auh qwienwq hn kwPI ruJyivAW BirAw hY[ swfy ipAwr vyKidAW hoieAW aunHW ny ifaUtI auprMq AwpxI koTI hI bulw ilAw[rsmI swihb-slwm ip`CoN AsIN aunHW nwl aunHW dy jIvn bwry g`lW krn l`g pey[ pwTkW vwsqy pyS hY aunHW nwl hoeI g`lbwq dw ieMtrivaU rUp:suAwl: sR: b^wqvr isMG jI kI qusIN AwpxI Aqy Awpxy pirvwr dI ijMdgI bwry cwnxw pwvogy ?
jvwb: myrw jnm imqI 11-06-1961 ipMf vfwlw ûrd,qihsIl bwbw bkwlw,izlHw AMimRqsr iv`c sR: imlKw isMG dy gRih ivKy mwqw pRIqm kOr jI dI ku`KoN hoieAw[ myrIAW iqMn BYxw hn Aqy AsIN cwr Brw hW[ mYN aunHW 'coN sB qoN v`fw hW[ suAwl: qusIN AwpxI ividAk Xogqw bwry vI d`so ik qusIN kdoN kdoN Aqy ik`QoN ik`QoN ivìdAw pRwpq kIqI hY ? jvwb: mYN AwpxI mu`FlI ivìdAw Awpxy ipMf vfwlw Kurd dy skUl qoN pRwpq kIqI hY Aqy dsvIN jmwq ijs au~c ividAw dI pOVI dw pihlw fMfw ikhw jWdw hY auh vI ipMf dy skUl qoN hI pws kIqI hY[ ipMf dw ieh skUl ijhVw ik dohW ipMfW vfwlw ûrd Aqy vfwlw klW dy ivckwr bixAw hoieAw hY Aqy dohW ipMfW dw sWJw skUl vI hY Ap gRyf ho ky hweI skUl bx igAw sI[ pihlW ieh skUl pMjvIN jmwq q`k hI sI Aqy CyvIN jmwq iv`c dwKl hox leI mY suDwr ipMf dy skUl iv`c dwKl hoxw ipAw sI ijhVw ik swfy ipMf qoN pMj-Cy iklo mItr dI dUrI qy vwikAw hY[ ipMf dw skUl A`p gRyf ho jwx auprMq AsIN muV Awpxy ipMf dy skUl iv`c hI Aw gey sW[ ieh skUl ATvIN jmwq q`k Ajy A`p gRyf nhIN sI hoieAw ijs krky ATvIN jmwq krn leI mY iPr reIAw skUl iv`c dwKlw lYxw ipAw sI ijhVw swfy ipMf qoN iqMn iklo mItr dUr hY[ iesy dOrwn ipMf dw skUl dsvIN q`k A`p gRyf ho igAw sI Aqy AsIN iPr Awpxy ipMf dy skUl iv`c hI Aw gey sW[ ies qrHW pVHweI Aqy skUlW nwl lukx mItI KyfidAW hoieAW AwiKr mYN Awpxy ipMf dy skUl qoN dsvIN jmwq pws kr leI[ ieh swfy vwsqy mwx dI g`l hY ik vfwlw klWvfwlw ûrd skUl qoN dsvIN jmwq dw inklx vwlw pihlw bYc Aswfw hI sI[ dsvIN jmwq pws kr lYx auprMq A`goN pVHweI krn leI iPr smìsAw Awx KloqI sI[ hwie sYkMfrI krn leI nyVy-qyVy koeI skUl nhIN sI[ mihqw cONk ijhVw ik swfy ipMf qoN igAwrW ku iklo mItr dI dUrI qy hY,au~Qy igAwrHvIN jmwq iv`c dwKlw lYxw pY igAw sI[ mihqw cONk qoN hwier sYkMfrI pws kr lYx ip`CoN au~c ividAw leI mYN gOrimMt kwlj siTAwlw ijhVw ik bwbw bkwlw nyVy hY bI.ey. pwrt-I iv`c dwKl ho igAw sW[ mYN AwpxI grYzUeySn sMn 1983 iv`c siTAwlw kwlj qoN kIqI hY[ mYN ies g`l dw vI lukwA vI nhIN r`Kxw cwhuMdw ik aus smyN Gr dI AwriQk hwlq koeI izAwdw cMgI nhIN sI ijs krky GridAW v`loN A`gy pVHn qoN ie`k qrHW nwl juAwb hI iml igAw sI[ suAwl: kI qusIN Gr dI qMgI-qurSI A`gy hiQAwr su`t id`qy sn jW AwpxI pVHweI jwrI r`Kx vwsqy koeI rwh l`B ilAw sI? jvwb: 'ij`Qy cwh au~Qy rwh' vwlI g`l sI[ idl iv`c pVHn dI m`s hr vyly mcldI rihMdI sI[ mYN izMdgI A`gy qorn leI iksy nOkrI vwsqy h`Q pYr mwrny AwrMB id`qy sn[ mY sB qoN pihlW ijhVI nOkrI imlI sI auh vI is&wrS nwl hI imlI sI[ is&wrS krn vwly ny mwrkIt kmytI iv`c mY bqOr Auction Recorder BrqI krn leI is&wrS kIqI sI pr mY mMfI iv`c ijns lY ky Awaux vwly ikrswnW ipAwE qy pwxI ipAwaux vwsqy rìKAw igAw sI ijhVI ik AwrzI Aqy iqMn mhIinAW vwsqy sIznl huMdI hY[ ieh nOkrI kridAW hoieAW mY mn iv`c hr vyly socdw rihMdw huMdw sW ik ies qrHW qW g`fI isry nhIN l`gxI[ koeI qkVw hMBlw mwrnw paU[ ies nOkrI dw smW pUrw hox auprMq mYN Awpxy nwnky ipMf 'v`lw' ijhVw ik AMimRqsr Sihr dy nyVy hI hY clw igAw Aqy imhnq mzdUrI krn dy nwl nwl AYm. ey. dI pVHweI vI krn l`g ipAw sW[ sMn 1987 iv`c mYN stwP sIlYkSn kimSn dw pypr id`qw sI ijs iv`c kwmXwbI imlx qy mY nOkrI iml geI sI[ suAwl: quhwfy jIvn bwry crcw kridAW qusW ies g`l svIkwr kIqw hY ik quhwfw mu`Flw jIvn sMGrSmeI Aqy AwriQk qMgI-qurSI BrpUr sI[ ieh jIvn hMFwauNidAW hoieAW quhwfy mn AMdr ikho ijhIAW soc-DwrwvW AwieAw krdIAW sn? jrw ies bwry vI d`so?
jvwb: ies iv`c koeI dUjI rwie nhIN ik qMgI-qurSI iv`coN lMGidAW hoieAW ienswn Awpxy Awly-duAwly Gu`p hnyrw mihsUs krdw hY[ s`c hY hnyry iv`c Awpxw pRCwvW vI swQ C`f jWdw hY[ pr ies g`l qoN vI ienkwr nhIN kIqw jw skdw ik hnyry iv`c hI Aws dI ikrn lukI hoeI huMdI hY ijhVI hnyry dI ih`k cIr ky pRkwS ibKyrdI hY[ loV huMdI hY isrV Aqy svY-ivSvws dw p`lw pkVn dI[ jykr qusIN mMizl v`l qurogy hI nhIN qW mMizl 'qy phuMcogy ikvyN? mY Xwd hY jdoN mYN siTAwly kwlj iv`c pVHdw huMdw sI qW noits borf qy ie`k noits l`gw hoieAw sI "PrI tryinMg ieMnstIicaUSn"[ gurU nwnk dyv XUnIvristI iv`c 'isvl srivsz' dy iemiqhwn dI iqAwrI leI PrI tryinMg id`qI jw rhI sI[ mY qW ies iemiqhwn bwry izAwdw pqw nhIN sI pr eynW ku pqw sI ik swfw ieMgilS dw ie`k lYkcrwr AweI.ey.AYs. dw iemiqhwn idAw krdw sI pr bdiksmqI nwl auh hr vyrW pws hox qoN rih jwieAw krdw sI[ myry AMdr vI ies iemiqhwn pws krn dI soc ie`k ikrn bx ky jwgI sI pr myry vwsqy ies kr pwauxw eynw hI AOKw sI ijMnW iksy dldl iv`coN inklxw AOKw huMdw hY[ audoN hI myry mn iv`c ieh soc jwgI sI ik ies ijlHx 'coN inklx vwsqy koeI v`fw hMBlw mwrnw hI pvygw Aqy auh hMBlw ies g`l dI mMg krdw sI ik mYN iksy AijhI jgw clw jwvW ij`Qy mYN AwriQk swDn pYdw vI kr skW Aqy nwl nwl pVHweI vI kr skW[ ipMf iv`c rih ky AijhI pRwpqI sMBv nhIN sI[ ikauNik ipMfW iv`c auh swDn nhIN jutwey jw skdy ijhVy ies mMizl q`k lY jwx leI kwPI hox[ jykr qusW kuJ pwauxw hY qW aus vwsqy quhw kuJ iqAwgxw vI pvygw[ mYN Awpxy ipMf dw moh C`f ky nwnky ipMf Aw ies mYdwn iv`c ku`d ipAw sW[iesy cwhq dw isr sdkw hI mYN AYm.ey.pRweIvyt qOr qy gurU nwnk dyv XUnIvristI AMimRqsr qoN kIqI hY[ suAwl: bySk grIbI iC`pI hoeI inhmq khI jWdI hY,iPr vI ies iv`coN guzrnw vI nMgI qlvwr 'qy qurn nwloN G`t nhIN huMdw[ ij`QoN q`k myrI jwxkwrI hY jdoN qusIN AwriQk qMgI iv`c kwlj pVHdy huMdy sI qW grIbI dI qRwsdI bwry nwtk vI KyifAw krdy sI[ jrw ies bwry vI d`so? jvwb: ijs smyN mYN kwlj iv`c pVHdw huMdw sI qW kwljW iv`c ie`k iksm dI ivcwrDwrw pRbl sI, ijs pROgrYisv Dwrw kihMdy hn[ ijs ip`Cy mwrksvwdI ivcwrDwrw kMm krdI sI[ ieh soc kwlj dy lVikAW dy mnW iv`c Gr kr cu`kI sI[ aus smyN s. gurSrn isMG jI Aqy swfy ielwky dy s. hMsw isMG jI AijhI soc qy ADwirq nwtk KyifAw krdy sn[ myrw vI aunHW nwl rwbqw kwiem ho igAw[ mYN vI nwtkW iv`c ih`sw lYx l`g ipAw sW[ mY Xwd hY AsW iek nwtk kwlw APgwnw kwlj iv`c KyifAw sI[ swfy kwlj v`loN do tImW geIAW sn[ ie`k tIm qW kwlj v`loN ByjI geI jdoN ik swfI tIm AYn,AYs.AYs v`loN geI sI,ijs kwlj v`loN koeI sihXog nhIN sI imilAw[ AsIN ijhVw nwtk KyifAw sI aus dw nW sI "ieh lhU iks dw hY?" ieh nwtk s. guridAwl isMG jI dw iliKAw hoieAw hY[ nwtk iv`c swfI AdwkwrI hI eynIN vDIAw rhI sI ik XUnIvristI p`Dr dw pihlw ienwm swfI JolI ipAw sI[ ies nwtk iv`c vI grIbI dI hI Jlk sI ijhVI Swied myrI soc dI hI qrzmwnI krdI sI[ suAwl: clo,hux AwpW bcpn iv`coN inkl quhwfI jvwnI dw pRsMg CoNhdy hW[ kI qusIN Awpxy ivAwhuqw jIvn bwry vI crcw krnw psMd krogy? jvwb: hW[ ikauN nhIN? ivAwhuqw jIvn bMdy dy jIvn dw bVw hI Aihm moV huMdw hY[ bMdy dy jIvn dIAW loVW Aqy socW iv`c bdlwE Aw jWdw hY[ mYN Awpxy ivAwhuqw jIvn bhuq hI sMzIdgI nwl ilAw hY[ myrI soc sI ik mYN jdoN q`k Awpxy pYrW 'qy KVw nhIN ho jWdw,ies kwibl nhIN ho jWdw ik ivAwhuqw jIvn dI izmyNvwrI inBw skW,SwdI nhIN krWgw[ ikauNik mYN pROgrYisv(AgWh vDU) soc dw DwrnI sW,smJdw sW ik SwdI krvw ky
b`cy pYdw krnw hI qW SwdI nhIN huMdI[ ies jIvn dIAW AwpxI iksm dIAW izMmyNvwrIAW vI hn[ sMn 1987 iv`c, ijvyN ik mYN pihlW vI dìsAw hY,mY 'AwfItr' dI nOkrI iml geI sI[ aus smyN hI myrI pqnI gurU nwnk dyv XUnIvristI AMimRqsr iv`c AYm.ey. dI ividAwrQx sI[ auh vI swfy hI ielwky reIAw qoN sI[ auh pirvwr vI grIb pirvwr sI[ pVHweI dOrwn aus ny idlo-zwn nwl eynIN imhnq kIqI ik auh reIAw qoN rozwnw XUnIvristI pVHn jwieAw krdI sI[ aus dI imhnq bUr ipAw sI Aqy aus ny XUnIvristI 'coN tOp kIqw Aqy AYm.ey. iv`c golf mYfl hwsl kIqw[ aus dy AYm.ey. 'c pVHidAw hI swfI SwdI ho geI sI[AYm.ey dw nqIjw Awaux qoN pihlW hI myrI pqnI ny U.G.C dw tYst vI pws kr ilAw sI[ s`c khW,mY Aijhy hI pRiqBwvwn jIvn swQx dI loV sI Aqy mYN aus pw ky ûS hI nhIN jIvn iv`c sMquSt vI hW[ ies vyly myrI pqnI gOrimMt kwlj AMimRqsr iv`c bqOr AYsosIeyt pRoPYsr syvw inBw rhI hY[ mY ieh d`sidAW &Kr mihsUs huMdw hY ik myry shurw swihb s. lwl isMG jI ijhVy reIAw mMfI iv`c mzdUrI krdy huMdy sn ny ApxIAW cwrW bytIAW Aqy byty au~c ivìdAw idvwaux dI koiSS kIqI sI[ suAwl: qusIN A`j k`lH ijs Ahudy 'qy ho,myrw Bwv hY qusIN bqOr au~p mMfl mYijstryt(S.D.M) ho[ quhwfw ieh ^yqr ie`k srkwrI AiDkwrI vwlw hY[ mYN jwxdw hW quhwfy AMdr ie`k kvI vI hY Aqy qusIN kivqw vI ilKdy ho auh vI sUPI rMg iv`c r`qI hoeI[ mYN jwxnw cwhuMdw hW ik ieh cytk quhw ikMJ l`gI? jvwb: ieh g`l mYN quhwfy nwl pihlW vI sWJI kIqI hY ik jdoN mYN kwlj iv`c pVHd w huMdw sW qW swihqk gqIiv`DIAW nwl juiVAw hoieAw sW[ AgWh vDU soc dw hox krky kuJ nw kuJ ilK leIdw sI[ pr kivqw(QoVHw cu`p rih ky) ijhVI ik mYN A`j k`lH ilKdw hW,ies dw ruJwn qW ie`k ikRSmw hI sI[ myrI ikqwb "pwr JnW qoN aus dw fyrw" ijhVI ik lok Arpn vI ho cu`kI hY aus dI rcnw vI ie`k ikRSmw hI vwpirAw l`gdw hY[ mYN jdoN bqOr au~p mMfl mYijstryt(S.D.M) bwGw purwxw ivKy inXukq sW qW myrw myl myry muriSd nwl ho igAw sI[ aunHW koloN mYN bkwiedw svY-pihcwx jW svY-mMQn(Self realization) dI qwlIm leI[ muriSd dw sMg krn qy myrw AMdr vI rMigAw igAw Aqy myry AMdr dw drd,AMdr dw srUr,AMdr dw vzd vih quirAw sI[ auh AwnMd kivqw dw rUp Dwr ky kwZj dI ih`k 'qy au~qrnw SurU ho igAw sI[ jy mYN ies ies qrHW khW qW Swied izAwdw TIk hovygw ik hOlI hOlI myry AMdroN ie`k Kws iksm dw Jrnw Pu`txw SurU ho igAw sI[ Eh Jrnw,Eh ^ws iksm dI Awvwz,Eh ^ws iksm dI joq myry AMdr jgxI SurU ho geI qW aus ny kivqw dw rUp Dwr ilAw sI[ Eh ijhVI joq hY, Awvwz hY,ijhVw Jrnw hY, myrIAW kivqwvW aus dw mwiDAm hn[ jdoN mOz iv`c hoeIdY,msqI iv` c hoeIdY,audoN cwr A`Kr aukry jWdy hn[ suAwl: quhwfI izMdgI srkwrI ruJyivAW BrpUr hY[ kivqw dw mn iv`c au~qr Awaux dw koeI vylw nhIN huMdw, kdoN au~qr Awvy[ jdoN kdy qusIN AwpxI kort iv`c swhmxy Kloqy iksy ivAkqI dw kys sux rhy huMdy ho,qdoN jykr quhwfy AMdr kivqw dw sYlwb Aw jwvy qW qusIN dohW ikirAwvW ikvyN smytdy ho? juAwb: ijvyN mYN dìsAw hY ik muriSd dI hwzrI iv`c,muriSd dI C`qr-CwieAw iv`c bMdw is`Kdw hY ik quhwfw bwhr dw srIr kI hY Aqy AMdr dw srIr kI hY? mn kI hY? Awqmw kI cIz hY? prmwqmw kI hY? jykr isKWdrU muriSd dI Cqr-CwieAw iv`c is`K lYNdw hY qW auh iehnW sBnW Al`g-Al`g krky vyK lYNdw hY[ jdoN kursI 'qy bYiTAW jW srIrk p`Dr 'qy ivcridAW koeI AYsI Gtnw swhmxy AwauNdI hY qW AMdrly mn , AMdrly mnu`K jgw leIdY[ auh snmu`K ho Awpxw kMm krn l`gdw hY Aqy bwhrlw srIr nwl nwl Awpxw kMm krI jWdw hY[ mYN AMdrly Aqy bwhrly kdy rlg`f(confuse) nhIN hox idMdw jW ieMJ kih lvo: "h`Q kwr v`l kMn (idl) Xwr v`l["
bwhrlw bwhrlw kMm kr irhw huMdw hY Aqy bwhrly lokW vWg hI ivcr irhw huMdw hY[ ijs qrHW dI APsrW dI CvI huMdI hY auh ausy qrHW kMm kr irhw pRqIq huMdw hY[ pr jdoN AMdrlw jwgdw hY qW auhdy nwl sMvwd huMdw hY,auh Awpxw kMm krnw AwrMB kr idMdw hY[ myrI ijhVI kivqw hY auh ijhVw AMdr bYTw hY mnu`K, mYN qW aus mnu`K nhIN kihMdw sgoN prmwqmw kihMdw hW dI hI qrzmwnI krdI hY[ auh jdoN vzd iv`c huMdw hY, AwpxI mOz iv`c huMdw hY qW mn inrdyS idMdw hY[ ies qrHW nwl kivqw BwSw Aqy iPr A`Kr bx ikqwbI rUp iv`c lokW dy swhmxy Aw jWdI hY[ suAwl: quhwfy ilKx dy AMdwz qoN quhwfI ilKq dw JukwA sU&Ivwd v`l jwpdw hY[ quhwfI kivqw iv`c sU&I rMg vyKx imldw hY[ sUPImq dw rs ijhVw ienswn pI lYNdw hY auh sMswirk rIqI-irvwzW qoN inSMg ho jWdw hY[ auh dunIAW dI pRvwh kIqy bgYr hI vzd iv`c Aw ky msqI iv`c JUMm au~Tdw hY,n`cdw hY,t`pdw hY[ jdoN kdy quhwfy AMdr AijhI siQqI bxdI hY qW quhwfI mnodSw ikho ijhy rMg iv`c rMgI huMdI hY? jrw ivsQwr nwl d`so? juAwb: Sbd 'vwd' jW 'iezm' ijhVy AsIN vrqdy hW bMdy dy hI bxwey hoey ny[ "sU&I" dy mYN jo ArQ smJdw hW, aus qoN myrw Bwv hY: 'Su`D' jW 'swP'[ jdoN ies Su`D kih leIey,^wils kih leIey auh sU&I hY[ n`cxw ie`k pRivrqI hY[ hr hwl iv`c KuS rihxw sU&I dI pRivrqI hY[ ^wils bMdy dI pRivrqI hY[ kudrq(Nature) dI pRivrqI hY ik jdoN qusIN KuS ho qW n`co[ gwaux idl krdw hY qW gwE[ jy quhwfw rox idl krdw hY qW rovo[ ieh ie`k Su`D pRivrqI dI Alwmq hY[ 'sU&Iiezm' ijs AsIN 'sU&Ivwd' kih idMdy hW pr ies iv`c koeI ivvwd nhIN hY[ ieh prmwqmw vrgw Su`D (Pure) hY sgoN ieh hI prmwqmw hY[ vrgw nhIN hY, ieh hI prmwqmw hY[ (It is not like God. It is God) jdoN Su`Dqw (Purity) iv`c srIr jW Awqmw pRvyS krdI hY qW mYN n`cW,gwvW,rovW jW h`sW sB TIk hY[ audoN mYN nhIN huMdw[ audoN kuJ hor hI huMdw hY[ suAwl: quhwfI ilKI hoeI pusqk "pwr JnW 'qoN aus dw fyrw" mY pVHn dw mOkw imilAw hY Aqy ies iv`c drz quhwfIAW ZzlW 'qy ADwirq "lIzYf rIkwrfz suswietI AMimRqsr" v`loN qrn qwrn Sihr iv`c rcwey gey do pRogrwmW "qwlw qum"(Talatum-the inner agitation) Aqy "mzils" ijnHW iv`c XwkUb Kwn,swiedw byZm,sulqwnw nUrW Aqy jXoqI nUrW ny quhwfIAW rcnwvW AwpxI surIlI Aqy dmdwr Awvwz id`qI hY,suxn Aqy vyKx dw mOkw imilAw hY[ mYN jwxnw cwhuMdw hW ik Aijhw krky quhw ikMnW ku AMdrUnI skUn imilAw hY? juAwb: ikirAw krnw,krm krnw ieh quhwfy srIr dI,quhwfy mn dI Kyf hYgI Aw[ myry mn ny mY AwdyS id`qw ik mY ies idSw v`l krm krny cwhIdy hn[ ij`QoN q`k sMquStI dw suAwl hY,auh jo ies vyly myry AMdr KLbLI mcweI iPrdw ey, jo mY myry AMdr skUn dy irhw hY,auh myrw iek`ly dw nhIN hY sgoN auh sB dw hY[ mY ies g`l dw XkIn hI nhIN pUrn ivSvws hY ik auh swirAw iv`c hY[ myrw ienHW ikirAwvW(Activity) dw eynW hI mksd hY ik lokW sMgIq rwhIN,kivqw rwhIN dìsAw jw sky ik sMgIq prmwqmw dy bhuq nyVy hY[ mYN qW kdI kdI kihMdw huMdw hW ik sMgIq(Music) hI prmwqmw hY[ ies mwiDAm rwhIN d`sx dI koiSS kIqI geI hY ik bMdy dIAW Bu`KW kdy vI puUrIAW nhIN hoo skdIAW,ijMnw icr srIr kwiem hY[ jy srIr dIAw Bu`KW pUrIAW ho vI jwx qW vI bMdw ^wlI rihMdw hY,ADUrw rihMdw hY[ ijMnW icr Awqmw dI Bu`K pUrI nhIN huMdI,iqRpq nhIN huMdI bMdw swbq-sUrq nhIN ho skdw[ ies leI Awqmw dI Bu`K jgwaux leI,(keIAW dI jwgdI vI qW nhIN) iPr aus dI iqRpqI dy swDn lokW q`k phuMcwaux leI mYN ijMny ku Xqn "lIzYNf rIkwrfz suswietI" rwhIN krdw rihMdw hW,ijs dw mksd eI ieh hY, aus nwl sMquSt hW, pUrw sMquSt hW[ suAwl: g`l kridAW qusW huxy hI Awqmw dI Bu`K dI g`l kIqI hY jdoN ik gIqw igAwn iv`c Arjn igAwn kridAW hoieAW SRI ikRSn Bgvwn ny ikhw sI," Awqmw A`g
swV nhIN skdI,hvw sukw nhIN skdI Aqy pwxI gwl nhIN skdw[" iPr Awqmw dy AiqRpq hox dw suAwl pYdw ikvyN ho igAw? juAwb: Awqmw dI ijhVI AiqRpqI dI g`l hY aus iv`c qusIN Awqmw Aqy prmwqmw v`K nhIN kr skdy[ ikRSn jI mhwrwj ny ijhVI vI g`l kIqI hY bhuq au~prly ql 'qy KVH ky kIqI hY[ mYN aunHW dI g`l iv`c bhuqI koeI it`[xI nhIN krdw[ Awqmw srIr iv`c hI ho skdI hY,iek`lI Awqmw dw koeI vzUd nhIN[ ijMnw icr Awqmw sMquSt nhIN hY,quhwfw srIr vI qlo-m`CI huMdw rhygw[ Awqmw dI iqRpqI/sMquStI prmwqmw iv`c AByd hox nwl hoxI hY[mn khygw kuJ KwlI hY,Xwr! suAwl: qusIN AwpxIAW rcnwvW iv`c aupnwm 'mIAW' Sbd dI vrqoN krdy ho[ ies ip`Cy kI koeI rwz hY? juAwb: mYN ieh g`l swP kr dyvW ik ieh myrw Awp rìKAw hoieAw q^`ls nhIN hY[ mYN ieh aupnwm Awp nhIN rìKAw[ znwb brkq is`DU, ijhVy bVy au~c kotI dy sU&I gwiek hn, mYN aunHW suxdw huMdw sI[ audoN mYN Awp nhIN sW ilKdw huMdw[ jdoN myrw aunHW nwl imlwp hoieAw qW myry AMdroN vI kuJ bwhr Awaux leI mclx l`g ipAw sI[ mYN kuJ nzmW ilK ky jdoN aunHW idKweIAW qW auh pVH ky J`t bol pey sn,"vwh mIAW!vwh!" ieh aupnwm znwb brkq is`DU jI dw hI id`qw hoieAw hY[ audoN qoN hI ieh q^`ls myry nW nwl juV igAw hY[ suAwl: quhwfw ilKx dw JukwA izAwdw AiDAwqimk Aqy sU&I rcwnwvW v`l hI vyKx imldw hY jdoN ik swfy Awly-duAwly hor bhuq swrIAW smìsAwvW Aqy ivSy ijvyN ik mwdw BrUx hìqAw,dwj,nSw Awid hn[ qusIN AwpxI klm ienHW iviSAW v`l vI ikauN nhIN moVdy? kI Ajoky smyN iv`c ilKy jwx vwly l`cr gIqW bwry vI crcw krogy? juAwb: ienHW smwijk burweIAW/kurIqIAW bwry myrw mMnxw hY ik bhuq kuJ iliKAw jw cu`kw hY jW iliKAw jw irhw hY[ ies iv`c koeI do rwvW nhIN hn[ mwdw BrUx hìqAw dyS dI bhuq hI Aihm smìsAw bxI hoeI hY[ niSAW bwry,dwj bwry,AijhIAW smìsAwvW bwry bhuq kuJ iliKAw jw irhw hY[ mYN iehnW bwry ikauN nhIN ilKdw? mYN v`fy v`fy lyKkW vI piVHAw hY, auh smìsAwvW bwry ilKdy hn[ auh smìsAw lokW iv`c auBwrdy hn pr aus dy smwDwn v`l ricq nhIN hn[ smìsAwvW dw smwDwn aunHW dIAW ilKqW iv`coN mnPI hY[ myrI soc hY ik AiDAwqm jW sU&I jIvn jwc iv`c swrIAW smìsAwvW dw smwDwn ipAw hoieAw hY[ nSy dI g`l hI lY lvo[ mYN nSy dI g`l krdw hW qW kihMdw hW:- ( kuJ pl ruk ky) " mYN Awvwz hW, AwkwS hW,jW qyrI A`K dw nUr hW? qUM rsBrI hYN sohixAw, mYN hlkw ijhw srUr hW[" (vwh! vwh! ikAw bwq hY[myry mUMhoN Awp muhwry hI inkl igAw sI) jdoN mYN ieh ilKdw hW qW aus nSy dI g`l nhIN kr irhw huMdw ijhVw nSw lok pINdy hn sgoN aus nSy dI g`l kr irhw huMdw hW, ijhVw nw qW au~qrdw hY Aqy nw hI hYNgEvr (Hang over) huMdw hY[ ies pIx auprMq dUsirAW niSAW dI loV hI nhIN rihMdI[ auh nSy ies dy brwbr nhIN ho skdy[ svwd vI ies nSy dw dUsirAW qoN vDIAw Awvygw Aqy itkwaU vI hovygw[ ieh nSw tu`tygw vI nhIN[ mslw ieh hY ik lok nSw pINdy qW hn pr ijhVw nSw constructive way of life pRdwn krdw hY auh nSw pIx, ijs nwl quhwfw mn Aqy qn iKiVAw rhy[ ieh nSw pIx nwl quhwfy 'qy koeI qohmq vI nhIN l`gygI[ jdoN koeI ies qrHW dw jIvn jIaUx l`gdw hY qW smìsAw koeI rihMdI eI nhIN[ swrIAW smìsAwvW Awpxy Awp hI gloN lih jWdIAW hn[ zrw smJ lvo ik AwiKr ieh ikhVw Aijhw nSw hY? ieh nSw hY nwm dI ûmwrI dw ijs bwry bwbw nwnk jI ny vI ikhw sI, posq BMg APIm md, auqir jwiq prBwiq] nwmu KumwrI nwnkw cVI rhy idn rwq]
ij`QoN q`k l`cr gIqW dw suAwl hY,nSw hI AijhI pRivrqI pYdw krdw hY Aqy AihMsw dw jnm dwqw vI nSw hI hY[ ijhVIAW kumrSl kMpnIAW jW pYsw pRwpqI dI luBk r`Kx vwly lok hn aunHW qW pYsw cwhIdY[ auh lokW auho ijhw mYtIrIAl hI prosxgy ijs qoN aunHW pYsw Awvygw[ aunHW ies g`l nwl koeI srokwr nhIN ik smwj dw kI hwl hovygw Aqy ies dw ik`QoN q`k inGwr ho jwxw hY[ mYN dwAvy nwl kih skdw hW ik lok ijhVw suAwd l`cr gIqW 'coN Bwldy hn aus qoN vI vDIAw suAwd swP-suQry ZIqW 'coN iml skdw hY[ qrwsdI ies g`l dI hY ik AsIN lokW cMgy ZIq dy hI nhIN rhy[ lok qW ipAwsy bYTy hn[ myrw ieh dwAvw hY ik ie`k pwsy pUrn cMd vfwlI bYTw idau,dUsry pwsy (mYN iksy dw nW nhIN lYNdw) iksy l`cr ZIq gwaux vwly bYTw idau[ dohW 'coN iksy ie`k suxn dI cox lokW 'qy C`f idau[ vyK lYxw pUrn cMd vfwlI vwly pwsy suxn vwilAW dI igxqI izAwdw hovygI,ij`Qy ie`k(pRmwqmw) dI g`l c`l rhI hovygI,aus nSy dI g`l c`l rhI hovygI ijhVw hmySW(ever lasting) rihMdw hY[ A`j dy ijhVy lyKk,gwiek jW imaUizk kMpnIAW vwly hn, auh rwqo-rwq AmIr bxn dI dOV iv`c l`gy hoey hn[ auh ies g`l qoN vI mUMh moVI bYTy hn ik swihq hI smwj dw drpn huMdw hY[ ies ny hI smwj syD dyxI hY[ pr ieh qW AwpxIAW rotIAW sykx iv`c hI l`gy hoey hn[ suAwl: quhwfIAW ilKqW iv`c ieh vyKx imldw hY ik ie`k sU&I Awpxy mwilk, muriSd jW prmwqmw inhory mwrdw, igly-iSkvy krdw jW aulwHmy idMdw AnuBv huMdw hY[ Aijhw ikauN? juAwb: g`l ieh hY[ myrw sohxw,myrw mihbUb, myrw AwiSk,hr vyly myry swhvyN rihMdw hY[ vMgwrnw,JyfW krnIAW,igly-iSkvy krny,rùsxw-mMnxw,lwf lfwauxy,JgVnw ieh swrIAW KyfW pRym dIAW hn[ au~prlI p`Dr 'qy ipAwr dIAW hn[ ieh swry ausy dy hI rMg hn[ kdI kdI jdoN msqI AwauNdI hY qW l`gdw hY jdoN kdI sU&I ibRhw dy Awlm iv`c huMdw hY qW ilKdw hY: "nINd au~f geI jdoN dw igEN C`f vy! pwsy v`t v`t du`Kdy ny h`f vy!" jW "bhuVIN bhuVIN vy qbIbw mYNFI izMd geI Aw[" iPr kihxw pYNdw hY- myrw ipAwrw hY Eh[aus nw khWgy qW iPr iks khWgy? d`so? sweIN sulqwn bwhU ny vI qW iliKAw hY: "mYN iv`c AYb gunwh nw huMdy,qUM b^SyNdw kyh?" mYN quhw l&jW nwl ikvyN ibAwn krW ik auhdy nwl ijhVI pIfI gMF peI hoeI Aw[ iPr aus nwl ij`dW mrjI kro[ nw auh ru`sdw hY nw auh mMndw hY[ nw AsIN ru`sdy hW nw AsIN mMndy AW[ pqw nhIN eyh Kyf ikho ijhI Aw[ ieh myrI smJoN bwhr hY[ ies l&jW nwl ibAwn nhIN kIqw jw skdw[ suAwl: quhwfI pusqk 'pwr JnW qoN aus dw fyrw' ny kwPI Sohrq K`tI hY[ jwxnw cwhvWgw ik ieh kwrvW Ajy jwrI hY jW ie`Qy hI brykW lw id`qIAW hn? juAwb: vyKo jI, brykW l`g jwxIAW jW KVoq Aw jwxI qW mOq dw dUsrw nwm hY[ sU&I Aqy kvI kdy vI nhIN mrdy[ jykr shI ArQW iv`c kvI hox qW auh nhIN mrdy[ aunHW iv`c KVoq vI nhIN Aw skdI[ Awid scu jugwid scu] hY BI scu nwnk hosI BI scu]] ieh kwrvW ijhVw c`l irhw hY,pihlW vI c`ldw sI,hux vI c`l irhw hY Aqy A`goN vI c`ldw rhygw[ AsIN ijs cIz ibAwn kr rhy hW, ijs dI hoNd inrMqr (Continuity) bxI hoeI hY, swfy mrn qoN bwAd vI rihxI hY[ auh(prmwqmw) ijs dy Awid,m`D Aqy AMq
dw koeI pqw nhIN[ aus dw koeI iknwrw nhIN[ GtnwvW qW ies smuMdr iv`c au~Tx vwlIAW C`lW hn[ mYN ie`k QW iliKAw sI: "g`lW qW g`lW ny g`lW dw kI ey[ smuMdr hkIkq ey C`lW dw kI ey[" ieh C`lW qW au~TdIAW eI rihxIAW ny,smuMdr qW Swq bYTw hY[ mYN smJdw hW Jrnw ie`k vwr jdoN Pu`t pYNdw hY qW aus dw Cyk kdy vI BIVw nhIN huMdw[ auh inrMqr vihMdw rihMdw hY[ iesy qrHW swfw cìlAw hoieAw kwrvW kdy vI nhIN rukygw, inrMqr c`ldw rhygw[ suAwl: kI quhwfI klm iksy ikrqI kwmy dy drd,ho rhI lu`t- Ksu`t,Koh-iKMJ Aqy nw brwbrI leI vI c`ldI hY? juAwb: 'qnz' sU&I dw gihxw hY[(qnz qoN quhwfw kI Bwv hY?) qnz qoN Bwv hY iksy cIz qy ktw^S krnw/ivAMg krnw[ jdoN mYN pRmwqmw dy snmuK huMdw hw jW mYN Awpxy Awp nwl sMvwd rcwauNdw hW jW iek`lw bYT ky Awpxy Awp nwl g`lW krdw hW jW srIrk p`Dr 'qy smwj iv`c nw brwbrI vyKdw hW qW mY jo mihsUs huMdw hY aus bwry kihMdw hW Awh kI 'qy auh kI? ie`k grIb ikauN,dUsrw AmIr ikauN? myrw ie`k ZIq hY: 'A`lHw, A`lHw, suBwn A`lHw', aus iv`c mYN ikhw hY, "hr Adwlq qyrI,hr isAwsq qyrI[ iPr cMgy 'qy mwVy dw mslw hY ikAw?" ieh qnz hY[ ivAMg hY[ jdoN mYN ikrqI jW d`by-kucly lokW dI g`l krdw hW qW aunHW iv`c mY auh hI nzr AwauNdw hY[ iPr mYN suAwl krdw hW 'ieh vI qUM hYN,auh vI qUM hYN' iPr Byd qW d`s, mwmlw kI hY? iPr auhdy Byd jwnx lìgAW kwi&r vwlI g`l ho jWdI hY[ lokIN iPr sw kwi&r qW kihxgy hI[(myrI soc BweI vIr isMG jI dIAW aunHW sqrW v`l inkl geI sI ijs iv`c aunHW ikhw sI, "r`b ie`k guMJldwr buJwrq r`b ie`k gorK-DMdw[ KolHx lìgAW pyc eys dy, kw&r ho jwey bMdw[ kw&r hoxo fr ky jIvIN, ôjoN mUl nw KuMJIN[ lweIl`g momn dy koloN, ôjI kw&r cMgw") suAwl: AsIN jwxnw cwhvWgy ik Ajoky smwj dw ic`qr quhwfy mn iv`c ikho ijhw hY[ jykr qusW AwpxI soc dw smwj isrjxw hovy qW ikho ijhw smwj isrjx dI AiBlwSw r`Kdy ho? juAwb: ie`k lwien iv`c hI mYN ies dw juAwb dy dyvWgw "byZmpurw Sihr kw nwauN"[ mYN ies smwj vwsqy aus pRvrdZwr A`gy bynqI hI kr skdw hW[ mYN koeI icqyrw nhIN hW mYN koeI creator nhIN hW[ A`lHw pRvrdZwr A`gy bynqI hI krdy rhIdw hY ik hy! pRvrdZwr ies 'byZmpurw' bxw dy, ij`Qy koeI Zm nw hovy[ ieh hI myrw au~qr hY "byZmpurw Sihr kw nwauN"[ suAwl: hr ienswn Awpxy jIvn iv`c nvIAW pYVW ip`Cy C`f ky jwx dI koiSS krdw hY[ kuJ lok qW pihlIAW peIAW pYVW iv`c hI guAwc jWdy hn jdoN ik kuJ lok Aijhy vI huMdy hn ijhVy nvIAW pYVW pw ky nvIAW syDW dy jWdy hn[ kI qusIN vI Awpxy jIvn iv`c kuJ Aijhw krnw soicAw Aqy loicAw hY? juAwb: 'nvW' ijhVw l&j hY nw mYN ies bwry spSt kr dyvW ik nvyN qoN bVw fr l`gdw hY jdoN ik purwxw ih&zq(security) idMdw hY[ isikaurtI C`f nvyN v`l jwx leI bVI ihMmq cwhIdI hY,bhuq hONslw cwhIdY[ pr nvW,nvW hI huMdw hY[ A`lHw pRvrdZwr dI bVI imhr Aw,myry muriSd dI myry 'qy ikRpw hY ik mYN hr pl smJdw hW[ Awaux vwlw hr kdm myry leI nvW rihMdw hY[ nvIAW pYVW nvIAW pYVW qw pihlW hI peIAW hoeIAW ny kyvl aunHW dI inSwndyhI krn dI hI loV hY[ mYN AwpxI izMdgI iv`c koiSS zruUr krWgw ik ijnHW qusIN nvIAW pYVW kihMdy ho aunHW dI inSwndyhI zrUr kr dyvW[
suAwl: ies qoN pihlW ik ies crcw AMiqm CohW dyvW, jWdw jWdw quhwfI ijMdgI dI aus Gtnw bwry jwxnw cwhvWgw, ijhVI A`j vI quhw Xwd Awaux 'qy qusIN AMdroN lrz jWdy ho? juAwb: mu..h`..b..q.."muh`bq"! muh`bq vwikAw hI A`lHw dw dUsrw nwm hY[ keI vyrW AsIN ies qrHW socdy hW ik AsIN dUsirAW bVw ipAwr krdy hW, bVw cwhuMdy hW pr sw aunHW koloN auho ijhw ipAwr nhIN imldw[ ieh glq hY[qusIN ipAwry hovo jW ie`k mwfl hovo[ qusIN ie`k kdm A`gy v`Do,lok sO kdm quhwfy v`l Awauxgy[ ies g`l sQwipq krn leI mYN quhw ie`k Gtnw d`sWgw[ ieh g`l sMn 2000 dI hY[ mYN bImwr ho igAw sW[ mYN AroVw hspqwl luiDAwxw iv`c dwKl sW[ myry h`Q pYr bwhvW l`gB`g sB kuJ dead (Kqm) ho igAw sI[ myrw isrP qy isrP swh hI c`l irhw sI[ bcx dI aumId qW koeI hY nhIN sI[ fwktr vI inrwS ho cu`ky sn[ aunHW ny Apolo hspqwl lY jwx dI slwh id`qI ijs qy mYN fwktr ikhw sI ik fwktr mYN Ajy mrn dw progrwm nhIN bxwieAw[ iesy dOrwn ie`k lyfI(AOrq) AweI[ audoN mYN jIrw ivKy AYs.fI.AYm l`gw hoieAw sW[ do swl pihlW aus AOrq dw ie`k kys myry kol c`ldw huMdw sI[ pqw nhIN AwpxI bu`DI Anuswr kMm kridAW kridAW aus dw kMm shI ho igAw hovy[ AsIN AwpxI bu`DI muqwbk hI qW kMm krdy hW[ aus ies g`l dw impression sI ik ie`k pwsy isAwsq KVHI hY, (srkwrI kMmW iv`c is&wrSW AwauNdIAW hI rihMdIAW hn) ie`k pwsy mYN grIbxI KVHI hW[ myrw kMm ik`QoN hoxw hY[ A`lHw mIAW dI rihmq hoeI hoxI Aw[ bu`DI au~Dr Jukw id`qw hoxY[[ auhdw kMm ho igAw mYN aus jwxdw vI nhIN sW[ auh myry kol luiDAwxy hspqwl iv`c AweI Aqy kihx l`gI A`j mYN quhwfy dPqr geI qW stwP koloN pqw cìlAw ik qusIN luiDAwxy hspqwl iv`c dwKl ho[ pihlW qw mYN aunHW dI g`l qy XkIn nhIN sI kIqw ik ieho ijhy bMdy vI bImwrI Aw skdI hY? mYN isrP qy isrP eyQy ieh vyKx AweI hW ik vwikAw hI qusIN bImwr ho gey ho[ aus smyN myrI pqnI myry kol hI bYTI hoeI sI[ mYN ikhw," mYN quhw pihcwixAw nhIN?" myrI pqnI dI irSqydwrI 'coN vI auh nhIN sI[ pqnI ny vI aus nhIN sI pihcwixAw[ mYN ikhw," bIbI bYT jwh[" iPr aus ny ieh g`l d`sI Aqy AwpxI muh`bq dw iezhwr kIqw[ aus dw bytw vI aus dy nwl hI sI[ auh Awpxy nwl KIr bxw ky ilAweI sI[ auh kihx l`gI, "vIr jI!r`b ny quhw bhuq kuJ id`qw hoieAw hY[ mYN quhw kI dyx jogI hW[ nMbr ie`k mYN ieh KIr quhwfy leI lY ky AweI hW[ nMbr do mY ie`Qy do idn leI rihx idau qW jo mYN quhwfI syvw kr skW[" ieh sux ky myrIAW A`KW nm ho geIAW sn Aqy pUrI qrHW pwxI nwl Br AweIAW sn[ mYN ikhw bIbI jdoN qyry vrg muh`bq krn vwlyy lok Ajy bYTy hox qW mYN A`j GoSxw (Declare) kr idMdw hW ik mYN mrdw nhIN[ ieh Gtnw jdoN mYN A`j vI Xwd krdw hW qW myry rOgty KVy ho jWdy hn[ suAwl: A`j dy nOjvwnW koeI sunyhw dyxw cwhogy? juAwb: sunyhw! sunyhw qW sunyhw eI Aw[ mYN A`j dI nOjvwn pIVHI kihxw cwhvWgw ik information (igAwn) bhuq hY[ ies vyly igAwn dI koeI kmI nhIN hY[ hr iksm dw igAwn iml jWdw hY lyikn igAwn suxn lìgAW, Awpxy iv`c Fwlx lìgAW ie`k sYikMf leI ruk ky ieh vyKo ik ikhVw igAwn quhw skUn idMdw hY[ mYN lPz 'su`K' nhIN vrq irhw, 'AwnMd'vrq irhw hW[ su`K dyx vwly igAwn mgr bySk nw BìjE[ pr ijhVw igAwn quhw AwnMd idMdw hY aus dI pRwpqI vwsqy XqnSIl hoieE[ (g`l ieMJ jwp rhI sI ijvyN auh kih rhy hox ik igAwn dI brswq qW ho rhI hY pr GVy dw mUMh hI mUDw vìjAw hoieAw hY[ loV hY GVy dw mUMh auqWh v`l krn dI[) suAwl: ies imlxI XwdgwrI bxwaux leI AsIN cwhvWgy ik qusIN AwpxI iksy ipAwrI ijhI nzm dy do bol suxw ky ies smyN vI rMg-r`qw bxw idau?
