You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi! You and the stranger both like god.

You: hi Stranger: Hello! :) Stranger: How are you? You: I'm good Stranger: Good to hear. You: are you religious? Stranger: I am indeed, I'm a Christian. How about you, just like discussing it? You: I do not believe in god Stranger: So you're not religious then, no.. You: no? Stranger: So.. You like discussing it though? :) You: yes You: of course Stranger: Well no, if you don't believe in God, nor follow a religion.. then no. You: How old are you? Stranger: Haha just checking, some people just put 'God' in their interests to m ock me. You: you specifically :) ? Stranger: Most people disconnect after I tell them my age.. Stranger: I'm seventeen, yourself? You: what is your age? You: Im 24 You: were you born into a religious family? Stranger: Not me specifically no, I meant all religious people in general. You k now atheists who think they're all clever, and think it is fun to mock people wh o actually have a faith. Stranger: Apparently believing in a God makes me unintelligent. You: well i don't know about intelligence. Stranger: No I wasn't. My mum was only believing after I started, and my dad is an atheist.

You: Thats a tricky thing Stranger: How about you? Stranger: Totally agree. Stranger: Haha You: but in some cases an atheists would have good reasons to believe a religiou s person is uninformed. Stranger: How so? You: well... Stranger: Either way, they still don't have a right to mock them. You: When a religious person says or states something that goes against physical evidence. Stranger: like, I don't go around stating that Sunday Christians are pathetic. You: everyone has a right to mock someone else You: It isnt nice though. Stranger: Well no, so why do it? Stranger: Why do they have a right to do so? You: Cause this is the internets... Stranger: They'd moan if I started 'shoving my religion down their throats' You: and you can say whatever u like without fear of retribution Stranger: Oh yeah I'm sorry that was in the rule book. You: So, how did you become religious? Stranger: Well, the church I go to is a house church. You: Meaning? Stranger: With people living in community houses. Stranger: ^ Stranger: So, Christians all live together in houses across the UK You: like..communes.. Stranger: My Church is pretty big haha. Stranger: Anyway... You: do u live with many people in the same apartment? Stranger: A friend of mine went there so I just tagged along one day to a 'frien dship meal'

You: Why do they have those? Stranger: -No I don't, I still live at home with my parents. But after universit y etc. I hope to move in there. Stranger: Well in 'biblical times' the disciples all lived together. You: I mean You: Why do they have those friendship meals Stranger: Oh Stranger: Well, to just have a meal together really. Like a social event sort of thing? Stranger: We'll have like, a ten minute worship time or whatever then meal, foll owed by fellowship. You: Sellowship? Stranger: So people from outside of the community come to the houses. Stranger: You see? You: Whats fellowship? Stranger: It means like, a time when people of similar interests get together fo r a period of time. Stranger: Like, ours is religion. You: I see You: So, after that friendship meal you started believing that god exists? Stranger: Not just one friendship meal no haha Stranger: it wasn't like i went once and was completely changed. Stranger: I went for a few months really. Stranger: Befriended more Christians, started going to Church, learning more of the religion. You: ah You: ok Stranger: Then I actually experienced Gods love. You: so Stranger: That's what made me change a lot. Start wanting to live for Him, and t rying to be committe. Stranger: * committed You: hmm

You: what do you mean, experienced gods love? Stranger: In worship I could just feel God there with me. Like His love was over whelming You: ah, I understand. Stranger: I just felt peaceful all of the sudden. You:Tell me Stranger: And, a lot of my prayers have been answered. You: what if you were living in say You: Egypt.. Stranger: Like almost straight away Stranger: Yeah? You: and you were invited to a Muslim friendship meal Stranger: If it was illegal in my country to be a Christian, I'd still be a Chri stian.. :) You: cause your friend was Muslim You: Do you think you would have experienced gods love there? Stranger: I'd go along, but I wouldn't be open to coverting my religion. You: no no Stranger: I respect them though. You: before you were religious. Stranger: I have muslim friends. Stranger: I don't know, perhaps that could have happened yes. Stranger: No actually Stranger: in fact I'm not sure if it would no Stranger: Because Muslims aren't that accepting of people. Stranger: When I came to Church I had a lot of problems. Stranger: And my Church really helped me with them, and accepted me straight awa y. Even when I sinned quite bad there, e.g wrong relationships etc. Stranger: I don't think the 'muslim community' would have accepted me then. I th ink they may have turned their backs. You: hmm You: why? I mean, imagine if you were living in Egypt and started going to a mos

