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For donations to desert, send them to Free America Radio Network, 121 Seaparc Circle, Suite B, Kingsland, Georgia 31548. Phone number: 912-882-2142. Cell: 304-629-7169. ************ {00:28:20} [Henry] US 516. The State cannot diminish rights of the people, Vertato v. California, 110

[Dave] Yeah, thats correct. They cannot convert theof a right into a crime and yet thats what they do by this presumption that you have to have a license to do something like charging money when youre not doing the charging money.

[Henry] The assertion of federal rights when plainly and reasonably made is not to be defeated under the name of local practice, Davis v. Wexler, 263 US 22, 24. And then theres Miranda v. Arizona. He did a nice job. Hes; Ive talked to him for years about what Ive been doing and, well, he didnt want to get involved in it mainly because I dont think he understood a lot at that time but now hesthat happened and then Ill tell you he Like I said, when he clocked this in, got the notary seal and all that they dropped it like a hot potato and I told him they would. Heres something here. Cops take an oath of honor to get their DPSST certification in which they swear to uphold the Constitution amongst other thingsthat is the supreme law of the land. But then theyre instructed to violate the citizens right to travel unfettered. They assume the role of corporate revenue agent by citing people with violations of the commercial traffic laws. There are ample case laws to support this maxim of law. Take, for instance, Kent v. Dulles 357 US 116. Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579, Chicago [?] v. California 110 US 516 and Miller v. US 230 F2nd 486, 489. I suggest that people study these and many more case histories concerning the right to travel. [Dave] Well, the big distinction is that they are constantly referring to statutes. By statutes they mean Code, Title, Section numbers. Those Code, Title and Section numbers are penalty clauses. They are contract penalty clauses so in order to attach a contract Code penalty clause they are presuming that theres a contract. So when you destroy the presumption that there was no intention on your part to enjoy a contract a contract or a benefit or a privilege or a license that destroys their presumption and they cannot attach contract penalty clause code, title and section numbers to you if theres no contract no penalty clauses can attach. [Henry] If theres anyone who would like a copy of this just contact Henry Miles, P.O. Box 273, Delmar, Delaware 19940. Send me a self-addressed stamped envelop and Ill send it out to you. You can just put in there, drivers license paperwork. [Dave] Moving on, the drivers license is not the only issue that Howard teaches how to avoid and also vehicle registrations. How to avoid that, if youre not using your private property automobile charging money then its not a vehicle and its not a vehicle subject to the motoring vehicle laws. The word, motoring, means to move. Its a Latin word. To motor is to move. It means to move at a cost, charge or a fee. If its not being used in the production of income its not motoring and youre not an operator or driver. All of these benefits and privileges come from contract and Howard teaches that the very basic definition of a contract is the offer, the acceptance of the offer at which point in time the offeror can no longer withdraw the offer and a contract arises by law by the acceptance. Thats why Howard teaches not to accept cases to return to sender because thats what the post office laws say and thats also what the other laws say, if something comes into your possession thats not yours youre supposed to return to the sender. And Howard recommends that when you do that you send a courtesy copy to the court clerk notifying them that it has been returned to sender [???] hopefully with the wording from the neutral response but thats not nearly as important as the fact that you send it back to the presenter or issuer and defeat the acceptance. If there is no acceptance there is no contract and the courts according to their constitutions, the courts are only authorized to adjudicate cases