juAwb: kivqwvW,ijhVIAW ilKIAW jWdIAW hn auh qW swrIAW ausy dIAW hn[ auh(pRBU) Asl iv`c rcyqw hY[ Awpxy b`cy swry hI ipAwry huMdy hn[ pr keI vyrW mY ies kivqw dy hyTly bol bhuq cMgy l`gdy hn[ ies kivqw irkwrf krn lìgAW sweIdW byZm ny jdoN SyAr ikhw sI qW aus dy A`QrU vgxoN h`tdy hI nhIN sn[ aus mwiek qoN pwsy htw ky, h`Q-mUMh DuAw ky iPr mwiek qy ilAWdw igAw sI[ ayh SyAr sI: "myry dm l`g jwvx qY, vy! mMgW dm-dm qyrIAW duAwvW[ qyry dm mYN hr dm BrdI, vy! Folw qyrIAW dUr blwvW[ 'b^qwvr mIAW' vy dm qyry Brosy,d`s hor ikhVw pIr mnwvW[" bwkI, kivqwvW qW swrIAW hI[ Awpxy pu`qr qW swry hI ipAwry huMdy hn[ ieqnw kih ky auh cu`p ho gey sn[ s.b^qwvr isMG jI AYs .fI.AYm dy cu`p huMidAW hI kmry iv`c ie`k qrHW dI skUn BrI lihr ijhI Cw geI sI[ l`gdw sI ijvyN swfy Awly-duAwly sU&I rMg dI AwBw qxI geI hovy[ AsIN swry hI Swq ic`q iksy AwgMmI dunIAW iv`c phuMcy hoey AnuBv kr rhy sW[ swfw AMdrlw mnu`K dUr bhuq dUr idshìdAw iv`c guAwcw AnMqqw dy rs iv`c lIn AnuBv ho irhw sI ij`Qy koeI Zm nhIN sI[ Swied ieh hI auh Sihr sI ijs 'byZmpurw' kihMdy hn[ mYN soc irhw sW ik jykr swry hI srkwrI AiDkwrI ies rMgq dy ies soc dy ho jwx qW smìsAwvW mu`k hI jwxgIAW[ r`b kry Aijhw hI ho jwvy[ AwmIn! ***
ie`k AiDAwpk
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kuldIp isMG 'ArSI' ie`k vyrW AijhI siQqI bx geI sI ik Sihr iv`c ie`k jlUs kìFAw jwxw sI[ ies iek`qrqw iv`c Sihr dy swry mMny prmMny fwktr,ieMjInIAr,ivaupwrI,DnwF, v`fy v`fy nyqw Aqy hor mhwn hsqIAW hwzr sn[ mslw ieh sI ik ies jlUs dI AgvweI kOx kry[ swirAW dI ie`k rwey nhIN sI bx rhI[ kdI ieh ikhw jWdw ik fwktr ieh ie`zq id`qI jwvy ikauNik auh swfI ibmwrI smyN swfw Xog aupcwr krky swfw ibmwrI qoN Cutkwrw krvwauNdw hY[ aus dw drjw pRmwqmw qoN dUsry AsQwn 'qy hY[ kdI ikhw jWdw ik ieMjInIAr ieh mwx id`qw jwvy[ kdI soc dI sUeI nyqw v`l GuMm jWdI pr &Yslw iksy isry nw l`g sikAw[ auhnW iv`c hI Kloqy ie`k sDwrx ijhy AwdmI ny ikhw," jy kr myrI mMnoN qW ies g`l dw mwx Awpxy skUl dy AiDAwpk id`qw jwxw cwhIdw hY[ fwktr, ieMjInIAr, nyqw, DnwF kI swry auh AwdmI ijhnW nUM qusIN ieh mwx dyxw cwhuMdy ho jy kr AiDAwpk koloN ivìdAw pRwpq nw krdy qW ies ruqby qy iks qrHW pu`jdy?" ies qrk dw nw koeI qoV sI Aqy nw hI jvwb[ AiDAwpk hI ie`k AijhI SKsIAq huMdI hY jo mnu`K ivìdAw dw dwn dy kyy qIsrw nyqr KolHdw hY nhIN,qW mnu`K Aqy pSU iv`c koeI izAwdw &rk nhIN hY[ ivìdAw dw dwn dyx vwlw gurU smwn hY[ "mwq, qwq, Brwq, suihrd,ieSt dyv inrp-pRwx[ nwQ dws sB sy AiDk dwn igAwn bigAwn[" sR. kuldIp isMG jI 'ArsI' pySy p`KoN ie`k sPl AiDAwpk rhy hn ijhnW ny bìcAW ividAw dw dwn cwlI swl dy ky auhnW dIAW izMdgIAW svwrIAW hn[ auhnW qoN pVH ky smwj iv`c A`j auhnW dy Sigrd v`fy v`fy AhuidAW qy ibrwjmwn hn[ myrI bVI hI BYVI Awdq hY ik mYN iksy bwry sux ky aus bwry koeI Dwrnw Awpxy mn iv`c nhIN bTwauNdw[ jo AwdmI iksy bwry d`s irhw huMdw hY, aus iv`c aus dw Awpw vI rilAw huMdw hY[ auh aus AwdmI dI SKsIAq dy Asr hyTW aus dw pRqIibMb dUsry dy mn iv`c auqwrn dI koiSS krdw hY[ mYN jdoN q`k Awp nhIN iml lYNdw Aqy AwpxI soc ksv`tI qy nhIN lw lYNdw iksy dy khy dw Asr nhIN kbUldw[ ie`k Pu`l tihxI qy inrol,bylwZ bydwZ Aqy AxCUihAw hY pr jdoN AsIN aus iksy rwhIN lYNdy hW qW aus dI mihk iv`c dyx vwly dI srIsk Coh Awx imldI hY[ jy kr ibAwn krqw iksy dy Asr kbUl ky g`l krdw hY qW auh g`l inrol nhIN khI jw skdI[ aus iv`c aus dw Awpw vI rilAw huMdw hY[ mY 'ArSI' jI nwl pihlI vwr auhnW dy qYR-mwisk mYgzIn 'rwh dsyrw' dI islvr jublI jo ik auhnW v`loN 'qwl rYstorYNt' jMifAwlw gurU ivKy imqI 12-11-2006 mnweI geI sI qy imlx dw mOkw imilAw[ ArSI jI dI swdgI pihlI nzry hI myry qy jwdU ijhw kr geI sI[ bVw hI swdw ijhw ilbws pihnIN ArSI s`c mu`c hI ies DrqI qy iksy ArS dw vwsI l`g irhw sI[ aus dw s`c s`c kih dyx dw AMdwz myry mn nUM tuMb igAw sI[ bhuq izAwdw Aijhy lok huMdy hn jo QoVHI ijhI Sohrq iml jwx 'qy hI
Awpxy Awp nUM ûdw smJx l`g pYNdy hn[ auhnW dUsirAW koloN boA Awaux l`g pYNdI hY, pr ie`Qy qW swdgI dy nwl nwl haumY dI kwl^ qoN rihq ienswn myry kol KVHw myry nwl ies qrHW g`lW kr irhw sI ijvyN auh myrw bhuq purwxw Xwr hovy[ aus dI ies pRBwvSwlI id`^ ny mY swry dw swrw hI cuMbk vWgUM Awpxy v`l iK`c ilAw sI[ ArSI jI nwl ies imlxI ny myry qy fUMGw Asr kIqw sI Aqy mYN vI aunHW dI sBw dw mYNbr bx igAw sI[hr mhIny sBw dIAW hox vwlIAW mIitMgW iv`c auhnW nwl hox vwlIAw imlxIAW Aqy auhnW nwl ivcwr vtWdrw hox krkyy aunW dI kwblIAq dIAw qihAW prq-dr-prq myry swhmxy KulHdIAW geIAW Aqy mYN swihqk igAwn nwl srSwr huMdw igAw[ jy ArSI jI bwry swrIAW hI g`lW nUM ie`k hI g`l iv`c ibAwn krnw hovy qW mYN khWgw, "ArSI ie`k drvyS ilKwrI hY jo pUrn rUp iv`c swihq nUM smripq hY Aqy ies kMm iv`c pUry dw pUrw dIvwngI dI h`d q`k fuìbAw hoieAw ie`k Aijhw nUr hY jo dUsirAW leI cwnx munwry dw kMm kr irhw hY Aqy swihqkwrW dI nvI puMgr rhI pnIrI leI 'rwh dsyrw' hY[" hr koeI Awpxy leI qW ijMdgI jI hI irhw hY, pr dUsirAW leI p`Q drSk bx ky jIaUxw Awpxy Awp iv`c bhuq hI muSkl Aqy ijMmyNvwrI vwlw kMm huMdw hY[hnyrIAW glIAW iv`coN k`F ky rOSnI iv`c lY Awauxw bVw hI praupkwrI kMm hox dy nwl nwl bOiDkqw dI auNgly lw ky jIvn jwc isKwauxI mnu`Kqw dy Bly dw kMm vI hY jo smwj syD idMdw hY[ ieh kMm kudrq ny sR. kuldIp isMG jI ArSI dI JolI iv`c pwieAw hY[ mYN auhnW dI SWq ic`q SKsIAq nyiVE ho ky vyiKAw hY Aqy auhnW nwl myrI kIqI hoeI g`l bwq mYN ieMtrivaU dw rUp dy ky pwTkW dI s`Q iv`c lY ky hwzr hoieAw hW qW jo auh vI ies SKsIAq nUM nyVy qoN vyK skx[ pRSn: ArSI jI mYN A`j quhwfI ijMdgI bhuq hI nyVy qoN vyKxw cwhuMdw hW,myrw Bwv mYN quhwfI ieMtrivaU lY ky aus p`K ijhVw Ajy q`k ikqwbW iv`c drz nhIN hoieAw pwTkW dy rU-b-rU krnw cwhuMdw hW[ au~qr: myry iÂwl Anuswr qW kuJ vI Aijhw bwkI nhIN bicAw jo pwTkW dI idRStI gocr nw hoieAw hovy[ mYN qW ie`k Ku`lHI ikqwb vrgw hW[ iPr vI qusIN jo cwho pu`Co[ pRSn: kI qusIN AwpxI pRvwirk Aqy bcpn dI ijMdgI qy kuJ cwnxw pwEgy? au~qr: myry ipqw jI dw nwm sR. gMfw isMG jI Aqy mwqw jI dw nwm srdwrnI hrbMs kOr jI hY[ myrw jnm ipMf hlvwrw jo ik izlHw luiDAwxw iv`c hY,imqI 25-02-1935 hoieAw sI[ myry cwr Brw Aqy do BYxW hn[ iehnW dy drjy iv`c mYN sB qoN v`fw hW[ myry jnm qoN koeI pMdrW ku idn bwAd hI myry ipqw jI dI bdlI rwvl ipMfI jo ik A`j k`lH pwiksqwn iv`c hY,ho geI sI[ auh rylvy dy ividAk ivBwg iv`c bqOr tIcr sn[ ieh ielwkw dirAw jyhlm Aqy dirAw isMD dy ivckwrlw ielwkw hY jo bhuq hI suMdr hY[ ies ielwky nUM poTohwr dw ielwkw kihMdy hn[ pRSn: mYN cwhuMdw hW hux qusIN AwpxI skUlI pVHweI bwry kuJ d`so? au~qr: ihMdusqwn Aqy pwiksqwn dI vMf qoN pihlW q`k mYN Kwlsw hweI skUl rwvlipMfI iv`c sqvIN jmwq q`k piVHAw hW[ auh idn Xwd krky A`j vI myrw mn bwZ bwZ ho jWdw hY[ mYnUM myry do muslmwn dosq k&wieq hUsYn (ipMf FokW) Aqy idlpzIr (ipMf golVw) A`j vI Xwd AwauNdy hn[ ieh myry bhuq hI p`ky dosq huMdy sn[ jy kr koeI myry nwl tIN-PIN krdw qW ieh dovyN J`t Aw ky aus dI Bugq suAwr idMdy sn[ ikauNik mYN mwstr dw muMfw sW ies krky vI dUsry myry sihpwTI myrI bhuq ie`zq krdy huMdy sn[ pRSn: dyS dI vMf qoN auprMq Bwrq iv`c qusIN ik`Qy Aw v`sy sI? au~qr: ikauNik swfy bwkI irSqydwr ie`Dr ipMf hlvwry iv`c hI rihMdy sn Aqy swfy Awpxy mkwn vI sn ies leI vwpsI qy AsIN Awpxy mkwnW iv`c hI Aw v`sy sW[ dUsry au~jV ky Awey lokW vWg sw kYNpW iv`c nhIN sI rulxw ipAw[
pRSn: kI qusIN ie`Dr Aw ky vI AwpxI pVHweI jwrI r`KI sI jW nhIN? AwpxI pVHweI bwry vI kuJ d`so? au~qr: mYN ATvIN jmwq hlvwry qoN pws kr ky AglyrI pVHweI leI gurU hrgoibMd skUl gurUsr suDwr dw^lw lY ilAw sI ij`QoN mYN dsvI jmwq pws kIqI hY[ ies skUl dw &wslw swfy ipMf qNo cwr mIl dw sI Aqy mYN pYdl hI skUl pVHn jwieAw krdw sW[ ieMj kih lvo ik ieh vI myrI qpìsAw dw smW sI, ijhVw mY A`j q`k Xwd hY[ pRSn: qusIN tIicMg ivBwg iv`c kdoN qy ikvyN Awey? au~qr: mYN sMn 1953 iv`c jy. bI. tI. krnwl qoN pws kIqI hY[ ie`k mzy dI g`l d`sW,sR. iekbwl isMG jI khwxIkwr jo A`j k`lH AYfvokyt hn auhnW ny vI jy.bI.tI myry nwl hI krnwl qoN kIqI sI[ myrI pihlI inXukqI bqOr pRwiemrI tIcr ipMf dyvIdws purw ijhVw ik jMifAwlw gurU dy nzdIk hY,hoeI sI[ mYN pMjwb XUnIvristI soln (iSmlw) qoN bI.ey. sMn 1960 iv`c krky iPr B.Ed. 1972 iv`c kIqI hY[ pRSn: kI qusIN ies qoN A`gy vI koeI hor aucyrI ivìdAk Xogqw pRwpq kIqI sI jW ie`Qy hI bryk lw id`qI sI? au~qr: ikauNik mY pVHn dI bVI m`s sI ies leI mYN hor pVHweI krn leI hmySW q`qpr irhw hW[ mYN sMn 1954 iv`c igAwnI Aqy sMn 1963 iv`c pRBwkr krky hweI skUl iv`c BwSw tIcr l`g igAw sI[ quhwfI jwxkwrI leI ieh vI d`s idAW ik mYN AMgry zI, pMjwbI,ihMdI dw jwxkwr hox dy nwl nwl dsvIN jmwq q`k aurdU Aqy PwrsI vI pVHI hoeI hY[ mY ieh d`sx iv`c vI P^r mihsUs huMdw hY ik mYN bweIbl,sRI gurU grMQ swihb jI Aqy kurwn SrIP dw vI AiDAn kIqw hY[ pRSn: quhwfy nW nwl ArSI aupnwm ikvyN juiVAw hY? au~qr: jdoN mYN Awpxy ipMf pVHdw huMdw sI qW mY ipMf iv`c hox vwly kvI drbwrW iv`c Awm krky ih`sw ilAw krdw sI[ iehnW pRogrwmW iv`c ie`k S^sIAq AwieAw krdI sI ijs dw nwm sR. dlyr isMG 'ArSI' sI[ auh kwmryf iÂwlW dw swihqkwr sI[ suBwA dy p`KoN auh bhuq hI infr sI[ aus ny ie`k ikqwb 'ksvtI' vI ilKI sI[ auh ie`k kivqw Awm krky piVHAw krdw sI ijhVI mY A`j q`k Xwd hY[ aus dy bol hn, "krIey jIaUNidAW iv`c Sumwr ik`QoN, ijs bu`q AMdr jIaUNdI jwn hI nhIN[ Bu`ly BtikAW auh ik`dW rwh pwaU, ijh Awpxy Awp dw igAwn hI nhIN[ KUn &rkdw nhIN ijhdy fOilAW dw, ikMnIN aumr hovy auh jvwn hI nhIN[ dyS kOm dw nhIN idl iv`c drd ijhdy, mYN qW smJdw auh ienswn hI nhIN[" ie`k vyrW auh bhuq ibmwr pY igAw sI Aqy aus ny mY aucycy qOr 'qy bulw ByijAw sI[ jdoN mYN aus imlx igAw sW qW aus ny mY bImwrI iv`c ikhw sI ik mYN hux Swied izAwdw icr nw jIA skW[ myry mrn ip`CoN qUM myrw aupnwm 'ArSI' Awpxy nW nwl joV lvIN[ s`c dw mwrZ kdy nw C`fIN[ myry mr jwx ip`CoN vI myrw nwm ArSI dy rUp iv`c izMdw rhygw[ ausy dy kihx qy hI mYN Awpxw aupnwm 'ArSI' rìKAw sI[ bwAd iv`c aus dI mOq ho geI sI pr aus dw id`qw hoieAw aupnwm aus dy rUp iv`c A`j q`k izMdw hY[ ies qrHW 'ArSI' aupnwm myry nwm dw ih`sw bx igAw hY[ pRSn: qusIN Awpxy AiDAwpk jIvn sbMDI vI kuJ jwxkwrI idE ik qusIN ik`Qy ik`Qy nOkrI kIqI ? au~qr: ijvyN ik mYN pihlW vI quhw dìsAw hY ik mYN 1953 iv`c krnwl qoN jy. bI.tI. kIqI[ myrI bqOr pRwiemrI tIcr sB qoN pihlI inXukqI jMifAwlw gurU dy nzdIk ipMf dyvIdwspurw ivKy hoeI sI[ mYN luiDAwxw izlHw qoN Awpxw itMf-PhuVI cu`k ky ie`Qy Aw
itikAw sW[ ie`QoN dy lokW dw Ku`lHw suBwA Aqy vwqvrx dw Asr myry AMdr Aijhw v`s igAw sI ik mYN ie`QoN dw hI ho ky rih igAw sW[ mYN v`K v`K simAW qy v`K-v`K skUlW iv`c nOkrI kIqI hY ijs dw vyrvw ies qrHW hY:1. fI. bI. pRwiemrI skUl dyvIdws purw (AMimRqsr) 2. -------auhI------m`lHIAW 3. -------auhI------kotlw bQungVH 4. srkwrI pRwiemrI skUl gunovwl 5. -------auhI------DwrV 6. -------auhI------jhWgIr 7. -------auhI------r`K SyK P`qw 8. -------auhI------bu`q 9. srkwrI hweI skUl p`Ko ky 10. s: sI: sYkMfrI skUl ^fUr swihb ieh swry skUl izlHw AMimRqsr iv`c hI hn[ Awi^r sMn 1993 iv`c(28 PrvrI, 1993) sInIAr sYkMfrI skUl, ^fUr swihb qoN syvw mukq hoieAw hW[ pRSn: hux kuJ AwpxI ivAwhuqw ijMdgI bwry d`sidAW hoieAW ieh vI d`so ik quhwfy jIvn swQI dw quhwfy swihqk ^yqr iv`c ikho ijhw Xogdwn irhw hY Aqy quhwfw bwZ-pRIvwr kI hY ? au~qr: myrI SwdI sR: vzIr isMG jI ijhVy pwnIpq (hirAwxw) dy rihx vwly sn dI spu`qrI surjIq kOr nwl 13 AprYl,1955 hoeI[ auh s`c-mu`c hI shI ArQW iv`c myrI jIvn swQx sI, ijs ny myrI gRihsq dI g`fI Awpxy AMqly dmW q`k swQ dy ky clwieAw Aqy sMBwilAw vI[ auh myry jIvn iv`c myrI p`Q drSk dy nwl nwl swihq leI pRyrnw sroq vI sI[ aus dw swihqk p`KoN myry nwl bhuq sihXog sI[ s`c qW ieh hY ik auh lok gIqW dI milkw sI[ jo gIq aus ny mY suxwey sn mYN auhnW iek`qr krI bYTw hW qy cwhuMdw hW ik auhnW ikqwbI rUp dyvW[ aunHW dI bdOlq myrI pirvwrk bgIcI iv`c iqMn lVky Aqy ie`k lVkI pYdw hoey hn ijhVy myry Gr dI rOxk hn[ pRSn: ArSI jI, qusIN ie`k kwmXwb AiDAwpk rhy ho[ kI d`s skdy ho ik ie`k auh smW sI jdoN rwijAW mhwrwijAW dy lVky Aqy grIbW dy lVky ie`ko hI gurU kul iv`c bYT ky ivìdAw pRwpq kirAw krdy sn Aqy Awpxy gurU dw pUrw mwx siqkwr vI kirAw krdy sn[ Ajoky smyN nwl aus smyN dI qulnw krdy hoey qusIN kI smJdy ho ik hux vI AiDAwpk dw siqkwr huMdw hY? au~qr: (ie`k haukw ijhw Br ky) l`d gey ny auh smyN[ aunHW simAW iv`c gurU r`b dw rUp smiJAw jWdw sI[ aus dw kihxw r`bI hukm vrgw huMdw sI[ A`j k`lH nw qW AiDAwpkW dw hI auh ikrdwr irhw hY Aqy nw hI ivìdAwrQIAW dw hY[ pr cwhIdw qW ies qrHW hY ik "Sigrd ko hY vwizb Sigrd bn kr rihnw[AOr AiDAwpk ko hY vwizb AiDAwpk bn kr rihnw[" swfy smyN q`k vI kuJ TIk sI Aqy ies ibmwrI ny eynw zor nhIN sI PiVHAw,ijMnW hux hY[ pihly AiDAwpk Awpxy pySy pUrn rUp iv`c smripq sn[ auh Awpxy kMm kMm hI nhIN pUjw smJdy sn[ ivìdAwrQI Aqy AiDAwpk dI AwpsI sWJ piv`qr sWJ sI[ pRSn: soc dy ies pRIvrqn leI qusIN iks izMmyvwr smJdy ho? au~qr: ies leI ivìdAwrQI hI iek`lw izMmyvwr nhIN hY[ ies iv`c mwpy,Awlw duAwlw (mwhOl) AiDAwpk Aqy srkwrW vI brwbr dIAW izMmyvwr hn[ Gr iv`clw mwhOl b`cy dI soc 'qy bhuq Asr krdw hY[ b`cy dw mn ie`k sw& slyt vrgw huMdw hY[ ies 'qy qusIN jo jo ilKogy auh AwpxI Aim`t Cwp aus dy izhn au~qy C`fdI jwvygI[ Gr iv`c mwpy jykr au~cI Aqy piv`qr soc dy DwrnI hoxgy qW zrUrI hY ies mwhOl dw Asr b`cy dy Acyq mn 'qy zrUr pvygw[ auh ieh ibrqI GroN lY ky skUl AwauNdw hY[ mYN qW ieh vI khWgw ik b`cy
qy mwipAW dy hwv Bwv dw pRBwv vI bhuq v`fw Asr krdw hY[ iksy ivdvwn dw kQn hY: "The children take their cues from the parents. What the parents are the children would become." dUsrw pRBwv huMdw hY skUl AiDAwpk dw[jykr AiDAwpk hI Awpxy &rz qoN kuqwhI kr irhw hovygw qW bìcAW dy p`ly kI pwvygw? ies g`l ny vI AiDAwpk Aqy ivìdAwrQI dy drimAwn pwVw vDwieAw hY[ Ajoky AiDAwpk AwpxI ifaUtI smripq hovy[ auh AwpxIAW ifgrIAW v`l nw vyKx[ kuJ AiDAwpk qW ivìdAwrQIAW nwl eynIN nyVqw bxw lYNdy hn ik ivìdAwrQIAW dy AMdroN AiDAwpk dw fr hI inkl jWdw hY Aqy hOlI hOlI siqkwr vI iknwrw kr jWdw hY[ jykr AiDAwpk Aqy ivìdAwrQI dw irSqw ie`k ipau pu`qr vrgw rhygw qW fr Aqy siqkwr kwiem rih skygw[ Asl iv`c ivdvwnW ny vI AiDAwpk qy bhuqI ijMmyNvwrI pweI hY jykr srkwrW,AiDAwpk dIAW loVW Anuswr aus qn^wh dyx qW Swied AiDAwpk vrg ies aUxqweI qoN bc skdw hY, ijvyN AgWhvDU dySW iv`c hY[ ies nwl itaUSn dI bImwrI vI ht skdI hY[ ivìdAw pRnwlI iv`c Aw rhy inGwr dw dw sb`b myrI jwcy ieh vI hI hY[ pRSn: b`cy aus dI glqI kwrn jykr ausqwd szw idMdw hY, qW A`j k`lH dy mwpy brdwSq nhIN krdy[ auh skUl iv`c jw ky AiDAwpk nwl qkrwr krdy hn[ kI qusIN smJdy ho ik ieh kwrn vI hY, jo b`cy AiDAwpk qoN dUr lY jw irhw hY? au~qr: AiDAwpk dw kdy vI idl nhIN krdw ik auh b`cy ijsmwnI szw dyvy pr jykr b`cw is`DI qrHW AwKy nhIN l`gdw qW ieh hI ie`k swDn rih jWdw hY,b`cy suDwrn dw[ mwipAW socxw cwhIdw ik ik jykr AiDAwpk ny szw id`qI hY qW b`cy dI ibhqrI vwsqy hI id`qI hovygI[ pihlW mwpy szw dy sbMD iv`c b`cy Aqy ausqwd dy drimAwn nhIN sn AwieAw krdy[ hux smW bdl igAw hY[ keI mwpy qW dUr dI g`l szw qoN bwAd b`cy hI AiDAwpk skUloN bwhr Gyr lYNdy hn[ AiDAwpk vI AwpxI p`g bcwaux leI bìcAW aunHW dI glqI leI mwrnw qW dUr dI g`l iksy g`loN tokdy vI nhIN[ siqkwr G`tdw jw irhw hY Aqy dUrI idn-b-idn v`DdI jw rhI hY[ ies nwl AnuSwsn BMg ho irhw hY[ pRSn: qusIN Awpxy AiDAwpk jIvn dI koeI AijhI Gtnw sWJI krogy ijhVI quhw A`j vI Xwd hovy? au~qr: aus smyN myrI inXukqI izlHw AMimRqsr dy srkwrI hweI skUl p`Koky iv`c sI[ dsvIN klws dw ie`k ivìdAwrQI bVw SrwrqI sI aunHW simAW iv`c ie`k hI tIcr keI keI ivSy pVHwauxy pYNdy sn[ mY vI AMgryzI,pMjwbI,ihMdI,BUgol,ieiqhws Aqy nwgirk Swsqr dIAW klwsW lYxIAW pYNdIAW sn[ ie`k idn aus ivìdAwrQI ny koeI Srwrq kIqI sI ijs qoN mY bhuq gu`sw Aw igAw sI[ mYN sotI nwl aus eynW kuìtAw sI ik aus dy h`Q vI su`j gey sn[ A`j dw zmwnw huMdw qW aus dy mwpy myry 'qy Swied kys hI kr idMdy[ pr aus dy mwipAW ny ie`k vyrW vI Aw ky mY nhIN sI puìCAw ik mYN aus ikauN mwirAw hY[ kw&I smyN ip`CoN jdoN ik mYN vI syvw mukq ho cu`kw sW,ie`k idn Acwnk ie`k nOjvwn ny myry Aw pYr CUhy sn[ mYN hYrwn rih igAw sW ik ieh kOx hY ijhVw myry pYr CUh irhw hY[ mY hYrwn vyK ky auh boilAw sI," sr jI, pihcwinAw nhIN jy? mYN hW, quhwfw auhI ivìdAwrQI ijs qusW bhuq kuìtAw sI[ mY quhwfI aus idn dI mwr ny bxw id`qw jy[ myrw jIvn hI suAwr id`qw hY aus mwr ny[ mYN A`j k`lH imltrI iv`c kYptn hW[" aus smyN qW mYN vI bhuq du`KI hoieAw sW ik aus ikauN mwirAw hY pr A`j socdw hW ik myrI mwr ny aus dy jIvn dI Dwrw hI bdl ky r`K id`qI sI[ ieh Gtnw Xwd krky KuSI vI imldI hY Aqy A&sos vI huMdw hY[ pRSn: srkwrI nOkrI qoN syvw mukq hox auprMq Awp ny Awpxy jIvn ikhVIAW lIhW qy qoirAw hY ? myrw Bwv quhwfy A`j k`lH dy ruJyivAW qoN hY ?
au~qr: swihq nwl ipAwr qW nOkrI smyN qoN hI sI, ies leI mY Awpxy kuJ swQIAW nwl rl ky jMifAwlw gurU iv`c ie`k swihq sBw dw ArMB kIqw[ ieh myrw ie`k auprwlw sI,swihq jgq nwl juVy rihx dw Aqy ^ws krky mW bolI pMjwbI dI syvw krn dw[ AsIN hr mhIny iek`Ty huMdy sW Aqy AwpxIAW ikrqW ie`k dUsry suxw ky Awpxy iKAwl sWJy krdy rihMdy sW[ "Gr sy Akylw hI clw Qw mMizl kI jwnb[ log imlqyy gey kwrvW bnqw igAw[" pRSn: AwpxIAW swihqk pRwpqIAW bwry vI kuJ d`so ?` au~qr: ieh kihMidAW hoieAW mYN mwx mihsUs krdw hW ik mYN ies ^yqr iv`c jIA jwn nwl kMm kIqw hY Aqy swihq dy ^jwny iv`c Awpxw XQwXog ih`sw pwieAw hY[ mY hux q`k swihq dI JolI 54 pusqkW pweIAW hn ijnHW iv`c swihq dIAW v`K-v`K vMngIAW ryKw ic`qR,jIvnIAW,s&rnwmy,inbMD,Zzl,imMnI khwxIAW,imMnI s&rnwmy, sWJy sMgRih,p`qr swihq Aqy ABInMdn Swml hn[ huxy huxy mYN sYr-ey-ihmwcl (s&rnwmw) pwTkW dI JolI pwieAw hY[ies iv`c mYN AwpxI kWgVw Xwqrw dw vrnx kIqw hY[ pRSn: quhwfw swihq sBw dw auprwlw ik`QoN q`k sPl irhw hY ? au~qr: ieh swihq sBw "SRomxI pMjwbI swihq sBw dy nW hyTW jMifAwlw gurU" iv`c pUrI qrHW c`l rhI hY ijs iv`c ies smyN 32 mYNbr hn[ swirAW dy sihXog nwl qRY mwisk mYgzIn "rwh dsyrw" AwpxI islvr jublI mnw cu`kw hY[ ieh mYgzIn dyS ivdyS iv`c vI bhuq slwihAw jw irhw hY Aqy ies dy ie`k hzwr v`D mYNbr Aqy hzwrW hI pwTk hn[mY hr qrHW dI sMquStI hY[ mYN izMdgI guzwrI nhIN mwxI hY[ies g`l dI qrzmwnI krdy hn ie`k Swier dy ieh SyAr: " iekbwl qyry ieSk ny sB bl dIey inkwl[ mu`dq sy AwrzU QI ik sIDw kry koeI[" hor "AY ZrdSy! AY AXwm! qyrw SukrIAw[ hm ny hr pihlU sy dunIAW dyK lI[" AiDAwpk,swihqkwr, p`qrkwr, kvI, g`l kI ie`k bhu-p`KI SKsIAq Awpxy jIvn dy 76 isAwl-hunwl hMFw cu`kI hY[ ieh ienswn Ajy vI jIvn sMgrwm iv`c qroqwzw Aqy SkqI BrpUr swhs nwl A`gy v`D irhw hY[ swfy smwj AijhIAW SKsIAqW dI Ajy bhuq loV hY[ r`b kry ieh rwh dsyrw bx ky nvIN pIVHI dw mwrg drSn krdw rhy[ AwmIn! ***
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fw. inrml isMG lWbVw kuJ GtnwvW bVy hI AzIb FMg nwl vwpr jWdIAW hn ijs dI AsIN kdy Aws vI nhIN kIqI huMdI[ ieh Gtnw vI kuJ iesy qrHW hI vwprI sI[ sR. inrMjn isMG jI FysI ijhVy lwielpur ^wlsw kwlj jlMDr qoN pMjwbI dy pRoPYsr dI pdvI qo syvw mukq hoey hn Aqy myry pRm-im`qr vI hn nwl mY koeI zrUrI kMm sI[ mYN aunHw imlx jlMDr igAw hoieAw sW, g`lW g`lW iv`c hI fw. inrml isMG jI bwry g`l SurU ho geI sI[ ies qoN pihlW mYN kdy vI fwktr swihb nhIN sW imilAw[ aus hsqI bwry ijs qrHW FysI jI ny crcw kIqI sI qoN ies g`l dI Jlk imldI sI ik ieh ienswn Awpxy AMdr AnykW hI gux sMBwlI bYTw hY[ jW ieMJ kih lvo ik aus bwry kIqI geI crcw dw swrAMS ieh sI ik ieh ienswn guxW dI gu`QlI hY[ ieqny gux huMidAW hoieAw vI auh haUmY dI lys qoN bicAw hoieAw sI[ myry AMdr aus ienswn imlx dI qlb jwg au~TI sI[ mYN FysI jI ikhw sI ik iksy idn mY vI fwktr jI nwl imlwE[ "A`j hI ikauN nhIN? mYN vI aunHW imlx jwxw hY[ jykr qyry kol smW hY qW c`l A`j hI iml AwauNdy hW[jlMDroN nyVy hI ey lWbVw[" mYN hW kr id`qI Aqy AsIN dovyN hI phuMc gey sW fwktr swihb dy itkwxy 'mwlvw hspqwl' lWbVy[ au~Qy kuJ mrIz Aqy kuJ s`QW dy kwrkuMn bYTy hoey sn[ ieh sI myrI pihlI imlxI fwktr inrml isMG jI nwl[ mYN jdoN kdy vI aunHW imlx lWbVy jwieAw krdw sW hr vwr aunHW AMdrly mnu`K dI ivl`Kxqw vyKx imldI sI[ ieh imlxIAW hux dosqI iv`c bdl geIAW sn Aqy mYN aunHW dy s`Q pirvwr dw mYNbr bx igAw sW[ h`QlI ikqwb vwsqy mYN ie`k fwktr dw ieMtrivXU rIkwrf krnw sI ies leI myrI cox iv`c fwktr inrml isMG hI TIk bYTdy sn[ ie`k idn mYN phuMc igAw lWbVy fwktr swihb dy fyry Aqy SurU ho igAw sI swfw suAwlW juAwbW dw islislw ijs dw incoV ies qrHW hY: suAwl: fwktr swihb quhwfw jnm kdoN Aqy ik`Qy hoieAw ? kI ies dy nwl nwl kuJ pirvwrk ijMdgI bwry vI cwnxw pwEgy? juAwb: qIr jI,myrw jIvn ie`k Ku`lHI ikqwb vrgw hY[ijho ijhw mYN bwhroN id`sdw hW auvyN dw hI mYN AMdro hW[iPr vI mYN Awpxy bwry lok jwxkwrI ih`q d`sdw hW[ myrw jnm 8 julweI,1942 svrgvwsI srdwrnI mwqw hrnwm kOr jI dI ku`KoN s. krqwr isMG jI dy gRih ivKy nwnky ipMf ipMf 'Ajnyr' (ijhVw ik audoN qihsIl smrwlw,izlHw luiDAwxw iv`c pYNdw sI[ pr nvIN h`dbMdI hox auprMq hux ieh ipMf izlHw PiqhgVH swihb dI qihsIl Kmwxo iv`c pYNdw hY) iv`c hoieAw[ myrIAW cwr BYxW Aqy ie`k Brw hY[ mYN aunHW sBnW 'coN v`fw hW[ swfw j`dI ipMf brvwlI ûrd hY[ suAwl:qusIN Awpxy pirvwrk vyrvy qW d`s id`qy hn, hux AwpxI ivìdAw pRwpqI bwry vI d`so ik kdoN kdoN Aqy ik`QoN ik`QoN pRwpq kIqI hY? juAwb: mYN cOQI jmwq q`k dI pVHweI fI.bI. pRwiemrI skUl srvrpur (ipMf qoN do iklo mItr dI dUrI hY)qoN,loAr imfl Bwv CyvIN q`k dI pVHweI fI.bI. loAr imfl skUl
cVI,ijhVw myry ipMf qoN iqMn iklo mItr dI dUrI qy sI Aqy dsvIN q`k dI ivìdAw mYN gurU Arjn dyv Kwlsw hweI skUl BVI,ipMf qoN Cy iklo mItr dI dUrI qy vwikAw hY,pRwpq kIqI[ quhw ieh jwx ky Swied hYrwnI hovygI ik ienHW skUlW iv`c smyN smyN pVHn jwx leI myry kol sweIkl vrgw swDn vI nhIN sI huMdw[mYN pYdl qur ky hI skUlW iv`c jWdw irhw hW[ mu`FlI pVHweI krn auprMq mYN AglyrI au~c ivìdAw pRwpqI vwsqy kwlj iv`c dw^lw lY ilAw[ AYP.AYs.sI Kwlsw kwlj AMimRqsr qoN(sMn,1959iv`c), bI.AYs.sI. dw ie`k swl vI iesy kwlj iv`c lwieAw, AYl.AYs.AYm.AYP. dXw nMd mYfIkl kwlj luiDAwxw qoN(sMn 1965 iv`c),AYm.bI.bI.AYs.pMjwbI XUnIvristI pitAwlw dy gOrimMt mYfIkl kwlj qoN(1968 iv`c),AYm.ey.(pMjwbI ivSy iv`c) gurU nwnk dyv XUnIvristI AMimRqsr qoN (sMn 1979 iv`c) Aqy AYm.fI.(Awrtrnyitv mYfIsn) dI pVHweI klk`qw qoN sMn 1983-84 iv`c kIqI hY[ suAwl: hux kuJ Awpxy ivAwhuqw jIvn bwry vI d`so ik quhwfI SwdI kdoN hoeI Aqy bwZ pirvwr iv`c kOx kOx hn? juAwb: myrI SwdI 14 sqMbr,1969 iv`c pRoPYsr divMdr kOr spu`qrI s: swDU isMG jI vwsI jlMDr nwl hoeI[ myrI pqnI ivìdAk ^yqr iv`c bqOr pMjwbI lYkcrwr rhy hn[ aunHW ny AYm.ey q`k dI pVHweI vI Kwlsw kwlj jlMDr qoN hI kIqI Aqy iPr auh swrw smW iesy kwlj iv`c hI pVHwauNdy rhy[ hux auh vI syvw mukq ho cu`ky hn[ sMqwn vjoN myrw ie`ko ie`k lVkw AnUp isMG hY,ijs dI SwdI bIbI jsvMq kOr spu`qrI sR.AjIq isMG jI nwl ho cu`kI hY Aqy A`j k`lH auh brYptn (kYnyfw) iv`c rih rhy hn[ suAwl: fwktrI dI pVHweI kr lYx auprMq kI qusIN koeI srkwrI nOkrI vI kIqI jW AwpxI pRweIvyt pRYkits hI ApxwieAw hY? juAwb: mYN bqOr srkwrI fwktr,idhwqI ifspYNsrI buqwlw izlHw AMimRqsr (1968-74 q`k),pRwiemrI hYlQ sYNtr iblgw,izlHw jlMDr (1974-75) Aqy srkwrI ifspYNsrI ic`tI,izlHw jlMDr iv`c 1975 qoN 1977 q`k nOkrI kIqI hY[ ies qrHW l`g Bg 10 swl dy smyN q`k mYN srkwrI nOkrI iv`c irhw hW[ iPr mYN nOkrI iqlWzlI dy ky 'mwlvw hspqwl lWbVw' dy nW hyTW Awpxw in`jI klIink KolH ky pRweIvyt pRYkits AwrMB id`qI sI, ijhVI ik A`j q`k jwrI hY[ suAwl: lok qW srkwrI nOkrIAW l`Bdy iPrdy hn pr qusW srkwrI nOkrI iqAwg id`qI[ ies ip`Cy kI kwrn sn? juAwb: mYN bcpn qoN hI QoVHw bhuq jzbwqI Aqy kuJ AwdrSvwdI iksm dw AwdmI hW[ myrw fwktrI jIvn bxwaux iv`c myry mwipAW,smwj,dyS,hlwqW Aqy sihXogIAW dw v`fw h`Q hY[ jy kr ienHW iqMnHW jIvn 'coN mnPI kr id`qw jwvy qW myrI hoNd is&r rih jWdI hY[ mnu`Kqw dI syvw krn dw jzbw myry AMdr bcpn qoN hI sI[ fwktrI dI pVHweI kridAW mYN Awpxy AMdr duKI lukweI dy drd invwrn dI rIJ pwldw irhw hW[ mYN jwxdw sW ik Awm lok ijhVy ies g`l dy smr`Q nhIN ik auh mihMgIAW dvweIAW lY ky Awpxw jW AwpixAW dw ielwj krvw skx izAwdw krky ipMfW iv`c v`sdy hn[ qusIN vyiKAw hovygw nvyN nvyN bxy fwktr izAwdw krky SihrW iv`c nOkrI krnw psMd krdy hn[ auh ipMfW v`l mUMh vI nhIN krdy[ mYN nOkrI dOrwn swrI syvw ipMfW iv`c hI kIqI hY[ nOkrI dw iqAwg krn auprMq mYN jlMDr Sihr iv`c vI Awpxw hspqwl KolH skdw sI[ ies nwl mYN AwpxI pqnI Aqy bìcAW nwl su`KmeI jIvn jIau skdw sI[ pr mYN jlMDr Sihr qoN kuJ dUr lWbVw ksby cuixAw[ies ip`Cy v`fw kwrn ieh sI ik ies ksby dy Awly duAwly dy ipMfW dy duKI lokW dI syvw krn dI myrI syvw Bwvnw dI pUrqI vI huMdI sI[myrI GrvwlI dI nOkrI vI nyVy eI sI[ srkwrI nOkrI C`fx ip`Cy ie`k hor v`fw kwrn vI sI[ nOkrI iv`c rihMidAW nw qW qusIN Awpxy ik`qy nwl iensw& kr skdy ho Aqy nw hI AwpxI zmIr nwl[ srkwrI nOkrI
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hmdrdI qW hr mnu`K vWg huMdI hY pr auh mYN AslIAq jW hkIkq nwl joV ky &Yslw krdw hW[ duKI dI AwriQk,smwijk hwlq,auhdI aumr,Awm srIrk qMdrusqI,suBwA Aqy kMm DMdy vyK ky hI psIzx dI nObq AwauNdI hY[ nSyVIAW,ûdkSI dI koiSS krn vwilAW Aqy vwl dI ^`l lwhux vwilAW nwl kIqI hoeI hmdrdI aultw Asr krdI hY[ bzurgW, msUmW Aqy hW DIAW nwl myrw vqIrw bhuqI vwr hW p`KI hI huMdw hY[ smUhk rUp iv`c swirAW hI ie`ko A`K nwl vyKx vwlI soc mY ie`k pwsV Aqy aulwr jwpdI hY[ hr ie`k dI Awpo AwpxI hoNd hsqI huMdI hY[ swirAW ie`ko r`sy nwl nhIN bMinHAw jw skdw[ suAwl: quhwfy kol Awaux vwlw mrIz jykr quhwfI &Is Aqy dvweIAW dy ^rcy dyx dy smr`Q nhIN huMdw qW aus hwlq iv`c quhwfI mnodSw ikho ijhI huMdI hY? juAwb: Aijhy mrIzW vwsqy mYN ie`k gurduAwrw swihb dI pRbMDk kmytI nwl rl ky AYqvwrI mu&q ifspYNsrI A`j qoN 35 swl pihlW cwlU krvweI sI[ au~Qy mYN koeI ds ku swl syvw vI kIqI sI[ auh qzrbw A`j vI s&lqw pUrvk c`l irhw hY[ A`KW dy kYNp Aqy bwkI rogW leI kYNp lwaux dy auprwly vI lgwqwr c`ldy rhy hn[ smu`cy smwj hr pwisEN vyiKAW inrwSw hI p`ly peI hY[ grIbW dI igxqI lgwqwr vD rhI hY[ auh ibmwrIAW dI hnHyrI ny dboc ley hn[ srkwrI hspqwl PylH ho gey ny[ in`jI mihMgIAW ielwj shUlqW aunHW dI phuMc qoN bwhr hn[ AsIN cwhuMidAW hoieAW vI ies phwV ij`fI AOkV sr nhIN kr skdy[ Aijhy mOikAW 'qy &Yslw Awpxy swDnW dy soimAW mu`K r`K ky hI krnw pYNdw hY[ suAwl: myrI jwxkwrI Anuswr hr fwktr pVHweI mukMml kr lYx auprMq, mnu`K mwqr dI syvw dI shuM cu`kxI pYNdI hY[ ikMny ku fwktr ies dI pwlxw krdy hn? juAwb: AwKx , ivKwvy dy qOr 'qy swry hI pwlxw krn dw dm Brdy hn[ AslIAq iv`c ivrly-vWJy hI inBwauNdy hn[ jdoN kwiedy kwnW dy huMidAW-suMidAW jIvn dy hr pwswr iv`c ie^lwkI kdrW kImqW dw Gwx huMdw pRq`K idKweI dy irhw hovy qW isr& fwktrW qoN hI aumId r`KxI ik auh du`D Doqy Aqy Drm pu`qr bx ky ivcrx,hwsohIxI soc hY[ fwktr vI ausy smwj dw ih`sw hn ij`Qy srkwrW Awpxy bxwey Aqy pws kIqy knW dIAW D`jIAW ûd aufw rhIAW hox[ AdwlqW Awp irSvqôrI iv`c Ku`BIAW hox[ isAwsqdwn &rybI Aqy mkwrI ikrdwr rwjnIqI AwKdy hox[ cwry pwsy hnHyr grdI psrI hovy[ fwktr ivcwry ikhVy bwZ dI mUlI hn? suAwl: fwktrI pRYkits qoN ielwvw quhwfI AwpxI ijMdgI iv`c koeI hor ruJyvyN jW SONk vI hn ? smu`cy qOr qy quhwfI jIvn SYlI ikho ijhI hY? juAwb: mYN fwktr hox dy nwl nwl ie`k ienswn vI hW[ myrw Awpw vI qW ies smwj dw ih`sw hY[ mY ies smwj iv`c ivcridAW hoieAW ies qoN v`K ikvyN rih skdw hW? mnu`Kqw dI syvw leI kuJ krnw qW fwktr dw pihlw &rz hY hI, lok BlweI dy kMmW iv`c vI ih`sw lYxw mYN Awpxw Drm smJdw hW[ qusIN suixAw hI hovygw ijhVI kwlI vyeIN sulqwnpur nyiVEN vihMdI hY aus dw pwxI lokW dI sOVI soc dI bdOlq pRdUiSq ho cu`kw sI,ijs dI s&weI dy kMm dw bIVw smwj syvI bwbw blbIr isMG jI sIcyvwl ny cuìkAw Aqy aus dI kwr syvw dw mhW-kuMB AwrMiBAw[ mYN Aqy myry hm-iÂwl swQIAW ny ies kwrz SurU krn leI imqI 15-07-2000 ie`k v`fw iek`T kr ky bwbw jI bynqI kIqI sI[mYN vI ies kwrz iv`c qn,mn Aqy Dn nwl QoVHw bhuq Awpxw ih`sw pwieAw hY[ suAwl: kI qusIN kdy Awpxy iÂwlW j`g zwhrw krn leI swihqk jW siBAwcwrk gqI iv`DIAW dw vI shwrw ilAw hY? juAwb: quhwfy AMdr jo kuJ auCwly mwrdw hY jykr qusIN aus dUsry lokW nwl sWJw nhIN krdy qW kI &wiedw hY aus auCwly dw[ jykr quhwfy AMdrlw joS hoS nwl rl ky dUsirAW dy kMm Aw sky qW mYN smJdw hW ieh lok BlweI dw hI ie`k rUp hY[ mYN ryfIE qoN ishq,swihq,siBAwcwr Aqy vwqwvrx sbMDI pRswirq hox vwly pRogrwmW iv`c sMn 1975 qoN
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sR. suirMdr isMG jI 'kMvl' Awsmwn dI Ku`lHI iPzw iv`c Bu`Ky iF`f pRvwz Br irhw pMCI aus pMCI nwloN hzwr guxW izAwdw AwnMdq huMdw hY ijhVw ipMzry dIAW s^q sIKW ip`Cy bYTw cUrI Kw irhw huMdw hY[ Awsmwn iv`c au~fx vwly pMCI kol AwzwdI huMdI hY[ auh ijs ru`K dI tihxI 'qy cwhy bYT skdw hY,ij`Dr cwhy AwpxI mrzI nwl au~f skdw hY pr ipMzry dw kYdI pMCI ienHW g`lW qoN vWJw huMdw hY[ aus dI AwpxI koeI mrzI nhIN huMdI[ auh qW Zulwm huMdw hY Awpxy mwilk dI mrzI dw[ jdoN aus dw mwilk cwhy aus Kwx leI dyvy, jdoN cwhy aus dw ipMzrw KolH ky aus Awpxy h`QW iv`c cog cugwvy[ auh dUsry dy rihmo-krm qy pl irhw huMdw hY[ ijs ny vI AwzwdI dw rs cìKAw huMdw hY aus leI Zulwm dI izMdgI jIaUxw mOq qoN vI bdqr huMdI hY[ pMjwb vwsIAW ny Awpxy rwj dw AwnMd mwixAw sI[ Gr dI Pu`t ny Aqy Swqr idmwg fogirAW dIAW kUt cwlW ny ies pMjwb dy lokW dy gl ZulwmI dI zMjIr puvw id`qI sI[ mhwrwjw rxjIq isMG dy mrn ip`CoN aus dy kmzor vwirs ies rwj sMBwl nhIN sn sky[ pMjwb vI pUry Bwrq vWg AMgryz dw Zulwm ho ky rih igAw sI[ pMjwb dy sUrbIr Aqy isrl`Q sUrmy iPr Awzwd izMdgI jIaUx leI iqlimlw rhy sn[ Swied iehI kwrn sI ik muV AwzwdI pRwpqI dy Gol iv`c kurbwnIAW dw Anupwq dUsry lokW nwloN pMjwbIAW dw izAwdw irhw hY[ h`sdy h`sdy &WsIAW 'qy JUl jwx vwly kOmIN pRvwinAW iv`c pMjwbIAW dw Xogdwn 90% irhw hY jdo ik kul kwly pwxI dI szw Bugqx vwilAW iv`c 95% pMjwbI hI sn[ sUbw pMjwb dy Sihr qrn qwrn, ijs sRI gurU Arjn dyv jI dI crn Coh hI pRwpq nhIN sgoN ies g`l dw vI mwx hwsl hY ik ies ngrI aunHW v`loN hI vswieAw igAw sI,ie`k svqMqrqw sMgRwm dw sYnwnI s. suirMdr isMG jI 'kMvl' aumr dy 91 swl bqIq krky iesy hI Sihr iv`c invws kr irhw hY[ aus ny AwzwdI dI lVweI iv`c Awpxw Xogdwn hI nhIN pwieAw sgoN ies ielwky dy smwj syvI kwrzW iv`c vI v`D cVH ky ih`sw ilAw hY[ swfy kol A`j bhuq QoVHy Aijhy AwzwdI GulwtIey rihMdy jw rhy hn ijnHW dy sIny iv`c aus smyN dw ieiqhws dPn hY[ mYN kMvl jI nwl AwzwdI pRwpqI bwry jo crcw kIqI hY aus dw swrAMS ie`k ieMtrivaU dI Skl iv`c pwTkW nwl sWJw kr irhw hW[ swfI AjokI pIVHI ijs ny sMn 1947 qoN bwAd jnm ilAw hY auh svqMrqw sMgRwm bwry izAwdw nhIN jwxdy[ ieh crcw aunHW dy igAwn iv`c vI vwDw krygw[ pRSn: ies qoN pihlW ik mYN quhwfy nwl quhwfI izMdgI bwry crcw krW, ieh jwnxw cwhuMdw hW ik quhwfy nW nwl ijhVw aupnwm "kMvl" juiVAw hoieAw hY aus ip`Cy kI rwz hY? kI qusI swihqkwr ho jW ies aupnwm ip`Cy koeI hor kwrn hY? au~qr: jdoN swfw jmwnw sI qW skUly dsvIN jmwq iv`c pVHn vwly myry sihpwTI muMfy Awpxy nW nwl koeI nw koeI q^`ls (aupnwm) iliKAw krdy sn[ mYN audoN dsvIN jmwq