que.Do you think they would have turned against you if you did something wrong? You: and do u think youd experience gods love there? Stranger: Yeah totally Stranger: Right Stranger: I had a relationship with a Christian married man Stranger: Say if I'd have had that relationship with a married Muslim man... You: I see. You: so your church is very liberal? Stranger: Would the people of that Mosque still want me going there? Stranger: No totally not! Stranger: What do you mean by that, exactly? You: well, infidelity Stranger: I don't want you taking what I say out of context. People are very goo d at doing that! You: and having a relationship with a married man is prohibited in Christianity. . Stranger: Hahahha, no not at all! Stranger: No one knew this relationship was going on. No one. Stranger: Yeah it is wrong, but everyone sins everyday. Stranger: Even Christians. You: but Stranger: Christianity does NOT mean perfect. Stranger: But? You: how did they have the choice of accepting you or not if they did not know h ow youve sinned? Stranger: ..What do you mean? You: Yhey did not know you sinned like that Stranger: They accept people because Jesus loves everyone. You: but.. Stranger: Well, I used to get drunk every weekend Stranger: Smoked. You: You did not reveal your sin to them

You: and than allow them to say Stranger: Not they found out. You: ok ],we accept you despite the sin Stranger: No no, they found out about our relationship in the end. You: ah, ok You:I see. You: so Stranger: So that married man had to confess to the church and his wife and kids etc. Stranger: As did I. You: despite u breaking one of the 10 commandments they still accepted you? Stranger: Then the Church helped us both through out very difficult time. Stranger: YES! do you know why? You: i think so.. Stranger: Jesus would have done the exact same thing. You: so why have ten commandments than? Stranger: Jesus hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors. Stranger: I need Gods grace and mercy because I sin. Stranger: Because I am a human, I will fail time and time again. You: so no matter what you do youre still ok cause youre only human? Stranger: That's why Jesus had to be crucified. We needed his blood so our sins can be forgiven. You: what about murder? Stranger: 'His blood is enough' Stranger: What about it? You: well, you say that you've sinned because you are human You: and thats why you were still accepted Stranger: I'm ok if I'm truely sorry for my sin, and will then repent my sin. You: cause humans sin You: so Stranger: We sin because we have free will.

You: if i killed 20 people Stranger: So... You: and repented You: im ok? Stranger: No because if you had killed 20 people, you probably would have planne d it.. Stranger: You wouldn't be sorry for it. You: if i accepted what i did was wrong and wsas sorry for it Im good? Stranger: There for why would you repent? You: like i said You: if i did kill 20 people Stranger: With God, yes. You: and repented and realised it was wrong Stranger: You'd still be accepted into the Kingdom of Heavem. You: would i be fine? Stranger: You'd most probably still go to jail though, I'm afraid... You: is that wrong? You: me going to jail if i repented Stranger: It is wrong, yes.. Stranger: Non noo Stranger: sorry I didn't wait for what you were saying haha. Stranger: Yes, because although God will forgive you, He'll still punish you. Stranger: Like with me, God definitely punished me for what I did. Stranger: But I could feel him forgiving me. Stranger: Also the church did 'discipline' us for what we did. Stranger: E/g moving Households You: I see. Stranger: We still have to suffer the consequences for our actions. Stranger: Having a life with God does not mean you get an easy way out of doing bad things. You: i understand.

You: so tell me more about your experience with gods love. You: what did you feel? You: You became peaceful? Stranger: Yeah, I became really peaceful all of the sudden. You: what else? Stranger: I could just feel Him inside of me there. You: feel him? You: how does one feel god? Stranger: When I was praying, my legs were all shakey, and I had like heat sensa tions all through me You: what else? Stranger: Just burst into tears You: so those sensations are a sign that god is inside you? Stranger: Some of yes You: why must they be a sign of god? You: all those sensations people feel without god You: why that combination You: means it is god? Stranger: what do you mean, people feel them without God? You: people get shaky sometimes..they burst into tears they feel peaceful.. You: why must those physical sensation mean something about god? Stranger: All together though? Stranger: You just know it's God, it's so hard to explain to someone who's not e xperienced it before. You: how do u know its god? You: well together or not..why does it matter You: shakiness, sensation of peacefulness, tearing up You: those are all physical sensations You: and all have explanations You: those are bodily reactions You: caused by the brain

