reece ae) eee eer Seeds) eee eNt On Rec Coca #6 ENGLISH LANGUAGE & USAGE ————sees Qual é a pronincia correta da palavra "Isla"? Perguntel 8 anos, 11 meses ago Ativo ha7 meses Visto 6 vezes Algumas pessoas pronunciar o $ no Isl como Z , e outros pronuncié-lo como S . 43 Qual écorreto? prondncia perguntou 17 set'10 as 13:28 Eu nfo acho que essa questo seja tanto “ndo uma questo real” quanto é argumentativa, como ¢ evidente pelo tom Gidatico da propria resposta do questionador. Espero que o questionador tenha aprendido, pela resposta de @ RegDwight, que as prondincias que ele considera incorretas sao, de fato, consideradas corretas pelos principais Giciondrios ingleses. - 18 set 10 as 1:23 86 49m 824 96 O15 @Niao hi algo errado com o meu tom didatico? Tudo o que quero dizer é tentar explicar a diferenga de significado das duas palavras! Por qué? Porque sempre acreditei que alguém deveria pronunciar, ou pelo menos tentar pronunciar, qualquer lingua estrangeira como o seu povo faz; Eu ficaria feliz se um especialista em inglés como vocé me ajudasse a corrigir algo sobre o inglés. - 8 de setembro de '10 as 4:37 4 @Dia: esse 6 um excelente raciocfnio, agora vamos colocé-lo em prética! Ao falar em érabe, vamos pronunciar, ou pelo ‘menos tentar pronunciar, todas as palavras do jeito que os falantes nativos de arabe fazer. E quando falamos inglés, ‘vamos pronunciar, ou pelo menos tentar pronunciar, todas as palavras do jeito que os falantes nativos de inglés fazem. - 18 sot 10 as 5:37 @Dia: Em nenhum lugar dos meus eomentérios, eu sugeri sugerir como voce e seus amigos deveriam conversar um com © outro, Estou apenas dizendo que o Isl@ , o Sputnik , o Texas , o jardim de infancia , 0 karaté e muitos outros ndo sto palavras estranhas que as pessoas de lingua inglesa acrescentam a conversa do nada, misturando-as com palavras em ES CR Re Me Ue ee Rael) folie Re Manito te ad Doesnt)@Dia Vocé sugere que os falantes de inglés devem pronunciar a palavra polvo da maneira como dizem hoje na Grécia? (Ou que devemos pronunciar a palavra jasmim da maneira como dizem hoje no Ira? Devemos seguir o conselho dos italianos sobre como dizer a palavra miniatura ? A resposta a todas essas perguntas 6, obviamente, "nao", porque todas cssas palavras so agora palavras em inglés, com prontincias em inglés diferentes da linguagem de origem. A historia é a ‘mesma com o Islé.- nohat # 18 set '10 as 16:56 6 respostas 20 v Olhando para as outras respostas, gostaria de intervir. Seja qual for a prontincia correta em arabe, estamos falando de inglés aqui. 0 Merriam-Webster lista algumas variagoes: \ is-'lam, i2-,-'lam, "is-,, 'iz-, \ Também fornece duas gravagdes de dudio, uma para / 1s'la:m / e uma para / lem /. O Wikcionério diz : Prontncia * enPR: is-lam', IPA: /1s‘la:m /, SAMPA: / E "1A: m / + enPR: iz-lim', IPA: / 17'la:m /, SAMPA: / Iz."1A: m / + enPR: iz'lam, IPA: / ‘wlem /, SAMPA: / "Izl {m / Mais uma ver, com todo o respeito a outras linguas, nés apenas nao pronunciamos matador como pronunciado em espanhol, sputnik como é pronunciado em russo, ou jardim de infaincia como pronunciado em alemao. atendeu 17 set 10 as 17:51 RegDwight + 84,4k @31 ©284 @383 @Dia: [ am not teaching Muslims how to pronounce Islam, they know it very well. I am merely pointing out that there are other pronunciations that are very popular among native speakers of English and even listed in dictionaries. Which certainly may do on a site about "English language and usage”. I will also point out that there are countless English words that are not pronounced “correctly” in Arabie, Mandarin or Russian, but I don't think that itis preferable to tell those people that they've got it all "wrong". - RegDwigt ¢ S: 6 — @Shreevatsak: because it is infeasible. There are billions of people, thousands of languages, and innumerable words that have been, are being, or will be borrowed. Any mission to correct everybody on everything is doomed. In fact, even much smaller missions are doomed. Kansas is pronounced /k(2)n'zas/ in Russian, and Texas is pronounced /ti'xas/. Now let's try and convince those 150,000,000 people to pronounce things "correctly", No, wait, I have an even better idea: let's teach Americans how to pronounce "Texas" correctly. It's a Spanish word, after all. — RegDwight ¢ S 10 at 19:33 | @ShreevatsaR: I apologize for leaving that impression, that's certainly not what I