iv`c pVHdw sW jdoN mYN vI Awpxy nW nwl aupnwm vjoN 'duKI' iliKAw krdw sW[ jdoN myry ipqw jI ies bwry pqw l`gw ik mYN Awpxy nW nwl duKI aupnwm vjoN ilKdw hW qW auhnW ny mY kol bulw ky bVy ipAwr nwl ikhw," myrw pu`qr du`KI ikauN hovy? mYN cwhuMdw hW auh Pu`lW vwgUM mihky[ myrw pu`qr qW kMvl dy Pu`l vWg tihkygw[" b`s ausy idn qoN hI mYN Awpxy nwm nwl 'kMvl' Sbd aupnwm vjoN ilKxw SurU kr id`qw sI[ iehI kwrn jy myry nW nwl 'kMvl' Sbd juVn dw[ pRSn: kMvl jI, kI qusIN Awpxy bcpn Aqy Awpxy pirvwr sbMDI vyrvy myry nwl sWJy krnw psMd krogy? au~qr: myrw jnm 15 sqMbr,1920 sR. rlw isMG jI dy gRih ivKy sRImqI myhrbwn kOr jI dI ku`KoN qrn qwrn iv`c hoieAw hY[ qrn qwrn myrw nwnkw Sihr hY[ myrw jnm Awpxy nwnkw Gr iv`c hI hoieAw sI[ AsIN iqMn Brw sW[ myry Coty Brw sR. ieMdrjIq isMG dw dyhWq qW CotI aumr iv`c hI ho igAw sI jdoN ik dUsry Brw dw vI ip`Cy ijhy dyhWq ho igAw hY[ swfIAW do BYxW vI sn pr hux auh dovyN vI nhIN rhIAW[ BYx BrwvW 'coN mYN hux iek`lw hI rih igAw hW[ pRSn: kMvl jI kI qusIN AwpxI ivìdAk Xogqw bwry vI cwnxw pwE? au~qr: mYN AwpxI pRwiemrI q`k dI pVHweI sMq isMG su`Kw isMG skUl AMimRqsr qoN pRwpq kIqI hY[ iPr mYN qrn qwrn Sihr dy sRI gurU Arjn dyv Kwlsw hweI skUl iv`c dw^l ho igAw sW ij`QoN sMn 1937 iv`c mYtirk pws kIqI[ ies qoN A`gy dI pVHweI leI mYN kwlj nhIN sW jw sikAw Aqy AYP.ey. AMgryzI dI pVHweI pRweIvyt ivìdAwrQI vjoN hI kIqI hY[ igAwnI dI pRIiKAw mYN 1940 iv`c pws kIqI[ ivìdAwrQI jIvn vI izdgI dw AzIb smW huMdw hY[ mY Xwd hY myrw Cotw Brw ieMdrjIq isMG bhuq bImwr pY igAw sI[ aus vwsqy AMimRqsr dy swry srovrW dw jl ilAwaux leI Gr idAW v`loN myrI fIaUtI lweI geI[ mYN skUl coN Cu`tI ley bgYr hI AMimRqsr clw igAw[ Agly idn jdoN mYN skUl igAw qW klws tIcr ny myry koloN gYrhwzr rihx dw kwrn jwxy ibnW hI mY klws iv`c KVw kr id`qw[ sb`b nwl au~DroN hYfmwstr swihb lMG rhy sn[ mY klws iv`c KVw kIqw vyK ky auh klws iv`c Aw gey Aqy klws tIcr qoN mY KVw krn dw kwrn puìCAw[ klws tIcr ny dìsAw sI ik ieh k`lH skUl qoN gYrhwzr irhw hY[ hYfmwstr swihb ny tIcr ikhw ik aus cwhIdw sI ik auh gYrhwzr rihx dw kwrn qW pu`Cdw[ iPr A&sos nwl aunHW ny tIcr dìsAw ik ieh(suirMdr) Awpxy Coty Brw vwsqy ijhVw ik bImwr sI, AMimRqsr dy swry srovrW dw jl lYx igAw sI A`j aus dI mOq ho geI hY[ klws tIcr Awpxy kIqy 'qy bhuq A&sos hoieAw sI[ pRSn: kMvl jI, hux qusIN Awpxy ivAhuqw jIvn bwry vI kuJ g`lW swfy nwl sWJIAW krnIAW cwhvogy? au~qr: myrI SwdI SRImqI jsivMdr kOr spu`qrI lwlw kysr m`l jI sihjDwrI is`K,ijhVy ik gujrWvwlw (hux pwiksqwn) dy rihx vwly sn,nwl sMn 1940 iv`c hoeI[ myrI SwdI hox nwl vI ie`k Gtnw juVI hoeI hY[ myrw ie`k dosq sI ijhVw cwhuMdw sI ik myrI SwdI aus dI BYx nwl hovy pr aus dI mW ie`k k`tV AkwlI pirvwr dI sI[ kuJ kwrnW krky myrI SwdI au~Qy nhIN sI ho skI[ bwAd iv`c myrw ivAwh lwlw kysr m`l jI dI lVkI nwl ho igAw sI[ myrI sMqwn vjoN myry cwr lVky Aqy ie`k lVkI hY[ swry b`cy hI cMgy pVHy-ilKy hn[ myrw sB qoN v`fw lVkw inripMdr isMG M.A.(Army),M.M.S, ArivMdr kOr M.A. vwies ipRsIpl mwqw gMgw grlj kwlj qrn qwrn,gurbirMdr isMG B.A.,L.L.B AYfvokyt (ijs swry ipAwr nwl ipRMs kihdy sn Aqy ijhVw pySy p`KoN vkIl sI,aus dw vI hux dyhWq ho cu`kw hY),srbirMdr isMG B.A.,hrbirMdr isMG M.A., B.SC.,B.ED ivìdAw pRwpq hn[ kul imlw ky kih skdw hW ik myrw pirvwr ie`k suKI pirvwr hY[
pRSn: qusIN ie`k sMvqMqrqw sYnwnI vjoN jwxy jWdy ho[ kI qusIN d`sogy ik quhw dyS BgqI dI cytk ikvyN l`gI? kI ies ip`Cy koeI Gtnw sI jW iksy ivAkqI dw pRBwv ijs ny quhw ieDr Awaux leI pryirAw sI? au~qr: ijvyN ik mYN pihlW vI dìsAw hY ik swfw ipRitMg pRYs bzwr mweI syvW iv`c huMdw sI[ ieh dukwnW swfIAW AwpxIAW sn[ jdoN AkwlI jQy igRPqwrI vwsqy swfI dukwn dy AìgEN lMiGAw krdy sn qW mYN dukwn qy bYTw hoieAw Aksr hI aunHW vyiKAw krdw sW[ bzwr mweI syvW drbwr swihb AMimRqsr dy nyVy hI hY[ aunHW jìQAW iv`c joS vyK ky myrw mn vI kirAw krdw sI ik mYN vI dyS dI AwzwdI vwsqy AwpxI igR&qwrI dyvW[ ShId Bgq isMG jI jdoN PWsI l`gI sI qW mYN aus smyN cOQI iv`c pVHdw sW[ Agly idn jilHAWvwly bwZ iv`c ie`k bhuq v`fw iek`T hoieAw[ Sihr iv`coN inklx vwly jlUs iv`c vI mYN Swml hoieAw sW[ mYN vyiKAw sI ik jlUs iv`c Swml lokIN AwpxIAW CwqIAW ip`tdy sn, roNdy sn Aqy nwly ieh ZIq gwauNdy sn[ auh ZIq mY A`j vI Xwd hY:"Bwrq mwqw pukwrdI Awjw Bgq isMG ipAwirAw[ hwey! ro ro ky rwqW guzwrdI Awjw A`KW dy qwirAw[ qyeI qrIk dy sq vjy SyrW PWsI qy cwiVHAw[ hwey!sqluj dy kMFy qy jwey ky im`tI dy qyl nwl swiVAw[ hux lhU qyrw pIvWgy, PWsI qy cwVHn vwilAw[" ieh gIq A`j vI myry kMnW iv`c gUMjdw hY[ jlUs iv`c Swml mYN vI aunHW nwl ieh gIq gwauNdw huMdw sW[ myry mn iv`c Awaux vwly jzbwqW dw myry mn qy vI fwFw Asr sI ijs ny myrI soc dI muhwr ies sMgRwm iv`c ku`d jwx v`l moVI sI[ pRSn: ij`QoN q`k mYN jwxdw hW, qrn qwrn Sihr dy hI rihx vwly s. Arjn isMG jI 'gVg`j'vI svqMqrqw sMgrwm dy moFIAW iv`coN ie`k sn Aqy auh AMimRqsr qoN inklx vwly 'ikrqI' A^bwr dy AYfItr vI sn[ ieh vI ikhw jWdw hY ik ShId s. Bgq isMG jI ny aunHW nwl ies A^bwr dy d&qr iv`c vI kMMm kIqw sI[ kI quhwfw vI kdy s. Bgq isMG jI nwl myl hoieAw sI jW nhIN? jy hW qW aunHW nwl hoeI g`lbwq bwry d`so? au~qr: s. Arjn isMG 'gVg`j' qrn qwrn Sihr dy hI rihx vwly sn[ aunHW dw mkwn drbwr swihb dy nyVy hI nUrdI bzwr vwly pwsy sI[ auh sw Awpxy nwl drbwr swihb qrn qwrn dI pRkrmw iv`c lY jwieAw krdy sn Aqy dyS dI AwzwdI vwsqy jUJ rhy kOmI pRvwinAW dIAW Aqy dUsry dySW dy kRWqIkwrIAW dIAW g`lW suxwieAw krdy sn[ myrw aunHW nwl swQ aunHW dI mOq q`k irhw hY[ ieh TIk hY aunHW dy swQI vjoN s. Bgq isMG jI vI aunHW nwl ivcry sn pr mY kdy vI ShId Bgq isMG nwl imlx dw mOkw nhIN sI imilAw ikauNik aus smyN myrI aumr bhuq CotI sI[ mYN Ajy cOQI jmwq iv`c hI sW jdoN s. Bgq isMG jI &WsI ho geI sI[ pRSn: kMvl jI kI qusIN d`sogy ik AwzwdI sMgRwm iv`c quhwfw kI Xogdwn irhw hY? mYN jwnxw cwhuMdw hW qusW AwzwdI pRwpqI leI kI kIqw hY ijs dy AwDwr qy quhw svqMqrqw sYnwnI dy qOr 'qy jwixAw jWdw hY? au~qr: mYN quhw pihlW vI dìsAw hY ik bcpn iv`c jdoN AkwlI jQy drbwr swihb AMimRqsr qoN igRPqwrI leI jwieAw krdy sn qW mYN AwpxI dukwn qy bYTw aunHW vyiKAw krdw sW[ aunHW dy zoS vyK ky myrw bwl mn vI dyS dI AwzwdI iv`c kuJ krn leI mcldw rihMdw sI[ jdoN mYN jvwn ho igAw qW mYN kWgrs jmwq v`loN Bwrq mwqw dI AwzwdI leI id`qI hoeI hr kwl qy A`gy v`D ky kMm kIqw hY[ aus smyN AMgryz lVweIAW iv`c auliJAw hoieAw sI[ swfy lIfrW dI soc sI ik AsIN hux AMgryz nwl PYslwkun lVweI lVnI hY Aqy AwzwdI pRwpqI leI ieh lVweI swfI Aw^rI hovygI[ morcw Ajy l`gw nhIN sI ik ie`k idn mYN Awpxy ipqw jI ikhw,"ipqw jI mYN vI AwzwdI sMgRwm iv`c igRPqwrI dyxI hY[" aunHW dw kihxw sI ik "pu`qrw! ieh hI smW hY svwh qoN sonw bxwaux dw[ jykr izMdgI iv`c qUM kuJ kmwauxw cwhuMdw eyN qW inT ky kMm v`l iDAwn dy[" mYN aunHW
dI ies dlIl nwl sihmq nw huMidAW hoieAW ikhw sI,"ipqw jI, izMdgI iv`c pYsy kmwaux dy mOky qW bhuq iml jwxgy pr dyS leI kuJ krn dw mOkw vwr vwr nhIN l`Bxw[ dyS leI kuJ krn dI id`qI hoeI kwl qW roz roz nhIN AwauxI[" myrw idRV inscw vyK ky aunHW dw jvwb sI, "TIk Aw, mYN qY ie`k Srq qy iezwjq dy skdw hW[ qUM muAw&I mMg ky nhIN AwvyNgw[ jykr muAw&I mMg ky AwieAw qW mYN qY kdy vI muAw& nhIN krWgw[ sgoN szw dyvWgw Aqy GroN byd^l kr dyvWgw[" pRSn: mYN jwxdw hW ik Sihr qrn qwrn iv`c quhwfw ipMRitMg prYs "pMjwb kumrSl prYs" hY[ kI qusIN AwzwdI sMgrwm smyN ies lok cyqnw vwsqy Cpx vwly pricAW leI vI vrqdy sI? myrw Bwv hY ik quhwfy pRYs qoN kRWqIkwrI swihq dI vI pRkwSnw huMdI sI jW ieh quhwfy ruzgwr dw hI swDn irhw hY? au~qr: myry ipqw jI ny ieh ipRMitMg pRYs AMimRqsr Sihr iv`c 07 julweI,1906 lwieAw sI[ aus smyN AMimRqsr iv`c kyvl iqMn hI pRYs sn ijnHW 'coN ie`k ieh vI sI[ ies pRYs qoN BweI rlw isMG AYNf sMnz dy nW hyTW hI pRkwSnw huMdI sI[ AMimRqsr qoN qrn qwrn pRYs qbdIl krn ip`Cy v`fw kwrn ieh sI ik myry ipqw jI rozwnw hI qrn qwrn qoN AMimRqsr pRYs dy kwrobwrI islsly iv`c jwxw pYNdw sI[ AÎr &Yslw hoieAw ik ies roz dI B`j n`T qoN Cutkwrw pwieAw jwvy[ AMimRqsr kmw ky qrn qwrn ilAw ky Kwx iv`c vI qW koeI quk nhIN hY[ jW qW AMimRqsr iSPt kr ilAw jwvy jW iPr pRYs hI qrn qwrn iSPt kr ilAw jwvy[ aus smyN mYN dsvIN jmwq pws kr leI sI Aqy mYN vI roz hI ipqw jI nwl AMimRqsr jwieAw krdw sW[rozwnw AMimRqsr jwx Awaux iv`c mY vI Qkwvt ho jWdI sI Aqy mY isr drd hox l`g pYNdI sI[ bwAd iv`c AsIN ieh pRYs 08 meI,1938 qrn qwrn Sihr iv`c lw ilAw sI[ pRYs dw swry kMm dI dyKBwl myry ipqw jI hI krdy sn[ swfy pRYs qy izAwdw krky CpweI ieSiqhwr Awid dI huMdI sI,ijhVI ik swfy ruzgwr dw vsIlw sI[ myry ipqw jI ny Swied ieh 1906 dI g`l hI hY, ie`k p`qrkw ijs dw nW sI "pMjwb kysrI" Cwpxw SurU kIqw sI ijs iv`c srkwr ivroDI mswlw C`pdw huMdw sI[ ies dy iqMn ku AMk hI Cpy sn ik swfy irSqydwrW dy kihx qy ipqw jI ny ies bMd kr id`qw sI[ s`c qW iehI hY ik ieh izAwdw krky swfI rozI rotI dw vsIlw hI sI[ kRWqIkwrI swihq dI CpweI bwry mYN khWgw nhIN[ pRSn: kI qusIN AwpxIAW isAwsI gqIiv`DIAW bwry vI cwnxw pwvogy? au~qr: sMn 1938 iv`c mYN Br jvwnI iv`c sW Aqy myrI aumr vI ATwrW swl dI ho geI sI[ myry AMdr vI dyS ipAwr dw jzbw TwTW mwrdw sI[ jdoN vI jlsy jlUs inkldy vyKdw huMdw sW qW myrw mn vI dyS leI kuJ krn leI au~sl v`ty lYdw rihMdw sI[ iesy swl (1938 eI:) iv`c hI AkwlI jQw qrn qwrn srkl dw jnrl sk`qr bixAw[ jdoN q`k AkwlI dl dw ivBwjn nhIN sI ho igAw mYN AkwlI dl dw fYlIgyt irhw[ aus smyN hr AkwlI,kWgrs pwrtI dw mYNbr vI huMdw sI[ AzwdI sMgRwm bwry sw pihlW qW koeI izAwdw jwxkwrI nhIN sI huMdI pr jdoN AsIN jylH iv`c sW qW s. Bgq isMG jI ShId dy ausqwd jY dyv ivìdAw AlMkwr jylH iv`c swfI klws lwieAw krdy sn Aqy sw dunIAW dy kRWqIkwrI AMdolnW dIAW g`lW suxwieAw krdy sn[ mYN hor qW izAwdw kMm nhIN kr sikAw pr kWgrs pwrtI dy hr bulwvy qy hr kMm qn,mn Aqy Dn nwl Swml ho ky kMm kIqw hY[ myrI Xwd SkqI Anuswr Swied sMn 1940 iv`c 'bulMd Sihr' iv`c AkwlI kwnPrMs bulweI geI sI[ sw vI aus iv`c Swml hox dw s`dw imilAw sI Aqy nwl hI dìsAw igAw sI au~Qy golI vI c`l skdI hY, lwTIcwrz vI ho skdw hY, sMgInW nwl ivMnHy vI jw skdy ho[ ijs dw mn mMndw hY Swml hovy[ jdoN AsIN au~Qy phuMcy sW qW ispwhI bdUMkW qwx ky KVy sn[ mYN aus kwnPrMs iv`c Swml hoieAw sW Aqy jlUs dI pihlI kqwr iv`c sW[ aus smyN au~Qy AihrwrIAW dw bVw zor sI[ koeI vI duKWqk Gtnw Gt
skdI sI[ Sihr iv`c d&w 144 l`gI hoeI sI[ au~Qy mwstr qwrw isMG jI vI phuMcy sn[ srkwr ny mOky dI nzwkq smJidAW hoieAw d&w 144 cu`k id`qI sI Aqy Amn iemwn nwl AkwlI kwnPrMs ho geI sI[ 16 Agsq, 1942 kWgrs dI AzwdI lihr ny kro jW mro (Do or Die) dw nwhrw id`qw sI ijs qihq mYN AwpxI igR&qwrI id`qI sI Aqy iklHw goibMdgVH,sb jylH AMimRqsr,Elf sYNtrl jylH mulqwn,bostl jylH lwhOr,sb jylH Swhpur Aqy iPr Elf sYNtrl jylH mulqwn iv`c kYd irhw[ do swl dI kYd k`tx auprMq hI mY irhw kIqw igAw sI[ sMn 1944 iv`c kWgrs v`loN bxweI geI kWgrs AsYNblI pwrtI dw mY ijlHw mIq pRDwn QwipAw igAw Aqy ausy swl hI kWgrs kmytI qrn qwrn dw jnrl sk`qr vI bxw id`qw igAw sI[ pRSn: kMvl jI, sMn 1947 iv`c jdoN Bwrq-pwk vMf hoeI sI qW qusIN Br jvwnI iv`c sI[ auh smW vI bVw iBAwnk smW sI[ ihMdU-muslmwn &swd Awm ho rhy sn[ ies smyN quhwfw rol ikho ijhw irhw hY? au~qr: ieh vyK ky mY bVw du`K huMdw sI ik auh lok ijnHW dw rotI bytI dw irSqw sI ikauN eyfI CyqI ie`k dUsry dy lhU dy ipAwsy ho gey sn[ kqlo Zwrd dw dOr sI[ bhU bytIAW dI Asmq lu`tI jw rhI sI[ ienHW hlwqW 'qy kwbU pwaux leI qrn qwrn Sihr iv`c srkwr ny ie`k pIs kmytI,ifPYNs kmytI Aqy SrnwrQIAW dy vsyby dw pRbMD krn vwsqy ijhVIAW kmytIAW bxweIAW geIAW sn mYN aunHW iv`c qndyhI nwl idn rwq kMm kIqw[ ieh d`sxw cwhvWgw ik ijhVI Sihr dI pIs kmytI bxweI geI sI aus iv`c iqMn ihMdU,iqMn muslmwn Aqy iqMn is`K kmytI dy mYNbrW vjoN ley gey sn[ ies pIs kmytI iv`c ienHW iqMn is`KW 'coN ie`k mYN vI sW[ AsIN swirAW ny aus iBAwnk smyN ieh ksmW KwDIAW sn ik qrn qwrn Sihr iv`c koeI KuUn Krwbw nhIN hox dyxw[ qrn qwrn dw ijhVw ieh BweIcwrw hY ies nhIN tu`tx dyxw[ ieh rIkwrf hY ik qrn qwrn Sihr iv`c iksy vI muslmwn dw KuUn nhIN sI fuìlHAw[ AsIN aunHW eyQoN surìKAq qoirAw sI[ ie`k hor g`l ijhVI mYN quhwfy nwl sWJI krnw cwhuMdw hW, auh ieh ik mY ikhw igAw sI ik mYN koeI is`K jQybMdI bxwvW[ mYN Sihr dy do sO qoN v`D nOjvwnW dI ie`k "Akwl rYzmYNt" bxweI ijs bMdUkW dy ky jbovwl qoN imltrI tryinMg id`qI geI sI[ pRSn: qusIN iks pwrtI iv`c dyS syvw dw kMm kIqw hY? myrw Bwv hY ik qusIN bqOr kWgrsI vrkr jwxy jWdy ho ik AkwlI? au~qr: SurU SurU iv`c qW mYN AkwlI hI sW[ aus vyly hr AkwlI,kWgrsI vI huMdw sI[ Sihr iv`c ie`k mIitMg hoeI sI ijs iv`c mY AkwlI pwrtI dw jnrl sk`qr cuixAw igAw sI[ mIitMg iv`coN hI iksy ny ikhw sI ik ieh qW kWgrsI hY ies kWgrs dw jnrl sk`qr ikauN cuxdy ho? mhwSw goibMd rwm jI ijhVy ik aus mIitMg iv`c hwzr sn,ny ikhw sI ik mOkw Awvygw jdoN ieh kWgrsI hI hovygw[ sMn 1950 iv`c jdoN pwrtI vMf hoeI sI qW AkwlI hweI kmWf ny ieh PYslw kIqw sI ik ijnHW ny dyS syvw dw kMm krnw hY auh kWgrs iv`c cly jwvo Aqy ijnHW ny pMQ dI syvw krnI hY auh AkwlI pwrtI iv`c rih jwvo[ aus smyN swfy izlHy dy 34 fYlIgyt sn[ audoN fYlIgyt cuxy jWdy sn, aunHW dI nOmInySn(Nomination) nhIN sI huMdI[ sMn 1951-52 iv`c jdoN sRv SRI prqwp isMG jI kYroN,jQydwr aUDm isMG jI nwgoky,igAwnI gurmuK isMG jI muswPr,eISr isMG jI mJYl Aqy drSn isMG jI PyrUmwn ny SRomxI AkwlI dl iv`coN Awpxy AsqIPy id`qy sn qW AMimRqsr izlHy dy kul 34 fYlIgytW iv`coN 32 fYlIgyt aunHW nwl kWgrs iv`c cly gey sn ijnHW iv`coN ie`k mYN vI sW[ audoN qoN hI AkwlI dl Alivdw kih ky mYN p`ky qOr qy kWgrs pwrtI iv`c Swml ho igAw sW[ sMn 1956 iv`c jdoN srb ihMd kWgrs dw iejlws hoieAw sI qW mYN aus iv`c 100 kWgrs syvw dl dy vwlMtIArz lY ky Swml hoieAw[ mYN kWgrs pRDwn hwaUs dy ieMncwrz vjoN vI syvw inBweI hY[ mYN pMjwb pRdyS kWgrs dw mYNbr vI irhw hW[
pRSn: lok syvw krn dw jzbw quhwfy AMdr hY[ kI qusI Awpxy ielwky dy Bly leI vI koeI kwrz kIqw hY ? au~qr: ie`Qy ieh g`l d`sdw jwvW ik mY ivìdAw dy kwrzW nwl idloN ipAwr hY[ ies kMm leI mYN hr vyly q`qpr rihMdw hW[ mY ies g`l dw mwx hY ik sMn 1950 iv`c sRI gurU Arjn dyv Kwlsw grlz borifMg hwaUs dw nINh p`Qr r`Kx dw suBwg mY pRwpq hoieAw hY[ A`j ijs iblifMg iv`c sRI gurU Arjn dyv srkwrI kwlj hY pihlW ies iv`c sRI gurU Arjn dyv Kwlsw skUl huMdw sI[ ies skUl dy bwnIN BweI swihb BweI mohn isMG jI vYd sn[ auh swrI aumr ies dy sk`qr Aqy mYnyjr rhy hn[ mYN ijs skUl dw dsvIN q`k ividAwrQI irhw hW, aus dy mYN mYnyjr Aqy sk`qr dy Ahudy qy rih ky 25 swl q`k syvw inBweI hY[ mOjUdw sRI gurU Arjn dyv Kwlsw skUl dI iemwrq bwAd iv`c iqAwr krky ies do-mMizlw bxwky ies dI dUsrI mMizl qy 90 Pu`t X 38 Pu`t dw hwl vI bxvwieAw hY[ mYN ies sMsQw dI 1950eI: qoN 1975 q`k bqOr AwnryrI mYnyjr syvw vI kIqI hY[ ies qoN ielwvw sRI gurU Arjn dyv grlz imfl skUl(1939),mwqw gMgw grlz kwlj(1963),sRI gurU Arjn dyv kwlj(1966),sRI gurU hrikRSn pbilk skUl(1974),sRI gurU Arjn dyv pbilk skUl(1983) qoN ielwvw sRI gurU hrikRSn pbilk skUl,burj mrhwxw,Awsl auqwV,Jbwl Aqy GsItpurw dy bwnIAW iv`c myrw nwm boldw hY[ mwqw gMgw grlz kwlj dI iblifMg vwsqy mwieAw iek`qr krn leI Awpxy hm-iÂwl swQIAW nwl mlwieAw,isMgwpur Aqy QweIlYNf Awpxy ^rcy qy jw ky iemwrq leI mwieAw iek`TI krn dw auprwlw kIqw hY[ ieh g`l nhIN ik mYN kyvl ivìdAk sMsQwvW nwl hI juiVAw irhw hW[ mYN Dwrimk kwrz ^yqr iv`c vI v`D cVH ky ih`sw ilAw hY[ smyN smyN mY ienHW AwSrmW/BvnW dI syvw iv`c vI ih`sw lYx dw Avsr imilAw hY[ Kwlsw pRcwrk ividAwlw qrn qwrn,Kwlsw sYNtrl hspqwl qrn qwrn, BweI vIr isMG ibrD Gr qrn qwrn,sR.cYn isMG gMF mYmorIAl trst dw sk`qr,kWgrs Bvn trst qrn qwrn dw cyArmYn,sRI gurU qyZ bhwdr iqMn sO swlw ShIdI kmytI dy knvInr vjoN vI syvw krn dw mOkw imilAw hY[ pRSn: kI quhw swihqk m`s vI rhI hY? au~qr: jdoN mYN jylH iv`c sW qW Asw A^bwr pVHn vwsqy nhIN sI id`qw jWdw[ aus smyN A^bwr dI kImq ie`k Awnw huMdI sI[ AsIN rl ky ie`k rupey dIAW A^bwrW KrIddy Aqy bYrkW dy ieMncwrz swQI aunHW pVH ky AwpxI AwpxI bYrk dy kYdI swQIAW rwq smyN suxwieAw krdy sn[ jylH iv`c mY ie`k ikqwb pVHn leI imlI ijhVI ik pMifq jvwhr lwl nihrU jI dy jIvn bwry sI[ auh ikqwb ihMdI il`pI iv`c sI[ mYN ihMdI jwxdw nhIN sW[ jylH iv`c hI ie`k s`jx sn ijhVy pRIq ngr v`l dy sI[ auh ihMdI jwxdw sI[ mYN aus ikhw ik auh mY ihMdI pVHnI isKw dyvy[ aus ny mY ihMdI pVHnI isKweI sI Aqy mYN AiBAws krky ihMdI pVHn l`g ipAw[ mYN Awpxy mn iv`c socdw huMdw sI ik AijhIAW khwxIAW pMjwbI BwSw iv`c ikauN nhIN ilKIAW jWdIAW[ jylH qoN vwips Awaux 'qy mYN ihMdI BwSw dw hor AiBAws krky ihMdI BwSw dIAW khwxIAW dw Anuvwd krdw irhw hW[ audoN mYN ihMdI dy mYgzIn 'mwieAw' Aqy 'mnohr khwxIAW'bVy SONk nwl piVHAw krdw sW[ mYN ihMdI khwxIAW dw Anuvwd krky keI swlW q`k hr mhIny Cpx vwsqy Byjdw irhw sW[AMimRqsr qoN s. jgmIq isMG jI "kMvl" nW dw ie`k rswlw k`Fdy huMdy sn[ auh myry im`qr sn[ mYN AwpxIAW aulQweIAW hoeIAW khwxIAW aus rswly iv`c Cpx leI Byjdw irhw hW[ lwhOr qoN Cpx vwly mYgzIn "pRIqm" iv`c vI myrIAW khwxIAW C`pdIAW rhIAW hn[ ieh SONk hOlI hOlI v`Ddw igAw[ iPr myrw ruJwn dyS BgqI dIAW khwxIAW v`l muiVAw[ mYN dyS BgqI dIAW khwxIAW ikqwb rUp dyx dw auprwlw kIqw, ijs dw mu`K bMd s. nirMdr isMG jI 'soc' ny iliKAw sI ijhVy ik s. hrBjn isMG jI 'soc' dy ipqw
jI sn[ myrI dUsrI ikqwb sI 'srv suMdrI'[ jdoN mYN aus ikqwb Cpvwaux leI pbilSr kol igAw qW sb`b nwl au~Qy s. jsvMq isMG jI kMvl vI Awey hoey sn[ aus dukwndwr ny jsvMq isMG jI 'kMvl' sMboiDq hMuidAW hoieAw ikhw sI,"kMvl jI, swfy kol vI ie`k kMvl hYgw jy[" ies qrHW pihlI vwr myrI mulwkwq s. jsvMq isMG 'kMvl' jI nwl hoeI sI[ myrIAW kuJ Anuvwidq pusqkW dw vyrvw ies qrHW hY: ibKVw pYNfw,lwl pMjw,srb suMdrI,twrzn Aqy imRqU ikrn(cwr BwgW iv`c)[ s&Yd SYqwn (cwr Bwg) Aqy lwtW myrIAw AxCpIAW pusqkW iv`c Swml hn[ myry kol ijhVIAW ikqwbW dy KrVy pey hn mYN aunHW Cwpx dw iÂwl hI C`f id`qw hY[ kOx pYsy lw ky iPr rupeIAw rupeIAw iek`Tw krdw iPry[ hux mYN ilKx jW Cwpx dw iÂwl hI mn iv`coN k`F id`qw hY[ ishq Aqy aumr vI iezwjq nhIN idMdI[ aumr vI 91 swl dI ho geI hY[ pRSn: svqMqrqw sYnwnI Aqy smwj syvw mu`K r`K ky kI quhw kdy srkwr jW iksy sMsQw v`loN snmwinAw vI igAw hY jW nhIN? au~qr: sMn 1972 iv`c ieMdrw jI rUs dyS dy dOry qy gey sn[ aunHW ny au~Qy vyiKAw ik aus dyS iv`c zuJwrUAW (War Heros) au~Qy bhuq mwx snmwn imldw hY[ aunHW hotlW 'c Kwxw &rI, b`sW iv`c s&r &rI, ryl iv`c s&r PrI krn dI shUlq pRwpq hY[ jdoN auh vwips Awey qW aunHW dy mn iv`c vI ieh rIJ sI mYN vI Awpxy dyS dy AwzwdI GulwtIAW ieh sB shUlqW dyvW[ igAwnI jYl isMG jI mu`K mMqrI pMjwb dy smyN sMn 1974 iv`c srkwr v`loN mY &rIfm PweItr dy qOr qy qwmr p`qr dy ky snmwinAw igAw sI[ sB qoN v`fw snmwn ijhVw mYN smJdw hW mY imilAw hY Aqy A`j vI iml irhw hY auh hY lokW dw ipAwr[ Sihr dy hI kI myry ielwky dy lok A`j vI myrw snmwn krdy hn[ mYN lokW vwsqy jIivAw hW[ 9 Agsq,2007 mOjUdw rwStrpqI sRImqI pRiqBw pwitl jI ny dyS dy svqMqrqw sYnwnIAW bulwieAw sI ijs iv`c hr ie`k pRWq iv`coN iqMn iqMn AzwdI GulwtIAW s`dw imilAw sI[ pMjwb iv`coN AnMdpur swihb, iProjpur Aqy qrn qwrn qoN jwx dw suBwg mY pRwpq hoieAw hY[ aunHW v`loN swfw snmwn kIqw igAw sI[ TIk hY jIaUNdy jIA PrIfm PweItrz snmwinAw jWdw hY pr ijhVw snmwn aunHW imlxw cwhIdw hY jW auh ijs snmwn dy h`kdwr hn auh aunHW nhIN iml irhw[ aunHW ny dyS dI AwzwdI vwsqy Gr bwhr C`f ky,AMgryz srkwr dw qS`dd sih ky Aqy inrsvwrQ ho ky ies Gol iv`c Awpxw Xogdwn pwieAw hY[ jykr koeI Asr rwsU^ vwlw mr jWdw hY qW aus qW gwrf AwP Awnr id`qw jWdw hY[ rweIPlW dy Pwier krky slwmI id`qI jWdI hY pr ie`k svqMqrqw sYnwnI koeI Aijhw snmwn nhIN imldw[ izAwdw krky qW auh AxgOilAw hI qur jWdw hY[ pRSn: kI qusIN AijhI Gtnw,jdoN AwzwdI pRwpqI leI swry hI dyS pRymI jUJ rhy sn,quhwfy jIvn iv`c vwprI hovy ijhVI quhw A`j vI Xwd Awaux 'qy quhwfy mn iv`c rsk Br idMdI hovy sWJI krogy? au~qr: s. guridAwl isMG jI iF`loN dI ielYkSn dy sbMD iv`c jdoN ieMdrw gWDI jI ny pMjwb dw dOrw kIqw sI qW auh Sihr qrn qwrn iv`c Awey sn[ aunHW ny drbwr swihb qrn qwrn m`Qw tykx jwxw sI[ iF`loN swihb ny drbwr swihb dy AMdr dy swry pRbMD dI izmyvwrI mY sONpI sI[ surìKAw dy iÂwl iDAwn iv`c r`KidAW hoieAW AsIN ieMdrw jI mu`K bwzwr dI bjwey ij`Dr lMgr hwl hY aus rsqy qoN AMdr lY ky gey sW[ drbwr swihb dI pRkrmw iv`c iF`loN swihb ny ieMdrw jI ikhw,"mYfm jI,ieh kMvl jI hn[ ieh myry Coty Brw hn pr quhwfy ieh kuVm l`gdy hn[" ieh g`l sux ky hYrwn huMdy hoey ieMdrw jI J`t bol pey sn,"vuh kYsy?" jvwb iv`c iF`loN swihb ny aunHW dìsAw sI ik kMvl jI mynkw gWDI dy mwmw jI lgdy hn[ ies qoN ip`CoN ieMdrw jI ijMnw smW vI drbwr swihb rhy myry nwl hI g`lW krdy rhy sn[ ie`k pwsy KloqIAW AOrqW v`l ieSwrw kridAW hoieAw mYN ieMdrw jI dìsAw sI ik au~Dr myry mwqw jI KVy hn[ auh swrIAW
jnwnIAW iv`coN dI huMdy hoey myrI mwqw jI kol phuMc gey sn Aqy aunHW Awpxy klwvy iv`c lY ilAw sI[ Awpxyy jIvn dI ieh ABu`l Gtnw A`j vI mYN jdoN Xwd krdw hW qW swrw sIn myrIAW A`KW A`gy GuMm jWdw hY Aqy myrI CwqI mwx nwl cOVI ho jWdI hY[ pRSn: kMvl jI qusW ie`k lMmw jIvn jIivAw hY[ svqMqrqw sMgRwm iv`c vI qusI ie`k jUJwrU dI qrHW ivcry ho[ g`l kI qusI jIvn dw hr rMg vyiKAw hY[ kI qusIN A`j dy nOjvwnW koeI sunyhw dyxw cwhogy? au~qr: mYN qW bìcAW iehI khWgw,ijhVw ik mYN swrI aumr kihMdw AwieAw hW[ hmySW ieh skUlW kwljW iv`c kihMdw AwieAw hW ik bìcE,is`K bxo pr sB qoN pihlW BwrqI bxo[ swfy bìcAW iv`c niSAw dw ruJwn idno idn v`Ddw jw irhw hY[ bìcE nSy C`fo[ jykr nSy C`fogy qW hI quhwfw jIvn bxnw jy[ A`j jo dyS dI hwlq hY, ijhVw inGwr dyS iv`c Aw irhw hY aus iv`c niSAW dw v`fw h`Q hY[ pwiksqwn AwpxI lVweI ij`qx vwsqy keI qrHW dy nSy swfy dyS dy nOjvwnW iv`c vMf irhw hY qW jo Bwrq dw nOjvwn niSAW iv`c l`g jwvy Aqy dyS kmzor ho jwvy[ nOjvwnw nOkrIAW nw imlx krky aunHW dw ruJwn glq pwsy v`l jw irhw hY[ mYN ie`k g`l hor kihxw cwhvWgw[ audoN rwjIv gWDI jI pRDwn mMqrI sn Aqy swfw fYlIgySn aunHW imlx id`lI igAw sI[ g`lbwq hox ip`CoN jdoN AsIN cwh dI tybl 'qy gey qW mYN soicAw ik cwh qW roz hI pINdy rhIdw hY, ikauN nw rwjIv jI nwl Awpxy pMjwb dI hwlq bwry vI kuJ crcw kIqI jwvy[ mYN rwjIv jI ikhw sI, "rwjIv jI, kI quhw pqw hY ik AzwdI pRwpq krn leI &WsIAW qy cVHx vwilAW 'coN 90% pMjwbI &WsIAW 'qy JUly hn[ kwly pwxI dI szw Bugqx vwilAW iv`c 95% pMjwbIAW sn[ AslI g`l hY pMjwbIAW ny rwj kIqw hY[ aunHW ny rwj dw suAwd cìKAw hY[ gulwm rihxw aunHW dy KUn iv`c nhIN[ jdoN AMgryzW dw pMjwb au~qy kbzw ho igAw sI qW aus smyN pMjwb dy gvrnr ny &Oj dw ru`Kw vqIrw vyK ky Awpxw AsqI&w dy id`qw sI[ vwiesrwey dy ey.fI.sI kinMGm ny gvrnr ic`TI ilKI sI ik pMjwbIAW &Oj iv`c BrqI kr[ ienHW nOkrIAW idau[ rwjIv jI, pMjwbI hI Bwrq dI ^Vg-Bujw hn[ ieh hI dyS dy AslI ArQW iv`c rìKAk hn[ ienHW nOkrIAW idau[ nOjvwnW ruzgwr idau[ kMvl jI nwl AwzwdI dy Gol sbMDI, aunHW dy jIvn sbMDI, aunHW dy pRIvwrk ruJyivAW sbMDI, aunHW dIAW dyS pRqI BwvnwvW sbMDI, aunHW dI nOjvwnW pRqI soc sbMDI jwx ky l`gdw sI ijvyN mYN ie`k smuMdr iv`c qr irhw hovW[ aunHW AMdrlw kMvl mY aunHW dI 91 swl dI aumr iv`c vI qro-qwzw mihk Aqy tihk irhw pRqIq huMdw sI[ ijauN ijauN auh dyS AwzwdI dIAW g`lW krdy jWdy sn aunHW dw ichrw lwl huMdw jWdw sI[ mY ieMj jwpx l`gw sI ijvyN huxy hI aunHW dy AMdrlw suirMdr isMG kMvl bol au~Tygw, "sr &roSI kI qmMnw Ab hmwry idl myN hY[ dyKnw hY zor ikqnw bwzU-ey-kwiql myN hY[ vkq Awny py bqw dyNgy quJy AY! AwsmW, hm ABI sy kXw bqweyN kXw hmwry idl myN hY[" swfy pIx vwsqy ijhVI cwh ilAWdI geI sI auh vI peI peI TMFI ho geI sI[ mYN socdw sW ik cwh qW roz hI pINdy rhIdw hY,Aijhw ienswn ijs dy idl iv`c A`j vI dyS ipAwr dw swZr TwTW mwr irhw hY kdoN roz roz imldw hY[ vwihgurU A`gy Ardws hY ik auh kMvl jI hor lMmI aumr b^Sy qW jo AsIN aunHW dI bohV vrgI TMFI Aqy im`TI CW hyTW AwnMd mwxdy rhIey Aqy AwzwdI sMgRwm dw ieh sYnwnI swfw mwrg drSn krdw rhy[ AmIn! ***
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p`qrkwr koloN ies bwry leI hoeI AMdrlI-bwhrlI jwxkwrI ie`k ieMtrivaU rUp iv`c pwTkW swhmxy pyS kr irhw hW ijs dw swrAMS ieMj hY:suAwl: p`qrkwr sR. jI quhwfw kI nwm hY? juAwb: myrw nwm jsmyl isMG 'cIdw' hY[ suAwl: qusIN Awpxy nW nwl ijhVw aupnwm vjoN Sbd 'cIdw' ilKdy ho kI ieh quhwfw q^`ls hY jW koeI hor g`l hY ? ies bwry cwnxw pwE[ juAwb: ieh cIdw Sbd myry ipMf dw nW hY jo mYN Awpxy nW nwl ilKdw hW[ suAwl: cIdw jI kI qusIN Awpxy jnm Aqy pRIvwr sbMDI vyrvy swihq d`sogy? juAwb: 'qIr' jI, myrw jnm imqI 17 jUn,1952 s. blvMq isMG jI dy gRih iv`Ky mwqw inrMjn kOr jI dI ku`KoN ipMf 'cIdw',ijhVw ik izlHw PrIdkot iv`c pYNdw hY hoieAw[ AsIN iqMn Brw hW Aqy myrIAW iqMn hI BYxW hn,ijhVIAW ik swrIAW hI mYQoN v`fIAW hn[ myry dovyN hI Brw mYQoN Coty sn[ ie`Qy ieh d`sidAW hoieAW idl iv`c ru`g ijhw BirAw jWdw hY ik auh dovyN hI ivcwry Zurbq dI blI cVH gey sn[pYsy dI QuVH kwrn aunHW dw cMgI qrHW ielwj vI nhIN ho sikAw[myry ipqw jI vI do Brw sn[ suAwl: kI qusIN AwpxI ivìdAk Xogqw bwry d`sidAW hoieAW ieh vI d`sogy ik qusIN kdoN kdoN Aqy ik`QoN ik`QoN ivìdAw pRwpq kIqI? juAwb: mYN dsvIN q`k dI pVHweI srkwrI hweI skUl bMbIhw BweI qoN pRwpq kIqI hY jdoN ik au~c ivìdAw leI mYN brijMdrw kwlj kot kpUrw,izlHw PrIdkot iv`c igAw sI pr kuJ kwrnw krky mYN AwpxI pVHweI zwrI nhIN sW r`K sikAw Aqy mY ieh A`Dvwty hI C`fxI peI sI[ suAwl: kI qusIN d`sogy ik quhwfy mu`Fly jIvn iv`c quhwfI GrylU AwriQk ikho jyhI sI? juAwb: kihMdy hn ik jdoN iksy vkIl kol jwvo jW fwktr kol jwvo qW sw& sw& Aqy s`c hI kihxw cwhIdw hY[ A`j qusIN vI Adwlq lweI hoeI hY[ Adwlq iv`c qW pihlW shuM cukweI jWdI hY ik jo khWgw s`c khWgw, s`c dy svwey kuJ nhIN khWgw[ mYN ibnw kihxdy hI ieh Aihd krdw hW ik quhwfy swry suAwlW dy juAwb s`co s`c dyvWgw[ ies iv`c koeI S`k nhIN ik jdoN mYN Ajy Cotw hI sW qW GrylU hwlwq izAwdw cMgI nhIN sI[ Gr iv`c Zurbq dw Awlm sI[ mY ieh kihx qoN vI koeI Zuryj nhIN ik 'fWg 'qy fyry' vwlI hwlwq sI[bySk ie`k pwsy ieh hwlq sI qW ies dw mukwblw krn leI pRIvwrk soc kw&I bulMd sI[ mn iv`c hr vyly ieh hI soc rihMdI sI ik ies qoN v`D hor kI ZrIbI ho jwvygI[ mro jW kro vrgw jzbw pRDwn sI[ smucy qOr 'qy ieh kih skdy hW ik q^q jW q^qw hI hr vyly idl folx nhIN sI idMdw[ suAwl: jdoN koeI ienswn AijhI siQ`qI 'coN guzr irhw huMdw hY qW Swed ieh kudrq dw hI AsUl hY ik koeI nw koeI Aijhw ieswn vI huMdw hY ijhVw ies Bvjl 'coN byVw pwr lwaux dw swDn bxdw hY[ kI quhwfy pRIvwr iv`c vI koeI Aijhw AwdmI sI ijhVw ies pRIvwr leI pRyrnw sroq bixAw hoey jW ijs qusI A`g Awaux vwlI izMdgI dw rwh dsyrw mMinAw hovy? juAwb: qusIN TIk ikhw hY[ Aijhw ie`k ienswn swfy pRIvwr iv`c sI, ijs ny swry pRIvwr dw idSw inrdyS krky A`gy v`Dx leI mwrg drSn kIqw sI[ auh sI myyry qwieAw, s. dIdwr isMG jI ijhVy ik kimaUinst pwrtI sI.pI.AweI (C.P.I)dy srkrdw mYNbr sn[ aunHW dI AwpxI koeI sMqwn nhIN sI[ mY aunHW ny Awpxw mqvMnw bxw ilAw sI[ ies qrHW mY aunHW dI CW hyTW plx dw Avsr imilAw sI[ aunHW dI sWJIvwlqw dI soc dw myry mn qy fwFw pRBwv ipAw sI[ aunHW dy ies isAwsI ^yqr iv`c ivcrn krky Awm krky ies pwrtI nwl sbMDq vrkr Aqy dUsry krkun Gr iv`c AwauNdy-jWdy rihMdy sn[ aunHW dIAW hox vwlIAW mIitMgW iv`c ivcwry jwx vwly msilAW dI qoV-mroV dw myry mn qy bhuq pRBwv pYNdw sI[ aunHW dw ielwky iv`c bhuq mwx siqkwr sI[ auh Gr iv`c grIbI dw bolbwlw huMidAW hoieAW vI auh C.P.I pwrtI dI itkt qy hlkw bwGw purxw qoN sMn 1962
iv`c pMjwb ivDwn sBw dI cox lVy sn Aqy AYm.AYl.ey cuxy gey sn[ s`c qW ieh hY ik auh myry leI myrI Awaux vwlI izdgI leI myry isAwsI gurU sn[ suAwl: qusIN pRIvwr smyq A`j k`lH qrn qwrn rih rhy ho, jdoN ik quhwfw jnm AsQwn qW quhwfy d`sx Anuswr cIdw ipMf hY[ quhw Awpxy ipMf qoN ikhVy kwrnW krky ihzrq kr ie`Qy Awauxw ipAw? juAwb: qIr jI, ieh vI ie`k lMmI khwxI hY[ ieh TIk hY ik cIdw ipMf iv`c myrw jnm hoieAw sI pr Asl iv`c cIdw vI swfw pihlw ipMf nhIN hY[ swfy v`fy vfyirAW 'coN myry dwdw sR. crn isMG jI sUbydwr ipMf '^rV A`Crvwl' ijhVw izlHw huiSAwrpur iv`c hY rihMdy sn[ aus smyN ieh cMgw KWdw-pINdw pRIvwr sI[ BilAW simAW iv`c aunHW kol sB kuJ sI[ isAwxy kihMdy hn jdoN mwVy idn SurU huMdy hn qW auh Awpxy nwl hor keI musIbqW lY ky AwauNdy hn[ swfy Gr corI ho geI sI Aqy cor swrw gihxw-g`tw lY gey sn[ CyqI jI myry dwdw-dwdI jI vI vihgurU ipAwry ho gey[ myry qwieAw jI Aqy myry ipqw jI iek`ly rih gey sn[ Gr iv`c Zurbq dw dOr SurU ho igAw sI[ swfy hI ipMf dw vsnIk bUV isMG ijhVw ik Awm krky corIAW fwikAW dw kMm krdw sI, aus dw ipMf cIdw dy ie`k AwdmI nwl ijhVw ik cMgw ienswn sI cMgw gUVH sI[ bUV isMG Awpxy Awp swfw vI hmdrd smJdw sI[ dwdw dwdI dI mOq ip`CoN auh sw cIdw ipMf aus nyk ienswn kol C`f AwieAw sI[ ies qrHW AsIN KrV A`Crvwl qoN cIdw ipMf Aw v`sy sW[ qusIN jwnxw cwhuMdy ho ik AsIN qrn qwrn ikvyN Aw gey[ myry ipqw jI qrn qwrn ivAwhy hoey sn[ qwieAw jI dy jIvn bwry qW mYN pihlW hI quhw d`s cu`kw hW ik auh pUrn rUp iv`c hI kimaUinst pwrtI smripq sn[ aunHW ny Awpxw swrw jIvn bylwZ Aqy bydwZ bqIq kIqw sI[ AYm.AYl.ey huMidAW hoieAW vI aunHW ny A`j k`lH dy vjIrW vWg mihl-mwVIAW nhI sn KVy kIqy sgoN aunHW ny ie`k drvyS isAwsqdwn dI izMdgI jIvI sI[ Gr dI hwlq iv`c koeI izAwdw suDwr nw huMdw vyK myry mwmy Asw qrn qwrn lY Awey sn[ ies qrHW ies pRIvwr dw kwrvW ie`k QW qoN dUsry Aqy dUsry qoN qIsry huMdw hoieAw Awi^r sMn 1969-70 iv`c gurU dI ngrI qrn qwrn Aw fyry lwey hn[ suAwl: cIdw jI quhwfy nwl quhwfy ipCokV bwry myrI jwcy kw&I crcw ho geI hY[ hux qusIN Awpxy ivAwhuqw jIvn bwry kuJ cwnxw pwE? juAwb: myrI SwdI 15 dsMbr,1977 s. guridAwl isMG jI vwsI ipMf kMdovwlI izlHw AMimRqsr dI spuqrI sqnwm kOr nwl hoeI hY[ myrI gRihsq bgIcI iv`c ies smyN iqMn Pu`l Aqy ie`k klI dy rUp iv`c iqMn lVky Aqy ie`k lVkI hY[ v`fy lVky dI SwdI ho geI hY Aqy krobwrI kMmW qoN hoieAw swry idn dw myrw QkyvW lwhux vwsqy myrw ie`k poqrw Aqy ie`k poqrI hY(ieh dovyN hI juVvw hn)[ suAwl: A`j k`lH qusIN izlHw qrn qwrn qoN 'cMfIgVH-pMjwb XUnIAn AwP jnrilst' dy pRDwn ho[ dUsry l&jW iv`c p`qrkwr jgq dy izlHw pRDwn ho[ p`qrkwrI ^yqr iv`c vwprn vwlIAW guMJlW bwry jwnx qoN pihlW ieh jwnxw cwhvWgw ik p`qrkwr bxnw quhwfw SONk sI, koeI mzbUrI jW kuJ hor? juAwb: p`qrkwr bxnw myrw koeI SONk nhIN sI Aqy nw hI koeI mzbUrI sI sgoN mYN smJdw sW ik ieh ie`k AYsw hìQAwr hY ijs rwhIN mYN smwj iv`c d`by-kucly lokW dIAW shI mwAinAW iv`c qrzmwnI kr ky aunHW dy h`kW leI Awvwz bulMd kr skdw hW[ mYN ZrIbI 'coN au~iTAw hoieAw ienswn hW[ mYN Awpxy qwieAw jI nwl rihMidAw hoieAW ZrIbW dy du`K drd,isskIAW,dwxy dwxy qrsxw,burjvwzI lokW dI D`kySwhI Aqy DONs nyVy qoN vyiKAw,suixAw Aqy mihsUs kIqw hY[ myry AMdr ie`k cIs ijhI BrI hoeI hY ijhVI hr vyly myry kMnW iv`c gUMjdI rihMdI hY[ g`l kI ieh sB kuJ mYN Awp Awpxy ipMfy 'qy hMfwieAw hY[ mYN smJdw sW ik p`qrkwrI hI Aijhw mwiDAm hY ijs rwhIN lokW dI Awvwz srkwr dy boly kMnW q`k phuMcwieAw jw skdw hY[ iesy krky mYN ies ^yqr iv`c AwieAw hW[
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juAwb:- pwiksqwn bxn qoN pihlW qW swfI AwriQk hwlq bhuq vDIAw sI pr ies vMf iv`c sw sB kuJ C`f-Cufw ky ieDr Awauxw ipAw sI,ijs krky AwriQk mMdhwlI dw iSkwr ho gey sW[ Gr iv`c iek`ly ipqw jI hI kmwaux vwly sn jo eyfy v`fy t`br dI pwlxw krn vwly sn[ mMdhwlI dw bolbwlw sI[ suAwl:- AwpxI ivìdAk pRwpqI qy vI kuJ cwnxw pwE ? juAwb:- bySk Gr iv`c AwriQk mMdhwlI sI pr pVHn iv`c myrI bhuq rucI sI[ mYN dsvIN jmwq AYm. bI. hweI skUl(ijs mMfI vwlw skUl vI kihMdy hn) qrn qwrn qoN kIqI[ AwriQk mMdhwlI dw izkr qW mYN pihlW hI kr cu`kw hW,swry t`br pwlxw Aqy nwl nwl pVHweI dy Krc dw boJ iek`ly ipqw jI dy v`soN bwhrw sI[ ies leI mYN dsvI jmwq qoN ip`CoN kwlj nhIN sW jw sikAw[ dsvI jmwq pws krn auprMq sMn 1953 iv`c mYN krnwl qoN jy. bI tI. krky tIcr dI nOkrI krnI SurU kr id`qI[ pVHn dI lgn sI ies leI hor rsqw lB igAw[ mYN igAwnI dI pRIiKAw pws krky pReIvyt ividAwrQI vjoN sqMbr 1957 iv`c bI.ey.(pRweIvyt) kr leI sI Aqy ies dy nwl hI sqMbr,1958 iv`c B.Ed vI kr leI sI[ myrw pVHweI dw kwrvW ie`Qy hI nhIN ruikAw sgoN mYN sMn 1967 iv`c AYm. ey. AMgryzI ivSy iv`c krn dy nwl nwl vwDU ivSy vjoN AYm. ey. ieiqhws Aqy AYjUkySn (M,Ed) vI kr leI sI[ mYN ieh vI quhwfy iDAwn iv`c ilAw idAW ik mYN AMgryjI,pMjwbI, aurdU Aqy ihMdI cwr BwSwvW dw igAwqw hW[ ieh swrw ividAk s&r mYN Awpxy blbUqy qy hI kIqw hY Aqy nwl nwl nOkrI kridAW hoieAW ipqw jI nwl t`br dI pwlxw iv`c sihXogI vI bixAw sW[ mYN ieh d`sx iv`c &Kr mihsUs krdw hW ik mNY ds swlW q`k AYP.ey. bI.ey. Aqy AYm.ey. q`k dIAW klwsW dy ividAwrQIAW dIAW koicMg klwsW vI pVHwauNdw irhw hW[ ivìdAk ivBwg iv`coN mYN bqOr mwstr 31 mwrc,1992 srkwrI hweI skUl jvMDw klW qoN syvw mukq hoieAw hW[ suAwl:- koeI Kws s^SIAq ijs dw Asr quhwfI ijMdgI qy Awpxw Asr C`f igAw hovy ? juAwb:- hW, hY[myrI ijMdgI iv`c iqMn Aijhy s`jx hn ijhnW dw pRBwv myrI ijMdgI qy bhuq ipAw hY[auhnW nwl myl imlwp ny myrI soc nvIN idSw id`qI sI[ myrw socx dw nzrIAw hI bdl ky r`K id`qw sI[sR: blbIr isMG jI ipMf AlwdInpur, sR: hrBjn isMG jI ipMf ShId Aqy sR: mMgl isMG jI ipMf k`d ig`l[ iehnW dy s`cy-su`cy Aqy iemwndwr ikrdwr ny myry mn qy bhuq gihrw pRBwv CìfAw sI[iehnW nwl ivcridAW hoieAw mYN auhnW dy pRBwv hyT smwj ivclI lu`t-Ksu`t Aqy byienswPI ivru`D ftx dw mn bxw ilAw sI[iehnW nwl myrI ijMdgI Br dI sWJ bx geI hY[ suAwl:- vwikAw hI quhwfw ividAk s&r bhuq hI sMGrSW BirAw hY[ ies qy mwx kIqw jw skdw hY Aqy AjokI pnIrI ies qoN sbk lYxw cwhIdw hY[kI qusIN kuJ AwpxI ivAwhuqw ijMdgI bwry vI kuJ cwnxw pwEgy? juAwb:- jrUr[ sMn 1954 iv`c myrI SwdI AMimRqsr vwsI sRImqI AmrjIq kOr spu`qrI sR: pRym isMG jI nwl hoeI hY[ myrI sMqwn vjoN ie`k lVkI Aqy do lVky hn[ suAwl:- swihqk Kyqr iv`c quhwfIAW pRwpqIAW Aqy ies kMm leI jIvn swQx dw Xogdwn ? juAwb:- mYN kyvl qy kyvl vwriqk ilKwrI hI hW[ vwriqk vMngIAW iv`c nwvl,nwtk,imMnI khwxI, iekWgI,inbMD Aqy sUKSm inbMD,XwqrwvW, pVcol,Aqy hwsivAMg dw Xogdwn hY[ Awm krky ilKwrI ies p`KoN sihXog G`t hI imldw hY[ ies kMm nUM ivhlVW dw kMm hI grdwinAw jWdw hY[pr mYN ies p`KoN ûSiksmq hW[ mY hW p`KI huMgwrw imilAw hY[ myrI pqnI ny myry duAwly Swq Aqy AnkUl vwqwvrx isrj ky myry leI sdw auswrU socW dw sMswr isrijAw hY[ ie`QoN q`k ik aus ny mY GrylU ijmyvwrIAW qoN vI mukqI pRdwn kr r`KI hY[ aus dy ies Xogdwn dw mYN irxI hW[ suAwl: kI qusIN A`j q`k dIAW kIqIAW rcnwvW sbMDI d`sogy?