You: like if we see a sad movie You: nothing really touched us or hurt us You: but our brain felt sensation You: and caused us to tear up You: its just a picture You: we know its not real You: we know it You: but nonetheless You: we tear up You: even though nothing has actually happened You: there is no real reason to feel sorry You: or sad You: but we ourselves You: make ourselves feel it Stranger: but all of the sudden having those things happen to you at once, while worshipping God... Stranger: Nothing causing you to do it like a sad movie You: all religious people feel that You: even people in cults Stranger: Yes? Stranger: Becuase of all our Gods. You: that worship completely different things You: they have those experiences as well Stranger: I didn't say every other religion is wrong, did I? You: no. Stranger: No I didn't. Never did I say that. You: but You: what about You: people who believe in multiple gods You: they feel those sensations as well

Stranger: What about them? Stranger: Yeah.. and? Stranger: It's their God doing it to them... You: what connection is there between Shiva and the biblical god? You: or zeus You: or Ares You: or the rest of the greek gods You: their god? You: Isnt there only one? Stranger: you answered yourself previously. You: how so? Stranger: No one definitely for certain knows for sure. You: so Stranger: Hence why they are called 'beliefs' You: so You: You admit to not be certain of the truth of christanity? You: as you said You: its is only a belief You: with many others very different to it on earth. You: with people believing in those different ones Stranger: I say I am certain of it, as I know there is a God and He does things. You: as hard as you believe in yours. You: so if your certain in Christianity You: does that not mean that Hinduism, for example, is wrong? You: since it is very different.. Stranger: I'm going to commit my whole life to God, and when I die and I see He' s real it will be amazing and so worth it and I've won everything lost nothing. But non-believers have. You: wait wait wait Stranger: But, if i die and find out that He isn't real... Stranger: then

You: do not get upset Stranger: I've still not lost anything have I? You: yes you do Stranger: I'm not getting upset? Haha Stranger: I'm just stating You: sorry You: it seemed to me you were You: sorry Stranger: Oh, what do i lose? Stranger: No, no need to appologise :) You: well You: if he is not real Stranger: No answer me, what do I lose? You: and you believed in Christianity Stranger: Yeah... You: than you lost your life, devoting it to a lie You: and what about other religions? Stranger: Not really Stranger: because think about it You: do you not need to safe guard yourself in case those are true? Stranger: No because I believe that mine is. Stranger: But think about it Stranger: I'm not actually losing everything Stranger: because I'll always have great friends Stranger: always feel safe and never worried Stranger: never be lonely Stranger: have a focus and aim in my life Stranger: try and lead a good life Stranger: not lost anything... You: but

You: imagine for a moment You: that god does not exist You: and youve spent your entire life You: worshipping him Stranger: right.. You: living for him You: spending your time on all of this You: denying yourself of different things You: cause of your beliefs You: feeling guilty for certain things you would not feel guilt for otherwise Stranger: What things am I denying myself of? You: well premarital sex You: for example.. Stranger: Well, I've had that but.. You: but you shouldn't have Stranger: Right. You: do u feel guilty for it? Stranger: But that's good. You: surely you do.. Stranger: Because lust isn't good. You: you think that cause of your religion Stranger: No. Stranger: I don't maintain any regrets I have You: if you were not religeous You: you would not necessarily think that You: You do not regret your sins? Stranger: I did for a while Stranger: But now I don't You: but surely you must.. Stranger: I'm free.

Stranger: I don't have to live my life regretting things. You: what I'm saying is that religious beliefs bind you to certain things and de ny you others Stranger: Becuase jesus died for me for that, you see? Stranger: God doesn't hold things against us Stranger: so why should I hold things against me? You: of course he does You: he sends people to hell does he not? Stranger: How so? Stranger: Give examples/ You: for not believing in him Stranger: Yes because they do not repent, o Stranger: There are unforgivable sins You: like what? You: unforgivable? You: surely god can forgive all Stranger: Like rebuking the spirit Stranger: No not if you do that ^ Stranger: :) You: i wanna go back to what u said earlier You: about the point You: where one believes in a religion and if he is wrong he did not lose anythin g You: and if he is right than he wins as well You: but You: what about other religions You: if they are right You: should one You: not safe guard himself? You: and also You: follow those..