meant. I would be lying if I pretended that I have never corrected anyone's pronunciation of any word in any language. I will also add that personally, I tend to pronounce Islam as /1s'la:m/, but only thanks to pure chance or inertia (that’s the way it's pronounced in both of my mother tongues). But my point still stands, and I still think that my answer had to be added to counterbalance the other ‘ones so far. There might be a politically correct pronunciation, but that isa different question altogether. — RegDwigt ¢ Sep 1710 at 20:38 8 Asaside note, sometimes Merriam-Webster notes (with a + sign) when a pronunciation is common but considered incorrect by a significant number of people, for example the ‘nucular’ pronunciation of "nuclear". None of the pronunciations of Islam, including those with a /z/ sound, are so marked, so at least the editors of the Merriam- ‘Webster dictionary do not find any of those pronunciations to be unacceptable. They do note that generally the first ‘and that is the one that the original questioner prefers too, —nohat @ Sep 131021 113 Or aes a e a "I Ee li Politica de Privacidade e CatWell, "Islam" (and consequently all words derived from it) is pronounced correctly with an $ not a Z. 7 _ And the importance of this distinction is that "Izlam" in Arabie means "getting dark", whereas "Islam" (with $) means "submission". answered Sep 17 10 at 16:58, Dia 29m 824 96 O15 3 Although there is the discussion elsewhere in the thread about Islam being an English word with all deviation in pronunciation that comes with it (and I agree with this), I do think your point is quite useful to be aware of: Many Muslims — even in English-speaking communities — might consider the [17] pronunciation to be an indicator of some level of ignorance about Islam (rightly or wrongly). So, itis probably good to be at least aware of this if you are having a conversation where the topic and audience makes this important. - Kosmonaut Sep 1910 at 14:52 @ Kosmonaut Glad that you've got my point this way. Thanks. ~ Dia Sep 20 ‘ion has If native English speaking Muslims (of whom there are many) favour ‘Isslam’, then this pronunei some authority. You are an authority on the pronunciation of your own religion, just as you are on the Q pronunciation of your own name. It would be interesting to know the Native English speaking Muslim pronunciation, cedited Sop 2210 at 14:51 answered Sep 2210 at 13:30 cindi 4,886 @6 ©29 @49 4. Being spoken by a muslim or non muslim doesnt change the english pronunciation of the word. (See accepted answer), Its just that muslims are invariably exposed to the Arabic pronunciation and they start using it more commonly. it doesnt change the english pronunciation. - Midhat Sep 2210 at 13:35 / 3 Inaddition to what @Midhat says, I would like to point out that there are quite a few different pronunciations of the word "Christianity" as well. Who's the authority on that one? The Pope? He's got a German accent... — RegDwight # 220 at 13:40 @Midhat: Don't forget that both the [s] and [z] pronunciations are considered valid English variants, and that even some native-English-speaking, non-Muslim Americans use the [8] pronunciation. So, saying the [s] version is stil English too. (By the same logic, though, I think we must consider [2] a valid variant, whether itis pronounced that way by English-speaking Muslims or not.) - Kosmonaut Sep 2210 at 14.21 The way native English speakers pronounce this word is changing. The proportion who say ‘Izzlum’ is going down and they tend to be older. I hear a lot more ‘Isslahm’ now. answered Dec 26 18 at 18:55, Baz G set Could you provide a source to illustrate your claim? This may also help add more useful detail like what dialects or countries you refer to as "native" speakers. - TaliesinMerlin Dec 27 '18 at 1:43, live in Canada, My source is my own experience of listening to people in North America and the British Isles. I presume others must have noticed this as well. ~ Baz G Dec 28 '18 at 3 eC CR Ue Bae folie Re Manito te ad Catemphasis was on the second syllable, to ‘Izlumist’, with emphasis on the third syllable. answered Jul 24°15 at 6:37 “gg” Davers67 rt ? Or do you mean that it's on the first syllable (Iz-)? — Sven Yargs Jul 2415 at ‘The new emphasis is on - ting, like "eeslahin", bul the point is never pronounce il wilh a Or aes Politica de Priv Dee cet Sent)