juAwb:- 'iqVkIAW vM|W', 'pIly pìqAW dI ûSbU', 'pRCwivAW dy auhly' Aqy 'vlUMDrIAW sDrW' ieh cwr myry khwxI sMgRih Cp cu`ky hn[myrI khwxI 'h`sdI mOq' Aqy ie`k iekWgI 'Ax-jMimAw rihbr' Awl ieMfIAw ryfIE stySn jlMDr qoN sMn 1981,82 iv`c pRswirq vI ho cùky hn[ mYN ie`k iekWgI sMgRih 'c`kr iv`c c`kr' vI iliKAw hY[ sMn 1958 iv`c sR: Avqwr isMG jI 'AnBol' v`loN sMpwidq pusqk 'swihq Dwrw' iv`c myrI pihlI khwxI 'klwkwroN ky nwm'sMn 1958 iv`c drj hoeI sI[ sMn 1983 iv`c nIlmxI mYgjIn v`loN All India Short Stories Competetion krvwieAw sI ijs iv`c myrI khwxI 'jd Es myrI qsvIr mMgI' dUsry sQwn qy Awaux qy ienwm imilAw sI[ suAwl:- qusIN swihqk ilKqW dw AwdrS iks mMndy ho ? juAwb:- mYN nwnk isMG jI nwvilst dy nwvl 'pivqr pwpI' Aqy sR: gurbKS isMG jI pRIqlVI dI khwxI 'pRIqW dI pihrydwr' qoN pRBwivq ho ky nwrI p`K aus qy ho rhy julmW dw ivSw bxwieAw hY[ suAwl:- qusIN iksy swihq sBw nwl vI juVy hoey ho ? juAwb:- mYN pMjwbI swihq sBw Aqy siBAwcwrk kyNdr qrn qwrn Aqy SRomxI pMjwbI swihq sBw jMifAwlw gurU dw vI mYNbr hW[ suAwl:- quhwfy nwl swihqk p`K qy qW bhuq kuJ puìCAw dìsAw igAw hY pr ieh jo qusI vkwlq dw bsqw KolHI bYTy ho ies bwry vI d`s idE ik qusIN AYl. AYl. bI kdoN kIqI Aqy vkwlq kdo qoN krnI SurU kIqI hY[ kI ies dw qwlmyl swihqk soc nwl TIk bYT irhw hY ? juAwb:-mYN AwpxI nOkrI dOrwn hI AYl.AYl.bI dI pRIiKAw sMn 1977 iv`c pws kr leI sI[mY keIAW ny slwh id`qI sI ik mYN tIicMg lweIn C`f ky ie`Dr Aw jwvW prMqU myrI AMqr Awqmw ies leI iqAwr nhIN sI hoeI ikauNik ijs rwhIN mY AOKy smyN rojI rotI imlI sI aus dw p`lw nhIN sI C`fxw cwhuMdw[ ies leI mn nwl PYslw kIqw sI ik ies dw lwB mNY syvwmukqI dy ivhly smyN iv`c lvWgw[ ies qrHW ie`k qIr nwl do inSwny ho skxgy,ie`k qW ivhly smyN dw siq-aupXog hovygw Aqy dUsrw nwl dI nwl AwriQk shwrw vI imldw rhygw[ mYN ies smyN swihq Aqy vkwlq juVvw bìcAW vWg gl lweI pwl irhw hW Aqy sMquSt hW[ suAwl:- qusIN AwpxIAW rcnwvW rwhIN smwj kI swihqk sunyhw dyx dI koiSS kIqI hY? juAwb:- AOrq jwqI qy ho rhy julmoN-isqm bMd hox[AOrq jwqI AwpxI s^q imhnq Aqy Xogqw nwl smwj iv`c Awpxy pYrIN KVy hox dw auprwlw kry[swihqkwr vI nwrI dI durdSw AnuBv kridAW myry nwl sihXog krn[ BrUx hìqAw kwrn nwrI dw if`g irhw AMkVw-gRwP soc dw ivSw hY ijs sbMDI mYN A`j qoN 37 swl pihlW Awey mn ivcly AnuBv dy ADwr qy 'hwey lVkI' nwm dI khwxI dI rcnw vI kIqI sI[ suAwl:- vkIl swihb, pySy p`KoN qusIN A`j k`lH vkIl ho Aqy AdwlqI kwrvweI pRqI pUrI qrHW sucyq ho[ jdoN vI Adwlq iv`c iksy dy ibAwn klmbMd kIqy jWdy hn qW pihlW aus dy Drm Anuswr Drm gRMQ (gIqw,kurwn jW bweIbl) qy aus dw h`Q rKvw ky aus qoN Aihd ilAw jWdw hY Bwv shuM cukvweI jWdI hY ik "auh jo kuJ vI khygw,s`c khygw[ s`c qoN isvwey kuJ nhIN khygw[" kI qusIN vI Aijhw Aihd krogy ik jo vI au~qr qusIN myry svwlW dw dyvogy s`c s`c dyvogy Aqy s`c qoN isvwey kuJ nhIN khogy? juAwb:- mYN Aihd krdw hW ik "jo vI khWgw s`c khWgw[ s`c qoN isvwey kuJ nhIN khWgw[" suAwl:-jykr mYN ieh khW ik qusIN do jIvn jIvy hn qW myrI jwcy koeI AiqkQnI qW nhIN hovygI[ pihlI ijMdgI iv`c bqOr AiDAwpk bìcAW iv`c aunHW dy ivìdAw guru bx ky ivcry ho Aqy dUsrI ijMdgI AwpxI syvw mukqI auprMq vkIl dI jIaUu rhy ho[ ienHW dovW DwrwvW iv`coN qusIN ikhVI jIvn Dwrw AslI jIvn jIivAw mMndy ho Aqy ikauN?
juAwb:- qIr jI, quhwfw ieh kihxw ik mYN do jIvn jIivAw hW kuJ h`d q`k qW TIk hY pr ieh pUrI qrHW TIk nhIN[jykr mYN AwpxI ijMdgI iv`c do jIvn hI jIvy hn mMn lvW qW myrI ijMdgI nwl pUrn ienswP hoieAw nhIN jwpygw[ sgoN mYN iqMn jIvn jIvy hn(a) pihly iv`c mYN pyNfU qy grIbVw, auh vI Aiq sMGrS BrpUr ijs Anuswr pihlI SRyxI qoN cOQI SRyxI q`k hr vyly nMgy pYrIN qy bgYr pjwmy dy Awpxy j`dI ipMf 'pFwxy',pMjvIN rweyivMf, CyvIN-GivMf izlHw lwhOr (pwiksqwn), sqvIN mIAWivMf qy kMg izlHw AMimRqsr Aqy ATvIN qoN dsvIN q`k mMfI vwlw skUl qrn qwrn[ iPr jy.bI.tI krnwl qoN, igAwnI, AYP.ey, bI ey pRweIvyt pMjwb XUnIvristI qoN[ jIvn dy ies pMD iv`c CoilAW dIAW GuMgxIAW vycxIAW,kryly Aqy hor sbjIAW vycxIAW,p`gW rMgxIAW,pMdrW swl q`k ikqwbW dIAW ijldW bMnHx dy kMm dy nwl nwl m`J leI p`Ty ilAwauxy vI myry jIvn dw ih`sw irhw hY[ mYN ieh pihlw jIvn jIivAw hY[ (A) dUsry jIvn iv`c ivAwhuqw jIvn Aqy AiDAn dy nwl nwl AYgrIklcr dw kors,bI.AYf,AYm AYf, ieiqhws,AMgryjI dI pVHweI Aqy AYl.AYl.bI pws krnI, svyry qVky qoN dyr rwq q`k AYP.ey,bI.ey Aqy AYm.ey dIAW klwsW nUM 10 swl q`k Gr iv`c koicMg dw kMm krnw Swml hY[ ATvIN qoN dsvIN klws dy bìcAW isAwl dy iqMn mhIny skUl iv`c rwq vyly PrI koicMg dyxw[ iesy smyN dy iv`c hI vwrqw dy in`kI khwxI, iekWgI,nwtk,imMnI khwxI, ivAMg Aqy sU^Sm inbMD ilKxy Aqy pMj pusqkW Cpvwauxw vI Swml hY[ ieh jIvn vI Aiq sMGrSmeI pr sMquStqw BrpUr irhw hY ijs iv`c JUT nw bolxw, byeImwnI, bdkwrI Aqy iksy DoKy iv`c nw r`Kx dw BrpUr lwhw KìtAw hY[ (e) ies qIsry Aqy AwKrI jIvn iv`c BwvyN mYN Awpxy ieKlwk dy auikq guxW h`QoN nhIN CìfAw qy ies smyN iv`c drbwr swihb jwxw, gurbwxI svyry Swm tI.vI qoN srvx krnw Aqy pUjw pwT dI ivvsQw kwPI vDdI rhI hY pr mn pRsMnqw,sMquStI Aqy AwrwmdyhI iv`c koeI vwDw nhIN hoieAw sgoN hwrt trbl,bl`f pRYSr, qy srIrk inGwr jyhIAW AOkVW ny pUrn Fwh lweI hY[ pr siqgurU ny pqw nhIN ikhiVAW guxW krky Awpxw nW idloN nhIN Bulwaux id`qw[ vYsy kcihrI iv`c Aw ky ivcrn vwly lokW dy &rybW,mkwrIAW,srwsr JUT,AnrQ vyK ky kRoD Aqy pRySwnI v`DdI jw rhI hY[ Aw^rI jIvn iv`c smwijk Aqy GrogI ijmyNvwrIAW-pRySwnIAW pYro-pYr srIr Gux vWg lgwqwr KweI jw rhIAW hn, ijnHW pRqI myrI n&rq BwvyN v`DdI jw rhI hY iPr vI smwj Aqy jIvn vwsqy Ktws vwihgurU ny nhIN Awaux id`qI[ mYN Awpxy pihly do jIvnW sMquStqw nwl jIivAw mMndw hW[ BwvyN ik auh myry leI qpdy qMdUr vWgUM sn[ mY auikq d`sy Anuswr ies smwj,lok pswrw Aqy Dwrimk bdie^lwkI qoN eynIN iGrxw nhIN huuMdI ijMnIN mukwblqn Aw cu`kI hY[ mYN smJdw hW ik nw smwj, nw srkwr Aqy nw hI isìKAw pRnwlI smyq rwjnIiqk ipV ijAwdw ksUrvwr jwpdy hn[ ikauNik myrI smJ Anuswr iqMnyN 's`sy' (pMjwbI dI pYNqI A`KrI vwlw's')smwj,isìKAw Aqy srkwr hr vyly (hr idn,hr GVI Aqy hr pl) ie`k dUjy qy qkVw pRBwv pw ky "ie`ko-ij`ky" krI AwauNdy hn[ jykr srkwr nhIN cMgI qW ausy ifgrI nwl isìKAw Aqy smwj vI inGwr v`l v`Ddy jw irhy hn[ ies leI myrI soc hY ik fYmokRYitk pRbMD iv`c kdy vI kuJ cMgw nhIN ho skdw[r`b A`gy Ardws kro ik ies inGwr dI siQqI hor v`Dxo rukI rvHy[ AdwlqW-kcihrIAW iv`c JUT,aup`dr,mkwrIAW-bdkwrIAW dy mukwbly bhuq kuJ hor vI du`Kdwiek hn[ iesy leI bhuq Krwb siQ`qI vI mY kcihrI dw jIvn iqAwgx leI mjbUr nhIN kr rhI[ suAwl:- vkIl swihb, lokW dI Awm rwey hY ik vkIl iesy hI AwSy nwl jIaUNdy hn ik "lwgIAW ny qW lwg lYxw hY BwvyN jWdI hI rMfI ho jwvy[" jdoN koeI du`KI quhwfy kol kys krn leI AwauNdw hY qW aus smyN quhwfy AMdrly mnu`K dIAW kyho ijhIAW BwvnwvW huMdIAW hn?
juAwb:- BwvyN A`D-pc`Dy vkIl iesy BwvnW nwl jIaUNdy hoxgy ik ""lwgIAW ny qW lwg lYxw hY BwvyN jWdI hI rMfI ho jwvy" pr ies dy mukwbly ivaupwrI,isAwsI Gutwly,qihsIlW, QwixAW, srkwrI krmcwrIAW dI soc, vjIrW dI lu`t-Ksu`t Aqy irSvqKorI nwloN vkIlW dI ieh soc ijAwdw KrHvI nhIN jwpdI[ iksy vI cIj dw bIj nws nhIN huMdw[ ku J Kudw dw fr r`Kx vwly Aqy mn iv`c qrs r`Kx vwly vwihgurU dy ipAwry vI jrUr hn[ bySk auh QoVHy hI hox[ klwieMt dy Awaux qy myrw AMdrlw mnu`K Ajy vI aus dy du`K qoN pRBwivq huMdw hY[ suAwl:- kI ieh TIk hY ik ijAwdw krky vkIl dUsrI pwrtI kol ivk vI jWdy hn? juAwb:- quhwfw ieh dUSx 100% TIk nhIN hY[ mihMgweI,QoVHI kmweI Aqy pRclq smwijk bdkwrIAW qoN pRBwivq siQqI ,kuJ QoVHy pRqISq vkIlW mjbUr BwvyN kr dyvy pr ijAwdw krky vkIlW dy GrW iv`c psr rhy du`K-klyS,pRySwnIAW Aqy ibmwrIAW auhnW inrMqr tuMbdIAW rihx krky auikq doS qoN mukq krdIAW hI rihMdIAW hn, BwvyN swry kdwicq eydW nhIN krdy[ suAwl:- keI vyrW quhwfy kol Aijhy klwieMt vI Aw jWdy hoxgy ijnHW bwry qusIN jwxdy huMdy ho ik auh ksUrvwr hn iPr vI aus byksUr swibq krn leI qusIN aus dw kys lVdy ho[ kI aus smyN quhwfI zmIr quhw Aijhw krn qoN nhIN vrjdI? juAwb:- ksUrvwr klwieMt jwxidAW hoieAW byksUr is`D krdy smyN zmIr ikauN nhIN vrjdI? myry ipAwry,sUJvwn Aqy au~qm pRkwr dy swihqkwr s: rGbIr isMG 'qIr' jI,jwxdy bu`Jdy hoey ksUrvwr klwieMt vI qW ausy pRmwqmw ny pYdw kIqw hY[ auh (pRBU) hzwrW kwqlW, blwqkwrW,GutwlybwjW,corW Aqy T`gW ijs pRkwr brwbr dw Bojn Aqy jIvn b^Sdw hY, aus dI r^Sw ihq aus ny aus byksUr is`D krn vwsqy Aijhy vkIl vI pYdw kr r`Ky hn ijnHW mihMgweI iv`c t`br pwlxw Aqy stYNfr dw jIvn bqIq krn leI AijhI kmweI krn leI mjbUr kIqw hoieAw hY[ vkIl vI smwj iv`clIAW pRclq bdkwrIAW vyKidAW socdw hY "jykr mYN lokW nwloN v`D krWgw qW hI ksUrvwr hovWgw[ eynW ku qW kr lYxw jwiez hI hY[" hzwrW 'coN BwvyN 15/20 hI Aijhy vI jrUr hn jo ksUrvwr dw kys nhIN lYNdy[ suAwl:- AdwlqW iv`c lokIN nw rulx, ies bwry quhwfy kI suJwE hn? kI kwrn hY lokIN ies dldl iv`c D`sdy hI jw rhy hn? quhwfI soc Anuswr kI kql hoxoN ruk nhIN skdy? juAwb:-knI iQaUrI kihMdI hY, "jykr qusIN ienswP cwhuMdy ho qW qn mn su`Qrw lY ky AwE" jo ik A`j dI AprwiDk dunIAW iv`c AOKw hY[ 70% lok AMdroN jwxdy hn ik mYN su`Qrw nhIN[ mY koeI h`k nhIN phuMcdw ik mYN kys pwvW pr purwxIAW KOrHW k`Fx krky, duSmx dy Gr iv`c SWqI nw v`sx dyx leI Aqy Swied AdwlqW tplw Kw jwx qy mY njwiej Pwiedw iml jwvy, ivhlV Awpxy 'hlvy mMfy' leI vkIlW pwsoN dlwlI Kwx ih`q Aijhy kys pw jW puvw idMdy hn[ myrI smJ Anuswr ijMnW icr pihlW d`sy iqMn s`sy swP nhIN huMdy myrw koeI suJwE sPl nhIN hovygw[ jd smwj iv`c koeI nuks pYdw ho igAw qW auh srkwr Aqy isìKAw pRdUSq krygw[ ievyN hI srkwr Aqy smwj pRdUSq ivìdAw nukswn phuMcwvygI[ g`l kI ieh iqMny hI ie`k dUsry qy Awpxw pRBwv pwauNdy hn[ ies AprwDW BrI dunIAW iv`c gunwhW dI szw Bugqx ih`q lok ies dldl iv`c hor D`sdy hI jwxgy[ ienHW iqMnHW sìsAW dI hor v`DdI hoeI gMdgI kwrn 'zr,zorU Aqy zmIn(zwiedwd) dI AxcwhI Bu`K imtwaux leI kql hor v`Ddy jwxgy,G`txgy nhIN[ ikauNik lok gurbwxI qoN dUr B`jI jwx krky hMkwr,JUTI ausqq Aqy mwieAw leI v`DdI Bu`K dI lpyt iv`c vlIdy jw rhy hn[ ijMnW icr ies T`lH nhIN pYNdI suDwr muSkl hI jwpdw hY[ suAwl:- qusIN Awpxy vkIl BrwvW koeI sunyhw dyxw cwhvogy? juAwb:- mYN Awpxy vkIl BrwvW eydW suJwA dyxw psMd krWgw ik auh jIvn dwqw pRmwqmw dy hukm pCwnx[ ijMnW auh gurbwxI Aqy dUsry Dwrimk gRMQW pVHngy aunW hI aunHW dy AMdr soJI AwvygI[ auh ies g`l dy DwrnI bxn dI koiSS krn ik:-
1. mYN JUTw kys nhIN lYxw[ 2. mYN kys njwiej nhIN lmkwauxw[ 3. mYN gunwhgwr imlx vwlI szw dy rsqy iv`c roVw nhIN bxnw[ 4. mYN ivroDI vkIl nwl nhIN rlxw[ 5. mYN ie`k kys iv`coN keI kys (AwpxI AwmdnI leI) nhIN bxwvWgw[ 6. mYN vihgurU v`loN bKSI geI mwieAw nwl hI swdw jIvn gujwrWgw[ 7. jy klwieMt ny mY ienswP dw ûdw mMn hI ilAw hY qW aus leI sKq qy jwiez Gol krWgw[ 8. mYN iksy klwieMt jwxidAW hoieAW vI kurwhy nhIN pwvWgw[ 9. kys dI nuhwr Anuswr bxdy jwiez pYsy hI lvWgw[ 'qIr' swihb, qusIN bhuq clwk inkly! qusIN Awpxy jIvn dy qzrby BrI isAwxp Aqy cusq idmwgI nwl myry koloN auh kuJ auglvw ilAw hY ijs mYN vkIlW vwlI cusqI vrq ky lukwauxw cwhuMdw sI[ mYN quhwfy v`loN pu`Cy gey suAwlW dy Awpxy au~qrW iv`c Cotw-motw prdw pwauxw cwihAw sI pr qusIN myry koloN auh prdw vI cu`kvw ilAw hY[ ie`k lMmI pr ArQ BrpUr suAwlW juAwbW dI kVI bMd krky mYN pwTkW vwsqy ie`k vkIl dIAW AMqrIv BwvnwvW aunHW swhmxy aujwgr krn dw auprwlw kIqw hY ik bwhrI sQUl srIr iv`c kwrjSIl ienswn Aqy aus AMdrly sU^Sm srIr vwly ienswn (AMdrlw mnu`K) iv`c kI AMqr hY[ vkIl Awi^r vkIl hI huMdw hY[ auh Awpxy dwAvWpycW dI vrqoN krnoN kdoN tldw hY[ mYN bySk vkIl swihb Awpxy vlyvyN iv`c ilAw ky s`c bwhr k`Fx dw pUrn Xqn kIqw hY iPr vI auh Awpxy Byd lukwaux iv`c kwmXwb hoieAw jwpdw hY[ ***
ie`k isAwsqdwn :
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sR. gurimMdr isMG jI 'rtOl' isAwsq dI Kyf vI SqrMz dI Kyf vrgI Kyf hY ijs iv`c ie`k iDr dUsrI ivroDI iDr 'qy hwvI hox leI swry dwA pycW nwl lYs ho ky mYdwn iv`c au~qrdI hY[ rwjnIqI dw gurU cwxkIAw mMinAw jWdw hY ijs ny rwjnIqI dy isDwqW dw vrnx AwpxI pusqk cwxkIAw nIqI iv`c kIqw hY[ ies Kyf iv`c iksy qy vI ieqbwr nhIN kIqw jWdw Aqy qusIN ijs au~qy ieqbwr kr rhy huMdy ho keI vyrW auhI quhwfy Brosy dw AwdmI,pqw hI nhIN c`ldw kdoN quhw iT`bI lw ky quhwfw pwsw hI plt idMdw hY[ Swied iesy krky hI isAwsq gMdI Kyf (Politics is a dirty game) dw nwm id`qw igAw hY[ jykr ieh s`c hY ik rwjnIqI ^yqr iqlkxbwzI Aqy byBrosgI dw ^yqr hY qW ieh vI s`c hY ik s`c Aqy cMigAweI dw kdy vI bIz nws nhIN huMdw[ kMvl dw Pu`l ic`kV iv`coN hI qW pYdw huMdw hY pr auh ic`kV qoN sdw Alyp rihMdw hY[ rwjnIqI dy ^yqr iv`c A`j vI kuJ Aijhy ienswn imldy hn ijhVy isAwsq dI sOVI soc qoN au~pr au~T ky Aqy ies dI kwl^ qoN Alyp rih ky s`cI su`cI soc dw p`lw PVHI ies ^yqr iv`c ivcr rhy hn[ Aijhy hI ie`k ienswn nwl AjokI rwjnIqI bwry kIqI crcw dw swrAMS ieMtrivaU rUp iv`c drSkW dI nzr hY:suAwl: s. gurimMdr isMG jI A`j mYN quhwfy nwl quhwfy hI jIvn dIAW kuJ g`lW kr ky quhwfy bcpn dIAW XwdW iv`coN quhw kuJ pu`Cxw cwhuMdw hW[ kI qusIN Awpxy jIvn bwry kuJ d`sogy? juAwb: myrw jnm 17 AkqUbr,1958 s. gurdIp isMG jI rtOl dy gRih ivKy mwqw crnjIq kOr jI dI ku`KoN ipMf rtOl izlHw qrn qwrn iv`c hoieAw[ AsIN iqMn Brw hW Aqy swfI ie`ko ie`k BYx hY[ myry do Brw ies smyN dyS qoN bwhr brYptn,trWto (knyfw) iv`c v`sdy hn Aqy krmvwr "BwrqI EvrsIz kWgrs"(Indian Overseas Congress) dy pRDwn Aqy mIq pRDwn vjoN syvw inBw rhy hn[ suAwl: qusIN AwpxI ivìdAw pRwpqI bwry vI kuJ cwnxw pwE ik ik`QoN ikQoN ivìdAw pRwpq kIqI hY? juAwb: mYN AwpxI mu`FlI pRwiemrI dI ivìdAw Awpxy ipMf rtOl dy skUl qoN hI pRwpq kIqI hY[ ATvIN jmwq mYN sRI gurU Arjn dyv Kwlsw skUl qrn qwrn qoN Aqy dsvIN jmwq srkwrI sInIAr sYkMfrI skUl qrn qwrn qoN krn auprMq aucyrI ivìdAw pRwpqI leI sports kwlj jlMDr iv`c dwKlw lY ilAw sI ij`QoN mYN pRYp pws kIqI[ bI.ey. dw pihlw swl fI.ey.vI kwlj AMimRqsr qoN kr ky bI.ey Pwienl dI ifgrI sRI gurU Arjn dyv gOrimMt kwlj qrn qwrn(gurU nwnk dyv XUnIvristI,AMimRqsr) qoN pRwpq kIqI hY[ ieh hI Aqy eynW hI myrw ivìdAk s&r hY[ suAwl: rtOl swihb, kI qusIN Awpxy ivAwhuqw jIvn bwry vI kuJ dsogy?
juAwb: myrI SwdI sMn 1982 iv`c srdwrnI qyijMdr kOr spu`qrI s. dlbIr isMG jI vwsI nwgoky izlHw qrn qwrn,ijhVy ik Kyf jgq iv`c golw su`tx iv`c aulMpIAn sn nwl hoeI[ ieh pirvwr jQydwr aUDm isMG jI nwgoky dw pirvwr hY ijs ny is`K jgq iv`c gurduAwrw suDwr lihrW dy sMGrS iv`c v`fw Xogdwn pwieAw hY[ jQydwr aUDm isMG jI nwgoky iksy jwx pihcwx dy muQwz nhIN hn[ myry pirvwr iv`c myry do byty hn Aqy ie`k bytI hY[ dohW hI byitAW ny ielYktrIkl ieMjInIirMg kIqI hoeI hY Aqy bytI ny bI AYs sI. kMipaUtr ieMjInIirMg kIqI hoeI hY[ myry b`cy ies vyly knyfw iv`c p`ky qOr qy v`sy hoey hn Aqy knyfIAn istIzn hn[ pirvwrk jIvn iv`c mYN pUrI qrHW sMquSt hW[ suAwl: rtOl jI, qusIN ies ielwky iv`c isAwsq ^yqr iv`c ie`k sulJy hoey Aqy srgrm isAwsqdwn vjoN jwxy jWdy ho Aqy quhwfw isAwsI jIvn vI kwPI lMmyrw hY[ mYN jwxnw cwhuMdw hW ik isAwsq iv`c Awauxw kI quhwfw SONk sI jW iksy isAwsI ivAkqI qoN pRBwivq ho ky qusI isAwsI ^yqr iv`c Awey ho? juAwb: swfy pirvwr iv`c swfyy bwbw,s. srdwrw isMG jI rtOl dw ivìdAk ^yqr iv`c bhuq v`fw Xogdwn irhw hY[ aunHW ny kwPI ikqwbW vI ilKIAW Aqy nYSnl p`Dr dyy Avwrf vI pRwpq kIqy[ mYN aunHW dy h`QW iv`c pilAw hW Aqy aunHW dy jIvn dw myry qy bhuq v`fw pRBwv irhw hY[ aunHW kol rihMidAW hoieAW hI myry AMdr lok syvw dI Bwvnw pRPulq hoeI hY[ aunHW dI srprsqI Aqy idSw inrdySW dw sdkw hI myry AMdr kuJ krn dI Bwvnw ny jnm ilAw[ mYN bcpn qoN hI cwhuMdw sW ik kuJ Aijhw krW ijs nwl smwj syvw vI ho sky,lokW nwl myry cMgy sbMD vI bxn Aqy Awpxy pirvwr dw nW vI au~cw hovy[ ies qrHW kih lvo ik isAwsq dI rIJ mY ivrsy iv`c hI imlI hY Aqy ieh myry KUn iv`c hI hY[ suAwl: pihlvwnI jgq iv`c pihlvwnI dy gur is`Kx vwsqy koeI nw koeI gurU Dwrnw pYNdw hY[ iesy qrHW hI isAwsI AKwVy leI vI koeI gurU Dwrnw pYNdw hovygw[ mYN jwxnw cwhuMdw hW ik quhwfw isAwsI gurU kOx hY? juAwb: Awpxw isAwsI gurU mYN s. idlbwg isMG jI fwlyky mMndw hW[ sMn 1992 iv`c jdoN auh qrn qwrn hlky qoN ibnW mukwblw pMjwb AsYNblI leI ij`q kyy gey sn qW mY aunHW nwl kMm krn dw mOkw imilAw[ mYN aunHW dy kMm krn dy qrIky ApxwieAw[ jdoN AsIN ipMfW iv`c jw ky lokW dIAW qklIPW suxdy sW qW myry AMdr smwj syvw krn dw zjbw hor p`kw huMdw jWdw sI[ aunHW dy idSw inrdySW sdkw hI mYN isAwsI jIvn iv`c pYr pwieAw hY[ myrI lgn,iemwndwrI Aqy imhnq vyK ky hI aunHW ny sMn 1994 iv`c mY izlHw kWgrs dw jnrl sk`qr inXukq kIqw Aqy iPr jdoN sMn 1997 iv`c auh pMjwb ivDwn sBw dy spIkr bxy qW aunHW ny mY srkwr dI mnzUrI nwl Awpxw pulItIkl sYktrI inXukq kr ilAw sI[ ies qrHW mYN Awpxw isAwsI jIvn AwrMiBAw hY[ suAwl: isAwsq gMdI Kyf ikhw jWdw hY[ iPr qusIN ies Kyf Kyfxw ikauN psMd kIqw hY? myrw mqlb hY qusIN ies ^yqr ikauN cuixAw? juAwb: ieh iblkul hI s`cI g`l hY ik isAwsq ie`k gMdI ^yf hY[ ieh ie`k dldl hY Aqy jdoN koeI bMdw ie`k vwr ies iv`c vV jWdw hY qW aus dw inklxw muSkl ho jWdw hY[ auh dldl iv`c D`sdw hI jWdw hY[ isAwsq iv`c Awaux dw myrw nzrIAw dUsry isAwsqdwnW nwloN kuJ v`Krw hY[ mYN AwpxI s`cI su`cI isAwsq rwhIN lokW d`sxw cwhuMdw hW ik isAwsq cMgy qrIky nwl vI kIqI jw skdI hY[ iemwndwrI nwl lokW dI syvw vI kIqI jw skdI hY Aqy aus nwl pRis`DI vI iml skdI hY[ ieh zrUrI nhIN ik swry bMdy hI gMdy huMdy hn[ aunHW iv`c sw& suQry Aks vwly bMdy vI ho skdy hn[ mYN ies AwSy nwl isAwsq iv`c AwieAw hW ik lok syvw krn vwsqy swP su~QrI isAwsq krW[ suAwl: isAwsq iv`c Awm krky vyiKAw igAw hY ik ies Kyf iv`c koeI vI iksy dw nhIN huMdw[ ipau pu`qr dy i^lwP cox lVdw vyiKAw igAw hY[ pqnI pqI dy mukwbly iv`c cox lVdI vyKI geI hY[ kI ies qrHW dI pRQw quhwfy iKAwl Anuswr koeI sucwrU jW cMgI pR Qw hY?