Stranger: that doesn't make sense Stranger: 'if one is right shouldn't he safe guard himself' Stranger: what? You: that in case those i mean Stranger: Well, I'm putting all of my faith into my God. You: there are so many religions You: should one not safe guard himself from all of them You: since only 1 can be true. You: what do u think god does in our world? Stranger: No Stranger: thats wrong! You: ? Stranger: it does say in the Bible Stranger: one can not love more than one God You: indeed Stranger: you can only be devoted to one Stranger: I'll quote it for you if you like? You: no You: i know You: I have studied the bible You: if you remember You: we went into discussion on this topic Stranger: We did? You: because you said that other religions might be true as well Stranger: Yeah, they might be. You: so You: if those might be You: than its possible Christianity isnt.. You: God says You: You shell not believe in any other god or idol..

You: meaning You: Im the only true god You: and this religion is the only one that is right You: both Judaism and Islam claim the same about their religion You: that its the only right one Stranger: it says the exact thing in the torah too You: yes Stranger: see where this is going already? haha You: well Stranger: all down to beliefs. You: exactly You: so how does one know which is true if any..? You: I have a different question. You: how does one know You: that the car is moved by its engine? You: what do you think? You: how can one know for sure You: that he is not only imagining it You: but that it is true You: that a car is moved by its engine Stranger: because it is.. haha Stranger: you can see that it is. Stranger: so you know Stranger: like i've seen the works of my God You: see how? Stranger: therefore I know. You: wait You: how do u see the engine move the car? You: you open the hood ? Stranger: you know that it does.

You: and examine the works? Stranger: yeah.. You: you see with your own eyes You: that the engine You: uses fuel You: and moves the wheels You: so you are certain You: its not just your imagination Stranger: well you don't actually see with your own eyes because most things are inside mechanics etc. Stranger: but yeah whatever. You: or that the fact the car moves cause of the engine is just made up You: you can SEE it happening Stranger: Haha my religion is not in my imagination. You: examine it You: understand how it all works Stranger: I see some things my God does with my own eyes. Stranger: Want examples? You: sure Stranger: This guy in my church was blind, but now can see. Stranger: The doctors could not explain it at all. You: hmm You: ok You: does that prove its gods work? Stranger: I thought healing was b*****it too don't worry haha. You: the fact they couldn't explain it i mean Stranger: My dad is in a wheel chair and can't walk Stranger: the other day I got loads of people to pray for him and then he got up for a while and could walk You: can we talk about what you wrote about the blind man? Stranger: it was only for a few minutes but...

Stranger: Yeah sure. You: You wrote You: he could not see Stranger: He couldn't You: and than he could You: but the doctors could not explain it You: right? Stranger: That's right yeah.. Stranger: They said there was no cure at all. Stranger: And he'd be blind the rest of his life You: I see. You: so he healed You: and the doctors could not explain it... You: my question is this You: does the fact they could not explain it prove that it was gods work? Stranger: ... Stranger: I believe so yes. Stranger: Because Stranger: it happened on the monday morning that he could see again Stranger: on the previous Sunday night at our evening worship, he re-committed h is life to Jesus again and got loads of prayer for his eyes. You: ok Stranger: http://morethanbrothers.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/theres-nothing-like-mon day-morning.html <might explain what happened a bit more You: could that not be a coincidence? Stranger: someone from my churchs blog about it by the way. Stranger: I don't think it could be no. You: why not? Stranger: As there was no cure for it at all? You: but again You: does the fact

Stranger: How would it have just cured itself? You: a doctor cannot explain a recovery prove it was god who did it? You: ah You: how indeed You: we do not know You: the doctors dont You: You dont You: i dont You: but does the fact we do not know mean it was gods work? You: for example You: lets say 500 years ago You: people would die of cancer Stranger: No, but as I said I believe it was God. You: the doctors could not explain it Stranger: right You: cause they had no idea what cancer is Stranger: yeah You: but it was not god that killed them or healed them You: it was cancer You: something we know You: now You: we know how cancer works You: and its causes You: what Im saying is You: that You: not knowing how something operates You: or works You: does not prove that there is no explanation You: it only proves You: we do not yet know it