and controversies and a case is another name for controversy. So in order for the court to have jurisdiction to adjudicate they have to have a controversy titled a controversy or a controversy titled a case and there has to be a contract over which a controversy exists in order for there to be a controversy. It has to be in writing because corporations like government do not have ears to hear with and corporations do not have eyes to read with. It has got to be in writing so that the employees of the corporations can deal with the papers. They cannot hear and they cannot speak. Corporations do not have voice boxes and they do not have ears. So anything to do with corporations being as they are fictions its got to be in writing and thats why you have to defeat this presumption that youre enjoying purposeful availment of any benefit, privilege, license, title of nobility or opportunity offered from government and thats why Howard teaches to send the offers back because you and I are mislead into thinking wrongly that these offers are valid because theyre not valid. These offers are not as represented or as they want us to wrongly believe they are not a meeting of the minds and these offers are not an agreement and if theyre not an agreement and theyre not a meeting of the minds why should we accept them? And so Howard teaches do not accept them, send them back either delivery confirmation or certified mail, one-way. Do not use the green return receipt postcard. Just send it back certified one-way, do not pay the extra money and thats your proof to the court clerk that it was returned to the sender and they cannot [Henry] Dave, youre wrong there. You dont want the court clerk to know you sent them back because if you do that thats acceptance. {00:38:03.648} . . . { 01:29:49.141} [caller] My question was that I can go about my private business in my automobile and without state decals and stickers because Im not using it for the money or a profit. [Dave] Theyre going to look at that VIN number on your windshield and say, well, your vehicle is registered. That number comes up on our computer that the manufacturers statement of origin is recorded in our states motor vehicle computer so youre enjoying a benefit of the State, the Motor Vehicle Department, holding your evidence of ownership, your document of title, your manufacturers statement of origin, in trust for you. The State is holding it in trust for you therefore you are subject to the States motor vehicle laws. [caller] I have to send the State Motor Vehicle a letter requesting payment or

[Dave] No, you dont request, you demand. Slaves request. Sovereigns dont request. They work for us. You got to come in there with a whole different mindset. Why should you request? These people are employees. They work for the people. Theyre supposed to work for the peoplethey dont, they work for the ACLU BAR, the American Communist Lawyers Union, British Accreditation Registry, instead of for the people. But theyre supposed to be working for the people, the presumption is. The way Howard teaches is you have to terminate the registration of that manufacturers statement of origin

with an Affidavit of Commercial Notice served upon the department where the manufacturers statement of origin was filed which is probably the states motor vehicle department and then ask themwell you dont asksend them a licensing offer, Howards offer to license government to use your private property on condition that they pay you an annual fee for the use or continued use of your private property automobile. And then when they fail to produce back to you your manufacturers statement of origin theyve been holding in trust serve them notice of termination of trust. Terminate them as a trustee. Appoint Howard Griswold as the trustee instead of the state motor vehicle department and instruct them to send any documentation to the new trustee which is Howard Griswold or somebody. Theyre going to have a hard time producing it. Get it out of their files to get it to Howard but you have every right to discharge them as a trustee and to appoint a new trustee. But as long as theyre holding your document of title, your manufacturers statement of origin in their custody or their possession in their files they claim they have an interest in your private property automobile regardless whether you are or are not using it at that moment in time in the production of income, motoring passengers or a third-party goods for hire. They are still going to claim an interest in that car because theyre holding the document in their files. So the first thing is to terminate that registration and the second is to serve a licensing offer that they pay you under the Fifth Amendment. Once you serve that licensing offer if they fail to return your property being the document, the Manufacturers Statement of Origin document, if they fail to return it thats evidence of their continued use and they owe you the fee thats stated in the original licensing offer. Then you can send them a bill, a statement of amount due, once they accepted that, once youve served that licensing offer on them and they continue to use it then you can send them the bill and then thirty days later you can send them the notice that they did not pay the bill and thirty more days after that you send them another notice that theyre in default and theyve failed to pay the bill after being given the first notice but they have a ten-day right to cure the default by returning the Manufacturers Statement of Origin or paying you the annual stated fee in the contract that theyve accepted by their continued use. Then you send themyou do to them the same thing that Internal Revenue Service has been doing to us for years. You make an assessment. Yours is based on a contract that theyve accepted because youve served it and theyve failed to return your document of title, your Manufacturers Statement of Origin and that constitutes acceptance. Then the Internal Revenue Service sends you a bill. If you dont pay it they send you a notice saying you didnt pay the bill. Thirty days later they send you a second notice, hey, you didnt pay the bill. Thirty more days laterthey send you a thirty day letter, a sixty day letter and a ninety day letter, you didnt pay the bill, then they sell your house because you didnt pay the bill. They dont bother with going to courtthey just do it. You can do it. Remember the story Howard told about that mathematics professor whoI dont know if it was Lowes or Home Depot or somebody owed him $750 and he sent them a bill, sent them a notice, sent them a second notice, sent them a third notice and they just ignored him and they ignored him and ignored him and he went to the sheriff and had a sheriffs sale. They just went down there and started to sell some of those garden tractors or something that was worth about twice the $750, fifteen, eighteen hundred dollar lawn tractors. The manager came running out and had a check in his hand to pay the guy. They didnt want the sheriff taking their tractor and selling it right there and taking it off their property. They had to do what they were supposed to do in the first place. They didnt bother going to court to do it.