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hY ik ies ny iksy nhIN bîSAw[ ies ny mW, BYx, Brw,bwpU iksy vI nhIN bîSAw[ AMnw hzwrw jI ny ijhVw ies soc qoN au~cw au~T ky ieh kMm krn dw bIVw cuikAw hY mYN qW aunHW dI ies soc qy pihrw dyx dI koiSS krWgw[ mYN qW ies dw pRcwr ipMf p`Dr qy vI krWgw qW jo aunHW vrgI soc dy hor bMdy au~Tx Aqy iBRStwcwr n`Q pY sky[ myrI qW ieh vI soc hY ik iBRSt lokW s^q szwvW id`qIAW jwxIAW cwhIdIAW hn[ aunHW curwihAW iv`c KVw krky swzvW id`qIAW jwxIAW cwhIdIAW hn[ aunHW dw mwVw hSr huMdw vyK ky dUsry lok aunHW iGrxw krn Aqy sbk lY skx ik iBRSt lokW dw hSr mwVw hI huMdw hY Aqy auh vI Aijhy bxn qoN qobw krn[ ieh lok smwj dy duSmx hn[ ienHW ny smwj luìtAw hY Aqy ieh lok n&rq dy pwqr hn[ ienHW ny dyS Aqy smwj dI AwriQkqw Fwh lweI hY ies leI ienHW smwj qoN dUr hI r`Kxw hY[ suAwl: ies iv`c qW koeI dUsrI rwey nhIN ik jIhdy kol pYsw hovygw auh hI AlYkSn lV skygw[ ieh vI swhmxy hY ik coxW iv`c kwly Dn dI Ku`lH vy vrqoN huMdI hY[ kI qusIN smJdy ho ik coxW iv`c kwly Dn dI vrqoN Ku`lH ky huMdI hY Aqy kI ies qrHW hoxw TIk hY? juAwb: ieh iblkul s`c hY ik coxW iv`c aunHW lokW dw bolbwlw rihMdw hY ijnHW kol kwlw Dn huMdw hY[ aunHW dI lwlws huMdI hY ik lok swfy kwly Dn krky sw n&rq nw krn sgoN sw slwmW krn[ auh AwpxI ies Bu`K dI pUrqI Awpxy kwly Dn dy blbUqy qy pUrI krdy hn[ aunHW dy eyjMt cox pRikirAw SurU hox qoN pihlW hI ipMfW iv`c Aw fyry lwauNdy hn Aqy Aqy Awpxy rwsU^ vwilAW lokW rwhIN ipMf dy lokW iv`c niSAW dI vrqoN SurU kr idMdy hn[ ies qrHW auh ie`k qIr nwl do inSwny kr rhy huMdy hn[ kwly Dn dI vrqoN vI ho jWdI hY Aqy aunHW dw ipMfW iv`c dbdbw vI bx jWdw hY[ ijhVy lok ienHW dy ies jwl iv`c Ps jWdy hn aunHW rwhIN ipMfW iv`c DVybMdIAW bx jWdIAW hn ijhVIAW A`gy c`l ky lVweI JgVy,kql, mukdmy, kcihrIAW dI K`jl ûAwrI bx jWdI hY[ auh lok ijhVy pihlW ie`zq dI rotI KWdy sn DVybMdIAW iv`c Ps cuky huMdy hn[ mukdimAW iv`c Psy lok ienHW dy cuMgl iv`c Ps cu`ky huMdy hn Aqy auh ienHW lokW dy rihmo-krm qy ho jWdy hn[ auh jwxidAW hieAw vI ik ieh mwVy lok hn ienHW dy iKlw& Awvwz nhIN k`F skdy[ myrw socxw hY ik sw Aijhy AMsrW dy ivru`D ie`k mu`T ho ky Awvwz bulMd krnI cwhIdI hY Aqy Aijhy lokW , kwly Dn vwilAw j`g zwhrw krnw cwhIdw hY[ jdoN q`k kwly Dn dy nwZ dw isr nhIN kucilAw jWdw, swfw dyS qr`kI nhIN kr skdw[ suAwl: pwrtI iv`c kMm kr irhw hr vrkr ies g`l dI Aws r`Kdw hY ik aus vI smyN smyN qy pwrtI iv`c koeI Ahudw imly[ aumIdvwr dI cox smyN itktW dI vMf pRikirAw dy prdy ip`Cy kI huMdw hY Aqy aumIdvwr dI cox leI kI mwpdMf vrqy jWdy hn? kI qusIN Ajoky vrqy jWdy mwpdMfW nwl sihmq ho? juAwb: mYN iblkul sihmq nhIN hW jI[ au~qy bYTy pihlW cuxy gey iBRSt lIfr ijhVy pihlW hI bYTy hn aunHW ny Awpxy vrgy hI smwj isrjx dI g`l krnI huMdI hY[ auh Awpxy vrgy hI aumIdvwr l`Bdy hn ijhVy hyToN lokW qoN lu`t-Ksu`t krky pYsy lu`t ky ilAwaux Aqy aunHW dIAW zybW Brn[ auh aunHW hI itkt dyx dI hmySW koiSS krdy hn[ izAwdw krky lokW ies pRikirAw coN lMGxw pYNdw hY[ sw vI AijhI pRikirAw nyiVE ho ky vyKx dw mOkw imilAw hY[ mYN smJdw hW sw Aijhy iBRSt lokW qoN bcx dI loV hY Aqy aumIdvwrW AwpxI soc bdlx dI loV hY[ koeI loV nhIN pYsy ^rc ky itktW lYx dI[ pYsy ^rc ky itkt lY ky iPr pMj swlW q`k pYsy iek`Ty krdy rho[ ies nwl iBRStwcwr PYldw hY[ ies qoN bcx dI zrUrq hY[ suAwl: ivdySW iv`c aumIdvwr cuxn leI pwrtI AMqr mukwblw hox ip`CoN hI aumIdvwr dI cox AMiqm rUp id`qw jWdw hY[ Bwrq iv`c Aijhw ikauN nhIN huMdw ? juAwb: kwPI vyrW ies qrHW krn leI swfIAW pwrtIAW ny rl ky ivcwirAw sI ik ihMdusqwn iv`c vI bwhrly dySW vWg do pwrtI isstm ho jwvy pr pqw nhIN ikhVy kwrnW
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juAwb:myry mn soc hI nhIN sdw ieh rIJ rhI hY ik ie`k cMgy smwj dI isrjxw vwsqy sw rl ky ie`k dUsry dw swQ dy ûShwl smwj dI isrjxw krnI cwhIdI hY[ iesy soc ADIn hI mYN ipMfW iv`c jw ky sw& suDry iÂwlW nwl lokW iv`c Awpxw kMm kr irhw hW[ iemwndwrI hI myrw mwto hY[ mYN iemwndwrI dw p`lw iksy vI kImq qy nhIN C`fxw cwhuMdw[ pRmwqmw qoN vI hmySw iesy g`l dI mMg krdw rihMdw hW ik hy s`cy pwqSwh! kdy vI mn iv`c mwx Aqy hMkwr nw Awvy[ myry koloN iksy dw burw nw hovy[ ho sky qW iksy dw Blw hI krvweI[ mYN qW sB iehI khWgw ik ies qrHW dw jIvn jIau jwvo ik quhw koeI Xwd kry[ A`j dw nOjvwn k`lH dw Biv`K hY[ dyS ies qoN AwsW hn[ nOjvwnW Awpxy Awp niSAW qoN dUr r`Kxw cwhIdw hY Aqy smwj dy nv inrmwx dw Bwr Awpxy moiFAW qy lYxw cwhIdw hY[ ieh hI myrI soc hY Aqy ieh hI myrI isAwsq[ gurimMdr isMG rtOl nwl g`lW kridAW jwp hI nhIN sI irhw ik mYN iksy isAwsqdwn nwl g`lW kr irhw hW[ auh qW iksy swDU vWg jwp irhw sI ijhVw soJI Aqy igAwn dw pRkwS ibKyr irhw hovy[ aus v`loN mY hr svwl dw juAwb aus dy AMdrly mnu`K v`loN id`qw igAw AnuBv ho irhw sI[ isAwsq dy vl-pyc aus dy bolW iv`c ik`Dry vI nzrIN nhIN sn pYdy[ mYN soc irhw sW ik jykr isAwsqdwn ieho ijhy ho jwx qW iPr isAwsq gMdI Kyf ikvyN ho skdI hY[ ijs ny iemwndwrI dw p`lw PiVHAw hY auh Blw Btk ikvyN skdw hY[ r`b kry swry hI isAwsqdwn aus dIAW pweIAW pYVW qy qurn[ mYN dwvy nwl kih skdw hW ik jykr smwj syvw dI soc dw cln ho jwvy qW AMnW hzwry vrgy lok syvkW iPr mrn vrq nhIN r`Kxy pYxgy[ AwmIn! ***
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sR. mnjIq isMG 'kmlw' sR. mnjIq isMG jI 'kmlw' nwl myrI pihlI mulwkq pMjwbI s`Q lWbVw dy swlwnw snmwn smwroh iv`c lWbVw ivKy ipCly swl (2010) iv`c hoeI sI[audoN q`k mYN nhIN sW jwxdw ik auh myry hI ielwky qrn qwrn Sihr dy rihx vwly hn[ jdoN aunHW ny Acwnk Aw ky myry moFy 'qy h`Q r`K ky mY myrw nW lY ky sMboDn kIqw sI qW mYN hYrwn rih igAw sW[ aunHW mY dìsAw ik aunHW myry bwry fw. inrml isMG jI koloN hI pqw l`gw sI ik mYN vI qrn qwrn dw hI vwsI hW[ syvw mukqI auprMq mYN izAwdw smW Sihr dy dosqW im`qrW iv`c hI guzwrdw hW pr Sihr iv`c aunHW kdy nhIN sI vyiKAw[ vyKdw vI ik`dW, auh qW lMmy smyN qoN ieMglYNf iv`c rihMdy hn[ ieh AswfI pihlI mulwkwq sI[ ie`k idn mYN bwzwr iv`coN lMG irhw sW ik Acwnk myry kMnIN Awvwz peI 'qIr' jI[ mYN sVk dy dUsry pwsy vyiKAw, mnjIq isMG 'kmlw' mY pukwr irhw sI[ auh bVy hI ipAwr Aqy auqSwh nwl j`PI pw ky mY imilAw[ aus ny dìsAw ik kuJ imMt pihlW hI auh mY imlx bwry soc irhw sI ik mYN aus AwauNdw hoieAw id`s ipAw hW[ su`K sWd pu`Cx ip`CoN aus dìsAw ik auh ipCly kuJ idnW qoN Awpxy iksy in`jI kMm leI qrn qwrn AwieAw hoieAw hY[ aus ny jdoN mY myrIAW A`j k`lH dIAW swihqk gqIiv`DIAW bwry puìCAw qW mYN aus dìsAw sI ik mYN ie`k ikqwb ilKx dy c`kr iv`c hW Aqy aus ikqwb dy ivSy Anuswr mYN aus iv`c ie`k pRvwsI dw Sbd ic`qrx krnw hY[ r`b ny qyrw Awpy hI myl krvw id`qw hY[ mYN aus puìCAw sI ik jykr aus ieqrwz nw hovy qW kI mYN aus dw Sbd ic`qrx kr skdw hW? aus ny h`s ky ies dI pRvwngI dy id`qI sI[ smW Aqy AsQwn qih ho jwx qy auh smyN isr myry Gr Aw igAw sI[ cwh pwxI pIx auprMq swfw suAwlW-jvwbW dw islislw SurU ho igAw ijs dw swrAMS hyT Anuswr hY: suAwl: mnjIq jI kI qusIN Awpxy bcpn Aqy pRIvrk vyrvy d`sxw psMd krogy? juAwb: myrw jnm s. krqwr isMG jI dy gRih ivKy mwqw Twkur kOr dI ku`KoN 10 meI 1943 qrn qwrn Sihr iv`c hoieAw hY[ myrI ieh jnm imqI myry pwsport Anuswr hY jdoN ik myrw jnm sMn 1939 iv`c hoieAw sI[ pihlW Aksr ies qrHW huMdw sI ik mwvW Awpxy bìcAW skUly dw^l krvwaux jWdIAW sn qW AiDAwpk dy jnm imqI pu`Cx 'qy auh kih idAw krdIAW sn ik su`K nwl eyh CyAW ku swlw dw ho igAw hY[ Swied aus smyN jnm srtIPIkyt ilAw hI nhIN sI jWdw[ A`goN AiDAwpk vI Atw-stw lw ky dw^l hox Awey ivìdAwrQI dI jnm imqI rijstr iv`c drj kr lYNdy sn[ ieh hI kwrn irhw hovygw myrI jnm imqI shI nw ilKy jwx dw[ AsIN iqMn Brw sW[ hux do hI rih gey hW ikauNik swfw ie`k Brw,ijs dw nW jsivMdr isMG 'AYlIAn' sI r`b ipAwrw ho cu`kw hY[ myrI ie`k hI BYx sI,ijhVI hux surgvws ho cu`kI hY[ suAwl: kI qusIN ies g`l 'qy vI cwnxw pwEgy ik quhwfy bcpn smyN quhwfI GrylU AwriQk hwlq ikho ijhI sI?
juAwb: qIr jI, swfI GrylU AwriQk hwlq koeI izAwdw cMgI nhIN sI[ drimAwny drzy dw hI swfw pRIvwr sI[ ies AwpW ieMj vI kih skdy hW ik 'fWg 'qy fyry' vwlI hI siQqI sI[ suAwl: kI qusIN AwpxI ivìdAk Xogqw bwry vI kuJ d`sgy? juAwb: myrI ivìdAk Xogqw dsvIN jmwq q`k hI hY[dsvIN jmwq mYN ^wlsw hweI skUl qrn qwrn qoN kIqI hY[mY pVHn dw qW bhuq SONk sI pr GrylU mzbUrIAW Aqy AwriQk qMgIAW-qurSIAW ny myrI ieh rIJ pUrI nhIN sI hox id`qI[ iPr vI mYN ieh d`sxw cwhvWgw ik mYN srivs krn dy nwl nwl igAwnI pws kr leI sI[ suAwl: quhwfy d`sx Anuswr dsvIN jmwq pws kr lYx auprMq qusW nOkrI krnI SurU kr id`qI sI[ kI qusI koeI pRweIvyt nOkrI kIqI hY jW auh srkwrI sI? juAwb: mYN rylvy ivBwg iv`c bqOr PwiermYn BrqI hoieAw sI Aqy kuJ smyN ip`CoN mYN PwiermYn gryf ey bx igAw sI[ ies smyN hI mYN nOkrI krn dy nwl nwl igAwnI dI pRIiKAw vI pws kr leI sI[ suAwl: quhwfI SwdI kdoN hoeI hY? zrw ivsQwr nwl AwpxI ivAwhuqw ijMdgI bwry vI d`so[ juAwb: sMn 1957 iv`c myrI SwdI srdwrnI mihMdr kOr spuqrI s. ibSn isMG vwsI krqwrpur izlHw jlMDr nwl hoeI hY[ ivAwhuqw jIvn ûSIAW BirAw hY Aqy sMqwn vjoN myry do byty Aqy do hI bytIAW hn[ suAwl: myrI jwxkwrI iv`c hY ik qusIN A`j k`lH ieMglYNf vwsI ho[ ieh jwxnw cwhvWgw ik bwhr jwxw quhwfw SONk sI jW koeI mzbUrI? juAwb: dyS qoN bwhr jw ky v`sxw nw qW myrw SONk sI Aqy nw hI koeI mzbUrI[ ieh ie`k sb`b hI sI[ mYN pVHweI ^qm krn auprMq srivs kr irhw sI Aqy Awpxy ipqw jI nwl Gr clwaux leI AwriQk mdd vI krn l`g ipAw sW[ Gr dI hwlq suDr rhI sI[ myrI pqnI dy v`fy BweI swihb s.ipAwrw isMG jI pRIvwr smyq ieMflYNf iv`c rihMdy hn[ aunHW dw 17 swl dw lVkw suirMdr isMG(iSMdI) vI ie`k &rm iv`c kMm krdw hY[ aus &rm dy mwlk ny iSMdI dy kMm 'qy ûS ho ky ie`k idn aus ikhw sI ik aus ie`k vocr (Voucher) dyxw cwhuMdw hY ijs qy auh iksy ie`k AwdmI lgvw skdw hY[ ieh g`l 1967-68 dI hY[ suirMdr ny Awpxy mwlk ausy vyly qW koeI jvwb nw id`qw pr ieh kih ky twl id`qw ik auh Awpxy ipqw jI nwl g`l krky d`sygw[ ijs A`j k`lH vrk pRim`t AwKdy hn aus audoN vocr ikhw jWdw sI[ s. ipAwrw isMG hurW ieh ikhw ik jykr qyrw mwlk vocr dyxw hI cwhuMdw hY qW ie`k nhIN iqMn vocr dyvy[ aus dy mwlk ny suirMdr iqMn vocr hI zwrI kr id`qy sn[ ieh myrI izMdgI dw ie`k moV sI ik mYN aus vocr 'qy sMn 1968 iv`c ieMglYNf phuMc igAw sW[ suAwl: pRdys iv`c mW qW nhIN bYTI huMdI,ijhVI quhwfw iÂwl r`KygI[ 'lok prwey dys bygwnw' hox krky bwhr jwx vwly AnykW musIbqW dw swhmxw vI krnw pYNdw hovygw[ quhwfy nwl ikMJ vwprI sI? juAwb: ieh s`c hY ik AwpixAW dI Gwt dw Aihsws AwpixAW qoN dUr ho ky huMdw hY[ mYN ies g`l qoN ies krky bc igAw sW ikauNik myrI pqnI dw Brw au~Qy sI ijs kol myrw Tihrn dw pRbMD ho igAw sI[ quhwfI ieh g`l s`c hY ik aus AwdmI leI qW musIbqW hI musIbqW huMdIAW hn, ijs dw koeI jwxkwr jW irSqydwr au~Qy nhIN huMdw[ sB qoN v`fI AOkV qW rihx dI huMdI hY[ mYN au~Qy Aijhy lokW vI vyiKAw hY jo ies musIbq dI mwr sih rhy sn[ suAwl: pRdys iv`c rihMidAW hoieAW jdoN ip`Cy Awpxy vqn iv`c koeI du`K-su`K vwpr jWdw sI qW quhwfI mno-dSw iks qrHW dI ho jWdI sI? myrw Bwv hY ik kI qusIN swry bMDn qoV ky vwps Awpxy vqn muV Awaux leI nhIN sI kdy soicAw?
juAwb: (ie`k Awh Br ky Aqy kuJ smyN leI ruk ky) kI pu`Cdy ho? Aijhw hoieAw sI myry nwl vI[ ieh auh smW sI jdoN myry Brw s. jsivMdr isMG 'AYlIAn' dI mOq dI ^br imlI sI[ jIA krdw sI ik au~f ky qrn qwrn phuMc jwvW[ pr mzbUrI sI eyfI CyqI ikvyN phuMc jWdw! Aihsws Aqy bybsI dy auh pl A`j vI Xwd Awaux 'qy A`KW Br AwauNdIAW hn[ ie`k swl au~Qy nOkrI krn ip`CoN mYN vwps vqn AwieAw sI[ ijs PYktrI iv`c mYN kMm krdw sI aus dw kMm ^qm ho igAw sI ijs krky swfI Cu`tI ho geI sI[ suAwl: kI qusIN p`ky qOr qy hI ieMglYNf Alivdw kih Awey sI jW dubwrw gey sI? juAwb: ijnHw dosqW nwl mYN kMm krdw sI aunHW kih AwieAw sW ik jdoN iksy hor cMgI &rm iv`c nOkrI inkly mY sUicq kr dyxw mYN Aw jwvWgw[ ie`k swl Awpxy pRIvwr nwl rihx ip`CoN mY ieqlwh imlI sI ik ie`k cMgI &rm iv`c nOkrI inklI hY[ so mYN dubwrw ieMglYNf clw igAw sI Aqy "vYnzbrI itXUb &YktrI" iv`c nOkrI kr leI sI[ ies &YktrI iv`c qWby dIAW itXUbW bxdIAW sn[ ies &rm iv`c mYN qIh swl nOkrI krn ip`CoN syvw mukq hoieAw hW[ suAwl: qusIN lMmy smy qoN ieMglYNf iv`c ho[ kI d`s skdy ho ik aunHW lokW dI swfy au~Qy gey lokW bwry soc ikho ijhI hY? juAwb: sMn 1950-1980 dy smyN iv`c au~Qy jwx vwly lok izAwdw krky AnpVH sn[ auh imhnq mzdUrI krn vwilAW 'c Swml sn[ ieh ie`k v`fw kwrn sI ik au~QoN dy mUl vwsI sw auj`f Aqy gvwr smJdy sn[ aunHW dI soc sI ik AsIN AsiBX lok hW[ iesy krky auh sw n&rq krdy sn[ swfy vwsqy auh l&z "blYkI" dI vrqoN krdy sn[ A`j k`lH bhuq qbdIlI Aw geI hY[ suAwl: AjokI nsl iv`c bwhr jwx dI ie`k qrHW nwl hoVH ijhI l`gI hoeI hY[ g`l kI Byfcwl jyhI bx geI hY ik mYN vI bwhr jwxw hY[ pMjwbI dI khwvq hY nw "qwey dI DI c`lI mYN ikauN rvHW iek`lI[" quhwfw kI ivcwr hY ik ieh TIk hY jW nhIN? juAwb: quhwfI g`l TIk hY Aijhw A`jk`lH ho irhw hY[ bwhr jwxw koeI gunwh vI nhIN pr loV ieh vyKx dI hY ik kI jwxw zrUrI hY? kuJ lokW kol ie`Qy swry swdn mOjUd hn ijs nwl auh cMgw jIvn jIau skdy hn[ ahu vI bwhr bwhr krI jw rhy hn[ keIAW BulyKw hY ik bwhr pYsy dw mINh pYdw hY[ auh borIAW Br ky lY Awauxgy[ au~Qy h`f BMnH ky imhnq krnI pYNdI hY qW hI guzwrw huMdw hY[ Aijhy lokW bwhr jw ky mzdUrI krn dI koeI quk nhIN bxdI ijnHW kol ie`Dr hI jIaUx dy swDn hn[ hW, ijnHW kol koeI swDn nhIN hn aunHW leI bwhr jw ky kmweI krnw myrI jwcy koeI gunwh nhIN hY[ vyKx iv`c AwieAw hY ik cMgy Bly,r`jypuzy Aqy GroN sOKy lok vI AwpxI zmIn vyc ky bwhr qury jw rhy hn[ imhnq krn vwly ienswn ie`Qy vI koeI Gwtw nhIN hY[ loV hY ivcwrn dI ik kI TIk hY Aqy kI Zlq[ suAwl: mYN jwxdw hW ik qusIN inrw vrkr hI nhIN ho, quhwfy AMdr ie`k kvI dI rUh vI v`sdI hY[ d`sogy ik qusIN kvI ikvyN bx gey? juAwb: myry jIvn iv`c Acwnk Gtx vwlIAW GtnwvW dw bhuq v`fw rol hY[ ijs qrHW bwhr jwxw vI ie`k sb`b hI sI ievyN hI myrI pRivrqI dw ilKx v`l muV jwxw vI ie`k sb`b hI ikhw jw skdw hY[ mYN ijs &YktrI iv`c kMm krdw sW ausy &YktrI iv`c hI ie`k hor vrkr myrI mSIn qoN kuJ hI gzW dy &wsly qy kMm krdw huMdw sI[ jdoN auh kMm kr irhw huMdw sI qW nwl nwl hI Awpxy mUMh iv`c kuJ nw kuJ guxguxwauNdw rihMdw sI[ ie`k idn mYN aus kol igAw Aqy puìCAw ik BweI swihb qusIN kI guxguxwauNdy rihMdy ho ? aus ny mY dìsAw ik auh gIq ilKdw hY[aus ny mY Awpxy gIq dy kuJ bol suxwey vI sn[ mY myry AMdrlw kvI vI jwg au~iTAw jwipAw[ mYN igAwnI iv`c pVHidAW kivqw bwry qW pihlW hI piVHAw hoieAw sI[ Agly idn mYN vI ie`k gIq dIAW kuJ sqrW aus ilK ky ivKweIAW qW aus ny ikhw ik QoVHI imhnq dI loV hY[ ies qrHW myrw ruJwn ies ^yqr v`l muV ipAw[
suAwl: kI qusIN AwpxIAW kivqwvW/gIqW ikqwbI rUp vI id`qw hY? juAwb: hW[" myrI sB qoN pihlW ijhVI ikqwb pwTkW dy drbwr iv`c pyS hoeI hY aus dw nW hY 'gurU nwnk qyry dr au~qy'[ ieh Dwrimk gIqW dI pusqk hY[ ies pusqk dw hI ie`k Dwrimk kivqw 'kYinkrof gurduAwry' iv`c piVHAw sI[ izMdgI dw ieh myrI pihlI kivqw sI ijs mYN Awm jnqw swhmxy boilAw sI[ies kivqw dy bol sn: "gurU nwnk qyry dr au~qy, mY sIs Jukwauxw Aw jwvy[ qyrI AMimRq rUpI bwxI ihrdy 'c vswauxw Aw jwvy[" myrI ies kivqw nwl hI myrI mulwkwq 'mwhI mukMdpurI' jI nwl hoeI sI, ijhVw ik ZzL ilKdw huMdw sI[ aus dy sMg iv`c Awaux krky hI myrw vI Zzl ilKx v`l JukwE hoieAw sI[ 'vy rwqIN isnmw vyKx igEN' ies dy pUry bol hn "vy rwqIN isnmw vyKx igEN, nw igEN d`s ky"[ ies ZIq pMjwb dI 'koiel' gwiekw suirMdr kOr ny AwpxI surIlI Awvwz iv`c gwieAw vI hY[ lweIN hor nw vYrIAw lwrw (ZIq) A`KW iv`c Awaux A`QrU (ZIq) ies gIq vI suirdr kOr ny AwpxI Awvwz id`qI sI[ s`c jwixE ieh gIq myry jIvn dI kmweI sI[ ieh gIq dy kuJ bol mYN quhw gw ky suxwauNxw cwhvWgw[ swfy lokW iv`c AwpxIAW DIAW pRdys iv`c ivAwh ky qW mn dw skUn imldw hovygw pr aus DI ijhVy du`K sihxy pYNdy hn mYN aunHW ies ZIq iv`c ibAwn ky aus dI qrzmwnI krn dI koiSS kIqI hY[ bol hn: "A`KW iv`c Awaux A`QrU,jdoN Xwd pyikAW dI Awey! mweyN qyrI DI lwflI, peI kUMj vWg kurlwey! L`KW hI vlYq iv`c eyQy BwvyN su`K nIN! JìlAw nw jWdw ieh ivCoVy vwlw du`K nIN!" iesy hI ZIq iv`c A`gy c`l ky aus g`l dw izkr huMdw hY ijs bwry qusW Awpxy suAwl iv`c puìCAw sI ik idl qy kI bIqdI hY jdoN Awpxy vqn iv`c sùK-du`K vwpr rhy huMdy hn Aqy ie`k ienswn pRdys iv`c bYTw huMdw hY[suxnw: "bwbly ny ivAwh jdoN vIry dw rcwieAw sI, idl jwxy idl myrw ikMj kurlwieAw sI! nw mYN n`cI nw mYN Sgn mnwey, A`KW iv`c Awaux A`QrU,jdoN Xwd pyikAw dI Awey!" "kdy qW pujwaU r`b idl dI jo Aws Aw! DIAW pRdysxW dw eyhIE Aihsws Aw! sdw locy mn 'kmlw' TMFI vwA pyikAW dI Awey! A`KW iv`c Awaux A`QrU,jdoN Xwd pyikAw dI Awey!" Aqy myrIAW bwkI pusqkW dw vyrvw ies qrHW hY:jdoN bwpU bwpU kihMdy sI (ZIq) siBAqw dy rwKy (kivqwvW) ûSboAW (Zzl sMgRih) ikrnW (Zzl sMgRih) s`c Cupwauxw TIk nhIN (mhW kwiv) siqgurU rvIdws jI (mhW kwiv) Aw^rI mMizl (sMpwdnw) jY gurdyv bulwauNdy c`lo nI cmkOr AY srhMdy
suAwl: kI quhwfI koeI AijhI rIJ sI pUrI nhIN ho skI Aqy ijs leI qusIN A`j vI sihkdy ho? juAwb: hW[ ies g`l dw Armwn A`j vI idl iv`c cIs bx ky cu`Bdw hY ik kwS! A`j mW-ipauN ijMdw huMdy Aqy ijhVIAW cIzW leI auh qrsdy hI ies zhwnoN qur gey hn, hux mYN jdoN ik auh aupl`Bd krvwaux dy smr`Q ho igAw hW, aunHW dy crnW iv`c r`Kdw[ suAwl: kI qusW swrw iltrycr Dwrimk hI iliKAw hY jW hor iviSAW 'qy vI AwpxI klm clweI hY? juAwb: mYN hr qrHW dy iviSAW qy iliKAw hY[ suAwl: kI qusIN Bwrq iv`c v`sx vwly nOjvwnW koeI sunyhw dyxw cwhogy?juAwb: mYN ieh kihxw cwhuMdw hW ik Awpxy dyS nwl dI rIs nhIN[ ijhVw ienswn ie`Qy h`f BMn ky imhnq kr skdw hY auh Bu`Kw nhIN mr skdw[ ivhlV vwsqy bwhrly mulkW iv`c vI koeI QW nhIN[ imhnq hI s&lqw dI kuMjI hY[ ies qoN jIA nw curwE[ jykr quhwfy kol ie`Dr koeI swDn jW vsIlw nhIN hY rotI-rozI dw, qW bwhr iksmq Azmw lYxW gunwh vI nhIN hY[ pr ijhVy lok ies ûSPihmI 'c hn ik bwhr mOzW hI mOzW hn, auh supinAW dw sMswr isrz rhy hn ijs iv`coN kuJ vI h`Q p`ly nhIN pYNdw[ jIvn Pu`lW dI syz nhIN hkIkqw dw kMifAW BirAw rwh hY[ jIvn suKwvW Aqy suinhrI bxwaux leI imhnq qoN ibnW hor koeI dUsrw rwh nhIN hY[ swfI ies CotI ijhI pr ArQ BrpUr mulwkwq dw swrAMS ieh hI sI ik 'kmlw' jI ny Awpxw AMdrlw Awpw ibnW iksy iJjk myry A`gy KolH ky Ajoky nOjvwnW bwhr dI ijMdgI dw s`c d`s id`qw sI ik rIso rIsI bwhrly mulkW v`l dOVnw koeI isAwxp nhIN hY[ ieh kih ky 'jo suK C`jU dy cubwry, auh bl^ nw bu^wry' 'klmw' jI ny myry koloN ivdw lY leI sI Aqy iPr imlx dw vwAdw vI kIqw sI[ r`b kry AijhI soc dw mwlk nOjvwnW leI hmySW p`Q drSk bxdw rhy[ AwmIn! *** o o
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kYptn sR. ipAwrw isMG mM ismRqI koeI jwq vMf nhIN sI sgoN ieh qW smyN dI loV Anuswr kyvl 'qy kyvl kMm vMf sI qW jo smwj dy kMmW dI shI FMg nwl sMcwlxw kIqI jw sky[ iesy leI smwj cwr ihìsAW iv`c vMifAw igAw sI[ aus smyN dy bu`DIjIvIAW smwz iv`c igAwn dy pRkwS PYlwaux Bwv ivìdAw dyx dw kMm sONipAw igAw sI[ lokW dI pyt pUrqI dw auprwlw krnw vI Aiq loVINdw kMm sI ijs leI ijnHW lokW ^yqIbwVI dw kMMm soNipAw igAw sI auh SRyxI vMf iv`c dUsry drjy qy AwauNdy sn[ ienHW dohW kMmW auprMq loV sI Awpxy dyS dI rKvwlI dI ijs leI rìÂkW dI ie`k SRyxI ieh kMm soNipAw igAw sI[ kihdy hn jdoN ku`qw vI bYTdw hY qW AwpxI pUC nwl pihlW QW sw& kr lYNdw hY[ hux AijhI kwmw (Labour) SRyxI dI vI loV sI ijhVI ieh kMm inBw sky[ loV mu`K r`KidAW hoieAW ieh kMm (kwmw/Labour) bwkI bcy lokW sONp id`qw igAw sI[ smW AwpxI qory qurdw igAw Aqy Awpxy nwl pRIvrqn dy bIz vI bIzdw igAw[ kMm vMf jwqI vMf iv`c qbdIl hoxI SurU ho geI sI ijhVI A`gy c`l ky ieMnIN p`kI ho geI sI, ik aus 'coN n&rq Aqy CUqCwq dy kMfy inklxy SurU ho gey sn[ bRwhmx lok Awpxy Awp au~c jwqI dy smJx l`g pey sn[ivìdAw dyxw jW lYxw auh au~c jwqI dy lokW dw h`k smJx l`g pey sn[ jykr koeI dUsrI jwqI dw mnu`K aucwry gey vyd mMqrW sux vI lYNdw sI qW szw vjoN ipGilAw hoieAw is`kw aus dy kMnW iv`c pw id`qw jWdw sI qW jo dUsrI jwqI dy lok ies qoN sbk lY skx ik ivìdAw pRwpq krnw aunHW dw h`k nhIN hY[ cOQI SRyxI (SUdr) dy lokW iGrxw dI nzr nwl vyKxw SurU ho igAw sI[ Asl iv`c ies SRyxI dy lok dUsry kwrzw iv`c shwiek vjoN kMm krdy sn[ imswl vjoN izmIdwr vwhI vwsqy sMdW dI loV sI ijhVw ik luhwr aus muheIAw krdw sI[ GrW iv`c pwxI dI loV pUrw krn leI Gumwr GVy bxw ky Aqy pYrIN pwaux leI ju`qIAW cumwr bxwauNdw sI[ ieh swry kwmy sn ijnHW kMmI dw nW dy ky durkwirAw jwx l`gw sI[ luhwr, Gumwr, cmwr Awid SbdW nIvIN jwq dw pRqIk mMinAw jwx l`gw sI[ krm(kMMm) vMf vrx-vMf iv`c qbdIl ho geI sI-bRwhmx, ^qrI, vYS Aqy SUdr[ myry ivSy dw nwiek aus SRyxI 'coN hY ijs dy ih`sy dyS dI surìÂw dw kMm AwauNdw hY[ ies vwsqy mYN ie`k sYink cuixAw hY ijs nwl hoeI myrI ieMtrivaU dw swr AMS ies qrHW hY: suAwl: kYptn s. ipAwrw isMG jI A`j mYN quhwfy nwl quhwfy jIvn sbMDI kuJ g`lW krnIAW hn[ Aws hY ik qusIN s`co-s`c au~qr idEgy? sB qoN pihlW kI qusIN Awpxy Aqy pirvwrk jIvn sbMDI kuJ d`sxw psMd krogy? juAwb: qIr jI, ies qoN pihlW ik mYN Awpxw ibRqWq SurU krW kuJ Ajoky smwijk FWcy bwry vI d`sxw cwhuMdw hW qW jo qusI myry AMdrly mnu`K bwry jwx sko[ ieh swfy smyN dw ie`k v`fw du^Wq hY ik mnu`K smyN dI qyz gqI 'qy kuJ hor kwrnW krky AMdroN hor Aqy bwhroN hor,do qrHW dw jIvn jIau irhw hY[ ies nwl smu`cy smwj iv`c hOlwpn qW AwieAw
hI hY, mnu`K AwpxI ûSI vI guAw bYTw hY[ bhuqI vyrW auh ûS Aqy sMquSt hox dw frwmw vI kr irhw huMdw hY[ mYN AMdroN ikho ijhw hW, mY pRmwqmw ny ijhVI soc Aqy bu`DI b^SI hY dy shwry d`sx dw Xqn krWgw[ swfw ipClw ipMf 'ausmw' hY ij`QoN AsIN au~T ky qrn qwrn Aw v`sy sW[ myrw jnm 20 AkqUbr,1934 mhMq vIr isMG jI dy buMgy dy ie`k kmry iv`c s. hzwrw isMG jI dy gRih ivKy mwqw eISr kOr jI dI ku`KoN hoieAw[ myry mwqw jI bhuq hI Dwrimk ibrqI dy sn[ bySk auh s^q suBwauy dy sn pr aunHW dy mUMhoN kdy vI s^q Sbd nhIN sn inkly[ myry ipqw jI Awpxy Brw s. swvx isMG jI qoN Coty sn[ myry ipqw jI vI dwnI s`jx sn[ aunHW dy dwnI suBwA dw pqw ies g`loN hI l`g jwvygw ik ie`k idn iksy s`jx ny aunHW qoN do rupey Awx mMgy ik aus bhuq izAwdw loV hY[ aunHW ny jyb vyKI auh qW KwlI sI[ auh J`t au~Ty Aqy bwhroN jw ky iksy hor s`jx qoN PVH ilAwey Aqy aus dI loV pUrI kr id`qI[ myry qwieAw jI dIAW do lVkIAW sn[ auh myry ipqw jI cwcw jI kih ky bulwauNdIAW huMdIAW sn[ aunHW dI rIso-rIsI AsIN vI Awpxy ipqw jI 'cwcw jI' hI kih ky bulwaux l`g pey sW[ myry mwipAW dy d`sx Anuswr myrw ie`k v`fw Brw vI sI ijs dw nW blvMq isMG sI[ myry jnm qoN pihlW hI auh r`b ipAwrw ho igAw sI[ aus dI Gwt mYN A`j vI mihsUs krdw hW[ myry qoN Coty myry hor iqMn Brw hn[ myrIAW do CotIAW BYxW vI sn ijnHW 'coN ie`k inrsMqwn hI guzr geI sI[ suAwl: qusIN ivìdAw ik`QoN q`k pRwpq kIqI hY[ zrw vyrvy nwl d`so? juAwb: ies qoN pihlW ik mYN AwpxI pVHweI bwry d`sW ieh zrUrI hY ik ieh zrUr d`sW ik myry ipqw jI bySk AnpVH sn pr aunHW AMdr pVHweI dI mh`qqw dw Aihsws sI[ myry ipqw jI sMswr dI pihlI lVweI (First World War) iv`c AMgryz POz v`loN lVy sn[ ies jMg dI ij`q dI ûSI vjoN Pu`tbwl dw ie`k pRdrSnI mYc KyifAw igAw sI[ aus mYc iv`c aunHW dy n`k dI h`fI tu`t geI sI[ ies dy ielwj vwsqy aunHW do mhIny PrWs dy ie`k hspqwl iv`c rihxw ipAw sI[ eyQy rihMidAW hoieAW hI aunHW ny skUlI isìKAw dy mh`qv cMgI qrHW vyiKAw Aqy smiJAw sI[ iesy soc ADIn hI aunHW ny mn bxw ilAw sI ik mYN bySk nhIN pVH sikAw pr Awpxy bìcAW zrUr pVHwauxw hY[ jdoN auh POj iv`coN syvw mukq ho ky Awey sn qW bìcAW dy suinhry Biv`K leI aunHW ny Awpxy ipMf ausmw C`f ky qrn qwrn Sihr iv`c vsoN kr leI sI[ jdoN myrI aumr cwr swl dI hoeI qW myry mwipAW ny mY qrn qwrn Sihr dy hI ie`k skUl ijs 'munwry vwlw' skUl kihMdy sn iv`c pVHny pw id`qw sI[ ieh skUl drbwr swihb dI ie`k bwhI ij`Dr munwrw bixAw hoieAw hY au~Dr hY iesy krky ies munwry vwlw skUl ikhw jWdw hY[ aus smyN swfI klws drbwr swihb dI pRkrmw iv`c hI l`gdI huMdI sI[ aus smyN dy AiDAwpk vI bVI lgn nwl ividAwrQIAW pVHwieAw krdy sn[ mY A`j vI Xwd hY swfy skUl dy hYfmwstr s. bUAw isMG jI sn[ pRwiemrI ies skUl qoN pws krky pMjvIN jmwq iv`c mYN sRI gurU Arjn dyv ^wlsw hweI skUl qrn qwrn iv`c dw^l ho igAw sW[ Sihr dy ijs pwsy swfI irhwieS sI au~QoN ieh skUl iblkul nyVy hI pYNdw sI[ A`j k`lH ies iemwrq iv`c sRI gurU Arjn dyv srkwrI kwlj c`l irhw hY[ ikauNik myry mwqw jI Dwrimk ivcwrW dy DwrnI sn ies leI aunHW dI soc dw rMg myry 'qy vI cVHdw jw irhw sI[ mYN Ajy sqvIN jmwq iv`c hI pVHdw sW ik mYN AMimRq Ck ilAw sI[ ies iv`c v`fw pRyrnw sroq igAwnI syvw isMG jI ijhVyy ik swfy AiDAwpk sn bxy sn[ dsvIN jmwq iv`c pVHweI dw zor kuJ v`D jWdw hY[ Gr iv`c ie`k hI kmrw sI Aqy Coty BYx Brw vI AwpxIAW KyfW iv`c rOlw pw C`fdy sn[ ibjlI dw cwnx vI Gr iv`c nhIN sI[ sVk 'qy AwvwzweI jdoN Gt jWdI qW mYN sVk iknwry l`gI lweIt iv`c pVHnw SurU kIqw[ ie`k fUMGI Swm jdoN mYN ies qrHW pVH irhw sW qW swfy hYfmwstr sR. srdwrw isMG jI bzwr iv`coN lMG rhy sn[ aunHW mY vyK ilAw[ Agly hI
idn hostl iv`c ie`k kmrw mY dy id`qw qW ik mYN byi&krI nwl pVHweI kr skW[ ies qrHW mYN dsvIN jmwq cMgy nMbrW iv`c pws kr leI sI[ suAwl: bcpn smyN quhwfI AwriQk hwlq ikho ijhI sI? juAwb: myry bcpn smyN Gr dI mwiek hwlq bhuq vDIAw nhIN sI pr Gr dIAW loVW pUrIAW huMdIAW sn[ kdI vI AYsw smW nhIN qìkAw jdoN iksy Gwt kwrn kdy qklI& AweI hovy[ mYN smJdw hW Swied ieh myrI bIbI (mwqw jI) jI dI Dwrimk soc Aqy gurU Gr iv`c inscy dw hI Asr sI[ ijvyN ik qusI jwxdy hI ho ik qrn qwrn mìsAw dw mylw l`gdw hY[ ies smyN mìsAw vyKx irSqydwr Awm Aw jWdy hn[ swfy Gr vI Aijhw hI sI[ mìsAw qoN pihlW hI Gr dI sw&-s&weI SurU ho jWdI[ bIbI jI syvw krky bhuq ûS hoieAw krdy sn Aqy ikhw krdy sn "s`cy pwqSwh! sB dw Blw krIN[iksy dy pYrW ip`Cy swfw ZrIbW dw vI[" ieh aunHW dw qkIAw klwm hI bx igAw sI[ suAwl: kYptn swihb, imltrI iv`c BrqI hoxw quhwfw SONk sI jW quhwfI mzbUrI? juAwb: s`c qW ieh hY ik imltrI iv`c BrqI hoxw nw hI myrw SONk sI Aqy nw hI mzbUrI[ ieh qW ie`k sb`b hI sI[ ijvyN ik mYN pihlW vI d`s cuìkAw hW ik GrylU hwlwq TIk TIk hI sn[ eyfI v`fI koeI qMgI vI nhIN sI ik imltrI iv`c BrqI ho ky aus dI pUrqI krdw[ Acwnk ieh sB kuJ vwpr igAw sI[ Swied myrIAW rotIAW imltrI dI mY~s iv`c phuMc geIAW sn ijnHW ny mY au~Dr iK`c ilAw sI[ hoieAw ies qrHW sI ik dsvIN dw nqIjw Ajy inkilAw vI nhIN sI ik swfy skUl iv`c POjI BrqI leI ie`k tIm Aw geI[ auh 14 swl qoN 15 swl dI aumr dy lVky BrqI krdy sn[ ieh BrqI b`cw kMpnI (Boys regiment) vwsqy sI[ mYN vI BrqI leI Swml ho igAw Aqy cuixAw vI igAw sW[ ieh sB Acwnk hI ho igAw sI[ nw qW mYN BrqI leI iqAwr sW Aqy nw hI Ajy koeI ivcwr sI[ Sugl Sugl nwl hI BrqI leI Swml hoieAw sW Aqy cuixAw igAw[ swfy skUl iv`coN hor vI cwr lVky BrqI hoey sn[ sw iqMn idnW ip`CoN cOQy idn m`D pRdyS dy Sihr jblpur ivKy isgnl buAweyz rYzmYNt iv`c phuMcx leI rylvy itkt Aqy BrqI dy kwgz dy id`qy gey sn[ myry bIbI jI ijhVy mY bhuq ipAwr krdy sn bVy hI pRySwn sn[ iqMn idn aunHW ny mY Awpxy lwigE ih`lx nw id`qw[ jdoN vI smW imldw mY AwpxI godI iv`c lY ky bYT jWdy[ Awi^r 29 AkqUbr,1949 AsIN jblpur phuMc gey[ ieh isgnl kor dw tRyinMg sYNtr hY[ so BrqI hoxw nw hI mzbUrI sI Aqy nw hI SONk sgoN rlvW imlvW sb`b hI sI[ suAwl: quhwfI SwdI kdoN hoeI[ pqnI dw nW Aqy sMqwn sbMDI vI kuJ d`so? juAwb: swfw smW A`j vrgw smW nhIN sI[ A`j k`lH qW pqw hI audoN l`gdw hY jdoN muMfw kuVI mW-bwpU dy pYrIN h`Q Aw lwauNdy hn[ lVky lVkIAW AwpxI mrzI dw jIvn swQI l`Bdy hn Aqy mwipAW dI cox 'qy n`k mUMh v`tdy hn[ audoN lVkIAW qW kdy zuArq vI nhIN sn krdIAW ik ies ivSy 'qy koeI g`l vI kr skx[ ieh g`l sMn 1952 dI hY[ AMimRq vyly hI swfy Gr dw bUhw KVikAw[ bUhw KolHx qy vyiKAw ik myry nwnikAW qoN myry mwmw jI dy ccyry BweI Awey sn[ aus ny AwauNidAW hI vDweI dy id`qI[ bIbI jI ny smiJAw ik Swied aunHW dI BrjweI dy Gr kwkw hoieAw hY[ A`goN aunHW vI vDweI dy id`qI[ mwmw jI ny dìsAw ik auh ipAwrw isMG leI Sgn lY ky AwieAw hY[ aus ny p`ly b`DI guV dI roVI Aqy rupeIAw k`F ky A`gy r`K id`qw[ qusIN sux ky hYrwn hovogy ik myry vwsqy AwieAw ieh qIsrw Sgn sI[ aumr myrI aus smyN muSkl nwl 18 swlW dI hI sI[ pihly Cuhwry dw qW mY pqw nhIN pr ipqw jI d`sdy huMdy sn ik jdoN mYN Cotw ijhw sW qW bwhr ij`Qy bMdy bYTy sn Sgun lwaux leI mY au~Qy jw nhIN sW irhw Aqy ro irhw sW[ ies g`l dI izd kr irhw sW ik jy bIbI jI nwl jwxgy qW jwvWgw[ iPr myry irSqy dI g`l ausy dI CotI BYx nwl c`lI sI pr auh vI nypry nhIN sI cVHI Aqy AwÎr qIsrI QW qy myrI SwdI 1954 eI: iv`c vYswKI vwly idn pRmimMdr kOr (aus dw pyikAW dw nW iCMdo hY) spu`qrI sR. sihjw isMG jI ijhVy ik s`cmu`c hI sihj AvsQw vwly
sn Aqy ipMf jlHyvwl vwly dy rihx vwly sn nwl ho geI[ myry mn iv`c sMqwn sMzm dw iKAwl pRbl sI pr ieh g`l qW doqr&I sI[ swfy Gr iqMn lVkIAW Aqy ie`k lVky ny jnm ilAw[ myrw ieh svw l`K (ie`ko ie`k) lVkw gurmIq isMG bI.ey. pws krn auprMq SyroN SUgr im`l iv`c bqOr ielYktRISn kMm krn ip`CoN ipCly iqMn swlW qoN jrmn igAw hoieAw hY[ suAwl: imltrI iv`c rihMidAW hoieAW Aksr qusIN pirvwr qoN dUr hI huMdy sI[ ieh dUrI dw Aihsws qusIN iks qrHW BoigAw hY? Gr dI Xwd Aqy bìcAW dw moh quhwfI nOkrI 'qy kI Asr krdw sI? ies Aihsws hyTW kI qusIN kdy nOkrI iqAwg dyx dw vI mn bxwieAw sI? juAwb: imltrI iv`c hox krky Aqy GroN bwhr rihx kwrn myrw pRBwv bìcAW 'qy bhuq G`t ipAw hY[ myrIAW bìcAW pRqI jo ^whSW sn auh pUrIAW nhIN ho skIAW[ mW dw pRBwv v`D hox kwrn smwijk cyqnw Aqy nYiqkqw dy p`KoN b`cy pCV gey sn[ ieh v`KrI g`l hY ik Awm qOr 'qy bhuq hI G`t lok ieh g`lW smJ sky hn (Swied mW dI AnpVHqw ies dw kwrn sI)[ myrI ie`Cw sI ik myrw pihlw b`cw jdoN pVHnXog hovy qW myry Gr G`to -G`t iqMn hzwr ikqwbW myrI Gr lwiebRyrI iv`c hox qW ik bìcAW dw igAwn p`Dr ivSwl hovy[ mYN Gr iv`c AijhI lwiebRyrI bxwaux iv`c kwPI h`d q`k qW kwmXwb ho igAw sW pr b`cy Gr iv`c isr& skUlI ikqwbW nwl hI icMbVy rihMdy sn[ aunHW ny myrw iek`Tw kIqw igAwn BMfwr ProilAw q`k nhIN sI[ ies 'qy mY bhuq inrwSw hoeI sI[ ieh TIk hY ik zmwny dy ihswb nwl auh kwmXwb hn pr aunHW dw bOiDk p`Dr, ij`Qy mYN aunHW vyKxw cwh irhw sI auh nhIN ho sikAw[ suAwl: kI quhw iksy lVweI iv`c ihsw lYx dw vI mOkw imilAw hY jW nhI? juAwb: bVI is`DI ijhI g`l hY, POz dw pihlw kMm hY dyS bwhrI hmly qoN bcw ky r`Kxw[ dUsry ArQW iv`c lVweI leI hmySw iqAwr rihxw[ ijhVw vI POz iv`c BrqI hovygw, mu`Fly qOr 'qy aus ie`k lVwky jvwn dI mu`FlI isìKAw lYxI huMdI hY[ ies qoN ielwvw hor vI bhuq kMm huMdy hn ijhVy lVweIAW smyN lV rhy jvwnW shI r`Kx,aus dIAW loVW vyKxw Aqy aus dy A`gy v`Dx dw rwh suKwlw krnw[ ies qrHW dy hor vI bhuq swry kwrz huMdy hn jo lV rhy jvwnW cVHdI klw iv`c r`Kx leI kMm krdy hn[ A`j k`lH dI lVweI iv`c ij`qx jW A`gy v`Dx dy nwl nwl G`t qoN G`t nukswn dw iDAwn r`Kx leI ikhw jWdw hY[ "dyS dI fI&YNs aus dIAW h`dW dy bwhroN huMdI hY[" Awzwd Bwrq hux q`k iqMn vyrW bwhrI hmilAW dw swhmxw krnw ipAw hY[ ie`k hmlw cIn v`loN Aqy do hmly swfy guAWFI mulk pwiksqwn v`loN hoey hn[ mY ie`k sYink hox dy nwqy ies g`l dw mwx hwsl hY ik mYN ienHW iqMnW hI lVweIAW iv`c Swml hoieAw hW Aqy iqMnW jMgW dy qmgy myrI CwqI 'qy cmkdy hn[ iqMnW hI mOikAW qy sb`b Aijhw sI ik mYN aunHW QwvW 'qy hI positf sW ij`QoN A`gy jMg lVI jw rhI sI[ pr duSmx dy AwhmoN-swhmxy hox dw smW nhIN l`gw Aqy ie`k vI golI mY imly hiQAwr iv`coN nhIN inklI[ iPr vI mY Awpxy ih`sy Awey Aqy kIqy kMm 'qy bVw mwx hY[ suAwl: lVweI iv`c qusIN mOq krIb qoN vyiKAw hY[ quhwfy swhmxy quhwfy swQI mr rhy hoxgy[ aus smyN quhwfy AMdr dy jzbwq ikho ijhy sn? juAwb: jdoN lVweI SurU ho jWdI hY qW aus vkq bhuqw kuJ socx vwsqy nhIN huMdw[ kMm vMifAw huMdw hY[[ ikvyN,kdoN Aqy ik`Qy kI krnw hY[ hukm jdoN imldw hY Aqy auh hukm ijnHW vwsqy huMdw hY aunHW ny auh kMm pUrw krnw huMdw hY[ Gr, b`cy Aqy AwpxI aumr kuJ vI Xwd nhIN rihMdw[ duSmx mwrnw hI ie`ko ie`k g`l idmwZ iv`c rihMdI hY[ ies dw kwrn ieh huMdw hY ik jykr AsW duSmx nw mwirAw qW auh sw mwr dyvygw[ jdoN mYN dsvIN jmwq iv`c pVHdw huMdw sW qW swfI AMgryzI dI ikqwb iv`c ie`k kivqw huMdI sI ijs dy bol ies qrHW sn:
"There is not to reason why. There is not to make reply. There is but to do or die." POz dw ie`k hI AsUl hY hukm mMnxw[ koeI imly hoey hukm dI pwlxw krnI Aqy ijhVw kMm quhw sONipAw igAw hY aus kro jW mro[ hukm AdUlI nW dw Sbd POz iv`c ikDry nhIN imldw[ suAwl: lVweI iv`c loQW qy loQW Aqy KuUn dy vihMdy dirAw ny quhwfI zmIr JMjoV ky kdy quhwfy AMdr ieh Aihsws pYdw nhIN sI kIqw ik Awi^r Brw Brw dw KuUn ikauN folH irhw hY? juAwb: lVweI dy dOrwn jW aus qoN pihlW ie`k qrHW dw mwhOl isrj id`qw jWdw hY ik zrUrI ho igAw hY, bMdUkW cu`kxw Aqy clwauxw[ ieh dyS dI pukwr hY[ jy nw lVy qW dyS brbwd ho jwvygw[ jdoN swQI if`gdy hn, bMb cldy hn, qopW goly su`tdIAW hn qW fr Aqy BYA mu`k jWdw hY[ aus smyN ieh hwlq huMdI hY: "jbY bwx lwgY qbY ros jwgY" suAwl: kI qusIN srivs dOrwn kdy ies g`l qoN du`KI hoey ho jdoN quhwfw A&sr quhw koeI hukm idMdw hY Aqy qusIN smJdy ho ik ieh Zlq hY pr mzbUrI v`s quhw aus dI pwlxw krnI pYNdI hY? juAwb: auh smW A&sos krn dw jW JUrn dw nhIN huMdw[ kmWfr hr p`Dr 'qy hONslw vDwauNdy hn[ ies iv`c koeI do rwvW nhIN ho skdIAW[ keI vyrW iksy Zlq id`qy gey hukm nwl nukswn vI huMdw hY[ ieh isr& au~prlI p`Dr 'qy hI ivcwrn dI g`l huMdI hY[ myry nwl AijhI hI Gtnw vwprI sI[ mYN duSmx dy vwierlYs cYnl vyK irhw sW[ aus dI kmzor qwkq krky Aqy kuJ mOsm dI ^rwbI krky TIk suxweI nhIN sI dy irhw[ AwpxIAW mSInW suDwrn dw kw&I Xqn kIqw g`l nw bxI[ lwgy ie`k ryfIE c`l irhw sI ijs qoN gwxy v`j rhy sn[ myrI PrIkUAYNsI vI nwl hI sI[ keI vyrW ryfIE stySn dI PrIkUAYNsI hwvI ho jWdI hY[ swfy mu`KI myrI kursI dy ipCly pwsy KVy sn ijnHW mYN nhIN sI vyiKAw[ aunHW ny myrw 'hY~f gIAr' Awpy lwh ilAw Aqy aus smyN aus 'coN gwxy Awaux l`g pey[ aunHW soicAw Swied mYN gwxy hI sux irhw hW[ auh nrwz ho ky mY fwtx l`g pey[ mYN qW pihlW hI pRySwn sw[ au~T ky Klo igAw Aqy pYNdI s`ty myry mUMhoN inkl igAw, "Look Captain, I am not working for you. I am working for the Nation. Had I have been working for you, I would have thrown out the set itself." ies gusqwÎ Bry jvwb sux ky Blw kYptn swihb ikvyN shwrdy? aunHW ny myrI cwrzSIt iqAwr krn dw hukm dy id`qw[ ijhVIAW d&w myry 'qy lgweIAW sn auh sn, auh sn kMm nw krnw,DoKw dyxw, sInIAr dw siqkwr nw krnw Awid[ dUsry idn kmWifMg A&sr swhmxy myrI pySI hoeI[ pySI dw POz iv`c ie`k FMg hY[ doSI dI bYlt (Belt) auqrvw leI jWdI hY Aqy aus dy K`by-s`jy do SsqrDwrI jvwn KVHy huMdy hn[ kmWfr doS pVH ky d`sdw hY Aqy juAwb mMgdw hY[ mY AwpxI scweI Aqy imhnqI hox 'qy mwx sI[ myrw au~qr sux ky hukm kIqw ik bwhr jwE, pytI pihnoN Aqy iek`lHy hI AMdr AwE[ kYptn swihb aunHW ny bYT jwx leI kih id`qw[ jdoN mYN dubwrw AMdr igAw qW mY bYT jwx leI ikhw igAw Aqy Awpxy au~qr iv`c mYN ijhVIAW kmIAW d`sIAW sn aunHW TIk krn dw suJwE puìCAw[ myry v`loN id`qy gey suJwvW qoN auh bhuq pRsMn hoey Aqy aunHW TIk krn dI ijMmyNvwrI vI myry 'qy hI pw id`qI geI sI[ qknIkI kys qknIk nwl hI nij`Ty jw skdy hn[ ieh kihx 'qy myrI cwrzSIt frwp (drop) kr id`qI geI sI[ suAwl: imltrI iv`coN qusIN iks Ahudy qoN syvw mukq hoey ho Aqy qusIN ikMnW icr nOkrI kIqI hY?