You: or in that case Stranger: God doesn't kill people You: could not figure it out Stranger: God doesn't cause cancer ahahahaha Stranger: :P You: wait You: we are straying off point You: my point was Stranger: no we're not. Stranger: haha You: that he fact we cannot explain something or do not know how it happened doe s not mean it was gods work Stranger: But yeah, God doesn't cause cancer. You: i understand You: it was just an example to make my point clear Stranger: Your example didn't really make sense, I'm sorry. You: why not? Stranger: Because God doesn't cause cancer.. So them not knowing what cancer was doesn't prove that God isn't real. You: of course not Stranger: People dieing of cancer doesn't mean."oh yeah Gods not real then" Stranger: See? You: i never said that You: i only said Stranger: Read what you put Stranger: you basically did, You: that us not knowing the cause of something You: does not imply it was gods work Stranger: Ok I get the point yeah. You: not necessarily. Stranger: But, I mean things like that..

Stranger: Miracles you know? You: what are miracles? Stranger: It could well be a coincidence by your eyes Stranger: but I have full faith that it was my God who did that Stranger: my God who healed that man You: how can you know for sure? You: maybe this time You: it was not god You: but something else You: some mechanism of the body Stranger: I don't know for sure and don't have full evidence, but I have faith t hat it was Him You: that we did not figure out could help him in that case Stranger: Maybe it was yeah. But God made out bodies so.. Stranger: Praise God still! :) Stranger: Such a blessing. You: ok You: so that man could have been cured You: not by god You: perhaps in that instance it was something else. You: before You: we talked about the car and its engine Stranger: Yeah maybe Stranger: it could have been something else You: and how one can see himself how it works You: and thus know You: not believe Stranger: but I still believe it was God. :) You: but know that the engine moves the car You: than you said You: that you can see

Stranger: yeah... You: gods work You: Yourrself Stranger: yeah... You: like we can see the engine in the car Stranger: I did say that. Stranger: Don't take it literally though haha. You: than we agreed that perhaps that man You: could have been cured by something else You: we cannot be sure You: if in this case You: it was gods work You: or not Stranger: So a car maybe powered by something else? Stranger: Which it is .. You: no Stranger: Think about this You: ok Stranger: with out the spark plug the car will not work You: we know how a car works down to the details Stranger: with out petrol/whatever the car will not work You: we built it Stranger: we need various other things to make it work You: understanding You: that a certain way in which we construct it Stranger: exactly the same with God Stranger: you need various things You: using the parts we designed You: will make the wheels go Stranger: for your relationship with Him

You: but Stranger: yeah... You: i understand You: but You: the point was You: that i gave you an example of how we know for sure You: not believe You: but know You: that the car You: moves You: cause of its engine Stranger: Yeah I got that... You: and fuel etc You: than you said You:Ican see gods work Stranger: I'm 'listening' per say... Stranger: yeah. Ok You: like you can see the engine moving the car Stranger: I did say that.. You: ok You: than u gave me an example Stranger: So....? Stranger: I did indeed You: of this blind man Stranger: Right You: but You: in this case You: you could not see what made him see You: not like I can see the engine moving the car You: i mean

You: not like all of us can see the engine moving the car You: You could not see god healing him You: You think he did You: but you cannot know he did You: You believe he did Stranger: I understand what you're saying yeah You: but you cannot know it Stranger: but i didn't mean it literally You: like we know the engine moves the car Stranger: like i could actually see Stranger: physically see Stranger: with my own eyes You: lets say You: you would have seen Stranger: like i was watching something occur inside of him You: an angel You: come and touch his eyes Stranger: i didn't mean it like that Stranger: I goodness I hope I never see an Angel haha You: and than he was able to see You: than perhaps it would be similar to us looking at the car and seeing the en gine move it You: ok You: but what im saying is You: that one cannot know god exists You: he can believe You: he does You: he can think he does You: but one cannot know he does You: not