He had the sheriff do it because he had proved to the sheriff that he had billed them. He had sent them the first thirty day notice, the second thirty day notice and the final ninety day notice that they failed to cure the default and they were now in final default. Thats the problem weve been having through the years with all of these different agencies is enforcement. Thats why this group is so successful, this grand juries group, because the enforcement is getting cut off by the lawyer-judge extortion monopoly. The grand juries are going to put an end to that private extortion system and get back to courts where law is practiced instead of this code, title numbers and section numbers being enforced just to collect money, make money for the lawyer clubget back to courts of law instead of courts of code. Well, we shall see as time unfolds. Things are changing now. In Utah there was a judge that told The Bank of America no more foreclosures in Utah because theyre not the holder-in-due-course as they presumed nobody would ask, nobody would challenge. Well, this one guy did challenge and the court, the judge agreed, he said, yeah, they dont have the standing, they failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted because theyre not the holder-in-due-course because they do not have the original wet ink signature document to prove that the loan was valid. So the guy did not have to get into whether they did or did not loan actual money or whether they loaned evidence of debt to IOU notes. He did not even get into that argument. He just said, they dont have the document in their possession. Theyre not the holder-in-due-course, therefore they have failed to state the claim upon which relief can be granted. And this judge in Utah evidently agreed with them. Now, I did hear a rumor that that case was getting appealed but theyre still going to have to prove somewhere down the line, if Bank of America wants to continue theyre going to have to prove that they have the wet ink signature document in their physical possession before they can proceed with these foreclosures. And its going to be too expensive for them to purchase back from the guys they sold these notes to. They have to buy back all the documents in order to have standing to go to court and theyre not going to want to do that. If they cant steal it they dont want it. [caller] Dave, what do you do if Motor Vehicles continues to send you mail and you relinquished your drivers license? [Dave] Well, the first thing I do is stop committing mail fraud by paying any attention to the mail that comes to a two-capital letter fiction zone or a five-numbered fiction numbered federal zone. I dont live in a zip zone and I dont live in a two-capital letter abbreviation and I dont live in a fiction, state of, corporation. If they cannot spell Delaware fully out in all-lower-case with no numbers its not for me. No, Howard, if you trash it youll go to jail on a presumption that they send it, you got it. Thats their presumption in law, if they mailed it you got it. The only way to prove you didnt commit acceptance is to send it back to them, certified mail or delivery confirmation, neutral, hopefully with the wording from the neutral response and a courtesy copy to the court clerk [???] that its been returned to the sender so they will know you did not commit acceptance and then the court clerk will know theres no contract for them to justify having you on the docket. [caller] This isnt from the court clerkits from Motor Vehicle Commission.

[Dave] [caller]

Is there no court case yet? No.