juAwb: ku`l imlwky qIh swl nOkrI krky mYN iblkul rwzI ûSI Gr AwieAw hW[ imltrI iv`c sUbydwr myzr dw Ahudw hwsl kIqw[ AÎrly swl AOnryrI lYPtInYNt dw mwx imilAw[ syvw mukqI smyN AOnryrI kYptn bx igAw sW[ ieh qW Gr Aw ky mihsUs hoieAw ik izMdgI dw sB qoN suinhrI Bwg POz dy lyKy lw AwieAw hW[ pr ieh mwx vI G`t nhIN ik swrI hI nOkrI cMgy FMg nwl kIqI[ dUsry SbdW iv`c kih skdw hW ik pUry 'tOhr' nwl kIqI[ suAwl: hux jdoN ik qusIN syvw mukq ho gey ho Aqy ie`k isvlIAn dI izMdgI jIA rhy ho[ kI qusIN imltrI Aqy isvl dI kwrguzwrI dy &rk qy kuJ cwnxw pwEgy? juAwb: POz dI srivs Aqy isvl dw kwPI AMqr hY[ jykr ies AMqr myt id`qw jWdw jW G`t kr id`qw jwvy qW mYN smJdw hW ik dyS dI A`j jo isAwsI, AwriQk Aqy smwijk dSw hY auh bhuq hI cMgI huMdI[ (1) sB qoN pihlW ieh ie`k soc dw &rk hY[ dyS dI AwzwdI qoN pihlW jW 1950 q`k jnqw dI ijho ijhI soc dyS pRqI sI auh soc iqMnW sYnwvW iv`c qW A`j vI hY[ byS`k sYnwvW iv`c ieh soc GtI zrUr hY pr Awm jnqw vWg ^qm nhIN hoeI[ pRgqI dy ^yqr iv`c dyS dy ivkws dI m`Dm gqI dw vI ieho hI kwrn hY[ (2) jykr lokW dI smwijk cyqnw dI g`l krIey qW AwzwdI pRwpqI qoN pihlW AMgryz hkUmq ny Drm dy nW 'qy lokW iv`c pwVw pwaux dy Xqn kIqy sn pr Awpxy AwSy iv`c auh pUrI qrHW kwmXwb nhIN sn hoey[ lokqMqr Aqy Drm inrp`K sMivDwn dy bwvzUd hr swl dyS dy iksy nw iksy ih`sy iv`c kqlo-Zwrd ho jWdI hY[ POz ies ibmwrI qoN mukq hY[ POz iv`c crc,mMidr Aqy gurduAwry nwl nwl hI huMdy hn[ au~Qy dUsirAW pRqI mMdBwvnw nhIN aupjx id`qI jWdI[ (3) qIsrw zrUrI &rk hY AnuSwsn dw[ ieh g`l qW Awm suxn iv`c AwauNdI hY ik POzI smyN Aqy AnuSwsn dy bVy pwbMd huMdy hn[ iksy kwrz dI pUrqI leI Zlq qrIkw nhIN vrqdy[ jdoN ik isvl dy lok dyrI nwl Awauxw Aqy Awpxy kMm Zlq qrIky nwl nypry cwVHnw auh Awpxw jnm is`D AiDkwr smJdy hn[ dyS Aqy smwj pRqI vPwdwrI dw gux ie`k sYink iv`c srivs smyN vI Aqy syvw mukqI auprMq vI bVw pRbl rihMdw hY[ ies dy ault ie`k isvlIAn ies gux dI guVHqI nhIN id`qI jWdI[ suAwl:bqOr syvw mukq imltrI A&sr kI qusIN dyS dy nyqwvW koeI suJwE dyxw cwhvogy, ijhVw imltrI AMdr v`D rhIAW kurIqIAW 'qy cwnxw pwauNdw hovy? juAwb: lokqMqr iv`c cMgy suJwA durl`B nhIN huMdy[ kndwnW Aqy isAwsqdwnW dy au~cy qoN au~cy ivcwr AsYNblI iv`c auplbd huMdy hn[ jo kuJ Zlq huMdw hY aus bwry Zlq krn vwly vI jwxdy huMdy hn ik ieh AnYiqk g`l hY iPr vI auh krdy hn[ bu`DImwn AKvwaux vwly lIfr keI vyrW Awm AwdmI dI soc p`Dr qoN vI nIvyN cly jWdy hn[ nYiqk isìKAw ie`k qrHW dw sbk hY ijhVw vfyrI aumr idAW nhIN id`qw jw skdw[ Bwv bu`Fy qoiqAW nhIN pVHwieAw jw skdw[ nYiqkqw Drm nwl sbMDq hY[ nyk krm hI Drm hY[ swfy skUlW dy islybs iv`coN Dwrimk isìKAw ^qm kr id`qw igAw hY[ iehI kwrn hY swfy smwj iv`c AnYiqkqw Aw vVI hY[ dUsrw FMg hY s^q szw[ kIqy zurm dI szw nhIN huMdI[ "kry koeI Bry koeI" dw isDWq c`ldw hY[ kql koeI krdw hY szw koeI Bugqdw hY[ cor ih`sw dy ky bc jWdy hn, kYd Bugqdy hn ivcwry swD[ suAwl: imltrI syvw smyN qusIN pUrn qOr 'qy ifspilnf huMdy ho Aqy ies qrHW dy AwdI ho jWdy ho[ pr jdoN syvw mukq ho ky Gr prqdy ho qW ie`QoN dy GrylU mwhOl nwl quhwfw qwlmyl nhIN bYTdw, ijs kwrn Gr iv`c iK`coqwx dI siQ`qI bx jWdI hY[ quhwfw qwlmyl bYT igAw hY jW ik nhIN? juAwb: sYink Aqy Awm SihrI (isvlIAn) iv`c AnuSwsn dw Prk qW zrUr hY[ ieh &rk mihsUs vI bhuq huMdw hY[ aus dw kwrn ieh sI ik pihly simAW iv`c swfy POzI izAwdw krky AnpVH huMdy sn jW A`DpVHy huMdy sn[ aunHW POzI zwbqy iv`c r`Kx leI
keI vyrW s^qI vI vrqI jWdI sI[ jdoN auh Gr AwauNdy sn qW AwpxI Awdq Anuswr 'ivgVI ihMdI' jW AwpxI bolI iv`c 'hmkI-qumkI' mwrdy sn[ POz qoN bwhr dw smwj aunHW 'kmly POzI' kihMdw sI[ myrw zwqI qzrbw ies qrHW dw nhIN sI[ mYN lMmI srivs krky vI aus qrHW dw POzI nhIN bx sikAw sgoN ies g`l dI ûSI hY ik pUrn qOr 'qy isvlIAn izMdgI vrgI hI izMdgI imltrI iv`c vI jIvI hY[ GrylU jIvn iv`c vI mYN smyN dI kdr kIqI hY hr kMm smyNb`D qrIky nwl hI kIqw hY[ jdoN vI ik`Dry jwx dw koeI pRogrwm bixAw aus leI jo smW inscq kIqw igAw aus ausy hI smyN 'qy kIqw igAw hY[ ies leI iksy dw ieMqzwr nhIN kIqw igAw BwvyN auh ik`fw vI in`jI skw-sbMDI ikauN nw hovy[ myry lVky dI SwdI sI Aqy swirAW d`s id`qw igAw sI ik brwq nwl koeI b`cw nhIN jwvygw[ mYN Awpxy dohqry dI bWh pkV ky b`s iv`coN auqwr id`qw sI[ bytI du`KI qW hoeI pr aus smJ Aw geI sI ik rUl sB leI ie`ko ijhw huMdw hY[ AmrIkw Aqy keI XUrpI dySW iv`c Swied iesy krky hI POzI syvw lwzmI hY[ ivìdAw dy pswr nwl hux koeI v`fw &rk nhIN rih igAw pr purwxIAW bxIAW AwdqW Aqy ies i^qy dy mnu`KI suBwA iv`c lwpRvwhI qW sihjy sihjy hI TIk ho pwvygI[ mY qs`lI hY ik smwj shI idSw v`l v`D irhw hY, cwl zrUr DImIN hY[ suAwl: ies g`l dI crcw huMdI hY ik isvl iv`c kurpSn hY jdoN ik imltrI ies bImwrI qoN mukq hY[ hux imltrI iv`c vI ieh burweI Awx vVI hY[ POz iv`c BrqI hox leI irSvq mMgI jWdI hY[ v`fy v`fy A&sr vI ies dI lpyt iv`c Aw gey hn[ jy imltrI iv`c vI isvl vWg irSvqôrI dw bolbwlw ho igAw qW quhwfI jwcy imltrI srivs dw Biv`K ikho ijhw hovygw? juAwb: bVy du`K dI g`l hY ik BwrqI sYnwvW iv`c JUT Aqy corI(kurpSn) ny Awx JwqI pweI hY[ pUry dyS ies g`l dw bVw mwx huMdw sI ik POz ienHW smwijk burweIAW qoN bhuq au~pr hY[ POzI sYink Awp vI ies g`l dw grv krdy huMdy sn[ ie`k g`l ijhVI izAwdw dùKdweI hY ik JUT Aqy byeImwnI dy jo kys PVHy gey hn aunHW iv`c izAwdw sInIAr A&sr hI Swml hn[ ies g`l dI ûSI vI hY ik sYink kmWf ny ies dw &OrI Aqy idRVqw nwl s^q kdm cu`k ky bhuq au~cy ruqibAW 'qy phuMcy A&srW dw kort mwrSl ibTw ky szwvW vI id`qIAW hn[ POz dy nW 'qy D`bw qW l`g hI igAw hY Aqy ies sw& krn iv`c kuJ smW qW l`gygw hI[ aumId kIqI jw skdI hY ik swrw kuJ CyqI hI TIk ho jwvygw[ ijqnI hwlq ivgV geI hY Aqy ivgV rhI hY aus iv`c POz hI hY jo shI rsqw d`s rhI hY[ jy kr ies ivgVn id`qw igAw qW iPr qW A`lHw hI bcwvygw! suAwl: imltrI 'coN syvw mukq hox auprMq A`j k`lH quhwfy kI ruJyvyN hn? imltrI syvw dy qzrby 'coN kuJ sWJw kridAW hoieAw koeI sunyhw vI dyxw cwhogy jW koeI ABu`l Xwd sWJI krogy? juAwb: 30 AkqUbr,1979 sYink syvw Alivdw kihx smyN ijhVI ivdwiegI pwrtI id`qI geI sI aus iv`c swfy fwierYktr jnrl swihb vI Swml hoey sn[ iqMnW hI sYnwvW (Ql sYnw,hvweI sYnw Aqy jl sYnw) dw sWJw momYNto, ijs iv`c iqMnW hI sYnwvW dy inSwn sn, mY snmwn icMnH vjoN id`qw igAw sI[ myry igAwn Anuswr Ql sYnw iv`c ieh mwx myry ruqby pihlI vyrW imilAw sI[ ieh idn myry jIvn dw mwx m`qw ABu`l idhwVw sI[ mn iv`c bVI rIJ huMdI sI ik Gr jwvWgy Aqy rozwnw svyry drbwr swihb jwieAw krWgy[ pRBU ny bVIAW AxsuKwvIAW GtnwvW 'coN bcw ilAw hY, aus dy crnW dI DUV m`Qy 'qy lwaux dw smW Aw igAw hY[ies nwl pihcwx dw Gyrw vI ivSwl hovygw[ drbwr swihb dI pRkrmw iv`c bYT ky sih dosqW nwl smwjI g`lW vI huMdIAW rihMdIAW sn[ crcw dw Awm krky ivSw v`K v`K huMdw sI: nOjvwn pIVHI dw pqn, aunHW dI Drm qoN v`DdI dUrI, A`qvwd dI B`TI iv`c Joky gey nOjvwn,pMjwb dI isAwsq Aqy ies dw ivgV irhw ichrw Awid[ swQIAW dy ivcwrW iv`c suBwvk g`lW vI AwauNdIAW[ vwpr rhy duKWq
dy kwrnW Aqy aus dy h`l FUMfx leI socW dy GoVy BjwauNdy rihMdy sW[ syvw mukq hox auprMq myry ruJyvyN kuJ ies qrHW dy rhy hn[ roz roz Swm imldy rihxw Aqy BKdy msilAW 'qy ivcwr krdy rihx nwl g`l eyQy in`bVI ik Swied AsIN gurU nwnk dyv jI dy b^Sy jIvn jwc dy &lsPy smJ hI nhIN sky[ gurbwxI dy cwnx iv`c sw ieh g`l bVI TIk l`gI[ ikauNik nw qW AsIN "sB ko mIq" bxw sky Aqy nw hI "sBnw ky swjx" bx sky hW[ ieh g`l sw Bu`l hI geI hY "nw ko bYrI nwih ibgwnw" iPr 'sgl sMg' nwl ikvyN "bx" AwvygI? gurbwxI,gur ieiqhws,rihq mrXwdw dw igAwn Aml dIAW pOVIAW hn[ Ajoky pVHy ilKy isAwxy lokW leI hux igAwn kyNdr cMgIAW ikqwbW hI ho skdIAW hn[ smyN dI qyzI ny eynW smW vI mnu`K kol nhIN rihx id`qw ik auh ngr kIrqnW dw Bwg bx sky jW GMitAW b`DI dIvwn dI rOxk bx sky[ ie`ko ie`k rwh bgYr pYsy KricAW rih igAw hY auh hY sMgq cMgw swihq pVHn imly[ Sihr hI nhIN sgoN hr muh`ly AwpxI lwiebRyrI dI loV hY[ ies ivcwr dI pRoVqw mgroN BweI swihb BweI mohn isMG jI vYd dy spu`qr vYd suKbIr isMG jI dI rihnumweI iv`c isr& fyV ku sO pusqkW nwl sMgqI Ardws krky ie`k lwiebryrI AwrMB kIqI geI[ lwiebryrI cwlU krn dw myrw suJwE pRvwn kr ilAw igAw sI[ lwiebryrI dw Awgwz qW ho igAw sI hux loV sI ies dI syvw inBwaux dI[ ieh syvw vI mY hI sONpI geI hY[ do GMty svyry Aqy do GMty Swm bqOr lwiebryrIAn mYN ipCly ds swlW qoN ieh syvw inBw irhw hW[ fyV sO pusqkW nwl ijhVI lwiebryrI dw AwrMB hoieAw sI hux aus iv`c pusqkW dI igxqI hzwrW q`k phuMc geI hY[ pwTkW dI igxqI vI qs`lIb^S hY[ mwstr kSmIr isMG jI ijhVy qrn qwrn zon dy 'is`K imSnrI kwlj' dy iencwrj hn, aunHW ny mY vI is`K imSnrI kwlj nwl joV ilAw hY[ ies qrHW imSnrI kwlj dw swrw iltrycr vI ies lwiebryrI iv`coN auplbd hox l`g ipAw hY[ bìcAW mu&q kIrqn isKlweI dw pRbMD ho igAw hY[ Akwl purK dI ikrpw nwl lwiebryrI do kmirAW iv`c vI CotI pYx l`g peI sI ijs krky hux ies vwsqy hwl dI iqAwrI ho rhI hY[ vwihgurU kry ieh qrn qwrn dw gihxw bx jwvy Aqy myrw izMdgI dw rihMdw smW AYsI syvw iv`c hI inB jwvy[ ieh hI myrI ie`Cw hY Aqy ieh hI rIJ[ kYptn sR. ipAwrw jI nwl g`l bwq kr ky mn qirpq ho igAw sI Aqy ies g`l dw vI Aihsws ho igAw sI ik AsIN Aijhy hI dyS pRym dw jzbw pwlx vwly sYinkW dI bdOlq su`KI Aqy i&kr rihq jIvn bqIq kr rhy hW[ AsIN jdoN rjweIAW dw in`G mwx rhy huMdy hW ieh vIr sYink dyS dIAW srh`dW 'qy brPIlIAW hvwvW iv`c jwgdy hoey dyS dIAW srh`dW qy pihrw dy rhy huMdy hn[ slwm hY Aijhy sYinkW dy krqv pwlx [ AwmIn! ***
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sR. hrBjn isMG jykr AsIN fr dI pRIBwSw krnI cwhIey qW ieh g`l swhmxy AwvygI ik fr Awpxy Awp iv`c kuJ vI nhIN huMdw sgoN swfIAW kmzorIAW dw sMgRih hI fr dw dUsrw nwm hY[ AsIN koeI glq kMm krdy hW qW zrUrI hY aus dw is`tw vI glq hI inklygw[ jykr koeI ik`kr dw bIz bIzdw hY qW iks qrHW Aws kIqI jw skdI hY ik aus AMb l`gxgy? ik`kr qW kMfy hI inklxgy[swfy kIqy hoey kukrmW dw hI pRqIrUp hY fr[ imswl dy qOr 'qy ie`k AwdmI iksy koloN irSvq lYNdw hY qW aus dy mn iv`c hmySW fr bixAw rhygw ikDry myry au~c AiDkwrI ies g`l dw pqw nw l`g jwvy[ iesy fr dI CW hyTW auh dUsry dy zwiej nzwiej hukm mMnx leI iqAwr rhygw[ dUsry pwsy jykr koeI ienswn s`c dI rwh 'qy c`l irhw hY qW auh iksy dI nzwiej DONs nhIN shygw[aus dw s`c aus bl dyvygw ik mYN jdoN koeI nzwiej kMm hI nhIN kIqw iPr dUsry dI glq g`l ikauN mMnW[ aus dw svY ivSvws Aqy svY AiBmwn kdy nhIN folygw[ is`ytw ieh hoieAw ik ijhVw iksy glq kMm dI pkV iv`c nhIN huMdw aus dw mn hmySW inrBYA rihMdw hY Aqy auh mwnisk qnwE iv`c nhIN jIaUNdw[ AwpxI ies h`QlI pusqk vwsqy mY ie`k Aijhy hI ienswn dI Bwl sI ijhVw Aijhy ^yqr iv`c irhw hovy ijs iv`c kurpSn dw bolbwlw hovy pr auh kwl^ iv`c rih ky vI Alyp Aqy inrMjn irhw hovy[ hoieAw ies qrHW sI ik myrw ijs dukwn 'qy au~Txw-bYTxw hY auh kpVy dI dukwn hY "ib`ly dI h`tI"[ie`k idn dukwn dy mwlk bsMq lwl aurP 'lwtI' ny mY dìsAw ik mYN ijs qrHW dy ienswn dI Bwl iv`c hW auh Aijhy AwdmI jwxdw hY Aqy aus nwl mY imlw dyvygw[ ijs ienswn dI mY Bwl sI Awi^r auh iml hI igAw[aus nwl aus dy jIvn dIAW vwprIAW GtnwvW sbMDI kIqy crcy dw swrAMS ie`k ieMtrivaU dy rUp iv`c pyS hY:suAwl: s.hrBjn isMG jI kI qusIN Awpxy bcpn Aqy pRIvwr bwry d`sogy? juAwb: myrw jnm s. gurw isMG jI dy gRih ivKy mwqw hrbMs kOr jI dI ku`KoN imqI 08meI,1952 ipMf kYrovwl,ijhVw ik qrn qwrn qoN Jbwl jwx vwlI sVk 'qy qrn qwrn qoN koeI cwr ku iklo mItr dI dUrI qy vwikAw hY iv`c hoieAw[ myry iqMn Brw hn Aqy do BYxW vI hn[ myry ipqw jI vwhI krdy hn[ swfw pRIvwr drimAwny drzy dw ijmINdwrw pRIvwr hY[ AwriQk p`KoN AsIN koeI izAwdw qkVy nhIN sW[ suAwl: hux kuJ AwpxI ivìdAk Xogqw bwry vI cwnxw pwE, ik qusIN ik`QoN q`k pVHy hoey ho Aqy ieh ik`QoN ik`QoN pRwpq kIqI hY? juAwb: pMjvIN jmwq q`k mYN Awpxy ipMf dy skUl iv`c hI piVHAw hW[ CyvIN qoN igAwrHvIN jmwq q`k dI pVHweI mYN gOrimMt hwier sYkMfrI skUl qrn qwrn ijs mMfI vwlw skUl vI kihMdy hn, iv`coN kIqI hY[ bI.ey. pwrt-I q`k mYN sRI gurU Arjn dyv kwlj,qrn qwrn iv`c piVHAw hW[
suAwl: kI kwrn sI qusIN Awpxw pVHweI dw s&r ADvwty hI C`f id`qw sI? kI pVHn iv`c rucI nhIN sI jW koeI hor kwrn sI? ies bwry ivsQwr nwl d`so[ juAwb: pVHn dw qW mY bhuq SONk sI pr pVHweI C`fx dw v`fw kwrn vI Gr dI qMgIqurSI hI sI[ Gr iv`c kmwaux vwly iek`ly myry ipqw jI hI sn[ t`br dy Kwx vwly AsIN s`q jIA sW[ vwhI joqI Gr dIAW loVW pUrIAW nhIN sI kr rhI[ myrI Awqmw ny mY ies g`l leI JMjoiVAw ik hux jdoN ik mYN jvwn ho igAw hW,ikauN nhIN Awpxy ipqw dI bWh bxdw Aqy GrylU kwrzW iv`c aunHW dI mdd krdw[ ieh soc ky hI mYN pVHweI C`f id`qI sI[ suAwl: pVHweI iqAwg ky qusIN ikhVw rwh ApxwieAw sI? juAwb: mYN soicAw sI ik jy.bI.tI krky tIcr l`g jwvW pr mY jy.bI.tI iv`c dw^lw nhIN sI imilAw[ mYN puils iv`c BrqI hox leI AwpxI iksmq AzmweI kIqI qW ie`Qy iksmq myrw swQ dy geI Aqy mYN 19-12-1974 bqOr ispwhI puils iv`c BrqI ho igAw sI[ suAwl: puils iv`c BrqI hox qusIN kI AwKogy, SONk jW mzbUrI? juAwb: ies qusIN SONk vI kih skdy 'qy mzbUrI vI[ jdoN koeI ienswn AijhI siQqI iv`c huMdw hY, ij`Qy pihlI loV rotI dI huMdI hY qW SONk kI Aqy mzbUrI kI? 'pyt nw peIAW rotIAW sBy g`lW ôtIAW'[ iksy ny Bu`Ky A`gy bwq pweI qW aus ny J`t juAwb id`qw sI 'rotI'[ so vIr myry ijhVw ienswn smyN dy nwl nhIN c`ldw auh ip`Cy rih jWdw hY[ smW aus muAw& nhIN krdw[ ipqw jI nwl mddgwr bxnw smyN dI loV sI[ nOkrI iml geI smJ lvo myrw SONk hoieAw, nOkrI krnw aus smyN dI mzbUrI vI sI[ suAwl: jykr qusIN puils iv`c BrqI nw huMdy qW kI bxdy? juAwb: dUsrw rwh myry vwsqy &Oj iv`c BrqI hoxw sI[ izAwdw krky izmIdrW dy muMfy &Oj iv`c hI BrqI huMdy hn[ auh izAwdw pVHy-ilKy vI nhIN huMdy mYN qW iPr vI bI.ey. pwrt-1 q`k piVHAw hoieAw sW[ jy.bI.tI iv`c dw^lw nhIN sI imilAw,jykr puils iv`c BrqI nw huMdw qW &Oj iv`c BrqI hoxw qW v`t 'qy ipAw sI[ puils mihkmy dIAW rotIAW nsIbW iv`c sn ies leI ies iv`c BrqI ho igAw sW[ suAwl: quhwfI SwdI kdoN hoeI? Awpxy ivAwhuqw jIvn bwry vI kuJ d`so? juAwb: Sied sMn 1980 jW 1981(QoVHw ijhw idmwZ 'qy zor pw ky qy soc ky) iv`c myrI SwdI hoeI sI[ ies vyly sMn pUrI qrHW Xwd nhIN AwauNdI[ myrI SwdI srdwrnI jsivMdr kOr spuqrI s. hrBjn isMG vwsI ipMf kot muhMmd ^W (nyVy ipMf FotIAW) izlHw qrn qwrn nwl hoeI hY[ myrI sMqwn vjoN myry do lVky Aqy ie`k lVkI hY[ suAwl: qusIN pils mihkmy iv`c rhy ho Aqy lokW nwl quhwfw Awm vwsqw irhw hY[ quhwfI soc Anuswr ie`k puils krmcwrI dw Aks Awm jnqw dI inZwh iv`c ikho ijhw hY? juAwb: pbilk ies kurpt hI smJdI hY[ pbilk iv`c ie`k puilsmYn dw Aks koeI izAwdw vDIAw nhIN hY[ ho skdw hY swry hI kurpt nw vI hox pr izAwdw krky ies ivBwg dI soc ie`k nukwqI pRogrwm v`l hY, dUsry dI zyb iv`coN pYsw ikvyN kìFAw jwvy[ iesy soc ny hI ies ivBwg dy AiDkwrIAW Aqy krmcwrIAW dy m`Qy 'qy ieh lybl lw id`qw hY, kurpt hox dw lybl[ g`l ie`QoN q`k ivcl geI hY ik koeI Blwmwns AwdmI qW ienHW dy mUMh vI l`gxw psMd nhIN krdw[ ies ivBwg dw qwxwbwxw hI ies qrHW dw bx igAw hY ik ijhVw irSvq nhIN lYNdw, aus dy dUsry swQI aus mUr^ smJdy hn Aqy ijhVw irSvq lYNdw hY aus lokW koloN kurpt hox dw srtIPIkyt iml jWdw hY[ hwlq s`p dy mUMh kohV ikrlI vwlI bxI hoeI hY[ mYN smJdw hW ies iv` c izAwdw ksUrvwr swfw Ajokw isstm vI hY[ suAwl: quhwfy nwl ies ivSy 'qy crcw kridAW hoieAW mY i&lm 'Sohly' dy ie`k fwielwZ dw cyqw Aw igAw hY ijs iv`c ie`k pwqr 'vIrU' Awpxy dUsry swQI 'jX' pu`Cdw hY ik kI qY Xwd hY jdoN AwpW ipClI vwr Qwxy iv`c bMd sI qW iehI Qwxydwr sI[ hY, nw? jX juAwb idMdw hY ik mY qW swry puils vwilAW dIAW SklW ie`ko ijhIAW hI
l`gdIAW hn[ myrw Bwv hY ik Aijhw ikauN AnuBv huMdw hY ik swry puils vwilAW dI soc l`gBg ie`ko ijhI hI huMdI hY? juAwb: ies iv`c koeI dUsrI rwey nhIN ik ies ivBwg dy krmcwrI cMgI soc dy mwlk nhIN hn[ AwdmI dy jo AMdr huMdw hY auhI aus dy ichry 'qy huMdw hY[ AMgryzI iv`c khwvq hY "Face is the index of mind" swfy AMqwkrx dw pRCwvW hI swfy ichry 'qy pYNdw hY[ swfy AMdrlw mnu`K bwhrly nwloN v`Krw hY[ auh swfI soc dw drpn hY[ koeI AwdmI jmWdrU cor nhIN huMdw sgoN izAwdw krky sMgq dI rMgq hI aus dy cor bxn dw kwrn bxdI hY[ qusIN Swied ies q`Q jwxdy hovogy ik jdo koeI corI krn jWdw hY qW aus dI AMqr Awqmw aus Aijhw krn qoNrokdI hY[ jykr ruk igAw qW bc igAw[ jykr nhIN ruikAw Aqy vwr vwr Aijhw krdw igAw qW aus dy AMqwkrx au~qy holI hOlI kukrm dI eynIN mYl cVH jWdI hY ik aus AwpxI Awqmw dI Awvwz hI suxnoN ht jWdI hY[ iPr aus dw ichrw auho ijhw bx jWdw hY ijho ijhw qusIN kih rhy ho[ ieh ie`k pihlU hY jdoN ik ies dw dUsrw pihlU ieh vI hY ik vrdI iv`c swry ie`ko ijhy hI jwpdy hn pr cMgAweI dw bIz vI nws nhIN hY[ quhw imlx Aqy aus jwnx ip`CoN hI aus dw AslI ichrw id`sygw[ suAwl: QwixAW dy AMdr-bwhr ieh slogn ilKy huMdy hn "puils quhwfI syvw iv`c[" puils ikho jyhI syvw v`l ieSwrw krdI hY? ik`Dry ies dy ArQ iksy Blymwxs dI mwrkutweI v`l qW ieSwrw nhIN krdy? juAwb: puils hI ie`klI nhIN, l`gBg swry hI srkwrI Aqy ZYr srkwrI mihkimAW dy mulwzm iesy qwk iv`c rihMdy hn ik Awpxy kMm leI Awey hoey pRwxI qoN pYsy iks qrHW btorny hn[ puils kuJ izAwdw hI bdnwm hY[ mYN pihlW vI ikhw sI ik ies iBRStwcwr vwsqy swfw isstm izMmyNvwr hY[ jdoN koeI BrqI huMdw hY qW aus irSvq dyxI pYNdI hY[ BrqI ho ky auh kI krygw? aus qoN kI Aws r`KI jw skdI hY? auh v`j ky AwKygw, pYsy dy ky l`gy hW, pYsy ikauN nw kmweIey? ijhVw bIz hI inkMmw hY aus bIz qoN ie`k cMgw ru`K bxn dI kI Aws r`KI jw skdI hY[ suAwl: d`bI zbwn nwl ikhw jWdw hY ik corI, kql,fwkw jW hor vwrdwq hox qoN pihlW hI puils pqw huMdw hY[ kI ieh s`c hY? juAwb: Aijhw kyvl 20% kysW iv`c mMinAw jw skdw hY[ koeI Qwxydwr nhIN cwhuMdw ik aus dy ielwky iv`c AijhI Gtnw vwpry[ Aijhw hox 'qy aus dI vI i^cweI huMdI hY[ aus dI qr`kI dy rwh iv`c vI ieh roVw bxdI hY[ kql dw kys dbwieAw nhIN jw skdw[ ies dw prcw (F.I.R) k`txw hI pYNdw hY[ dUsry kysW iv`c ieh g`l kuJ h`d q`k mMnxXog hY[ suAwl: ieh ikhw jWdw hY ik zyb kqry,njwiez Srwb k`Fx vwly Aqy hor in`ky-moty mwVy kMm krn vwly zrwiem pySw lok qW kI smglr vI puils mhInw Brdy hn[ kI ieh TIk hY? juAwb: iblkul s`c hY[ ieh sB kuJ ho irhw hY[ suAwl: d`sdy hn ik QwixAW dI drzwbMdI hoeI huMdI hY Aqy ienHW iv`c l`gx leI Qwxydwr v`loN bolI lgweI jWdI hY[ kI ieh vI TIk hY? juAwb: ieh vI s`c hY[ suAwl: kI ieh TIk hY ik puils dI kwrguzwrI iv`c isAwsI d^l AMdwzI vI zurm h`lwSyrI imlx dw ie`k kwrn bxdw hY? juAwb: ieh TIk hY[ isAwsI d^l AMdwzI zurm dI ip`T QwpVdI hY Aqy zurm dy v`DxPu`lx dw kwrn vI bxdI hY[ kWgrs srkwr vyly ieh d^l AMdwzI G`t sI jdoN ik AkwlI srkwr vyly izAwdw huMdI hY[ suAwl: AsIN Aksr tI.vI 'qy dUsry mulkW dI puils dw ikrdwr vyKdy hW, qW Awpxy dyS dI puils nwl iGrnw huMdI hY[ kI qusIN puils, ^ws krky pMjwb puils dy rveIey iv`c koeI pRIvrqn hox dI koeI Aws r`Kdy ho?