You: like we know the car is moved by the engine You: or that we know the earth is round You: or that the sky is blue You: or that we breath air You: etc etc etc You: because You: if we allow ourselves You: to say Stranger: but you You: that we do not need to inspect and understand something to say it is true Stranger: yuo do not know that God isn't real Stranger: do you? You: than anyone can say anything is true and we would know know who is right You: no i do not You: i do not know if god is real or not You: exactly because of the reasons i mentioned above You: i cannot say he does not exist You: however You: the fact i cannot say he does not exist You: does not prove he does Stranger: Just making sure. Stranger: I didn't say that You: i know You: im saying it. You: based on the above You: one cannot say that a shaking or a peaceful feeling he feels while chanting prayer is gods work or that god is doing something or is in him You: one can think You: or believe in it Stranger: no one can state it as facts no. You: but one cannot know for sure

Stranger: Well done... You: there is nothing wrong with thinking so You: or believing in it Stranger: But I'm going to still say that I believe in Him because of that. You: but one must realise he cannot KNOW it Stranger: I realise that. Stranger: As does majority of Christians. Stranger: So was our conversation there a little pointless, or? Haha You: no You: why.. You: i enjoyed talking to you You: i still am You: another thing. You: lets say You: now You: a person rises You: and says You: he is the messenger of god You: how does one know You: if he truly is or not You: since we cannot test it in any way You: some might believe him Stranger: Oh right haha. Well I'm glad because I'm enjoying talking to you too : ) You: some might say You: he is truly the messenger of god Stranger: Because You: there have been many such people You: even in modern history Stranger: it stattes in the Bible what will happen when He comes back

You: all sorts of cults Stranger: So I guess we'd go by that, right? You: said their leader was sent to earth Stranger: I think it's in the lat chapter. You: and he communicates with god Stranger: Revelation. You: well You: those signs Stranger: It explains when the Son of God comes back to earth all of the things which will occur in the events You: can be interpreted in many ways You: some claimed You: they already happened You: and said the end of the world is coming You: many believed them You: but they were wrong Stranger: God tells us though, that we will know for sure... You: and were disproved when the moment they predicted came You: but it was not the end Stranger: It will be so obvious to people Stranger: apparently You: there was this old guy You: a few months or a year back You: he had a big following You: people thought they truly knew about what he was saying You: there was a big campaign by his followers You: it was in the us You: when the moment he predicted came You: and nothing happened.. You: well Stranger: Yeah well, guarenteed almost that they were what we call ' Sunday Chri

stians' You: many were very confused You: many of his followers Stranger: not actually committed to God in anyway You: well he was very devout Stranger: just go to Church every Sunday morning and think that it's enough You: and so were many of his followers You: surely You: not all of them You: but many were Stranger: I see You: many were so sure You: and were so religious You: and Christan Stranger: I didn't hear of this, sorry You: they gave all their money You: towards spreading this old mans word You: that this prediction is true You: hmm You: i wish i coudl remmebr his name You: it was in the news You: he is still alive and all Stranger: Hmm Stranger: of course You: anyway You: the point of this story is that one can say many things You: and be very very persuasive You: and one can read the bible and see things and claim them and sound so right and convincing You: that many will follow him. You: how does one know if one is truthful

Stranger: bit different than God though, don't you agree? Haha. You: without being able to validate his words like we validate the cars operation ? Stranger: That man didn't really make anything happe Stranger: n You: yes You: but he claimed something based on scripture You: and was convincing and smart enough to make others believe what he believed You: and You: when others might have told them Stranger: power hungry really. You: no, you are wrong You: and your leader is Stranger: I think anyway You: they might have thought to themselves You: that those people You: are not truly christian You: or are not devouted enough to understand how true this old man is. You: lets take a community religious leader You: or a priest You: or some other religious figure You: when he says something You: how do we know that what he says You: is truth You: we cannot check it like the cars operation You: we cannot KNOW You: If he is right You: with what he claims Stranger: common sense perhaps? haha You: common sense