[Dave] Well, then, just return to the sender and keep those copies of those papers that you sent. You send their originals back to them including the envelope that their garbage came to you in. But just do not put your name on, do not add anything. Howard teaches do no add anything, otherwise its no longer neutral. [caller] So youre saying, open up the mail and then put it in another envelope and use the sender and return address as theirs and send it back to them? You cant just write a neutral response on the outside of the letter and send it back? [Dave] No. How you going to identify what the document inside is on that empty line where it says, documents appear to be blank. Theres a blank line for you to put the name of what it is youre returning. How you going to do that if you dont open the envelope to see what it is and make a photocopy of it for your files and send their original back to them and you keep the copy for your files? [caller] Well, they shouldnt be mailing me anything because the drivers license has been relinquished. [Dave] Well, then, we do not and cannot give or sell legal advice. You asked me what I would do and I told you and youre arguing with me. [caller] I ask you a question.

[Dave] Well, the answer if it were me I would make a photocopy and send the original papers and envelope that it came in back to them in brand fresh envelope with the senders, the Motor Vehicle Departments name and address both as the sender and the receiver on the envelope and Id send it back delivery confirmation or certified one way. I would not use the green postage return receipt card because if you do use that card, what goes on the back of that green postcard? [caller] My address.

[Dave] Your name and address and thats doing something thats beneficial to them and detrimental to somebody else and thats making appearance because you used the green card. So, Howard teaches do not use the green card. The definition of appearance is if you do anything thats beneficial to one party and detrimental to another party youre making appearance in the case as a party. A sure way to avoid making an appearance in it is to send it back so you do not make an acceptance to their offer which is what the documents inside is, their written offer to you. Theyre trying to trick you into the acceptance by keeping it and retaining it so thats why you have to send it back so you do not keep it and you got certified mail proof that it was returned to the sender {???}. If it aint neutral its beneficial to somebody and detrimental to somebody else and youre

making the very appearance that the whole point of sending it back is designed to avoid. The definition of a contract does not change. Its the offer, the acceptance of the offer, and the consideration of value which binds the parties to the newly arisen contract which arose by the acceptance. The offeror can no longer withdraw the offer once its accepted. Both parties are bound by the terms. Thats why Howard teaches do not accept. But the main trick is, especially if something comes to a fiction two capital letter fiction zone, the Bible says, come out from Babylon, well, all that fiction stuff, state of New Jersey or capital N, capital J or 1,2,3,4, 5, whatever numbers if youre a live natural creation of God you dont live in fiction two-capital letter or five-numbered zones or State of, corporations, State of New Jersey fiction, you dont live in fictions. So, if they cannot send whatever it is to New, spelled fully out in all lower case, Jersey with no numbers then why should you commit mail fraud by keeping or retaining papers and envelopes and documents that were obviously sent to a different location? It aint for you. If it aint to New Jersey in all lower case its not to the live natural creation of God. So why commit mail fraud? [caller] this letter? what is that neutral statement that you usually put, I inadvertently receive

[Dave] Its that wording that Henry read earlier. You can put in the upper-left-hand corner third party affidavit of mailing. These enclosed documents were inadvertently received and opened by mistake. These enclosed documents which appear to beand theres a blank linethats where you put the name of who it is thats being returned, they appear to be whata summons, a ticket, what is itare not understandable or acknowledgeable or recognizable under the penalty of false personationmust be returned. The enclosure herein contains the aforementioned and misdirected documents: as there is not enough information or knowledge disclosed to form a responsive answer said documents are being returned forthwith. And thats it, you do not sign it, you do not date it. Do not do anything because its no longer neutral and it would make appearance in the case as a party. If you do anything thats beneficial to anybody or detrimental to anybody [caller] Even though you have in the upper left hand corner third party affidavit because a third party affidavit [Dave] [caller] Of mailing. to know who you are.