juAwb: swfI puils Bu`KI hY[ puils s`c JUT dw pqw huMdw hY[ ies dy bwvzUd vI auh Awpxy iF`f pihl idMdy hn[ khwvq hY "KUh iv`c if`gI ie`t su`kI nhIN inkldI[" iesy qrHW ie`k Blwmwns Qwxy igAw su`kw nhIN Aw skdw[ hW, jykr aus kol koeI isAwsI zor hY jW koeI hor qkVw swDn hY qW Swied su`kw inkl Awvy,nhIN qW nwmumikn[ bwhrly dySW dI puils dw kOmI kRYktr hY[ auh AslI ArQW iv`c "puils quhwfI syvw iv`c" dI g`l inBw rhy hn[ myrI jwcy ie`Qy qW Ajy koeI Awswr nhIN id`sdy ik suDwr hovygw jdoN q`k au~prly Awp nhIN suDrdy[ suAwl: qusIN puils ivBwg iv`c iks iks Ahudy 'qy rhy ho? juAwb: mYN sMn 1975 iv`c nkodr iv`c Cotw munSI,1976-77 rIzrv Pors iv`c, 1978-79 fvIXn nM:3 jlMDr Aqy fwierI munSI dy nwl nwl guMfw stw& jlMDr iv`c irhw hW[ 1978 iv`c fwierI munSI Awdmpur irhw hW[ ie`Qy inXukqI smyN hI myrw AYksIfYNt ho igAw sI Aqy myrI l`q tu`t geI sI[ imqI 31-05-2010 mYN ies ivBwg iv`coN syvw mukq hoieAw hW[ suAwl: qusIN puils ivBwg iv`c rhy ho Aqy ies dI kwrguzwrI nyiVEN vyiKAw hY[ ies ivBwg dI kurpSn dw vI qusW ûlwsw kIqw hY[ kI qusIN d`sogy ik puils dy mYly Aks dy bwvzUd vI qusIN ies iv`c iks qrHW ivcry ho? juAwb: jdoN bwkI swrIAW g`lW s`co-s`c hoeIAW hn qW ies g`l vI ikauN lukwvW[ sMn 1985 qoN pihlW q`k mYN vI ausy gMdy hmwm iv`c Ûb il`biVAw hW[ mY vI r`j ky kurpSn kIqI sI[ myrI hvs ie`QoN q`k vD geI sI ik ie`k vyrW pYsy lYx dI ^wiqr mYN Aqy myrw ie`k swQI ispwhI ie`k 'rwA is`K',ijhVy ik zrwiem pySw mMny jWdy hn Gyr ky Qwxy lY Awey sI Aqy aus A`gy Srq r`KI sI ik jykr auh AswfI hQylI Zrm kr dyvygw qW AsIN aus C`f dyvWgy pr aus kol pYsy hI nhIN sn ies leI AsIN aus C`f dyx dw &Yslw kr ilAw sI pr swf S.H.O.AVH igAw sI Aqy aus ny aus 'qy Srwb dI B`TI pw id`qI sI[ ieh myrI izMdgI dw ie`k pihlU hY[ kihMdy hn "sMgq dI rMgq" huMdI hY[ myry mn iv`c ies soc ny jnm lY ilAw sI Awi^r mYN ieh pwp ijnHW leI krdw hW aunHW ny vI AMq smyN myry bylI nhIN bxnw iPr ikauN Aijhw kr irhw hW? myrw JukwE AiDAwqimk v`l Jukx l`g ipAw sI ijs ny myrw kwieAw-klp kr ky r`K id`qw sI[ pihlw hrBjn isMG, ispwhI hrBjn isMG mr cu`kw sI Aqy aus dI QW ie`k rihm idl hrBjn isMG ny jnm lY ilAw sI[ mYN soicAw krdw sW ik A`gy jw ky zmdUqW dy iC`qr ju Kwxy hn ie`Qy hI Awpxy sInIArz dy Zlq kMmW iv`c swQ dyx qoN ienkwrI ho ky aunHW qoN Kw lYxy sO drzy cMgy hn[ suAwl: kI qusIN smJdy ho ik qusIN puils mihkmy dy iP`t nhIN sI? juAwb: nhIN, ieh g`l ies qrHW nhIN[ mYN puils mihkmy dy iP`t sI pr puils A&sr myry iP`t nhIN sn[ ikauNik mYN iensw& psMd sW, jdoN ik ieh g`l aunHW hzm nhIN sI huMdI[ suAwl: qusIN Awpxy A&srW dI soc Anuswr nhIN sI c`ldy Aqy AwpxI Awqmw dI Awvwz Anuswr krdy sI[ kI Aijhw krnw quhwfy vwsqy muSklW nhIN sI KVIAW krdw? juAwb: dirAw iv`c rih ky mgrm`C nwl vYr kmwauxw koeI sOKI g`l nhIN huMdI[ ies dw mY mu`l vI qwrnw ipAw sI[ aunHIN idnIN Aqvwd dw zor sI[ Swied quhw Xwd hovygw ie`kovwrI hI 40 jW Swied 41 rylvy stySnW A`g lweI geI sI[ S`k dy AwDwr 'qy ielwky dy kuJ muMifAW PVH ky Qwxy ilAWdw igAw[ mY pqw sI ik hux ienHW dI iC`qr pRyf kIqI jwvygI[ myrw mn ies g`l dy h`k iv`c nhIN sI[ mYN Aqy myrw ie`k hor swQI Qwxy dI C`q 'qy jw ky lMmy pY gey sW[ iC`qr pRyf SurU ho geI[ jdoN cmVy dw ptw iksy dy ic`qVW 'qy v`jdw qW auh zor dI cMiGAwVW mwrdw[ myry nwl au~pr lyitAw hoieAw Awpxw isr au~pr cu`k ky vyKdw[ swfy S.H.O dI nzr Acwnk aus au~qy pY geI[ Qwxydwr ny aus hyTW bulw ilAw Aqy pùiCAw ik hor vI koeI au~qy hY? qW aus ny myrw nW lY id`qw[ mYN vI
hyTW Aw igAw sW[ jdoN sw vI aunHW S`kI AqvwdIAW iC`qr mwrn leI ikhw igAw qW mYN ieh kihMidAW hoieAW sw& ienkwr kr idqw sI,"ienHW mwrnw qW ik`Dry nhIN iliKAw? ienHW 'qy kys bxw ky Adwlq iv`c pyS krnw cwhIdw hY[ jykr ieh doSI hoxgy qW Adwlq ienHW Awpy szw dy dyvygI[" iPr aunHW iksy ny vI iC`qr nhIN sn mwry pr myry 'qy AiqvwdI gqIivDIAW iv`c ih`sw lYx dw ielzwm lw ky mY sMn 1987 iv`c mihkmy 'coN ifsims kr idqw igAw sI[ mYN l`gBg 19 swl ifsims irhw sW Aqy Awi^r suprIm kort iv`coN bhwl ho ky sMn 2006 iv`c muV AwpxI ifaUtI 'qy hwzr hoieAw sW[ suAwl: quhwfI puils ivBwg iv`c guzwrI hoeI izMdgI bwry qW bhuq crcw kr ilAw hY[ ie`k suAwl ijhVw myry izhn iv`c vwr vwr au~Tdw hY ik puils ivBwg iv`c rihMdy hoey quhwfw JukwE AiDAwqimk vwly pwsy ikvyN Juk igAw jdoN ik ieh dovyN hI ie`k dUsry dy ivroDI pihlU hn? juAwb:srdwr jI, jdoN kudrq ny koeI pwsw prqxw huMdw hY qW auh quhwfI sMgq iksy DrmI AwdmI nwl krvw idMdI hY[ myrw myl s. krqwr isMG jI goieMdvwl vwilAW dy syvk sqnwm isMG jI nwl hoieAw[ auh Dwrimk ibrqI dy mwlk sn[ aunHW dI sMgq iv`c Awaux 'qy myry AMdr igAwn pRwpqI dI jigAwsw jwgI sI[ auh g`lW kridAW hoieAW ikhw krdy sn ik AsIN ijnHW vwsqy ieh pwp kmwauNdy iPrdy hW aunHW ny vI sw jmW dI PwhI qoN nhIN bcwauxw[ ies qrHW myry AMdr pRBU pwaux dI qlb jwg peI sI[ mYN suixAw hoieAw sI ik SRI AwSU qoS jI mhwrwj ies g`l dy smr`Q hn Aqy auh pRBU dy pRq`K drSn krvw idMdy hn[qrn qwrn Sihr dy s. bldyv isMG jI ^wlsw aunHW dy syvk hn[mYN aunHW nwl hI igAwn pRwpqI vwsqy aunHW dy drbwr iv`c phuMc igAw sI Aqy au~QoN hI myry mn dI murwd pUrI hoeI hY[ mYN sMn 2003 iv`c aunHW qoN hI igAwn ilAw hY[ suAwl: kI qusIN Awpxy puils jIvn dI koeI XwdgwrI Gtnw sWJI krnw cwhogy? juAwb: mYN quhw dìsAw sI ik jdoN ienswn dI soc iv`c pRIvrqn AwauNdw hY qW aus dw sB kuJ hI pRIvrqq ho jWdw hY[ aus koeI vI Awpxw duSmx nhIN Bwsdw[ auh dw jIA nhIN krdw ik auh byksUr 'qy zulm kry[ aus AMdr iqRpqI dw vwsw ho jWdw hY Aqy pdwrQvwdI iqRSnw im`t jWdI hY[ mYN qW ieh kihx qoN vI Zuryj nhIN krWgw ik aus sBnW iv`c r`b dw nUr jwpx l`gdw hY[ 'nw ko bYrI nwih bygwnw sgl sMg hm ko bn AweI' vrgI dSw ho jWdI hY[ ie`k idn swfy S.H.O swihb ny sw bulw ky ikhw ik ies mhIny foifAW (posq/Bu`kI) dy kys G`t hn[ jwE Aqy AmlIAW PVH ky ilAwvo[ mYN smJdw sI ik ieh qW srwsr byiensw&I hY[ mYN nhIN igAw pr dUsry ispwhI gey Aqy AmlIAW Gyr ky Qwxy lY Awey[aunHW 'qy kys bxw id`qy gey Aqy aus iv`c myrI vI gvwhI r`K leI[ mY dsq^q krn leI ikhw igAw pr mYN dsq^q krn qoN ienkwr kr id`qw[ mY pqw hI nw lìgAw iksy ny myry dsq^q Awpy hI kr id`qy sn[ kort iv`coN sMmn Aw gey[ mYN hYrwn sI pr Adwlq iv`c qW pyS hoxw hI pYxw sI[ jdoN srkwrI vkIl ny mY puìCAw ik jdoN qusIN ies mulzm igRPqwr kIqw sI qW ieh ikhVy pwsy v`loN Aw irhw sI? mYN sw& sw& kih id`qw ik mYN qW ryifMg pwrtI nwl igAw hI nhIN sI,iPr mYN ik`dW d`s skdw hW ik ieh ikhVy pwisE Aw irhw sI?[ myry s`c bolx nwl auh ivcwrw byksUr szw qoN bc igAw sI[ ies ip`CoN mY jo AwnMd imilAw sI aus dw mYN izkr nhIN kr skdw[ mY AMdr dw jo skUn imilAw sI auh myry vwsqy r`bI inhmq sI[ suAwl: kI quhwfy mn iv`c koeI Aijhy suJwE hn jo qusIN puils ivBwg dy idnoN idn ivgV rhy Aks suDwrn vwsqy dyxw cwhogy? juAwb: puils A&sr Awqimk igAwnI hoxw cwhIdw hY[ bwkI bIz zmIn 'coN puMgr ky auqWh v`l v`Ddy hn jdoN ik kurpSn dw bIz au~proN hyTW v`l v`Ddw hY[ jykr au~prly A&sr ies g`l dw inscw kr lYxgy ik AsIN h`k hlwL dI hI KwxI hY qW kurpSn dw ru`K Awpxy Awp su`kxw SurU ho jwvygw[
s. hrBjn isMG nwl hoieAw crcw ^wsw qrk BrpUr sI[ jykr aus dI soc Anuswr ieh ivBwg c`lx dw inscw kr lvy qW ieh koeI AsMBv g`l nhIN ik sqXu`g dw AwrMB ho jwvygw[ r`b kry Aijhw hI hovy[ AwmIn! ***
ie`k dukwndwr : s`c qy pihrw dyx dw cwhvwn
sR. hrdyv isMG gWDI mYN roj hI aus dI dukwn A`goN dI lMGdw huMdw sW pr kdy soicAw vI nhIN sI ik ijMdgI dI ies jIvn Dwrw iv`c kdy auh vI Awx imlygw[ mYN pwiksqwn jwx dw cwhvwn sW[ pihlW qW nOkrI dI bMdS myry pYrW dI byVI bxI rhI iPr ieh muSikl sI ik jwx dw kI zrHIAw lìBAw jwvy[ pwiksqwn iv`c koeI myry jwnx vwlw nhIN sI jo au~Dr jwx qy bWh PVHy[ pws port Byj ky vIzw lgvwauxw vI muSikl jwpdw sI[ s`c qW ieh hY ijs rsqy qoN pihlW lMGy nw hoeIey fr l`gxw suBwivk g`l hY[ iesy auDyV-buxn iv`c sW ik iksy ny mY ikhw ik mYN hrdyv isMG gWDI, kirAwny vwlw nwl rwPqw kwiem ikauN nhIN krdw[ auh pwiksqwn pihlW vI keI vwr jw AwieAw hY Aqy ies ivswKI qy pwiksqwn jwx vwly jQy iv`c aus ny iPr jwxw hY[ ieh g`l sMn 2005 dI hY[ auh dosq mY hrdyv isMG dI dukwn qy lY igAw Aqy myrI jwx pihcwx aus nwl krvweI[ aus dI g`l iv`coN hI tok ky auh boilAw, "ieh srdwr horIN bySk mY nw jwxdy hox pr mYN ienHW jwxdw hW[" ieh AswfI pihlI mulwkwq sI[ drbwr swihb jWidAW hoieAW roj hI mulwkq huMdI rhI Aqy AsIN pwiksqwn jwx dIAW socW ivcwrW krdy rhy[ isAwxy AwKdy hn, rwh ipAw jwxIey jW vwh ipAw jwxIey[ g`l TIk vI hY[ mYN hrdyv isMG nwl pwiksqwn jwx qoN lY ky vwpsI q`k iqMn vwr ivcirAw sW[ aus nyiVE ho ky vyKx dw mOkw imilAw sI[ aus dI bol bwxI, soc Aqy dUsry vwsqy kuJ krn dI BwvnW smJx dw mOkw vI imilAw sI[ hux ieh jwx pihcwx dosqI iv`c vt cu`kI hY[ mYN aus nwl hux q`k iqMn vwr (sMn 2005,2006Aqy 2007 iv`c)pwiksqwn jw AwieAw hW[ ikauNik mY ilKx dw J`s hY,kuJ nw kuJ ilKdw hI rihMdw hW[ h`QlI ikqwb ilKx vwsqy mY jIvn dy v`K v`K ^yqrW iv`coN v`K v`K ikìqAW nwl sMbMDq ivAkqIAW dy ieMtrivaU lYxy sn[ aunHW iv`c ie`k dukwndwr dw vI ieMtrivaU lYxw sI[ myrI nzr s: hrdyv isMG gWDI qy jw ky ruk geI sI Aqy mn ny PYslw kIqw ik ies ienswn dI ieMtrivaU leI jwvy Aqy ies dy AMdry mnu`K qoN dukwndwrW dy ikrdwrW dI g`l pu`CI jwvy[ smW Aqy AsQwn im`Q ilAw igAw Aqy SurU ho igAw suAwlW-jvwbW dw islislw, ijs dI ie`k Jlk pwTkW vwsqy pyS hY[ suAwl: nwm qW mYN quhwfw pihlW hI jwxdw hW iPr vI pwTkW dI jwxkwrI leI kI qusIN Awpxw nW Aqy pRIvwrk vyrvw d`sogy? jvwb: myrw nwm hrdyv isMG gWDI hY[ gWDI myrI goq hY[ myrw jnm 8 sqMbr, 1952 ipMf nOSihrw Fwlw (pihlW ieh ipMf izlHw AMimRqsr iv`c pYNdw sI hux nvIN izlHw vMf hox qy izlHw qrn qwrn iv`c pYNdw hY) iv`c sR: qyjw isMG jI dy Gr mwqw ikrpwl kOr dI ku`KoN hoieAw[ AsIN Cy Brw hW[ cwr Brw myry qoN v`fy hn Aqy krmvwr auh kpVy dI f`gI
lwaux dw kMm,drjI, bI.AYs.AYP dI nOkrI Aqy ie`k POj iv`c nOkrI krdw hY[ ie`k myry qoN Cotw hY ijhVw kirAwny dI dukwn krdw hY[ myrIAW cwr BYxW hn[ ieh hY swfw pRIvwrk qwxwbwxw[ suAwl: kI qusIN AwpxI ivìdAw pRwpqI bwry vI kuJ d`sogy, ik qusIN ik`QoN ik`QoN Aqy ikhVI ikhVI ivìdAw pRwpq kIqI hY? jvwb: A`TvIN jmwq q`k dI pVHweI mYN Awpxy ipMf dy 'bwbw j`lHx Kwlsw hweI skUl,nOiShrw Fwlw qoN kIqI hY jdoN ik dsvIN q`k dI pVHweI mYN qrn qwrn Sihr dy SRI gurUu Arjn dyv Kwlsw hweI skUl qoN kIqI hY[ suAwl: quhwfy d`sx Anuswr quhwfw pRIvwr kwPI v`fw pRIvwr hY[ kI qusIN Awpxy bcpn smyN dy pRIvwr dI AwriQk hwlwq qy cwnxw pwEgy? myrw Bwv hY quhwfI mwiek siQ`qI qoN hY[ jvwb: qIr jI, kihMdy hn ik vkIl Aqy fwktr qoN iF`f nhIN lukwauxw cwhIdw[ A`j qW qusIN vI Adwlq lweI bYTy ho[ ieh iekrwr qW krnw hI pvygw ik jo khWgw s`c khWgw[ s`c dy isvwey kuJ nhIN khWgw[ jdoN pRIvwr iek`Tw huMdw sI, swrIAW brkqW sn[ 'klw klMdr v`sy GiVE pwxI n`sy'[ eyky iv`c brkq huMdI hY[ v`fw t`br sI, cIj qW ih`sy AwauNdI hI imlxI sI[ v`fy do Brw ijhVy bwbw j`lHx dy gurduAwry iv`c qlwb qy syvw kr rhy sn iksy g`loN Awps iv`c JgV pey sn Aqy aunHW dI ieh lVweI Aijhy Zul iKVwey sn ik Gr iv`c vMfIAW pY geIAW sn[ kly ny Awpxw rMg ivKwauxw SurU kr id`qw sI[ h`sdy v`sdy Gr iv`c BMg Bu`jx l`g peI sI[ fWg qy fyry vwlI siQ`qI bx geI sI[ jdoN swrw t`br iek`Tw sI lihrW-bihrW sn[ myry ipqw jI ijnHW lok 'inhMg' kih ky sMboDn kirAw krdy sn, dI rMgweI dy kMm iv`c AwpxI hI swK sI[ lokIN ikhw krdy sn ik jy kr rMgweI krvwauxI hY qW inhMg koloN hI krvwauxI hY[ ielwky iv`c aunHW dw nW sI[ suAwl:mYN smJ skdw hW ik Gr dI pwtk ny Gr dI nuhwr hI bdl id`qI hovygI[ Swied ieh hI kwrn bixAw hovy ik quhw AwpxI pVHweI dw kwrvW dsvIN jmwq qoN A`gy rok dyxw ipAw hovy? kI qusIN iesy kwrn dI mwr krky hI A`gy nhIN pVH sky jW koeI hor kwrn sI? jvwb: (ie`k hOkw ijhw Br ky) qIr jI, J`gw cuìkAW Awpxw hI iF`f nMgw huMdw hY[ qusIN v`fy Brw vrgy ho[ mY pVHn dw qW bhuq SONk sI pr jdoN ipqw jI socW ic`x fuìbAw vyKdw sW qW mn iv`c AwauNdw huMdw sI ik jy kr mYN vI pVHn dI ij`d kIqI qW pYsy dI Gwt aunHW dy mn qy hor s`t mwrygI[ auh du`KI hoxgy[ mYN mn qy p`Qr r`K ky aunHW dI bWh bxn dw mn bxw ilAw sI Aqy pVHweI dy iKAwl mn 'coN sdw leI iqlWjlI dy id`qI sI[ suAwl: kI qusIN srkwrI nOkrI krn dw kdy nhIN sI soicAw jW imlI hI nhIN sI? jvwb: mYN mu`F qoN hI Awpxy Awp isAwsq iv`c Swml krn dw mn bxw ilAw sI[ mYN smJdw sW ik jykr mYN srkwrI nOkrI kr leI qW auh myry isAwsI jIvn iv`c roVw bxygI[ myry ipqw jI ipMf qoN ihjrq kr ky qrn qwrn Aw v`sy sn[ pRIvwr dIAW loVW dI pUrqI leI shweI hox leI mYN ie`k kirAwny dI dukwn qy pRweIvyt nOkrI kr leI sI[ ies dukwn dy ijhVI ik qrn qwrn dy qihsIl bjwr iv`c sI dy mwilk sR: dIp isMG jI kirAwny vwly sn[ aus smyN myrI aumr 15 ku swl dI hovygI[ mY A`j q`k Xwd hY 28 sqMbr,1978 aus smyN dI pRDwn mMqrI SRImqI ieMdrw gWDI jI AMimRqsr ivKy tYlIvIXn kyNdr dw audGwtn krn Awey sn[ mYN vI au~Qy jwx leI ibnW dìsAW dukwn qoN Cu`tI kr leI sI[ Agly idn dukwn mwilk ny ieh kih ky myrI Cu`tI krvw id`qI sI ik kwkw jI jykr lIfrI krnI hY Cu`tI kr jwvo[ do do kMm nhIN pu`jdy[ myrI ijMdgI dI ieh vI ie`k AjIb Gtnw sI[ ie`k idn mYN ie`k Gr dw kirAwny dw sOdw aunHW Gr C`fx igAw sW[ kwPI smyN q`k mYN Gr dw drvwjw KVkwauNdw irhw pr drvwjw KolHx leI koeI AMdroN nw AwieAw[ mYN vwips muVn hI l`gw sW ik ie`k ibrD AOrq ny Aw ky drvwzw KoilHAw[ mYN smwn lY ky aus nwl AMdr clw igAw[ aus ny mY
dìsAw ik aus hYzw ho igAw hY Aqy t`tIAW au~ltIAW Aw rhIAW hn ijs krky drvwzw KolHx iv`c dyr ho geI hY[ smwn r`K ky mYN aus znwnI dy kol hI bYT igAw sW Aqy kuJ smyN leI aus dI dyKBwl krdw irhw sW[ kuJ smyN ip`CoN aus dw Brw ijhVw ik bYNk iv`c Swied mYnyjr sI Aw igAw[ aus AOrq ny bVy mwx nwl Awpxy Brw dìsAw sI ik jykr A`j ieh muMfw vyly isr nw AwauNdw qW quhwfI BYx Swied mr geI huMdI[ ies g`l dw Aihswn moVn leI aus bYNk AiDkwrI ny mY bYNk iv`c nOkrI idvwaux leI pRyirAw vI sI pr mYN nOkrI krn qoN swP ienkwr kr id`qw sI[ myry AMdr ie`ko hI g`l Gr kr geI sI ik mYN isAwsq iv`c hI pYxw hY[ suAwl: hrdyv isMG jI, ieh qW quhwfy jIvn dw sMGrSmeI ih`sw hY[ kI qusIN Awpxy ivAwhuqw jIvn dw rMg vI sWJw krnw psMd krogy? juAwb: myrw ivAwh 7 AkqUbr,1979 hrijMdr kOr spuqrI sR: iSMgwrw isMG jI vwsI ipMf c`bw(izlHw AMimRqsr) nwl hoieAw sI[ qIr jI Swied qusIN jwxdy hovogy, ieh auhI c`bw ipMf hY ij`QoN dI bIbI sul`KxI hoeI hY Aqy ijs ny SRI gurUu hrgoibMd swihb jI dy GoVy dI vwg PVH ky eyky qoN swqw(7) pvwieAw sI Aqy s`q puqrW dw vr ilAw sI[ myrI pqnI 'coN myry do lVky Aqy do lVkIAW hn[ bytIAW Aqy v`fw bytw ivAwh id`qw hY[ suAwl: SwdI ho jwx nwl ijMmyvwrIAW dI pMf vI BwrI ho jWdI hY[ jIvn dI g`fI clwaux leI qusIN kI auprwly kIqy? juAwb: ieh TIk hY gRihsQ jIvn ijMmyvwrIAW dw Aihsws krvw idMdw hY[ ies g`fI iK`cx vwsqy kuJ krnw hI pYNdw hY[ ijvyN ik mYN pihlW vI quhw dìsAw sI ik mY sR: dIp isMG jI dI kirAwny dI dukwn qy kMm krdw huMdw sW pr myry lIfrI dy PqUr ny myrI nOkrI hI Cufvw id`qI sI[ myry pihly mwlkW ny hux ie`k hor nvIN kirAwny dI dukwn KolH leI sI ijs vwsqy aunHW ny mY iPr bulw ilAw sI Aqy ies g`l dI pySkS vI kIqI sI ik auh mY aus iv`c A`D dw BweIvwl vI r`Kxgy[ mYN dukwn qy jwxw qW mMn ilAw sI pr A`D dw nhIN cOQy ih`sy dw BweIvwl bxnw pRvwn kr ilAw sI pr ies Srq qy ik auh myry nwl Awpxw AwdmI jrUr bYTwaux[ rojI rotI dw pRbMD dubwrw ho igAw sI Aqy mYN 26 jnvrI 1976 qoN dubwrw aunHW nwl kMm AwrMB id`qw sI[ 13 swl aunHW nwl kMm krn auprMq swl 1987 iv`c mYN AwpxI dukwn KolH ky bYT igAw sW[ vihgurU dI ikrpw nwl mYN KuShwl jIvn jIA irhw hW[ suAwl: hrdyv isMG jI, quhwfy ipCokV bwry qW r`j ky g`lW kr leIAW hn[ AwE hux AslI g`l qy AweIey[ myrw mqlb hY dukwndwrI dy dwA-pycW bwry[ mMinAw jWdw hY ik gwhk r`b dw rUp huMdw hY[ qusIN ies Dwrnw ikvyN lYNdy ho? juAwb: ies iv`c koeI dUsrI rwey nhIN ik gwhk r`b dw rUp huMdw hY[ ijs qoN swfI dukwndwrI c`ldI hY Aqy pRIvwr dI pwlxw huMdI hY auh r`b nw hoieAw qW kI hoieAw? swfy purwxy bjurg ikhw krdy sn ik dukwndwrI do SbdW dw sumyl hY: dukwn+dwrI= dukwn qoN Bwv qW h`tI hY hI dwrI dy ArQ hn ie`jq[ pUry Sbd dw ArQ hoieAw dukwn qy Awaux vwly dI ie`jq[ jmwny iv`c bhuq pRIvrqn Aw igAw hY[ A`j dw gwhk ieh cwhuMdw hY cIj dw mu`l jo cwhy lw lvo pr aus dI ie`jq hoxI cwhIdI hY[ im`Tw bolx dw koeI mu`l nhIN l`gdw[ ies nwl gwhk vI bixAw rihMdw hY Aqy kmweI vI huMdI rihMdI hY[ suAwl: dukwndwrW qy ieh doS Awm krky l`gdw rihMdw hY ik auh cIjW iv`c imlwvt krdy hn[ hldI iv`c pIlI im`tI dI imlwvt, cOlW iv`c kMkrW dI imlwvt Awid[ kI qusIN vI Aijhw krdy ho? juAwb: qIr jI, mYN dukwndwrW dI SRyxI iv`c hI AwauNdw hW[ iF`f pwV ky qW ivKwieAw nhIN jw skdw ik mYN Drm pu`qr XuiDStr hW[ swry cor hI qW nhIN huMdy[ kuJ lok r`b dw BYA Kwx vwly vI qW huMdy hn[ myry kuJ AsUl hn ijnHW qy mYN c`lx dI koiSS krdw hW[ pihlI g`l qW ieh ik mYN pIsIAW hoeIAW cIjW mswly, hldI Awid KrId ky nhIN vycdw sgoN Awp c`kI qoN ipsvw ky vycdw hW[ mYN socdw hW ik ijhVI cIj mYN gwhk Kwx vwsqy
dy irhw hW kI mYN Awp Awpxy Gr iv`c Kw skdw hW? jykr iehI cIj mYN Awp KwxI hovy qW Kw skWgw[ ieh soJI Aqy r`b dw BYA mY glq kMm krn qoN rokdw hY[mYN pihlW hI kih cu`kw hW ik jy kr qusIN gwhk r`b dw rUp mMndy ho qW aus nwl kyhw DoKw[ AijhI myrI Dwrnw hY[ suAwl: qusW qW AwpxI soc dw Kulwsw kr id`qw hY pr quhwfy dUsry dukwndwr Brw cIjW iv`c imlwvt krn qoN Zuryj ikauN nhIN krdy jdoN ik auh cIj dI kImq pUrI lYNdy hn? juAwb: mYN AMimRqsr-qrn qwrn kirAwnw XUnIAn dw mIq pRDwn hW[ ij`QoN q`k myrI jwxkwrI hY swfy ielwky iv`c bhuq G`t dukwndwr Aijhw iGnwauxw kMm krdy hn[ jdoN kdy vI swfI XUnIAn dI mIitMg huMdI hY AsIN swry dukwndwrW ieh hI kihMdy hW ik auh au~c kotI dw mwl AwpxIAW dukwnW qy vycx qW jo ies ivaupwr dy nW qy D`bw nw l`gy[ suAwl: ieh vI suxn iv`c AwauNdw hY ik kirAwnw dukwndwr ishq ivBwg dy fwktrW mhInw Brdy hn[ kI ieh TIk hY? juAwb: kuJ QwvW qy qW Swied Aijhw vwpr irhw hY pr swfI XUnIAn ies doS qoN mukq hox dw hr hIlw kr rhI hY[ ieh TIk hY irSvq KorI dw kohV burI qrHW smwj dI soc cMbiVAw hoieAw hY[ mYN smJdw hW ik jykr nyk soc vwly iml bYTxgy Aqy ies ivru`D ft jwx dw idRV inscw kr lYxgy qW auh idn dUr nhIN jdoN ies kohV qoN smwj mukq krvw lYxgy[ suAwl: A`j dy mihMgweI dy dOr iv`c jdoN ik KrIddwrI Awm AwdmI dI pkV 'coN inkldI jw rhI hY, kI qusIN Awpxy dukwndwr BrwvW koeI suJwE jW sunyhw dyxw cwhogy? juAwb: mYN in`jI qOr qy Aqy AwpxI kirAwnw XUnIAn v`loN iehI ApIl krWgw ik auh AwpxIAW dukwnW qy au~ckotI dw sOdw vycx[ ies dy nwl hI myrw suJwE vI hY ik srkwr cwhIdw hY ik auh dukndwrW dI iv`krI dy ihswb nwl aunHW dI SRyxI vMf krky aunHW qy syl tYks swl iv`c iekovwr dyx dI h`d im`Qy[ ies qrHW ho jwx nwl srkwr dy tYks cI corI vI nhIN hovygI Aqy srkwrI Kjwny iv`c tYks dI pRwpqI vI vDygI[ mYN ies g`l qoN vI sucyq hW ik ieh tYks AwiKrkwr l`gxw qW jnqw dI ibhqrI vwsqy hI huMdw hY[ suAwl: quhwfw dukwndwr vwlw rUp qW vyK ilAw hY[ kI qusIN iesy Jmyly iv`c hI guAwcy rihMdy ho jW iksy hor sMsQw nwl vI juVy hoey ho? juAwb: jykr qusIN ieh suAwl nw hI krdy qW cMgw sI,ikauNik jy kr mY Awpxy ies ^yqr dw ûlwsw krWgw qW mY fr hY ik ik`Dry qusIN ieh nw smJ bYTo ik ies iv`coN haUmY dI boA AwauNdI hY[ hux qusIN pu`C hI ilAw hY, clo d`s hI idMdw hW[ mYN mu`Fly qOr qy Dwrimk soc dw AwdmI hW[ isAwsI jIvn iv`c mYN AkwlI pwrtI nwl juiVAw hoieAw hW[ myry AMdr guruU Gr dI pRIq hY ijs krky AiDAwqimk soc vI hY[ mYN sRI suKmnI swihb syvw suswietI dw pRDwn Aqy sk`qr rih cu`kw hW hux mYM ies suswietI dw srpRsq hW[ hr AYqvwr ieh suswietI v`K v`K s`jxW dy Gr suKmnI swihb dw pRogrwm krdI hY[ v`K v`K SihrW dIAW AijhIAW hI suswietIAW dI ie`k s`q mYNbrI kmytI bxI hoeI hY,mYN aus dw vI ie`k inmwxw ijhw mYNbr hW[ isAwsI jIvn iv`c mYN qrn qwrn Sihr dw SRomxI AkwlI dl(SihrI bwdl) dw pRDwn vI hW[ smwj syvw dy AwSy nwl psvk kmytI dw cyArmYn vI hW[ myrw iKAwl hY qIr swihb, hux qW d`sx vwlw kuJ vI bwkI nhIN irhw[ myrI jwcy, jo mYN bwhroN hW auh jwx ilAw jy Aqy jo mYN AMdroN hW auh vI hux luikAw hoieAw nhIN irhw[ eynW kih ky hrdyv isMG cu`p kr igAw sI[ mYN kdy aus v`l vyKdw sW Aqy kdy Awpxy v`l[ aus dw qih-dr-qih Ku`ldy jwxw ieMj pRqIq huMdw sI ijvyN s`c dw sUrj lwlo lwl huMdw jw irhw hovy[ mYN pihlW nhIN sW jwxdw ik aus ny Awpxy jIvn sMgrwm iv`c eynI jdo jihd kIqI hY Aqy Awpxy blbUqy qy smwj iv`c AwpxI QW bxweI hY[ myrI jwcy auh qW A`j dy nOjvwnW leI ie`k imswl jwpdw sI ijs ny iemwndwrI dw lV nhIN sI
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SRI bcn rwm Sihr dy myn bzwr iv`c sVk qoN QoVHw ht ky auh AwpxI dukwn lwauNdw hY[ aus dI dukwn koeI ie`tW sImYNt dI bxI hoeI dukwn nhIN sgoN auh qW ie`k borI ivCw ky aus 'qy bYTdw hY Aqy Awpxy swhmxy tu`tIAW hoeIAW ju`qIAW dw Fyr lw ky borI dy ie`k iknwry qy Awpxy sMdW vwlI pytI Dr lYNdw hY ijs iv`c auh pwilS dIAW f`bIAW Aqy burS r`Kdw hY[ AwpxI ivCweI hoeI borI dy ipCly pwsy auh ie`k Cotw ijhw bYNc fwh lYNdw hY ijs au~qy aus dy gwhk bYT jWdy hn[ ieh hY swrw aus dI dukwn dw mwl Asbwb ijs nwl auh swrw idn ruìJAw rihMdw hY[jdoN bcn rwm qpVI ivCw ky bYT jWdw hY qW smJo aus dI dukwn Ku`l geI Aqy Swm jdoN aus ny Awpxy Gr vwps jwxw huMdw hY qW auh swrIAW tu`tIAW hoeIAW ju`qIAW borI iv`c smyt ky aunHW s. gurmu`K isMG dI dukwn iv`c ie`k nu`kry r`K ky clw jWdw hY[ ieh hY bcn rwm dI dukwn ijhVI Awpxy hI AMdwz iv`c Ku`lHdI hY Aqy Awpxy hI qrIky nwl bMd huMdI hY[ nw ijMdrw l`gdw hY Aqy nw hI cwbI guAwcx dw koeI i&kr huMdw hY[ijs qrHW dw bcn rwm izMdwidl hY ausy hI qrHW dI aus dI dukwn hY[ Aksr hI roz myrw ie`DroN Awauxw jwxw lìgAw rihMdw hY[ jdoN vI mYN ie`DroN lMGdw hW myrI ingwh aus 'qy zrUr pY jWdI hY[ aus dw hsUM-hsUM krdw ichrw hr Awaux jwx vwly AwkriSq krdw hY[ mYN aus kdy vI gwhkW nwl lVdw hoieAw nhIN vyiKAw[ aus vyK ky myry mn iv`c vI keI vyrW iÂwl AwieAw sI ik mYN aus nwl aus dy in`jI jIvn bwry g`lW krW Aqy jwxw ik aus dy ûS rihx dw Awi^r rwz kI hY[ ijs dukwn A`gy auh ju`qIAW pwilS krn Aqy tu`tIAW ju`qIAW gMFx dw kMMm krdw hYY auh s. gurmu`K isMG dI hY ijs mYN cMgI qrHW jwxdw vI hW[ ie`k idn mYN s. gurmuK isMG dI dukwn 'qy clw igAw Aqy aus dìsAw ik mYN ie`k ikqwb ilK irhw hW ijs iv`c ie`k ikrqI kwmy bwry vI ilKxw hY[ ies leI mYN ies AwdmI dI ieMtrivaU lYxw cwhuMdw hW[ aus ny J`t aus Awvwz mwr ky AwpxI dukwn 'qy s`d ilAw Aqy myry Awaux dy AwSy bwry aus dìsAw[ ieMtrivaU lYx dI g`l sux ky auh h`s ipAw Aqy boilAw, "kmwl hY! swfI grIbW dI vI A`j koeI ieMtrivaU lYx AwieAw hY[ A`j q`k qW suxdy Awey hW, vìfAW bMidAW dI ieMtrivaU huMdI hY[ ieh qW AzIb hI g`l ho geI hY jdoN iksy grIb kwmy dI vI ieMtrivaU leI jw rhI hY[" auh kuJ icr leI ruk ky Aqy sMzIdw ho ky iPr boilAw,"hW[ d`so srdwr jI, kI pu`Cxw jy? myrI jwcy qW myrI izMdgI iv`c svwey grIbI dy kuJ vI nhIN[ iPr vI pu`Co jo pu`Cxw jy[" eynW kih ky auh cu`p ho igAw sI[ mYN aus nwl aus dI izMdgI bwry ijhVy suAwl kIqy sn Aqy jo jo aus ny juAwb id`qy sn aus dw swrAMS ies qrHW hY: suAwl: bcn rwm jI kI qusI Awpxy bcpn Aqy pRIvwr bwry kuJ d`sogy? juAwb: myrw jnm ipMf dyvw vfwlw izlHw isAwlkot(pwiksqwn) iv`c ipqw idAwlU rwm dy Gr mwqw SwhxI dI ku`KoN hoieAw hY[ mY AwpxI jnm imqI qW Xwd nhIN pr ieh zrUr Xwd hY ik jdoN dyS dI vMf hoeI sI qW mYN bwhrW ku swlW dw sW[ ies ihswb nwl myrw
jnm 1935 dy nyVy-qyVy hoieAw hY[ myrIAW cwr BYxW hn Aqy AsIN iqMn Brw hW[ mYN ienHW sBnW 'qoN v`fw hW[ suAwl: kI qusIN koeI pVHweI vI kIqI hY[ myrw Bwv hY qusIN ivìdAw pRwpqI leI skUl vI gey ho ik nhIN? juAwb: mYN izAwdw qW nhIN piVHAw hoieAw pr pwiksqwn bxn qoN pihlW Awpxy ipMf dy skUl iv`c pVHn jwieAw krdw sI[ mYN CyvIN jmwq iv`c pVHdw sW jdoN dyS dI vMf ho geI sI Aqy mY AwpxI pVHweI ivcwly hI C`f ky pRIvwr smyq ie`Dr Awauxw pY igAw sI[ AsIN dUsry pRIvwrW smyq jMmU iv`c Aw v`sy sI[ srkwr v`loN sw QoVHI ijhI zmIn vI Alwt hoeI ijhVI bwAd iv`c grIbI dI Byt cVH geI sI[ suAwl: qusIN qW jMmU iv`c rihMdy sI[ pMjwb iv`c iks qrHW Aw gey? juAwb: pihlW hI d`s cu`kw hW ik pwiksqwn qoN sB kuJ C`f Cufw ky ieDr Awauxw ipAw sI[ rozI rotI dw swDn koeI hor nhIN sI[ bzurg au~Dr vI ipMf iv`c cmVy dw hI kMm krdy sn Aqy ie`Dr vI iehI kMm krnw AwrMiBAw sI[ 'dyS prwieAw loZ bygwny' vwlI g`l sI[ koeI hmswieAw nhIN sI ijhVw ies musIbq iv`c bWh PVHdw[ pRIvwr pwlx dI smìsAw sI[ soc ivcwr ky mYN pMjwb Awaux dw mn bxw ilAw sI[ Awi^r sMn 1962 iv`c mYN Awpxy pRIvwr smyq qrn qwrn Aw vìsAw sW[ suAwl: quhwfI SwdI kdoN hoeI? sMqwn bwry vI kuJ d`so? juAwb: myrI SwdI sMn 1962 iv`c jdoN pwiksqwn nwl Bwrq dI jMg hoeI sI hoeI sI[ myrI SwdI ivìdAw spùqrI SYlo rwm vwsI jMmU nwl hoeI hY[ myrw ie`k lVkw Aqy do lVkIAW hn[ myry lVky dI aumr ies vyly 35 ku swl dI hY Aqy aus dI vI SwdI ho cu`kI hY[ auh iksy mYfIkl (kYimst) dI dukwn 'qy nOkrI vI krdw hY[ suAwl: kI quhwfw lVkw Gr clwaux vwsqy quhwfw h`Q vI vtwauNdw hY jW Awpxw v`Krw t`br pwldw hY? juAwb: swfw A`j q`k sWJw pRIvwr hY[ mYN ipqw-purÎ kMm krdw hW[ Bwv juqIAW pwilS krnw, tu`tIAW ju`qIAW dI murMmq krnw Aqy hor cmVy dw kMm krdw hW[ ijhVI kmweI mYN krdw hW aus iv`c myrw lVkw vI AwpxI qn^wh pw ky Gr clwaux iv`c myrw h`Q vtwauNdw hY[ suAwl: qusIN idhwVI iv`c ikMnIN ku kmweI kr lYNdy ho? juAwb: ies bwry p`ky qOr 'qy kuJ nhIN ikhw jw skdw[ keI vyrW qW pMjwh qoN s`T rupey vI kmw lYNdw hW pr keI vyrW swrw swrw idn ivhly bYT ky hI Gr muV AweIdw hY[ jy kr bwrS dw mOsm hovy qW keI keI idn Pwkw m`sqI dw bolbwlw ho jWdw hY[ suAwl: ijvyN qusIN dìsAw hY ik izMdgI koeI izAwdw rMgIn nhIN bIq rhI[ ies qrHW keI vyrW mn audws vI ho jWdw hovygw[ AijhI hwlq iv`c kMm dI Qkwvt Aqy ZmgInqw dy mwhOl iv`c nSw kr lYx leI mn nhIN krdw? juAwb: iks dw jIA nhIN krdw ik auh ies jIvn mwxy[ myry AMdr vI qLb hY ik mYN vI bYT ky KwvW[ cMgw hMFwvW cMgw KwvW pr kI krW swDn hI bVy sImq hn[ ies mihMgweI dy zmwny iv`c jdoN ik Awtw dwl hI Asmwn CUh irhw hY bwkI AYSW krnw iks qrHW sMBv ho skdw hY[ Gr gRihsqI dw boJ Foxw hI bhuq muSkl hY[ aumr vI hux 77 swl dy nyVy phuMc geI hY[ srIr iv`c auh pihlW vrgI jwn vI nhIN rhI ies krky nSy dw shwrw lYxw hI pYNdw hY[ myry vrgy Xwr dosq jdoN Swm Aw iek`Ty huMdy hn qW Zm Zlq krn leI rl ky Awpxy Awpxy du`K sWJy kridAW hoieAW pYg lw leIdw hY[ suAwl: izAwdw kr Gr dIAW AOrqW pIx psMd nhIN krdIAW[ jdoN qusIN pI ky Gr vVdy ho qW quhwfI pIxI dw Gr iv`c klyS nhIN pYNdw? juAwb: quhwfI g`l TIk hY ik AOrqW Srwb n&rq krdIAW hn Aqy auh rOlw r`pw vI pwauNdIAW hn pr AsIN vI kI krIey[ i&krW dI pMf dw Bwr kuJ icr leI holw krn
leI jy do Gu`t pI leI qW ik`Dr dI AwKr Aw jWdI hY[ roz roz dI ikcikc hOlI hOlI m`Dm pY hI jWdI hY[ suAwl: kI quhwfw lVkw vI quhwfI pIxI dw burw nhIN mnwauNdw? auh ies g`l ikvyN lYNdw hY? juAwb: auh Swied isAwxw hY Aqy myrI mzbUrI smJdw hY ik myrw ipau kmweI vI krdw hY jykr aus 'coN pI lYNdw hY qW koeI AwKr nhIN AwauNdI[ auh izAwdw krky cu`p hI rihMdw hY[ suAwl: jykr quhwfI lwtrI l`g jwvy jW ikDroN l`K do l`K rupey iml jwx qW qusIN sB qoN pihlW AwpxIAW ikhVIAW rIJW pUrIAW krn bwry socogy? juAwb: myrIAW jIvn dIAW rIJW qW bhuq hn pr swrIAW ^whSW qW kdy vI iksy dIAW pUrIAW nhIN huMdIAW[ iPr vI kuJ AijhIAW loVW huMdIAW hn ijnHW qoN bZYr ieh izMdgI nrk vrgI l`gdI hY[ jIvn dIAW mu`K loVW qW ku`lI,gu`lI Aqy julI hI mMnIAW jWdIAW hn[ ieh pUrIAW ho jwx auprMq hI dUsrIAW KwhSW bwry soicAw jw skdw hY[ mYN Awpxy lVky hmySW kihMdw hW ik Awpxw mkwn cMgI hwlq iv`c nhIN AwpW ies Fwh ky bxw leIey[ pr aus dw kihxw hY ik AwpxI dukwn pwauxI hY Aqy aus iv`coN kmweI krky mkwn bxwauxw hY[ auh krzw cu`kx dy h`k iv`c nhIN[ jykr ikDroN pYsy iml jwx qW mYN sB qoN pihlW aus dukwn bxw ky dyxw cwhuMdw hW[ dUsrIAW g`lW bwAd iv`c socWgw[ suAwl: qusIN ZrIbI dw jIvn bqIq kr rhy ho[ ies leI qusIN iks izmyNvwr smJdy ho,iksmq,r`b jW ienswn ? juAwb: AwpxI Zurbq leI mYN iksy vI doS nhIN idMdw[ myry krm hI Swied mwVy hn[ ipCly jnm iv`c Swied mYN koeI pwp kIqy hoxgy ijs dI szw hux Bugq irhw hW[ mY ie`k vyrW nyvI iv`c BrqI hox dw vI mOkw imilAw sI pr myrI mW ny hI mY BrqI nhIN sI hox id`qw[ jykr mYN nyvI iv`c BrqI ho igAw huMdw qW Swied A`j ju`qIAW nw gMF irhw huMdw[ hoieAw nw ieh myrI mwVI iksmq dw hI Pl? suAwl: mYN AwauNidAW-jWidAW Aksr vyiKAw hY ik quhwfy nyVy sbzI,Pl Aqy hor vsqW dIAW ryVHIAW lwaux vwly quhwfy kol Aw bYTdy hn[ kI kwrn hY? kI ieh swry quhwfy hmipAwlw Xwr dosq hn jW koeI hor kwrn hY? juAwb: ies qoN pihlW ik bcn rwm ies dw au~qr idMdw aus dy kol bYTw ie`k ryVHI vwlw bol ipAw "ieh swfw pRDwn hY jI[ AsIN jykr ies kol Swm bYT ky pYg lwauNdy vI hW qW pihlW ies dI iezwjq pRDwn koloN lYNdy hW[" bcn rwm ny vI h`s ky ikhw sI ik srdwr jI mYN pRDwn vrDwn qW koeI nhIN hW[ ieh swry hI myry vrgy hI grIbI hMFw rhy hn[ myry kol kuJ smW Aw bYTdy hn Aqy Awpxy du`K-su`K sWJy kr lYNdy hn[ hW, ieh g`l vI TIk hY ik ieh swry jwxy Swm rl ky pYsy pw lYNdy hn Aqy dwrU ilAw ky swry idn dw QkyvW vI myry kol bYT ky dUr kr lYNdy hn Aqy Awpxy Zm vI[ suAwl: kI qusIN Awpxy jIvn dI koeI XwdgwrI Gtnw suxwEgy? juAwb: ieh Gtnw suxwauNidAW hoieAW Srm vI AwauNdI Aqy mn iv`c n&rq vI jwgdI hY ik ikvyN Awpxy hI ip`T iv`c CurI mwr idMdy hn[ myry kol aus smyN pMJI hzwr rupey nkd sn[ ie`k idn myrw kuVm (myry lVky dw shurw) swfy Gr AwieAw[ kuVmwcwrI sI, mYN aus dI Ûb syvw kIqI[ mIt bxwieAw Aqy aus vwsqy pIx leI Srwb vI ilAWdI[ pqw nhIN aus dy mn iv`c pihlW hI mYl sI[ aus ny myry nwl bYT ky Srwb pIqI[ g`l kI aus ny mY izAwdw Srwb iplw ky AwaUt kr id`qw[ aus ny AYvyN hI bhwnw bxw ilAw ik mYN aus gwlH k`FI hY[ mY aus ny bhuq mwirAw Aqy mwr mwr ky lhU luhwn kr id`qw[ iesy rOly-r`py iv`c hI auh au~T ky clw igAw Aqy jmHW kIqy hoey pMJI hzwr rupey vI lY igAw[ aus qoN bwAd mYN aus kdy vI mUMh nhIN lwieAw Aqy nw hI Gr vVn id`qw hY[ ieh Gtnw auNJ vI jdoN mY Xwd AwauNdI hY qW idl 'qy s`t v`jdI hY ik irSqw Aijhw
hovy Aqy ie`k AwdmI Aijhw kMm kry? s`c qW ieh hY ik A`j dy zmwny iv`c koeI Awpxw hY hI nhIN, sB Kwx dy Xwr hn[ bcn rwm nwl swrI g`lbwq krky vI mYN smJdw sW ik mYN bcn rwm pUrI qrHW AMdroN Prol nhIN sW sikAw[ ijhVIAW g`lW aus ny bol id`qy sn aunHW qoN ielwvw vI hor bhuuq kuJ aus dy AMdr bwkI hY ijs aus dI sbr dI kMD ny bwhr nhIN Awaux id`qw[ aus dy sbr dw kVH ies krky vI Swied nw tuìtAw hovy ik izMdgI iv`c aus dy hMFwey hoey drdW ny aus sB kuJ sih lYx dw AwdI bxw id`qw hovy[ kihMdy hn ik A`KIAW rwhIN hI iksy dy AMdr JwikAw jw skdw hY[ A`KIAW JroKy hn iksy ienswn dy AMdr Jwkx leI[ mYN aus dIAW A`KIAW iv`c JwikAw qW mY AnuBv hoieAw sI ik aunHW iv`c AnykW ADUrIAW ^whSW,ZmW dy pRCwvyN Aqy drdW dIAW cIsW qr rhIAW sn[ jykr mYN aus hor izAwdw ttoldw qW ho skdw sI ieh drd A`QrU bx vih hI qurdy[ grIbI AwpxI iksmq kih ky aus ny smwj dy mUMh 'qy cpyV mwrI l`gdI sI[ ienswn dI kwxIN vMf 'qy aus dw ieh aulwhmw l`gdw sI[ swfy nyqw,AwgU Aqy pRcwrk hr roz sWJIvwlqw dy ijhVy v`fy v`fy dwAvy krdy hn, bcn rwm vyK ky sB ôKly jwp rhy sn[ auh grIbI iv`c vI muskrw irhw sI[ aus Awpxy Awp nwl koeI iZlw nhIN sI jwpdw[ ieh sB kuJ vyK ky mY iksy kvI dIAW ieh sqrW Xwd Aw geIAW sn: "sWJIvwlqw l`K prcwro nhIN sWJ idlW dI hoxI[ ie`k ^wlI boJy h`sdy iPrdy,ie`k rìjAW sUrq roxI[" ***