Stranger: Indeed You: is problematic You: common sense would never tell us You: there is an invisible substance You: which we use and breath You: we cannot see it You: with our eyes or feel it Stranger: Slightly different to what you said though, isn't it? You: before we had the tools to check it Stranger: Not really both comparible situations. You: people did not KNOW air existed You: our senses Stranger: ^ You: were not enough to know air existed You: we had to use tools to measure it You: or see it with certain contraptions You: common sense would never tell us You: that such a substance as air exists Stranger: Yeah of course. You: we must explore the world You: examine it You: test it You: to figure that air does exist You: that such a substance is real Stranger: yeah so how is that the same as knowing what someone says is true? You: well You: you said Stranger: Totally un-comparible situiations You: that we can trust common sense You: to know if something one says truly is true

You: than i said Stranger: Using the example you said You: that thats not always the case Stranger: not in EVERYTHING Stranger: I never said it was You: of course You: im not saying you did You: i just said You: that sometimes "common sense" You: can trick us You: into believing things that are not true You: not only will it not support certain claims You: but will in fact You: support things that are untrue Stranger: i guess so yeah Stranger: it depedns what it is exactly Stranger: :) Stranger: I'm going to have to go in a minute You: ok Stranger: totally didn't realise the time! wow. Stranger: I know someone who isn't going to be awake on time tomorrow -_You: have You: Have you heard of jim jones? You: brb toilet.if u didnt u can read about him in the wiki here : http://en.wik ipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones\ You: oops You: correct link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones You: he was a leader of a cult You: he had about 900 followers You: the reason i mention him

You: is because when he gave his sermons You: and preached You: people listening to him You: his followers You: would feel the exact same things you described about the time you prayed You: not only that You: but they even saw illusions You: children would scream they are seeing things...angels daemons etc... Stranger: is that the one where they all killed themslesv? Stranger: *themselves? Stranger: sorry i'm so tired haha Stranger: I think he used brainwashing right? Stranger: That isn' the right ting to do at all. Stranger: He probably made the people have mental illness' You: there are many psychological terms to it You: the point is You: they felt these things You: that they made themselves feel You: cause of all that was going on around them Stranger: Wow Stranger: I've never really looked into them Stranger: they scare me a lot Stranger: yeah i get it You: they were led to believe so hard You: that they forced themselves to feel things Stranger: but the thing is with me Stranger: i always distanced myself from it Stranger: you know? Stranger: I don't trust people very easily at all Stranger: so i always just dismissed the fact that He loved me etc.

You: just like we do when we see a touching movie Stranger: so it kind of wasn't like that with me. Stranger: But I see where you are coming from totally. Stranger: Yeah. You: we cry Stranger: As i said though with me in particular... You: even thought we know there is no reason to You: i.e we manifest saddens and physical phenomena You: cause we are so emotionally moved You: it can be with all ranged of emotion Stranger: Well there is Stranger: we are stimulating part of the brain to make us do that Stranger: triggering it. You: and people around us Stranger: not really the same when we are doing it like thatthough. You: acting a certain way You: can persuade us of things You: and make us have physical manifestations of these believes. Stranger: I so wish i could explain it better You: you know You: there were experiments done You: they took several people You: all were in on the nature of the experiment except one. Stranger: yeah? You: who did not know what the experiment was about You: what happened was You: the lead researcher You: would show them lines You: of different lengths You: and ask them

You: which line is longest You: all who were in on it You: were told You: to claim You: one of the shorter lines You: was the longest You: and they observed You: as the one guy who did not know what the experiment was about You: eventually, after seeing all others answering wrong You: agreed with their wrongful claims You: just because he was passively pressured to. You: it was done many many times You: its is the power of the group You: to make others believe and feel things You: that they dont actually believe or feel You: and self persuasion of course. Stranger: That may be the case with some people in religion Stranger: but... I was going to Church for around 7months before I believed Stranger: so. You: but how do know it was not so in your case? You: like we know You: these things are so Strong over us we have no control of them You: they effect us and we don't even know it You: how do u know You: that it wasn't you and your surroundings You: that made you feel like you did? You: how can you be sure? You: that its not you You: who is making you feel what you felt You: just like Jim Jones people

You: or like Stranger: because of what i'd done at that time You: how we make ourselves cry when watching a movie that isn't actually real wh ile knowing it isn't but still crying Stranger: i went in there with, on that particular day, feeling really down. Stranger: and all of the sudden just feeling like that Stranger: i just can't explain it literally. Stranger: anyway I'm off now. Stranger: lovely to talk to you. Stranger: and meet you :) You: same You: gn