[Dave] You have to make them think that you had your secretary, third party, your secretary put the documents into the envelope. See, these bastards have gotten on the stand under oath and lied through their teeth and said, oh yeah, we got an empty envelope, certified mail. Thats the kind of crookednow, you want to not do it that way, fine. We do not and cannot give or sell legal advice so dont do it. Experience has shown if you say third party affidavit of mailing they will think you had your postal clerk or secretary put the documents into the envelope for you and take the document filled envelope down to the post office for you and paid the clerk for you and put it in the mails for you and came back

and gave you a sworn affidavit that they did what you said and they did take it to the post office and its in the mail. Now, when they see that then they know better to get on the stand and lie and say that they got an empty envelope. It cuts them off at the pass. This is if you want to stay out of court. This return to sender with no exceptions equals no contract, thats to stay out of the court in the first place. If they drag you in anywaya lot of times they come to peoples doors and just grab them and take them. Dont say anything except, you have failed to provide me enough information or knowledge to form a responsive answer or to enter a plea. Then they cannot enter a plea for you because if the judge does it then he has to step down from the bench. He cannot be both the judge and your counsel to enter a plea on your behalf. He has to step down if he wants to enter a plea. He can enter a plea for himself but he cannot enter a plea for you. Anyway, before court when they drag you into these like hearings they have a pre-trial hearing or arraignment, whatever they call it, you have failed to provide me enough information or knowledge to form a responsive answer or to enter a plea, and say nothing else. When they ask you, whats your name, you have failed to provide me enough information or knowledge to form a responsive answer or enter a plea. What ever they say, whats your address, you have failed to provide me enough information or knowledge to form a responsive answer or to enter a plea. Since youre dealing with such crooked people and youre already in court then Howard teaches to have these six disclaimers and say nothing else no matter what they say or do in the court just say these six disclaimers: 1. All rights reserved 2. I do not consent to these proceedings. 3. I do not accept this offer 4. I do not now, I havent in the past and I will not in the future intend to accept or consent. 5. I do not recognize you 6. I demand that the prosecution produce its commercial indemnity bond on the record in the evidence file and the case has to stop because there is no evidence. 7. Say nothing else. Do not say your name, do not do anything, do not say anything else, just those six things. Thats Miranda v. Arizona, you have the right to not say anything. Well, enjoy it, shut up, keep your mouth closed. Now, there are reasons why Howard has these six disclaimers. If you dont say, all rights reserved youve waived your rights and you do not have the right to not consent or not accept. Youve failed to reserve the right to not accept or not consent so you have to say all rights reserved first. The second disclaimer, I do not consent to these proceedings, that comes right out of the Declaration of Independence. It says, right in there, that the government obtains its just powers with the consent of the governed. So if you do not consent then they cannot justly proceed with their just powers. Theyre not just if you dont consent so you have to say so. You do not consent to these proceedings. Number three, I do not consent this offer. That comes back to the basic definition of a contract. The offer, the acceptance of the offer at which point a contract arises in law at both parties. All parties are held to the terms because of the acceptance. So, you do not accept this offer. Number four covers past, present and future. It says, I do not, I did not, and will not intend to consent or accept, because all acceptance has to be based on intent. And since they never give us full