ie`k tr`k frwievr:
ibKVy pYNifAW dw pWDI
sR. mMgl isMG 'iF`loN' ADuink Xu`g ivigAwn dw Xu`g hY[ ivigAwn ny mnu`KI jIvn KuShwl bxwaux dy nwl nwl suKwlw vI bxw id`qw hY[ kdy smW huMdw sI jdoN AsIN Awpxw mwl-Asbwb Awpxy isr qy FoieAw krdy sW[ loV kwF dI mW hY[ phIey dI kwF ny gìfAW,swieklW,motrW swieklW,tr`kW,hvweI zhwjW,ryl g`fIAW,kwrW Awid AnykW hI swDnW jnm id`qw hY[ ie`k QW qoN dUusry QW mwl dI FoAw-FuAweI dy swDnW iv`c tr`kW Aqy mwl g`fIAW (rylW)dw Aihm rol hY[ A`j AsIN ie`k tr`k mwlk/frwievr nwl g`lbwq kr ky ies DMdy dIAW pcIdgIAW dw srvyKx krky aus dy AMdrly zjbwqW smJx dI koiSS krWgy[ pyS hY ie`k tr`k frwievr dy mn dIAW pIVW Aqy vlvly, ie`k ieMtrivaU dy rUp iv`c: pRSn:s. mMgl isMG jI kI qusI Awpxy bcpn dIAW kuJ XwdW swfy nwl sWJIAW krnIAW cwhogy? au~qr: myrw jnm 21 meI,1946 sR.gurcrn isMG jI dy gRih ivKy mwqw gurdIp kOr dI ku`KoN j`blpur (m`D pRdyS) iv`c hoieAw[ jblpur myry ipqw jI Awpxy BxveIey sR. sMqw isMG jI kol kMm is`Kdy huMdy sn[ swfy puriÂW dw ipMf izlHw AMimRqsr iv`c c`k imSrI ^W hY[ myry dwdw sR. JMfw isMG jI Awpxy ies j`dI ipMfoN, pwiksqwn iv`c c`k nMbr 20 izlHw lwielpur(hux &Yslwbwd) cly gey sn ij`Qy auh ie`tW vwly BìTAW dw Tykw lY ky kMm krvwieAw krdy sn[ iesy krky auh 'Tykydwr' dy nW nwl mShUr sn[ myry jnm qoN iqMn ku mhIny bwAd hI myry ipqw jI vI c`k nMbr 20 iv`c myry dwdw jI kol cly gey sn[ ihMdusqwn-pwiksqwn dI vMf auprMq AsIN kuJ smyN leI Awpxy j`dI ipMf c`k imSrI ^W Aw v`sy sW[ aus vyly myrI aumr muSkl nwl fyF ku swl dI hovygI[ mY dyS dI vMf bwry koeI izAwdw Xwd vI nhIN[ AsIN cwr Brw hW Aqy swfI ie`k BYx vI sI ijs dw ip`Cy ijhy idhWq ho igAw hY[ mYN ienHW swirAW qoN v`fw hW[ AsIN pirvwr smyq dubwrw jblpur cly gey sW pr myry dwdw-dwdI jI ipMf iv`c hI rihxw psMd krdy sn[ auh swfy nwl jblpur nhIN sn gey[ pRSn: kI qusIN kuJ pVHy-ilKy vI ho? jy hW qW AwpxI ivìdAk Xogqw bwry vI kuJ d`so? au~qr: mYN AwpxI pRwiemrI q`k dI ivìdAw sYNt nwrvt skUl,jblpur qoN pRwpq kIqI hY[ igAwrvIN q`k mYN "nvIn ividAw Bvn,jblpur iv`c piVHAw hW[ igAwrW jmwqW pws krn ip`CoN mYN pVHnw C`f id`qw sI[ pRSn: kI quhwfI pVHx iv`c rucI hI nhIN sI jW koeI hor kwrn sI ijs kr ky qusIN pVHxw C`f id`qw sI? au~qr: igAwrvIN jmwq pws krn ip`CoN mYN ie`k swl kwlj vI igAw sW pr kuJ GrylU kwrnW krky mY pVHweI iqAwgxw ipAw sI[ ienHW kwrnW iv`c GrylU AwriQk qMgI vI khI jw skdI hY[ ipqw jI iek`ly hI kmwaux vwly sn Aqy hux mYN v`fw vI ho igAw sW
Aqy aunHW dw h`Q vtwauxw cwhuMdw sW[ ies soc ny vI myrI A`goN pVHweI 'qy AMkuS lw id`qw sI[ pRSn: skUl jwxw bMd krn auprMq qusIN kI krnw AwrMiBAw? au~qr: myry mn iv`c rIJ sI ik mYN koeI dsqkwrI dw kMm krW[ kuJ Aijhw krW ijs iv`c hunr hovy ijs nwl mYN ijMdgI Br kmw ky Kw skW Aqy Bu`Kw nw mrW[ AijhI ivìdAw dw kI lwB ijhVI rujgwr nw dy sky[ mYN vyiKAw sI AYm.ey pVHy hoey lok vI dr dr nOkrIAW leI D`ky Kw rhy sn[ aunHW kol h`QW dw hunr nw hox krky auh dr-by-dr Btk rhy sn[ iesy qrk ny hI myrI soc h`QIN kMm krn v`l moiVAw sI[ myry irSqydwr pMjwb iv`c rihMdy sn[ mYN sMn 1965 iv`c aunHW kol AMimRqsr Aw igAw sI Aqy ^rwd Aqy jnrl rIpyAr dw kMm is`Kxw SurU kr id`qw sI[ mYN pihlI vwr Awpxy pirvwr Aqy Gr qoN dUr hoieAw sW[ ie`Qy Aw ky hI ies g`l dw Aihsws hoieAw sI ik Gr Gr hI huMdw hY[ mW qW bYTI nhIN sI ijhVI copVIAW idMdI[ ijho ijhI imldI Kw lYNdw sW[ g`l kI pirvwr qoN dUrI Aqy k`cI aumr ny myrw hONslw qoV id`qw sI[ mYN iPr vwips jblpur clw igAw sW[ pRSn: iPr qusW AwpxI jIvn g`fI ikDr qoirAw? myrw Bwv hY iPr qusW ikhVw rwh AîqAwr kIqw? au~qr: Gr iv`c aus smyN myry ipqw jI kol pihlW hI ie`k tr`k huMdw sI, ijs auh Awp clwauNdy sn[ m`D pRdys iv`c aus smyN p`qI Aqy jMglW 'coN l`kVI dI FoAw-FuAweI dw kMm izAwdw tr`k frwievr hI krdy sn[ A`j vI trWsport dy kMm iv`c au~Qy pMjwbIAW dw hI bolbwlw hY[ Gr iv`c tr`k hox krky mYN kdy kdy aus 'qy h`Q is`Dy krdw rihMdw sW Aqy hOlI hOlI mYN tr`k clwauxw is`K igAw sW[ myry ipqw jI ny Awpxy nwl ie`k frwievr vI rìKAw huMdw sI[ jdoN mYN tr`k clwauxw is`K ilAw qW mYN ipqw jI slwh id`qI ik AwpW dUsry frwievr dI qnKwh ikauN Brdy hW[ mYN aunHW nwl Awp tr`k 'qy jwxw SurU kr id`qw sI[ ies qrHW mYN frwievrI lwien iv`c Aw igAw[ mYN sMn 1966 qoN frwievrI kr irhw hW[ pRSn: hux jdoN ik qusIN kmwaU pu`qr ho gey sI[ mwipAW ny quhwfI SwdI dw i&kr kr ky quhwfI SwdI krn dw soicAw hovygw[ qusIN d`so quhwfI SwdI kdoN hoeI Aqy quhwfy b`cy ikMny hn? au~qr: ieh TIk hY hr mW-bwp pu`qr ivAwhux dw cwA huMdw hY[ sMn 1974 iv`c myrI SwdI blivMdr kOr spùqrI sR. gurbcn isMG jI vwsI nwgpur(mhWrwStr) nwl hoeI hY[ myrI Gr vwlI dy ipqw jI iemwrq auswrI iv`c TykydwrI dw kMm krdy sn[ myrI sMqwn iv`c ie`k bytw Aqy do bytIAW hn[ dovyN bytIAW Aqy byty dI SwdI ho cu`kI hY[ pRSn: quhwfy mu`Fly jIvn bwry qW kwPI crcw ho cu`kI hY[ hux mYN quhwfI frwievrI lwien sbMDI kuJ jwxnw cwhuMdw hW[ ies g`l dw Awm crcw hY ik frwievr lok nSw krdy hn[ mYN jwnxw cwhuMdw hW ik auh nSW ikauN krdy hn? kI quhw vI nSy dI l`q hY? au~qr: qusIN khwvq suxI hovygI "ie`k gMdI m`ClI swry qlwb gMdw kr idMdI hY[" iehI hwl ies lwien dy lokW dw hY[ieh kihxw ik swry hI frwievr nSw krdy hn pUrI qrHW TIk nhIN hY[ kuJ lok hI hn ijhVy nSy dy AwdI huMdy hn Aqy aunHW lokW krky hI ieh DMdw bdnwm hY[ g`l auqnI izAwdw ivgVI nhIN ijMnI prcwrI jw rhI hY[ ijhVy lok nSw krdy hn auh hI d`sdy hn ik auh vI kyvl J`s hI pUrw krdy hn[ qusIN ies q`Q qoN qW BlI BWq jwxU hovogy ik ikrswn jdoN vwFI krn leI lybr ilAwauNdy hn qW aunHW cwh nwl jW iksy hor bhwny APIm KuAwauNdy hn[ ies ip`Cy vI aunHW dw Awpxw suAwrQ luikAw huMdw hY[ ikrswn jwxdw huMdw hY ik mzdUr nSy dI lor iv`c QkyvW mihsUs nhIN krngy Aqy aus dI vwFI dw kMm CyqI in`bV jwvygw[ tr`kW dy kuJ frwievr nvyN klInrW mu`F mu`F iv`c Awpxy koloN A&Im jW hor nSw KuAwauNdy hn[ jdoN auh AwdI ho jWdw hY qW tr`k frwievr/mwlk ies g`l qoN insicMq ho jWdw hY ik hux
C`f ky nhIN jwvygw[ "koeI nhIN iksy dw bylI dunIAW mqlb dI[" hr koeI dwA 'qy rihMdw hY[ pRSn: frwievr Awpxy Gr qoN keI keI idn dUr rihMdy hn[ ie`k QW qoN mwl l`d ky dUsry QW Aqy jykr au~QoN hor iksy pwsy dw mwl iml igAW qW au~Dr inkl qurdy hn[ g`l kI keI vyrW qW auh mhIinAW ip`CoN Gr prqdy hn[ suxn iv`c AwauNdw hY ik auh AwpxI kwm-iqRpqI dI pUrqI leI rsqy iv`c imlx vwlIAW Awvwrw AOrqW nwl sMBog krky keI qrHW dIAw bImwrIAW shyV lYNdy hn[ ies bwry quhwfw kI ivcwr hY? kI Aijhw vwprdw hY? au~qr: g`l iPr au~Qy hI Aw jWdI hY[ frwievrI lwien iv`c hI nhIN sgoN dUsry ^yqrW iv`c vI sB TIk nhIN hY[ AsIN ijs ielwky iv`coN Awm krky lMGdy hW,au~Dr muslmwnW dI AwbwdI izAwdw hY[ ies iPrky iv`c ie`k AwdmI cwr SwdIAW krnIAW zwiej mMnIAW jWdIAW hn[ ie`k ienswn vwsqy ieMnIAW AOrqW dI kwm-iqRpqI krnI muSkl huMdI hY[ AijhIAW kwimk qOr 'qy AiqRpq AOrqW Awp iSkwr dI Bwl iv`c inkl pYNdIAW hn[ frwievr qW ipMf iv`c iksy dy Gr qW jWdy nhIN[ AijhIAW bdkwr AOrqW sVk qy bxy FwibAW jW curwihAW qy c`kr lwauNdIAW rihMdIAW hn[ qwVI ie`k h`Q nwl qW nhIN v`jdI[ ijs rwh qoN frwievrW dw Awauxw-jwxw huMdw hY aus AOrqW vI Aqy frwievr vI jwxdy huMdy hn[ kwm dw joS AMnHw huMdw hY[ rMg-brMgIAW bdkwr AOrqW Aqy mrd ie`k dUsry koloN bImwrIAW dw Adwn-pRdwn kr lYNdy hn[ kOx vyKdw hY,kOx iks bImwrI nwl grìsAw hoieAw hY[ "mMdy kMmI nwnkw jd kd mMdw hoie[" eyfz vrgIAW mwrU bImwrIAW lY ky Aijhw ienswn m`Qy 'qy h`Q mwrdw aus vyly roNdw hY jdoN aus ny Aijhw kukrm kIqw huMdw hY[ cMgw Awcrx hI suKI jIvn dw AwDwr hY[ vwihgurU dw l`K l`K Sukr hY mYN ies kohV qoN bicAw hoieAw hW[ bMdy dw Awpy qy kwbU hI cMgy jIvn dI grMtI hY[ pRSn: vyKx iv`c AwieAw hY ik keI frwievr sùqy hI keI keI mIl g`fI clwauNdy jWdy hn[ ieh g`l AYksIfYNt dw kwrn vI bxdI hY[ ies ip`Cy kI kwrn hY? auh ibnHW Awrwm kIqy hI g`fI clwaux leI ikauN mzbUr huMdy hn jW koeI hor kwrn huMdw hY? au~qr: ieh g`l vI swirAW frwievrW 'qy lwgU nhIN huMdI[ ie`k AwdmI qoN dUsry AwdmI iv`c &rk huMdw hY[ AijhI siQqI do hwlqW iv`c huMdI hY[ ie`k qW grmIAW iv`c dupihr vyly Aqy dUsrI nSw krn vwly ivAkqIAW nwl[ grmIAW iv`c mOsm iv`c grmI nwl susqI pYxI SurU ho jWdI hY Aqy A`KW Awpxy Awp mItIAW jwxIAW SurU ho jWdIAW hn[ keI frwievrW dIAW A`KW iv`c jdoN nINd AwauxI SurU huMdI hY qW aus dw pYr AYksIlytr qy iF`lw hox l`gdw hY Aqy g`fI Jtky mwrn l`g pYNdI hY ijs nwl frwievr sucyq ho jWdw hY[ aus Aihsws hox l`gdw hY ik auh nINd dI pkV iv`c jw irhw hY[ auh mUMh h`Q Do ky somn ho jWdw hY jW g`fI rok ky Awrwm krn dI socdw hY[ pr keI frwievrW dI hwlq AijhI huMdI hY jdoN aunHW nINd AwauNdI hY qW aunHW dw pYr AYksIlytr qy dbw pwaux l`gdw hY ijs nwl g`fI dI rys (r&qwr) v`D jWdI hY Aqy AYksIfYNt dw ^qrw bx jWdw hY[ ijhVw frwievr nSw pI ky g`fI clw irhw huMdw hY, jdoN q`k aus dw nSw kwiem rihMdw hY auh sucyq rihMdw hY[ pr jdoN aus dw nSw au~qrdw hY aus dy srIr iv`c iF`lwpn Awauxw SurU ho jWdw hY ijs nwl aus nINd AwauxI SurU ho jWdI hY[ pihlI g`l qW ieh ik mYN iksy vI iksm dw nSw hI nhIN vrqdw[ dUsrw jdoN mY nINd dI JpkI AwauNdI hY qW mYN smJ jWdw hW ik nINd zor pw rhI hY[ g`fI sVk dy iknwry lw ky sON jWdw hW, BwvyN iGau dw GVw ikauN nw ruVH irhw hovy[ keI vyrW frwievr Aijhw mwl l`d ky c`ldy hn ijs CyqI itkwxy qy phuMcwauxw huMdw hY Aqy smyN isr mwl pu`jdw krn qy aunHW ienwm imlx dI vI Aws huMdI hY[ AijhI hwlq PlW dI FoAw-FuAweI smyN huMdI hY[ isAwxy frwievr Awpxy nwl shwiek frwievr lY ky cldy hn Aqy vwrI vwrI rsqy iv`c
sON vI lYNdy hn[ s`cI g`l qW ieh hY, frwievr dI izMdgI r`b dy h`Q hI huMdI hY[ auh r`b Awsry hI c`l irhw huMdw hY[ pRSn: ies iv`c kI rwz hY ik frwievrW dy sIlYkitf Fwby huMdy hn ij`QoN auh rsqy iv`c g`fI KVHI krky rotI-pwxI Ckdy hn? frwievr Fwby dI cox krn smyN iks g`l iDAwn iv`c r`Kdy hn? au~qr: AsIN iksy Fwby dI cox aus dy Kwxy krky nhIN krdy sgoN ies iv`c ieh g`l vyKI jWdI hY ik ijhVy Fwby 'qy AwpxI trWsport dIAW g`fIAW Aw ky rukdIAW hn au~Qy hI aus trWsport dy nwl dIAW g`fIAW rukdIAW hn[ ies nwl huMdw ieh hY ik ie`k dUsry koloN rsqy dw,Gr dw jW rsqy iv`c rukIAW hoeIAW g`fIAW bwry jwxkwrI imldI rihMdI hY[ jykr koeI g`fI vwlw Awpxy kwgz p`qr jW koeI hor cIz Fwby 'qy Bu`l jWdw hY qW dUsrI g`fI dy h`QIN aus q`k pu`jdI kIqI jw skdI hY[ rsqy iv`c keI vyrW koeI lVweI JgVw ho jwx dI sUrq iv`c ieh Fwby vwly shweI vI huMdy hn[ auh jwxdy huMdy hn ik ieh swfw p`kw gwhk hY[ aus sUrq iv`c auh aus dy p`K iv`c KVHy huMdy hn[ keI vyrW g`fI ^rwb ho jwx dI sUrq iv`c jdoN jyb iv`c pYsy vI nhIN huMdy qW iehnW Fwby vwilAW pwsoN auDwr pYsy lY ky kMm vI swirAw jw skdw hY[ inrHy Fwby vwly hI nhIN pYtrOl pMpW vwly vI ij`QoN AsIN Aksr pYtrol pvwauNdy hW pYsy kol nw hox dI hwlq iv`c auDwr vI kr lYNdy hn[ ie`ko QW 'qy Awaux jW Tihrn nwl fwrievr dw ieqbwr bx jWdw hY ijhVw rsqy dIAW AOkVW iv`c shweI huMdw hY[ pRSn: qusIN tr`k frwievrI vI kIqI hY Aqy hux Awpxy tr`kW dy mwlk vI ho[ kI ieh TIk hY ik tr`k frwievr Awpxy mwlk nwl hyrwPyrI vI kr lYNdy hn? au~qr: swry frwievr ies qrHW nhIN krdy pr izAwdw Aijhw krdy hn[ tr`k 'coN mwl auqwr ky jdoN g`fI KwlI vwps Aw rhI huMdI hY qW frwievr rsqy iv`coN svwrIAW ibTw ky aunHW koloN ikrwieAw lY lYNdy hn[ jW rsqy iv`co PoVkU mwl iml jwx qy aus dw ikrwieAw lY lYNdy hn[ ies qrHW kmwieAw hoieAw pYsw auh mwlk nhIN idMdy[ ieh aunHW dI AwpxI kmweI huMdI hY[ keI frwievr qW pYtrol iv`c vI hyrwPyrI kr lYNdy hn[ auh pYtrol pMp qoN G`t qyl pvw ky izAwdw dw ibl bxvw lYNdy hn[ mwlk aunHW dIAW iehnW hrkqW bwry jwxdw hoieAw vI keI vyrW ies g`l A`KoN proKy kr C`fdw hY[ ieh g`l auhI hY "cor corIEN jwvy pr hyrw PyrIEN nw jwey[" sB TIk nhIN hY[ sB c`ldw hY[ frwievr itkweI r`Kx leI vI mwilk A`KW mItxIAW hI pYNdIAW hn[ pRSn: ieh vyKx iv`c AwauNdw hY ik rsqy iv`c tr`k frwievrW trYiPk puils vwly vI kwPI pRySwn krdy hn[ aunHW koloN pYsy btorn leI ayuh aunHW clwx dw frwvw dy ky pYsy dI mMg krdy hn[ qusIN ies bwry kI kihxw cwhogy? au~qr: trWsport lwien iv`c frwievrW ies g`l dw Awm swhmxw krnw pYNdw hY[ tOl-tYks Adw krnw,Evr lof mwl leI puils irSvq dyxw,g`fI dy kwgzW dIAW qrutIAW dw hoxw puils dI au~prlI kmweI dw swDn bxdw hY[ dUsry sUibAW dI puils vI rsqy iv`c QW QW rok ky AYNtrI PIs dy nwm 'qy irSvq lYNdI hY pr pMjwb dI puils kuJ izAwdw hI qMg krdI hY[ izAwdw krky trWsport dw kMm pMjwbI hI kr rhy hn[ keI vyrW pMjwb dy frwievr pMjwb dw mwl iesy krky nhIN l`ddy[ aunHW pMjwb dw mwl û SI nwl l`dxw cwhIdw hY ikauNik auh pMjwb iv`c Awpxy swk-sbMDIAW vI imlx Aw skdy hn[ pr pMjwb puils dw vqIrw kuJ izAwdw hI s^q hox krky auh ie`Dr Awaux qoN guryz krdy hn[ies g`l dw ieh vI ArQ nw lY ilAw jwvy ik ieh bImwrI kyvl sUbw pMjwb iv`c hI hY sgoN ies musIbq dw swhmxw sw lgBg hr pRWq iv`c hI krnw pYNdw hY[ ies g`l qoN qW qusIN BlIBWq jwxU hI hovogy ik ies lwien iv`c izAwdw krky frwievr AnpVH hI huMdy hn Aqy aunHW kwgzW pyS krn iv`c Aqy BwSw dy smJx iv`c muSkl pyS AwauNdI hY[ keI vyrW dUsrIAW styts dI BwSw vI aunHW dI smJ iv`c nhIN AwauNdI[ ies Gwt dI mwr vI auh sihMdy hn,ijs iv`c aunHW dw koeI ksUr vI nhIN
huMdw[ Aijhw nhIN hoxw cwhIdw[ aunHW nwl hmdrdI BirAw slUk hoxw cwhIdw hY qW jo auh smyN dI bcq Aqy ^jl KuAwrI qoN bc skx[ pRSn: frwievrI pySy iv`c l`g Bg qusIN jIvn hI guzwr id`qw hY[ quhwfI soc Anuswr jW quhwfI ingwh iv`c smu`cy qOr 'qy ieh pySw ikho ijhw hY? au~qr: kMm koeI vI mwVw nhIN huMdw[ jIvn inrbwh krn leI koeI qW kMm krnw hI huMdw hY[ hr kMm iv`c hI muSklW vI AwauNdIAW Aqy aus dy cMgy mMdy pihlU vI huMdy hn[ ieh inrBr krdw hY ienswn dI AwpxI soc 'qy ik auh ikhVy pwsy jwxw cwhuMdw hY[ jbrdsqI koeI iksy bury kMm qy nhIN lw skdw,ijMnW icr auh AwdmI Awp dUsry Aijhw krn dw mOkw nhIN idMdw[ quhwfw Awpxw mnobl hI quhwfI kwmXwbI dI kuMjI hY[ ieh TIk hY iek mwVw nhIN huMdw sgoN ieh quhwfy Awpxy 'qy mun`sr krdw hY ik qusIN iks qrHW dw jIvn bqIq krnw hY[ pRSn: kI qusIN ies lwien dy lokW koeI suJwE jW sunyhw dyxw psMd krogy? au~qr: ies lwien iv`c kMm krn vwly lok r`b dI imhr dy Awsry cldy hn[ sB qoN pihlW cwhuMdw hW ik auh pRBU dw Et Awsrw lY ky Awpxy kMm qy inklx[ ieMJ kih lvo "vwihgurU bol 'qy iKVkI KolH"[ Awpxw jIvn Awcwr nyk r`Ko, koeI ^qrw nhIN hY[ ijs vI mwilk dI qusIN g`fI clw rhy ho aus dy v&wdwr ho ky rho[ ies nwl quhw soBw vI imlygI Aqy ruzgwr vI,AijhI myrI Dwrnw hY[ mMgl isMG nwl g`lW krn auprMq mYN AnuBv kr irhw sW ik jo s`c aus ny ies bdnwm pySy bwry sWJw kIqw hY auh jIvn dI rOA bdl dyx dy smr`Q hY[ aus dI ieh soc ik kMm hI pUjw hY,aunHW lokW bl pRdwn krdI jwpdI sI ijhVyy glq h`QW iv`c pY ky jIvn nSt kr rhy hn[ ies iv`c koeI dUjI rwey nhIN ik koeI kMm vI mwVw nhIN huMdw sgoN hr kMm iv`coN mMizl pweI jw skdI hY[ r`b kry ieh Dwrnw hr ie`k dy mn iv`c v`s jwvy ik cMgw Awcrx hI r`b dI pUjw hY[ AwmIn! ***
ie`k pihlvwn:
AKwiVAW dI Swn Aqy ielwky dw mwx
pihlvwn hzwrw isMG 'mor' hr Kyf dw Awpxw hunr huMdw hY,AwpxI klw huMdI hY[ pihlvwnI jgq vI ie`k inrwlw hI jgq hY ijs iv`c srIr dI qwkq dy nwl nwl ies dy dwA-pyc jwnxy vI bhuq hI zrUrI huMdy hn[ "gurU ibMnW g`q nhIN,Swh ibMnW p`q nhIN" dI khwvq iblkul TIk hY[ Sbd 'pihlvwn' qoN ies g`l dw Jwaulw pYNdw hY ik ieh ierwnI siBAqw dw pRqIk hY ikauNik auQy 'pihlvI' ie`k jwq dw nwm hY[ Swied ierwnI siBAqw dy nwl hI ieh Kyf Bwrq iv`c AweI hovy[ pr ies g`l inkwirAw nhIN jw skdw ik bhuq smW pihlW mhW Bwrq dy smyN vI Bwrq iv`c "BImsYn" vrgy XoDy hoey hn Aqy hor vI 'XoD mhwbl sury' hoey drswey gey hn[ ies g`l qoN ienkwr nhIN ik ies Kyf qy ierwnI Cwp hY pr ieh vI glq nhIN ik purwqn kwl iv`c XuDW jW do sUrimAW dw 'Awhmo swhmxy' ju`tx dw vrnx vI imldw hY[ sRI gurU Arjn dyv jI ny vI qW AYvyN nhIN iliKAw: hauN gosweI dw phlvwnVw] KfUr swihb ivKy 'gurduAwrw m`l AKwVw swihb' iesy g`l v`l ieSwrw krdw hY ik gurU AMgd dyv jI dy smyN vI pihlvwnW(m`lW) dI kuSqI krn vwsqy ie`Qy AKwVw c`ldw huMdw sI[ nwmvr pihlvwn bxn leI pihlvwn bVI s^q srIrk imhnq krnI pYNdI hY Aqy Awpxw Awcrx vI au~c pwey dw r`Kxw pYNdw hY[ dUsry SbdW iv`c ieh &kIrI kmwaux vrgw tyFw Aqy ibKVw pYNfw huMdw hY ijs qih krn vwsqy sbr, sMqoK, sihxSIlqw,sMjm Aqy lMgoty dw jqI ho ky Awpxw jIvn guzwrnw huMdw hY[ nwQW Aqy jogIAW dy smyN qW AOrq qoN dUrI r`Kx vwsqy AOrq 'bwGnu' Bwv bìGAwVI q`k kih id`qw igAw sI[ aunHW dy kQn Anuswr: "bwGnu qn CIjY bwGnu mn CIjY]ien bwGnu qRYlokI KweI] mwauN khy myrw pUq ivAwieAw] gIlI lkVI ko Gux lwieAw] ies klw iv`c muhwrq hwsl krn vwsqy iksy ausqwd dI Srn iv`c jwxw pYNdw hY Aqy aus dy d`sy hoey dwA-pycW gRihx krky aus dw AiBAws krnw huMdw hY[ bySk pihlvwnI ^yqr dw ipqwmw hox dw mwx ausqwd nUr-au~dIn pihlvwnkuqib-zmW id`qw jWdw hY pr ies g`l vI JuTlwieAw nhIN jw skdw ik ies Kyf dw jnm mnu`KI jnm dy nwl hI ho igAw sI[ mnuK jdoN Ajy A`j vrgw sBX nhIN sI AKvwaux l`gw Aqy jMglW iv`c rihMdw huMdw sI qW audoN vI ies Awpxy duSmxW jW jMglI jwnvrW nwl jUJxW pYNdw sI[ bySk auh inXm b`D kuSqI nhIN sI huMdI pr auh hY iehI Kyf sI ijhVI smyN dy nwl nwl bdldI A`j dI 'kuSqI' jW 'Gol' bxI hY[ v`K v`K dysW iv`c ies dy Awpxy Awpxy inXm hn[ ies g`l dw inrxw krnw qW muSkl hY pr ies Dwrnw lY ky quirAw jWdw hY ik ieslwmI dySW iv`c kuSqI dw izAwdw zor irhw hY[ ieh Kyf sMswr dy hor BwgW iv`c vI pRcìlq sI[ mrwko qoN mMgolIAw qIk v`DdI ieh Kyf hOlI hOlI pUrb v`l AwauNdI geI[ieh vI ikhw jWdw hY ik mMgolIAw Aqy qurksqwn iv`c ies Kyf dw ieh hwl sI ik dovyN iKfwrI audoN q`k ie`k dUsry nwl iBVdy
rihMdy sn jdoN q`k dohW 'coN ie`k dI mOq nhIN sI ho jWdI(Fight unto death) kuSqIAW dI iesy kVI dw hI ih`sw sI rusqm Aqy suhrwb ipau pu`qr dI kuSqI ijhVI ipau( Rustam) dy h`QoN pu`qr (Sohrab) dI mOq nwl mu`kI sI[ A`j vI jdoN iksy aus dI qwkq dw Aihsws krvwauxw hovy qW AwK idMdy hn,"Aw igAw eI v`fw rusqm[" iesy qrHW dI kuSqI dw izkr mhwBwrq iv`c vI AwauNdw hY jdoN mhWblI BIm dI kuSqI jYDrQ nwl hoeI sI,ijhVI iqMn idn lgwqwr c`ldI rhI sI Aqy aus dw inbyVw jYDrQ dI mOq nwl hI hoieAw sI[ smW Awpxy nwl nwl ies iv`c qbdIlIAW krdw igAw[ ies dy inXm GVy gey Aqy ies dy FMg vI bdly gey[ ies Kyf dIAW keI iksmW vI bx geIAW[ cIn vwilAw ny ies Kyf jUfo (Judo) dw rMg dy id`qw[ ievyN hI: (a)XUnwnI-romn kuSqI (A) PRI stwiel kuSqI (e) Collar & Elbo Style ieh AmrIkn nvW FMg hY[(s) kwrnvwl Aqy fYvn stwiel: ies iv`c dovyN moFy Aqy ie`k kUlHw jW dovyN kUlHy Aqy ie`k moFw l`g jwvy qW aus F`Tw igxdy hn[ A`j AsIN kuSqI Kyf dy ie`k nwmvr pihlvwn nwl imlx jw rhy hW ijs dI ies Kyf leI kIqI qpìsAw dw hvwlw ie`k ieMtrivaU rUp iv`c pyS hY: suAwl: pihlvwn jI! kI qusIN Awpxy mu`Fly jIvn bwry sw kuJ d`sogy? juAwb: mYN is`Dw swdw AnpVH ijhw j`t hW[ mY Awpxy jnm dI qwrIk qW Xwd nhIN pr eynw ku pqw hY ik hux myrI aumr 91 swlW dI ho geI hY[ ies ihswb nwl myrw jnm sMn 1920 iv`c ipMf iB`tyv`F,qihsIl Ajnwlw, izlHw AMimRqsr iv`c sR. qwrw isMG jI dy Gr hoieAw hY[ myrI mwqw dw nW hrnwm kOr hY[ myry ipqw jI KyqIbwVI dw kMm krdy sn[ AsIN cwr Brw hW Aqy swfI ie`ko ie`k BYx hY[ swfI BYx swfy swirAW qoN v`fI sI Aqy BrwvW iv`coN mYN qIsry QW qy hW[ myry qoN do v`fy Brw sn[ swfy ipMf qoN Cy ku iklo mItr dI dUrI qy ie`k hor ipMf hY vfwlw iB`tyv`F[ keIAW ienHW ipMfW dy nW qoN BulyKw vI pY jWdw hY[ vfwlw iB`tyv`F bwaulI ieMdrjIq vI ikhw jWdw hY Aqy auh rwm qIrQ dy nyVy pYNdw hY jdoN ik swfw ipMf rwm qIrQ qoN Cy-s`q iklo mItr dI dUrI qy vwikAw hY[ suAwl: kI qusIN ivìdAw pRwpqI vwsqy skUl vI gey ho jW nhIN? juAwb: pVHweI p`KoN mYN KuSiksmq nhIN hW[ mYN pVHn vwsqy skUl nhIN igAw jW ies qrHW kih lvo mYN korw AnpVH hW[ ies dw vI kwrn hY ijs bwry mYN quhw bwAd iv`c d`sWgw[ suAwl: hux mYN jwnxw cwhuMdw hW ik quhwfI SwdI kdoN hoeI? zrw ivsQwr nwl d`so? juAwb: sMn 1943 iv`c jdoN myrI aumr 23 ku swl dI sI myrI SwdI hoeI[ myrI pqnI dw nW mihMdr kOr hY Aqy ayus dy mwpy kot ^wlsw, AMimRqsr dy rihx vwly sn[ myrIAW pMj lVkIAW Aqy do lVky hn[ suAwl: pihlvwnI dw SONk quhw ikvyN ipAw? kI quhwfy pirvwr iv`c quhwfy qoN pihlW vI koeI pihlvwnI krdw sI? juAwb: nhIN[ myry qoN pihlW swfy pirvwr iv`c koeI pihlvwnI nhIN sI krdw[ myrw bwp ie`k pihlvwn dw BweIbMd bx igAw sI[ aus pihlvwn dI ijsmwnI id`K Aqy srIr bhuq ÛbsUrq sI[ aus dy guMdy hoey Aqy suhxy-sun`Ky srIr v`l vyK ky hI myry ipqw jI dy mn iv`c iÂwl AwieAw sI ik auh vI Awpxy ie`k lVky pihlvwn bxwauxgy[ AsIN cwr Brw sW[ myry ipqw jI ny swfy chuM 'coN myry qy A`K r`K leI sI ik ies pihlvwn bxWgw[ iPr myry ipqw jI ny mY pihlvwnI vwly pwsy pw id`qw[ aus smyN myrI aumr bwrW swl dI sI jdoN mYN AKwVy iv`c AwieAw sW[ suAwl: hr koeI hunr is`Kx vwsqy iksy nw iksy ausqwd Dwrnw pYNdw hY[ pihlvwnI dy gur Aqy pYNqVy is`Kx vwsqy qusW iks Awpxw ausqwd DwirAw sI[ myrw mqlb hY ies klw iv`c quhwfw ausqwd kOx sI? juAwb: mY AMimRqsr Sihr iv`c pihlvwn hmIdy kol KiVAw igAw sI pr aus idn auh ik`Dry bwhr kuSqI lVn vwsqy igAw hoieAw sI[ aus nwl myl nw ho sikAw[ iPr mY cwtIivMf drvwzy ie`k AKwVy iv`c lY ky gey[ ieh AKwVw Aihmd b^S Bu`kI vwlw
clwauNdw sI[ aus smyN AMimRqsr iv`c bhuq AKwVy sn ij`Qy v`K v`K ^lIPy pihlvwn Awpxy pìTAW kuSqI isKwauNdy huMdy sn[ rhImy cODrI dw AKwVw,bwbw Pqih isMG dw AKwVw,k`lU pihlvwn dw AKwVw, Zulwm pihlvwn dw AKwVw, muhMmd rmzwn dw AKwVw,hYdr pihlvwn dw AKwVw,AwlIAw pihlvwn dw AKwVw,ibjlI pihlvwn dw AKwVw,mnsUr husYn dy AKwVy qoN ielwvw cwtIivMf drvwzy Aihmd b^S Bu`kI vwly dw AKwVw vI huMdw sI[ mYN swrw smW Awpxw ausqwd Aihmd b^S Bu`kI vwly hI mMinAw hY[ hor iksy dUsry dw dr nhIN KVkwieAw Aqy nw hI iksy hor Awpxw ausqwd DwirAw sI[ suAwl: quhw mor pihlvwn ikauN ikhw jWdw hY? juAwb: (QoVHw ijhw h`s ky) jdoN vI mYN Awpxy ivroDI pihlvwn nwl kuSqI lVn vwsqy AKwVy iv`c AwauNdw huMdw sW qW aus nwl h`Q imlw ky ip`Cy ht n`cidAW t`pidAW Fol dI qwl qy aus dy Awly-duAwly iqMn c`kr k`Fdw huMdw sW[ jW ieMj kih lvo ik ijvyN ie`k mor, mornI dy duAwly pwielW pwauNdw hY mYN vI mor vWg pwiel pwauNdw hoieAw aus duAwly GuMmdw huMdw sW[ myry ies pihlvwnI AMdwz vyK ky lok mY mor kihx l`g pey sn[ hOlI hOlI 'mor' Sbd myry nW nwl hI juV igAw sI[ jdoN vI lok myrI kuSqI vyKx leI AwauNdy huMdy sn qW sihj suBwA hI kih idMdy sn ik AOh mor Aw igAw jy[ suAwl: ie`k pihlvwn dI izdgI ie`k swDU vrgI izMdgI mMnI jWdI hY[ aus gRihsq jIvn bVw hI sMBl ky jIaUxw huMdw hY[ quhwfw ies bwry kI ivcwr hY? juAwb: ieh iblkul s`c hY ik ie`k pihlvwn swDU vrgI hI izMdgI jIaUxI pYNdI hY[ aus lMgoty dw jqI rihxw pYNdw hY[ mYN ie`k mhwqmw jI dy sMg iv`c rihMdw huMdw sW[ auh hmySW hI isìKAwidAw krdy sn ik AOrq jwq qoN ijMnw pRhyz ho sky auqnw hI cMgw hY[ ^ws krky pihlvwn qW ie`k jqI-sqI vrgy ho ky rihxw cwhIdw hY[ auh,aunHW pihlvwnW ijhVy SwdISudw sn, ikhw krdy sn ik pMdrW idnW iv`c ie`k vyrW hI AwpxI pqnI dw sMg kro[ hPqy iv`c ie`k vwr qoN v`D qW kdy vI sMBog nw kro[ ienswn dw vIrX hI aus dI SkqI hY[ iesy krky swDU Aqy pihlvwn AOrq qoN dUrI bxw ky r`Kdy hn[ A`g kol jwvogy qW iGau qW ipGlygw hI[ pihlvwnI iv`c vI iesy krky lMgoty dw jqI hoxw sB qoN zrUrI mMinAw jWdw hY[ suAwl: kI qusIN Awpxy lVikAW vI pihlvwnI dy ^yqr iv`c pwieAw hY jW nhIN? ies bwry vI cwnxw pwE[ juAwb: myry do hI lVky hn[ v`fw gurnwm isMG Aqy Cotw sqnwm isMG[ vwihgurU dI ikRpw nwl dovyN hI Gu`ldy hn[ gurnwm isMG qW do vyrW pMjwb p`Dr q`k kuSqI lV AwieAw hY[ mY ieh d`sidAW hoieAW KuSI mihsUs huMdI hY ik pihlvwnI dw ijhVw ru`K myry ipqw jI ny myry rUp iv`c lwieAw sI auh hux v`D Pu`l irhw hY[ myry poqry nvrUp isMG,zobnjIq isMG,AmolkdIp isMG Aqy hrmndIp isMG vI pihlvwnI krdy hn[ bìcAW pihlvwnI dI shI qwlIm dyx vwsqy mYN "pRIqm rYsilMg kl`b" vI KolH r`KI hY ijs iv`c pihlvwnI dI nvIN pnIrI Xog qknIk rwhIN kuSqI dI isìKAw id`qI jWdI hY[ pdwrQ isMG kohwlI Aqy lwlI kohwlI(dovyN hI dohqry) qoN ielwvw jgrUp isMG,b`gw,ib`lw qrn qwrnI,bgIcw sur isMG vwlw ies kl`b dy nYSnl p`Dr dy pihlvwn hn[ mY ies g`l dw &Kr hY ik ies AKwVy qoN 60-65 pihlvwn,pihlvwnI dy gur is`K ky pihlvwn bx cu`ky hn[ hux bySk myrI 91 swl dI aumr ho cu`kI hY iPr vI mYN ies kl`b rwhIN bìcAW pihlvwnI jgq v`l moV ky Awpxy mn dI rih geI ADUrI lwlsw pUrw kr irhw hW[ suAwl: jdoN qusIN Br juAwnI iv`c sI Aqy aus smyN dy nwmvr pihlvwnW nwl quhwfI kuSqI vI hoeI hovygI[ kI d`sogy ik auh ikhVy ikhVy pihlvwn sn ijnHW nwl quhwfI kuSqI hoeI sI[ juAwb: myry smyN dy nwmvr pihlvwn sohxI pihlvwn,gu`qw pihlvwn,sUlw KfUr vwlw,ûdw b^S kMg k`lHw,m`lw kMg k`lHw,m`Kx bwgVIAW vwlw,swDU gulwlI purIAw,KOjw jsqrvwl
vwlw,ie`bw kuhwly vwlw,v`sx syroN vwlw,Golw BwgovwlIAw,rohI rwm mwlvw,bKSISw jIaUx vwlw(myhrdIn dw gurU) Aqy do Brw rhImw Aqy krImw bukry vwilAW nwl mYN kuSqIAW lVIAW sn[[ ieh dovyN Brw isAwl kot dy mrwsI sn[ ienHW kuSqIAW iv`c mYN ijìqAw vI sW Aqy kuJ kuSqIAW brwbr vI rhIAW sn[ mYN Arjn isMG FotIAW vwly nwl vI GuilAw sW Aqy swfI kuSqI brwbrI qy Cufw id`qI geI sI[ suAwl: jdoN do pihlvwn Guldy hn qW Aksr ie`k Fwh lYNdw hY Aqy dUsry hwr dw mUMh vyKxw pYNdw hY[ aus smyN ie`k pihlvwn dI mno-dSw ikho ijhI huMdI hY? ies bwry d`so[ juAwb: ieh qW bixAw hI AwieAw hY[ jdoN do pihlvwn Guldy hn qW aunHW 'coN ie`k ij`q Aqy dUsry dI JolI hwr pYNdI hY[ jdoN kdy myry nwl Aijhw vwpirAw hY Aqy mYN kdy Fih igAw sW qW mn qy s`t qW v`jdI hI sI[ aus hwr dw Asr QoVHw icr qW rihMdw hI sI[ iPr mn qkVw krky hor iqAwrI krdw sW Aqy ijs koloN Fwh KwDI huMdI sI aus Fwh ky KuSI iml jWdI sI[ ijhVw pihlvwn hwr nwl FyrI Fwh idMdw hY mYN smJdw hW auh shI ArQW iv`c pihlvwn hI nhIN huMdw[ hwr 'coN hI ij`q inkldI hY[ hwr ij`q dy Asr lMmy smyN q`k nhIN kbUlxw cwhIdw[ suAwl: A`j k`lH dy nOjvwnW iv`c ieh pRivrqI vyKx imldI hY ik jdoN aunHW dw srIr kuJ iqAwr huMdw hY qW auh AwpxI kmIz dIAW bwhvW tMg ky fOly ivKwauxy SurU kr idMdy hn[ quhwfI rwey iv`c Aijhw krnw koeI cMgI g`l hY? juAwb: jvwnI qW kihMdy ny Byf dy lyly qy vI cwr idn Aw jWdI hY[ jdoN koeI imhnqkS ienswn ijhVw Awpxy srIr bxwaux vwsqy ksrq krky Awpxw srIr bxwaux iv`c juìtAw huMdw hY bVw sMBl ky c`lx dI zrUrq huMdI hY[ ieh auh smW huMdw hY jdoN Awpxy srIr ivcoN Awpxy Awp hI mihk ijhI Awaux l`gdI hY[ Awpxy srIr vwr vwr vyKx jIA krdw hY[ p`tW qy pYNdIAW m`ClIAW cMgIAW cMgIAW l`gdIAW hn Aqy dUsirAW ienHW ivKwaux leI idl vI krdw hY[ ie`Qy ie`k g`l d`sdw jwvW ik ieh hI vylw huMdw hY srIr m`KIAW qoN bcwaux dw[ ieh hI smW huMdw hY lMgoty dw jqI rihx dw[ ijhVw ies vyly sWB igAw smJo bc igAw[ myrw m`KIAW qoN Bwv qW qusIN smJ hI gey hovogy[ Aijhy vyly izAwdw muMfy ivSy-ivkwrW dy c`kr iv`c Ps ky Awpxy srIr dw siqAw nws kr lYNdy hn[ sWiBAw hoieAw srIr hI AKwVy iv`c kMm AwaNudw hY[ suAwl: pihlvwn jI! quhwfI qMdrusq ishq dw kI rwz hY? kI qusIN AwpxI pihlI Kurwk Aqy hux dI Kurwk ijhVI qusIN lYdy ho aus bwry vI d`sogy? juAwb: Kurwk KwxI Aqy pcwauxI do v`K v`K pihlU hn[ A`j k`lH AsIN Kurwk qW pUrI Kw lYNdy hW pr aus pcwaux vwsqy pUrI ksrq nhIN krdy[ huMdw kI hY, AsIN bImwrIAW dw iSkwr ho jWdy hW[ Awh ijhVI SUgr dI bImwrI Awm lokW iv`c ho geI hY ies dw vI mu`K kwrn ksrq nw krnw Aqy AwsMquilq Kurwk hI hY[ mYN jdoN Guldw huMdw sW qw myrI Kurwk iv`c du`D,AD-irVikAw,iGau Aqy mIt Swml huMdw sI[ g`l kI mY ksrq dy nwl nwl Kwx vwsq Ku`lHI Kurwk vI imldI sI[ mYN ie`k vwr iv`c hI iqMn hzwr fMf Aqy do hzwr bYTkW kìFAw krdw sW[ hyTW muVHkw vg vg ky muVHky dw C`pV l`g jWdw sI[ A`j k`lH qW srIr muVHkw Awaux hI nhIN idMdy[ GrW iv`c ey.sI. l`g gey hn, kwrW iv`c ey.sI.[ muVHkw srIr 'coN nw inklxw vI bImwrIAW dw kwrn hY[Gr iv`c vwhI-joqI dw kMm sI[ mwl-fMgr vI huMdw sI[ audoN ieh ibjlI nwl c`lx vwly toky nhIN sn huMdy[ mSInI toky gyV ky mYN qW cwlI fMgrW vwsqy p`Ty kuqrdw irhw hW[ A`j vWg audoN kuSqI gìdAW qy nhIN sI lVI jWdI[ im`tI iv`c huMdI sI[ ijs AKwVy iv`c ksrq kIqI jwxI huMdI sI, aus pihlW khI nwl gof ky im`tI poilAW kIqw jWdw sI[ khI nwl AKwVy gofxw vI ie`k qrHW dI ksrq hI huMdI sI[ myrI ishq dw rwz ieh purwxI ksrq qW hY hI, ie`k hor bhuq v`fI g`l hY myrw byi&kr rihxw[ mYN iksy g`l dI icMqw nhIN krdw[ A`j vI r`j ky rotI KWdw hW Aqy r`j ky nINd lYNdw hW[ rwq rotI nwl pY~g vI mwr lYNdw hW[ izAwdw lokIN AOlwd h`QoN vI duKI huMdy hn, auh vI vwihgurU dI imhr hY sB pwisauN suKI
hW, koeI i&kr-Pwkw nhIN[ Swied iehI kwrn hY ik 91 swl dI aumr iv`c vI cMgI ishq hY,myrI ingwh vI TIk hY Aqy Ajy q`k AYnk vI nhIN l`gI[ dMd vI kwiem hn[ suAwl: quhwfy d`sx Anuswr qusIN pMjwh swl dy lMmy smyN q`k pihlvwnI ^yqr iv`c ivcry ho[ qusIN rMg-byrMgy qjrby hwsl kIqy hoxgy[ ies ^yqr iv`c Awaux vwlI nvIN pnIrI qusIN kI sunyhw dyxw cwhogy? juAwb: pihlvwnI krnI ie`k qpìsAw hY[ ieh ie`k qrHW dI BgqI hY[ ieh &kIrI hY[ ies dI mMizl q`k phuMcx vwsqy sMjm iv`c rih ky s^q srIrk imhnq krnI pYNdI hY qW jw ky pihlvwnI dI mMizl imldI hY[ iksy ny TIk hI ikhw hY: "&kIrw &kIrI dUr hY, ijqnI ku lMbI ^zUr hY[ cVH jweyN qW cUpyN pRym rs if`g peyN qW cknw cUr hY[" pihlvwnI krnI vI hwrI swrI dy v`s dw rog nhIN huMdw[ ies iv`c mn mwr ky AwpxI mMizl v`l v`Dxw huMdw hY[ srIr bxwauxw Aqy srIr sMBwlxw ieko ijMny zrUrI hn[ keI muMfy ksrq kr ky srIr qW bxw lYNdy hn pr aus dI sMBwl nhIN krdy[ auh CyqI hI fol jWdy hn[ mYN qW aunHW khWgw ik auh au~c Awcrx vwlw jIvn jIaUx[ gurbwxI dy ies AwSy qy c`lx[ Awpxy qoN v`fI mW, brwbr dI BYx Aqy Awpxy qoN CotI DI brwbr smJx[ (vyK prweIAW cMgIAW mwvW BYxW DIAW jwx]) Awpxy ausqwd dw pUrw pUrw siqkwr kro[ jdoN qusIN ies kwbl ho jWdy ho ik iksy ieh gur isKw sko qW aunHW Awpxy bìcAW vWg ipAwr nwl pihlvwnI dy gur d`so[ mYN qW ies SyAr nwl hI Awpxw sunyhw dyvWgw: "jykr SONk qY pihlvwnIAW dw jwn mwr ky jwn bxw lY qUM[ A`KW p`t ky jykr vyKxw ey AYnk Zzb dI A`KW qy lw lY qUM[ pYrIN pY ausqwdW ^lIiPAW dy, dwA v`D qoN v`D auTw lY qUM[ g`jIN iv`c mYdwn dy Pyr jwkyy, soBw iv`c zhwn dy pw lY qUM[ ieMnW kih ky pihlvwn hzwrw isMG qW cu`p kr igAw sI pr mY jwp irhw sI ik auh Awpxy AqIq iv`c guAwcw hoieAw hY[ aus Awpxy idn Xwd Aw rhy jwpdy sn jdoN auh AKwiVAW iv`c Awpxy zOhr ivKw irhw huMdw sI[ aus dw AMdrlw mnu`K Swied A`j dI nOjvwn pIhVI qy K&w mihsUs ho irhw sI ijhVI AwpxI srIrk SkqI dy dirAw gMdIAW nwlIAW iv`c roVH rhI hY[ auh cwhuMdw sI ik jykr pihlvwn bxnw hY qW ik`kr isMG, gMfw isMG jOhl jW bwbw Pqih isMG vrgy bxo ijnHW dIAW khwxIAW A`j vI lok sux ky &Kr AnuBv krdy hn[ myry kihx qy pihlvwn horW AwpxIAW purwxIAW qsvIrW mMgvw ky sw ivKweIAW sn ijnHW vyK ky mihsUs huMdw sI ik vwikAW hI kdy ies pihlvwn ny mor vWgUM pwielW pweIAW hoxgIAW[ mYN idl iv`c pRmwqmw A`gy Ardws vI kr irhw sW ik aus lMmI aumr dyvy qW jo auh aunHW bìcAW dw mwrZ drSn krdw rhy ijhVy pihlvwnI ^yqr iv`c Awpxy puriÂW dw Aqy Awpxy ielwky dw nW rOSn krn dIAW rIJW mnW iv`c pwl rhy hn[ AwmIn! ***

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