disclosure thats the reason its not a meeting of the minds and its not an agreement because there is no full disclosure so how can you possibly have formed an intent because they failed to give you enough information or knowledge to form a responsive answer or to form an intent so you have to say, I do not now, I did not in the past, and I will not in the future intend to consent or accept. Number five, I do not recognize you because the eye is a live natural flesh-and-blood people, male or female people, not a corporate fiction which is you. I do not recognize you. All of them are fictions and representatives of fictions. Theyre fictions, themselves, agents of fictions, and employees of fictions are fictions. So live cannot recognize fictions and fictions cannot recognize actual. Virtual cannot recognize actual and actual cannot recognize virtual. Pretend cannot recognize real. Real cannot recognize pretend. It can only deal with a like kind, a similar, like kind entity. Fictions can recognize and deal with fictions and live natural people can deal and recognize live natural people, not fictions. And number six is, I demand that the prosecutions commercial indemnity bond be produced on the record in the evidence file. They hate that. They dont want there to even to be an evidence file because if theres evidence in the file then the court has to adjudicate on the evidencethey have to weigh the evidence. That blind lady with the scales of justice is supposed to weigh the evidence. Whoever has the preponderance of evidence wins the case. So, the point is not to have anything in the evidence file so they can proceed and continue to proceed with their presumption in administrative administering the debt collection code which is penalty clauses to a contract. They presume theres a contract so they attach these penalty clauses called code, title and code section numbers. Theyre nothing but penalty clauses to a contract. If there is no contract none of those code, title and section numbers can attach. Anyway, the point is once you demand that the prosecutions commercial indemnity bond be produced. Thats part of your due process. Theyre taking you into their court to fleece you and hold you to their commercial code, title and section numbers and you have the right to demand that they prove they have the ability to make you whole and indemnify you for the damage that their actions are about to cause. So that commercial indemnity bond is your proof which youre entitled to have on the record before they proceed. When they lose its to prove they have the ability to pay for the damage that their injury to your rights is about to cause. And when you not only demand that its on the record but that it be in the evidence file they absolutely do not want that to happen so they will find some pretext. Thats the old story Howard tells about how the cop had the guy arrested and they got into court and the judge wanted to hear the case so he asked the cop, was the battery in the car, and the cop said, well, I didnt notice that because it was dark out and the guy had the hood up but I didnt notice if the battery was in there. So the judge said, youre evidently not as perceptive as police officer training is supposed to train you so case dismissed. Whether the battery was in the car had nothing to do with the case. But he invented an excuse and blamed the poor dumb cop failed to notice, didnt observe in the dark whether there was or was not a battery. He just invented an excuse to get himself off the hook and get rid of the case. Anyway, thats the reasons why Howard has these six disclaimers. Theyre not in there for willy-nilly no purpose. {01:57:17.635} . . . {02:17:03.488}

[Dave] The best thing to do is terminate these registrations not only of land deeds but of car manufacturers statement of origin or childrens birth certificates, your own birth certificate Terminate those benefits and privileges that weve unwittingly been tricked into all these years. Then serve that licensing offer, contract and if they do not return your property thats their acceptance. If they continue to use your private property after theyve been served that offer that is the acceptance. That justifies you sending them a bill, payment of amount due, based on the amounts that are listed in the little chart. And you can change those amounts. You dont have to use the amounts that Howard has in there. Because of inflation and devaluation of the money you might want to take more money than what Howard had on there for different things. Then again, you might think your car is devalued to the point where you dont think its worth what Howard put in there, he thought his car was worth, you might want to lower it. But you cant send them the bill till after youve served the contract licensing offer. And you cant really serve the contract licensing offer because youre still asking them for the benefit by that registration. That was your contract with them. So, terminate that first then youve got the right to serve that licensing offer on them. Then they have to either pay what its worth, what you say its worth or return your properties to you whether its your birth certificate or the childs birth certificate or the MSO for your car or the deed to your land, whatever. If you dont claim it back youve abandoned it. And what happens to abandoned property under the doctrine of escheat if nobody else claims it the title to abandoned property falls to the State. And if you dont believe that just go park an old abandoned car out by the side of the road. Theyll put a sticker on it and if somebody doesnt come move it in forty-eight hours the State will come tow it away and in thirty days if nobody claims it theyll sell it to the junk yard or theyll give it to the junk yard and the junk man will sell it because its been abandoned. The title fell to the State because it was abandoned. Failure to object timely is fatal. Failure to object to their presumptions that youve intentionally abandoned everything and everybody of value in your life is what theyve been basing their entire scam on was to claim back from that pit of presumption that weve abandoned everything and claimed back on the collateral section of the questionnaire blanks when you fill in those questionnaire blanks for Howards security agreement indemnity bond financing statement. {02:20:21.935}